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« Reply #940 on: May 04, 2009, 01:17:32 PM »

I'm in Tracy....Let me know what you need, where I can find it and either I or one of my friends can get it.
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« Reply #941 on: May 04, 2009, 01:17:39 PM »

Another thing, if they merged with sovereign grace before CCL went there, who had the place then, and where did their pastor go, did they just boot him, did they ever have one? did they have a lot of members at one time and after cll got there they all left? or what? 

my personal opinion is- there is something very hokie about this church and it might trace back to the other churches he has pastored also. 

You took the words right outta my mind DD!!!
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« Reply #942 on: May 04, 2009, 01:19:18 PM »

here is zina above in 1860, but she is with thomas, but susan is the right age for the one above,
the right post office but the age is a generation off. hmm
but look at this mc nealy name. 

just making a note as this must tie in somewhere

1860 United States Federal Census
about Zina Lawless
Name: Zina Lawless
Age in 1860: 53 
Birth Year: abt 1807 
Birthplace: Virginia 
Home in 1860: South District, Patrick, Virginia
Gender: Female 
Post Office: Ararat
Value of real estate: View Image
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Lawless 64 
Zina Lawless 53 
Louisa Lawless 27 
Andrew J Lawless 25 
George W Lawless 21 
Thomas J Lawless 18 
Nealy A Mc Lawless 16 
Susannah H Lawless 13 
 
 
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« Reply #943 on: May 04, 2009, 01:23:59 PM »

Hi Tracy
Awww Man
I gotta go!
I'll be back though!

DD
*Tracy lives in Tracy ...check last page
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« Reply #944 on: May 04, 2009, 01:29:51 PM »

oh gee I know who this is, they are in my data base
but I have francis marion as the son of thomas and zina?
so who is the other zina born 1928 and yours is 1936?
did francis marion the son of zina, also marry a zina keaton? 

I have the docs on these, is this who you are looking for?


Thomas Lawless Birth: 1796
Virginia, United States 
Death: 1860

marriedZelphe Zina Zentha Keaton
Birth: 1809
Virginia, United States 
Death: 1860
 
children
Francis Marion Lawless this is the son of thomas and zina
1830 1862     
George W Lawless
1833 1905     
Andrew Jackson Lawless
1834 1864     
Louisa Lawless
1835 1900     
Thomas J Lawless
1840      
McNealy A Mack Lawless father of james H W lawless, father of george, father of CLL
1846 1908     
Susannah H Lawless
1847
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« Reply #945 on: May 04, 2009, 01:40:04 PM »

here is zina above in 1860, but she is with thomas, but susan is the right age for the one above,
the right post office but the age is a generation off. hmm
but look at this mc nealy name. 

just making a note as this must tie in somewhere

1860 United States Federal Census
about Zina Lawless
Name: Zina Lawless
Age in 1860: 53 
Birth Year: abt 1807 
Birthplace: Virginia 
Home in 1860: South District, Patrick, Virginia
Gender: Female 
Post Office: Ararat
Value of real estate: View Image
Household Members: Name Age
Thomas Lawless 64 
Zina Lawless 53 
Louisa Lawless 27 
Andrew J Lawless 25 
George W Lawless 21 
Thomas J Lawless 18 
Nealy A Mc Lawless 16 
Susannah H Lawless 13 
 
 


Yes, you are a generation off.  This is the father of the lawless and wife.  The rest are siblings.  I already have them all and will post info shortly.  I have two sick kids at home today and I am not far behind them.  Need to lay down.
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« Reply #946 on: May 04, 2009, 01:42:22 PM »

Thomas Byrd Lawless
b 1797 in Halifax Con, VA
D abt 1865

married

Zelphe Zina (Zentha) Keaton

Children

Child 1 Francis Marion Lawless
Born, 16 April, 1830, in Patrick County, Va
Died 8 August, 1862

Married 11 February, 1857, in Patrick County, Virginia

Cinthia  (Zenia)  J. Keaton
B 1836
   Child 1 Joseph H Lawless
   B 1860

Child 2 Andrew Jackson Lawless
Born, 16 April, 1830, in Patrick County, Va
Died May 16, 1864

Married 2 January, 1862, in Patrick County, Va.

Harriet E. McGhee

Child 3 George Washington Lawless
b May 1833 Patrick County Virginia
d Apr 1905., Patrick , Virginia

married 13 Aug 1863

Rosanna Washburn, B 1847 died in 1902 daughter of Thompson C. Washburn and Louisianna Stegall

Child 4 Louisa (Lucy) A Lawless
b.1835


Child 5 Thomas Jefferson Lawless
Born 15 August, 1840

Married 2 March, 1862 in Patrick County, Va.

Sally Ashby, daughter of James Ashby and Mary Carter

Child 6 McNealy (Mack) A Lawless
b. 16 Feb. 1846
died 12 oct. 1908

married in 1864

Sarah Ann Nicholas

Child 7 Susannah H. Lawless
b: Abt. 1847
d abt 1931




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« Reply #947 on: May 04, 2009, 01:44:39 PM »

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George Washington Lawless and Rosanna Washburn

Child 3 George Washington Lawless
b May 1833 Patrick County Virginia
d Apr 1905., Patrick , Virginia

married 13 Aug 1863

Rosanna Washburn, B 1847 died in 1902 daughter of Thompson C. Washburn and Louisianna Stegall

They lived and farmed in Patrick County, and raised nine children

Child 1 Thomas Edward Lawless
B 19 Dec 1865 Patrick, Virginia
D 24 Oct 1915 Henry, Virginia

Married

Sarah Elizabeth Helms B 1861 D 1939

Child 2 James Robert Creed  Lawless
B 9 Oct 1888
D 5 May 1951, Williamson, West Virginia
1900 census residence Reed Creek, Henry, Virginia

married

Virginia N E Winn
B abt 1890

Child 3 Jesse Peter Francis  Lawless
B Sep 91891 Franklin, VA
D 18 Mar 1953 Bluefield, West Virginia

Married 21 Oct 1914

Hattie Mae Dodson  father John J Dodson mother Roxie Jane Doss
B 9 Aug 1893
D Sep 1947

Child 4 Annie Sinia Martha Jane  Lawless
B Feb 1893

Child 5 Barbary Ruth Nannie Lou Lawless
B 25 May 1896 Franklin, Va
D 6 Oct 1931 Henry, VA

Married 12 Oct 1910

Alexander W Young
B abt 1890


Child 6 Mary Susan  Lawless
B 23 Feb 1898 Franklin Va
D 2 Nov 1981 Roanoke, VA

Married 1 Jan 1931 Henry, Va

Thomas Benjamin Brooks father Benjamin W Brooks mother Dematress Foster
B 26 Jan 1886 Franklin, Va
D Sept 1977 Wirtz, Franklin, VA

Child 7 Albert Dewey Lee  Lawless
B Apr 28 Apr 1900 Henry, VA
D 20 Feb 1974 Bluefield, West Virginia

Married

Bessie Myrtle Thomason
B 23 Apr 1901
D Jul 1977

Child 8 Sylvester Lawless
B 3 Nov 1902 Henry , Va
D 10 Aug 1953 McDowell , West Virginia





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« Reply #948 on: May 04, 2009, 01:49:22 PM »

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George William  Lawless and Sallie Jane Young

Child 1 George William Lawless
B 12 Jan 1885, Reed Creek, Henry, Virginia
D 22 Mar 1945, Henry , Virginia

Married

Sallie Jane Young B 1883    Parents Stephens B Young and Nancy J

   Child 1 Florence E Lawless B 1907

   Child 2 Onie M Lawless B 1909

Married

Mr Hardy

   Child 3 Annie O Lawless
   B 1910

   Married

   Mr. Craig 

   Child 4 William Letcher Lawless
   B 7 Mar 1912
   D 26 Nov 1991 Durham, NC
1920 census Ironside, Henry , Virginia

Married

Annie Maude Cassell

   Child 1 Ramona Lawless
   
   Married Paul Dean Nichols
B 1934
D 1995

   Child 5 Odesie Lawless
B 1915

Married

Mr. Fretwell

Child 6 Everett Divers Lawless
B 15 Nov 1921, Henry
D 28 June , 2001

Married

Dorothy Bea  ??

Child 1. KAREN LAWLESS,
Living in Danville 2001
b. Aft. 1940;

married Mr.  SELF..

Child 2. MARGARET.PEGGY  LAWLESS,
b. Aft. 1940;
living in Richmond 2001

married Mr.  OWENS; b. Abt. 1935, Richmond 2001.

Child 3 . MICHAEL LAWLESS,
b. Aft. 1940,
living in Martinsville 2001.

Child 4. KENNETH LAWLESS,
b. Aft. 1940,
living in  Winston - Salem 2001.

Child 5. BECKIE LAWLESS,
b. Aft. 1940;
d. Bef. 2001;

married Mr.  DUKE
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« Reply #949 on: May 04, 2009, 01:55:13 PM »

CLOVER ROAD BAPTIST CHURCH
Manteca, CA
Tracy, CA   

BROWNING, CYNTHIA
(REGISTERED AGENT)

LAWLESS, LANE
(PRESIDENT)

associated businesses:
NATIONAL ROOF CORP

let me see if I can find out who owns the actual building and the land


This taken from bios and church history etc.  Info in parenthesis added by me for clarification.

The Victory Missionary Baptist Church of Tracy was looking for assistance because of the failing health of Pastor Scott. Victory then approached Eld. (Lane) Lawless and Sovereign Grace (Missionary Baptist Church of Mountain View CA) to request he consider a pastorate in Tracy. 

The churches voted to merge. In 1981, the members of Victory joined Sovereign Grace, donating their property and assets to the Sovereign Grace Church. The name of the church was changed to Clover Road Baptist Church. Lane has pastored Clover Road Baptist Church of Tracy CA - since 1981.

Thanks So much for this post Wyks!
I looked for this info but was coming up with zilch-o!

You're welcome, Lonemonkey!  The only thing is, whatever we find on Lane's bio or the church history, etc. probably needs to be taken with a grain of salt, cuz he's given other info that seems to have been a bit.. exaggerated.   Monkey Devil!

Like the university or whatever it is that Lane attended.. no students there. 

Got his BA in a year.

Was ordained as a "pastor" before he finished his education in the seminary to become one. 

And etc.

The "sermons" and lessons and such that were on his website, were written by his FIL etc, none by him.  Yet on his myspace (was it?) there was a comment left by someone about how much they enjoyed his work.  (paraphrased).  I personally haven't seen ANY work that was actually *done* by Lane.   

I will drop over in a dead faint if we track down any of those previous "churches" and find more than family as members.  Would love to know what their definition is of 'missionary work'.   


IMO, some of the info Lane puts out there and in the way he says it, is meant to 'sound good', but comes up short in making sense.  That's just how I see it. 

 
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« Reply #950 on: May 04, 2009, 01:56:02 PM »

that is as far as I have gotten .  The ones we need to continue to research are:

MICHAEL LAWLESS,
b. Aft. 1940,
living in Martinsville 2001.

KENNETH LAWLESS,
b. Aft. 1940,
living in  Winston - Salem 2001.

James Robert Creed  Lawless
B 9 Oct 1888
D 5 May 1951, Williamson, West Virginia
1900 census residence Reed Creek, Henry, Virginia

married

Virginia N E Winn
B abt 1890

Jesse Peter Francis  Lawless
B Sep 91891 Franklin, VA
D 18 Mar 1953 Bluefield, West Virginia

Married 21 Oct 1914

Hattie Mae Dodson  father John J Dodson mother Roxie Jane Doss
B 9 Aug 1893
D Sep 1947

Also please note of interest - Albert Dewey Lee Lawless married Bessie Myrtle Thomason.  Very curious as there is the Thomason in Brewster who is the step dad ( the one who keeps trying to set the land speed record and has a son who was on the Apprentice lists himself as the "step dad" of a lawless) Could this be a tie back into the family or is it just a coincidence? 

Another anomaly is I have found a Lawless who married a Lawless.  Working on that one as well but not ready to post it yet.

Sorry to leave you, but I really am not feeling well.  Will try to get back on later.


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« Reply #951 on: May 04, 2009, 02:19:13 PM »

Another thing, if they merged with sovereign grace before CCL went there, who had the place then, and where did their pastor go, did they just boot him, did they ever have one? did they have a lot of members at one time and after cll got there they all left? or what? 

my personal opinion is- there is something very hokie about this church and it might trace back to the other churches he has pastored also. 

You took the words right outta my mind DD!!!

From what I understand, there was a pastor Scott at Victory MBC in Tracy, whose "health was failing", so he likely retired or passed on.  Lane was the "pastor" at Sovereign Grace MBC in Mountain View.  Sounds to me like he brought everyone (all 5 of them?    ) and everything with him to Tracy and took over Victory, merged the two 'churches', then renamed it Clover Baptist.   

It would be interesting to know what happened to the actual bldg and land (if that even existed) at what had been Sovereign Grace, and what that church and the Victory church had been like before Lane appeared on the scene.   

This is more info I got from the church's history or the bio:
"In 1974, the Landmark MBC of Salinas authorized mission work in Mountain View which resulted in the formation of the Sovereign Grace MBC. Eld. A.D. harris was their first pastor. "

AD Harris is Connie's uncle, AA Harris is her father.  Am betting that Lane was their 2nd pastor, then that church "merged" with Victory and became Clover Baptist. 

Are they in the habit of 'creating' a church when they want/need one?   
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« Reply #952 on: May 04, 2009, 02:33:23 PM »

I hope you do not have that horrible flu ugh. be careful with that.
\dont' worry about getting back on here, go to bed and rest
 1826
I'm finding another marriage to thomas the father of francis
thomas
marries
Polly spencer, oct 10 1814
she is born 1805
I will find a census and see what is going on with her and thomas. 

then I have marriage to zina keaton 0ct 10 1826 ( funny same day and month)
who their son francis marion marries cyntha keaton(same last name as his mother)

so what is going on here. do we have two previous marriages and francis marries a relative of his "step mother" zina keaton?  or is he marrying a cousin, daughter of his mother's sister?

do you have polly spencer anywhere?
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« Reply #953 on: May 04, 2009, 02:53:36 PM »

Good Afternoon Monkeys!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DoubleD
I see you a hard at work as always!! In answer to a question you posed earlier I found a post from Tracygirl and thought it was of interest but the names are not spelled exactly alike.  One thing we don't need is another wild goose chase but I found it intesting that Slater's were the ones who took Sandra Cantu bowling ??? 

quote from Doubledecker
"California Birth Index, 1905-1995
about Diana L Slator
Name: Diana L Slator didn't we have this with a lawless name?
Birth Date: 14 May 1961
Gender: Female 
Mother's Maiden Name: Tieken 
Birth County: Los Angeles "


Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3/27/09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #2 by Tracygirl
...  (?), has a disabled adult son. Slater and wife took Sandra bowling, played  ...
...  didn't have friends her own age. The Slater's live on Apricot St, space #43, just 

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« Reply #954 on: May 04, 2009, 02:57:09 PM »

I hope you do not have that horrible flu ugh. be careful with that.
\dont' worry about getting back on here, go to bed and rest
 1826
I'm finding another marriage to thomas the father of francis
thomas
marries
Polly spencer, oct 10 1814
she is born 1805
I will find a census and see what is going on with her and thomas. 

then I have marriage to zina keaton 0ct 10 1826 ( funny same day and month)
who their son francis marion marries cyntha keaton(same last name as his mother)

so what is going on here. do we have two previous marriages and francis marries a relative of his "step mother" zina keaton?  or is he marrying a cousin, daughter of his mother's sister?

do you have polly spencer anywhere?


Hope this answers your questions as you are now going back one more generation

Thomas Byrd Lawless
b 1797 in Halifax Con, VA
D abt 1865

married

Zelphe Zina (Zentha) Keaton

Children

Child 1 Francis Marion Lawless
Born, 16 April, 1830, in Patrick County, Va
Died 8 August, 1862

Married 11 February, 1857, in Patrick County, Virginia

Cinthia  (Zenia)  J. Keaton
B 1836
   Child 1 Joseph H Lawless
   B 1860


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« Reply #957 on: May 04, 2009, 03:15:00 PM »

Good Afternoon Monkeys!!!!!!!!!!!!!

DoubleD
I see you a hard at work as always!! In answer to a question you posed earlier I found a post from Tracygirl and thought it was of interest but the names are not spelled exactly alike.  One thing we don't need is another wild goose chase but I found it intesting that Slater's were the ones who took Sandra Cantu bowling ??? 

quote from Doubledecker
"California Birth Index, 1905-1995
about Diana L Slator
Name: Diana L Slator didn't we have this with a lawless name?
Birth Date: 14 May 1961
Gender: Female 
Mother's Maiden Name: Tieken 
Birth County: Los Angeles "


Re: Sandra Cantu, 8, missing 3/27/09 - Tracy, CA (Body Found) #2 by Tracygirl
...  (?), has a disabled adult son. Slater and wife took Sandra bowling, played  ...
...  didn't have friends her own age. The Slater's live on Apricot St, space #43, just 



yes I remembered the slayters in the park, but did not look at them.  Its always possible someone changes the spelling of their names and are related.  it is always possible someone filling out paperwork writes is messy and it is transcribed wrong. these are things we have to keep in mind.  I made a note of this also for later.  but I also think I remember a slator in the lawless line somewhere.  but I don't know where that is right now either LOL

a lot of times I will just make little notes when I might recognize something, then I can come back to it later when I have time... which is? hmmm? NEVER LOL...hopefully we can get this whole family found and hooked together how it goes with no links missing, then we can be sure if anyone connects or not.  I would hate to think there are several so/molesters/rapists tied to this family and they only have ONE in jail, or two.  and it might turn out when we get all the lines complete, that there are no ties.  the only way to really know is to get all the lines finished with no holes in them.  if these people would quit having 4 wives and 15 kids all with aliases, we might get through this. 
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« Reply #958 on: May 04, 2009, 03:16:39 PM »

I'm in Tracy....Let me know what you need, where I can find it and either I or one of my friends can get it.

oh cool, I will make a list of what needs to be looked up and tell you how to get it.  this will help a LOT.  I will get a list up sometime today. 
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« Reply #959 on: May 04, 2009, 03:22:06 PM »

O/T..Klaas.you have a email...Thanx!
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