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« Reply #920 on: May 03, 2009, 11:16:32 PM »

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« Reply #921 on: May 03, 2009, 11:38:19 PM »

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I can't do what you do but maybe I can help.

I guess what I am trying to do is follow the tieken line from timothy's mother to see if the tiekens are connected to the lawless line before she married gary d lawless, or if they have families in common.  I'm not sure what I am doing LOL... I just trying to figure out who the heck this gary d lawless is and if his line comes out of washington, or if the tiekens use to live up there by them or what.  I'm just trying eveything I can think of to try to find this guy LOL

I know timothy, jeffrey and the other brother gary duane are all up in the tehema county area, they are in the butte county area and the shasta county are, along with the mother.  the grandmother, mother of marylin tieken dies in glenn county.  timothy was born in glenn county, so someone is there.  I remember seeing pauline beatrice(also beatrice pauline) tieken on some land deed or something up in shasta county.  so who is in glenn county .  if timothy was born there in 1964, and the grandmother dies there 22 Oct 1976, then there are 12 years that someone must still live there in glenn county.

pauline beatrice/beatrice pauline tieken, the maternal grandmother of timothy john lawless, was born in missouri 12 Mar 1907, she must be on the 1910, 1920, and 1930 census, we need to find those.  Her maiden name is FORMAN. and we need her marriage record.
marylin was born in Napa, married gary d lawless in napa, was divorced in napa, five years later she marries manuel gomes in solono county.  so where does gary d lawless, the father go?

do you have any ideas to brainstorm about this? LOL.  I am just running out of ideas.  Did he leave the country?  he is 35 when they marry, they divorce in a month so he is 35 when they divorce.  that's a little old to go to viet nam or be in the military, unless he already was in the military? does he change his name to short? is that why she is also married under short, had it changed on the marriage license? LOL

I really don't know what to think here or what to look for, your guess is as good as mine, just anything at all anyone can look for.  the mother and brothers are all up and down california from butte county to shasta county.  and all in between.  they are going to jail too, even the mother. for batter on gary d lawless, but don't know if it is the son or the lost gary, no birth dates on the records.  whoever it is he had a warrant for failing to register as a sex offender, and they said they thought he was in the alameda jail, but he still is not on the sex offender list whether he is the son OR the father, so did he move out of state?  so is he on the sex offender list in another state? that might be something to look for.
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« Reply #922 on: May 03, 2009, 11:44:43 PM »

okay I found the grand mother beatrice pauline tieken/nee lawless.  so maybe I can go from her downward to help find something

1910 United States Federal Census
about Beatrice P Forman
Name: Beatrice P Forman
Age in 1910: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1907
Birthplace: Missouri
Relation to Head-of-house: Daughter 
Father's Name: Joseph O
Father's Birth Place: Missouri 
Mother's Name: Maud E 
Mother's Birth Place: Missouri 
Home in 1910: East Salt River, Shelby, Missouri
Marital Status: Single 
Race: White
Gender: Female 
Neighbors: View others on page 
Household Members: Name Age
Joseph O Forman 39 
Maud E Forman 31 
Edward C Forman 12 
Eslia Forman 10 
Louis H Forman 8 
Wilbur P Forman 6 
Edgar R Forman 5 
Beatrice P Forman 3 
Samuel W Forman 1 
 
 
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« Reply #923 on: May 04, 2009, 12:14:38 AM »

ok the grandparents of marylin elizabeth tieken, mother of timothy john lawless, are
maud e ? and joseph O forman. they come from missouri and are in napa before 1930. their daughter beatrice pauline/pauline beatrice forman marries the carl d tieken, these are the parents of marylin tieken,and the grandparents of timothy, gary duane and jeffery carl lawless.  now they seem to be in napa for a very long time.  3 generations, then timothy is born in glenn county in 1964. so who is over there? is that where gary lawless is?  but then why would beatrice pauline tieken die over there if marylin divorced gary the father in 1968, when beatrice does not die until 1976.  hmmm did they all move to glenn county at some point? 

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« Reply #924 on: May 04, 2009, 12:31:28 AM »

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« Reply #925 on: May 04, 2009, 12:46:50 AM »

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ok, I'll stay up a little longer, I am on a roll over here with his mother's family, hopefully, gary wil pop up somewhere in here
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« Reply #926 on: May 04, 2009, 12:59:58 AM »

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ok, I'll stay up a little longer, I am on a roll over here with his mother's family, hopefully, gary wil pop up somewhere in here

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« Reply #927 on: May 04, 2009, 01:01:13 AM »

Hey DoubleD
Just thought of this....can't help thinking about things!

Can we find out Who or What owns the Clover church in Tracy???
Perhaps it might be of interest.  I'm looking but not coming up with much so I though I would mention it to ya.
Whatcha think?
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« Reply #928 on: May 04, 2009, 02:01:14 AM »

CLOVER ROAD BAPTIST CHURCH
Manteca, CA
Tracy, CA   

BROWNING, CYNTHIA
(REGISTERED AGENT)

LAWLESS, LANE
(PRESIDENT)

associated businesses:
NATIONAL ROOF CORP

let me see if I can find out who owns the actual building and the land

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« Reply #929 on: May 04, 2009, 02:16:36 AM »

cynthia browning is connie lawless' sister
Church member Cynthia Browning of Manteca, Connie’s Lawless’ sister, said the absence of Huckaby and her daughter, who is with family in Southern California, have been noticeable. The church prayed for her during the service.

so she is the registered agent of the church; that would be the contact person for the 501 c 3.  those records are all public.
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« Reply #930 on: May 04, 2009, 09:23:30 AM »

CLOVER ROAD BAPTIST CHURCH
Manteca, CA
Tracy, CA   

BROWNING, CYNTHIA
(REGISTERED AGENT)

LAWLESS, LANE
(PRESIDENT)

associated businesses:
NATIONAL ROOF CORP

let me see if I can find out who owns the actual building and the land


This taken from bios and church history etc.  Info in parenthesis added by me for clarification.

The Victory Missionary Baptist Church of Tracy was looking for assistance because of the failing health of Pastor Scott. Victory then approached Eld. (Lane) Lawless and Sovereign Grace (Missionary Baptist Church of Mountain View CA) to request he consider a pastorate in Tracy. 

The churches voted to merge. In 1981, the members of Victory joined Sovereign Grace, donating their property and assets to the Sovereign Grace Church. The name of the church was changed to Clover Road Baptist Church. Lane has pastored Clover Road Baptist Church of Tracy CA - since 1981.
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« Reply #931 on: May 04, 2009, 09:56:25 AM »

Ok this is weird.

I cant view the actual document, but their is a "charity license", although not a 501c3 for this church on Dec31, 1999, but it has an expiration date 5 months later, but says "active". Can anyone find the actual document?
They are not on pub 78 of the IRS.
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« Reply #932 on: May 04, 2009, 10:55:26 AM »

This morning someone contacted me and said it is being said here that gary the poet is the lost gary d lawless, father of timothy john lawless arrested in sacr amento calif, for the 10 sex counts.  I personally don't know of anyone saying that, have they?

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I don't think we have been able to connect this Gary the Poet to the Tracy Lawless Family Line.  Not that I have seen so far.  He currently lives is Maine with his partner Ruth and they own a book store together.  Shortly after college he traveled to California and connected with a Zen Buddhism master.  He was described on this thread as a "beat" - beatnik.

There was a listing for a Gary Lawless in California but they appear to be 2 different people.

Please correct me if I am wrong....
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Gary the Poet HAS NOT BEEN CONNECTED.  We have posted all the public information as he is misfortunate to have the same last name as the main players.  This was done to determine connection or lack of one.  We HAVE NOT connected him and no one has said he is connected - just that he has the same last name.

There are many names on here that also have not been connected.  As for his partner Ruth, that is his business partner not his life partner.
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« Reply #933 on: May 04, 2009, 11:04:56 AM »

Ya know it's time to take a wee break when information we've been gathering starts sneaking into our dreams. 

We've read where one of the Lawless families marries a Warner.  And then there's the Warner Alliance Church in Lewiston, Idaho.  And wondering if there's a connection there. 

That night I dreamt that the Lawless family, thru their Warner marriage, ended up owning my cable company, Time Warner.   

  



Richard Birdette Lawless
B 22 Mar 1910 Washington
D 26 May 1962 Brewster, WA

married

Bette Jane Grimes 31 Dec 1945, Pateros, WA

Child two Gerry Lawless married a Luanne Warner (parents were Dean Warner and Ms. Wainscott)

They had Four  children
Ein/Ian Lawless b bef 1982
Brynne  Cole Lawless B 14 Mar 1983, Wenatchee
Colt Lawless
Kai Aaron Richard Lawless b 14 jul 1984
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« Reply #934 on: May 04, 2009, 11:46:14 AM »

Can anyone find anything on this wonderful couple?  Where does Cinthia and son Joseph go after Francis dies in 1862?

Child 1 Francis Marion Lawless
Born, 16 April, 1830, in Patrick County, Va
Died 8 August, 1862

Married 11 February, 1857, in Patrick County, Virginia

Cinthia  (Zenia)  J. Keaton
B 1836
   Child 1 Joseph H Lawless
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« Reply #935 on: May 04, 2009, 12:12:34 PM »

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Good Mornin' MOnkeys!

DoubleD
Your post makes me wonder what year it was that Gary the Poet went on his journey to California...the whole beatnik thing - again...lol
We know Gary the Poet does a lot of international traveling!
Hmmmmm.
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« Reply #936 on: May 04, 2009, 12:18:26 PM »

CLOVER ROAD BAPTIST CHURCH
Manteca, CA
Tracy, CA   

BROWNING, CYNTHIA
(REGISTERED AGENT)

LAWLESS, LANE
(PRESIDENT)

associated businesses:
NATIONAL ROOF CORP

let me see if I can find out who owns the actual building and the land


This taken from bios and church history etc.  Info in parenthesis added by me for clarification.

The Victory Missionary Baptist Church of Tracy was looking for assistance because of the failing health of Pastor Scott. Victory then approached Eld. (Lane) Lawless and Sovereign Grace (Missionary Baptist Church of Mountain View CA) to request he consider a pastorate in Tracy. 

The churches voted to merge. In 1981, the members of Victory joined Sovereign Grace, donating their property and assets to the Sovereign Grace Church. The name of the church was changed to Clover Road Baptist Church. Lane has pastored Clover Road Baptist Church of Tracy CA - since 1981.

Thanks So much for this post Wyks!
I looked for this info but was coming up with zilch-o!
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« Reply #937 on: May 04, 2009, 12:23:37 PM »

Can anyone find anything on this wonderful couple?  Where does Cinthia and son Joseph go after Francis dies in 1862?

Child 1 Francis Marion Lawless
Born, 16 April, 1830, in Patrick County, Va
Died 8 August, 1862

Married 11 February, 1857, in Patrick County, Virginia

Cinthia  (Zenia)  J. Keaton
B 1836
   Child 1 Joseph H Lawless
   B 1860

Mornin' NorRose!
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« Reply #938 on: May 04, 2009, 12:59:04 PM »


good morning.  I am in cali, just so you know.  I am 3 hours behind a lot of you.  by the time I get up and eat and do whatever I have to do around the house, you guys have been on here for awhile.  so let me jump in here.

hmm on the victory baptist merging with sovereign grace. 

The Victory Missionary Baptist Church of Tracy was looking for assistance because of the failing health of Pastor Scott. Victory then approached Eld. (Lane) Lawless and Sovereign Grace (Missionary Baptist Church of Mountain View CA) to request he consider a pastorate in Tracy

The churches voted to merge. In 1981, the members of Victory joined Sovereign Grace, donating their property and assets to the Sovereign Grace Church. The name of the church was changed to Clover Road Baptist Church. Lane has pastored Clover Road Baptist Church of Tracy CA - since 1981.


so now they have how many members AFTER they MERGED LOL  how many did they have BEFORE they merged?  5? LOL  and how many of these people are related or married to relatives of CLL? or his family.  I wish we had the members list. 

so the baptist church transfered the property and assets to the sovereign grace.  and how many members were at sovereign grace at that time, so a baptist church just gives a few people all their assets and property?  and then the place never grows in 30 years.   

so are they even a 503c1?  I tried to do a quick look-up to see and could not find clover road baptist church.  so what are they under?  if they are a "charity" they should still be a 501c3.  so what name are they under? dang I wish I lived near tracy I would be camped inside their courthouse!

another thing, if they merged with sovereign grace before CCL went there, who had the place then, and where did their pastor go, did they just boot him, did they ever have one? did they have a lot of members at one time and after cll got there they all left? or what? 

my personal opinion is- there is something very hokie about this church and it might trace back to the other churches he has pastored also. 

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« Reply #939 on: May 04, 2009, 01:12:06 PM »

Can anyone find anything on this wonderful couple?  Where does Cinthia and son Joseph go after Francis dies in 1862?

Child 1 Francis Marion Lawless
Born, 16 April, 1830, in Patrick County, Va
Died 8 August, 1862

Married 11 February, 1857, in Patrick County, Virginia

Cinthia  (Zenia)  J. Keaton
B 1836
   Child 1 Joseph H Lawless
   B 1860



1860 United States Federal Census
about Francis M Lawless
Name: Francis M Lawless
Age in 1860: 30 
Birth Year: abt 1830 
Birthplace: Virginia 
Home in 1860: South District, Patrick, Virginia
Gender: Male 
Post Office: Ararat

this MIGHT be her, making a note of it, will check more
johenry could be joseph H, one yr off birth, so fits

1870 United States Federal Census
about Zina Lawless
Name: Zina Lawless
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1828 birthdate is way off
Age in 1870: 42 
Birthplace: Virginia 
Home in 1870: Mayo, Patrick, Virginia
Race: White 
Gender: Female 
Value of real estate: View Image
Post Office: Rock Spring 
Household Members: Name Age
Zina Lawless 42 
Susan H Lawless 22  lets see if father was on anything with this daughter
Johenry Lawless 11 
Geo F Lawless 9  if father died in 1862, george is only 1 year off in age, could be his
 

 
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