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« Reply #120 on: April 28, 2009, 12:50:50 PM »

ooops didn't post the record haha

here it is


ok this has different states listed for the births of parents etc and the child, but this is off of the census.  but is definitely the same family.

when you start getting back this far in genealogy it is common to have errors on the records, but this is showing the family living in Malaga, Chelan, Washington in 1910 census. 


1910 United States Federal Census
about John M Lawless
Name: John M Lawless
Age in 1910: 16
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1894
Birthplace: Nebraska
Relation to Head of House: Son 
Father's Name: James H W
Father's Birth Place: Indiana 
Mother's Name: Nancy H 
Mother's Birth Place: Kentucky 
Home in 1910: Malaga, Chelan, Washington
Marital Status: Single 
Race: White
Gender: Male 
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Household Members: Name Age
James H W Lawless 43 grandparents of CLL
Nancy H Lawless 45 

George W Lawless 17  father of clifford lane lawless
John M Lawless 16  john mack lawless, uncle of clifford lane lawless
William B Lawless 12  Uncle of CLL
Ralph D Lawless 8  Uncle of CCL
Agnes A Lawless 6  aunt of CLL
Bardette Lawless 1/12  uncle or aunt of CLL
 
 
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« Reply #121 on: April 28, 2009, 12:56:14 PM »

just heard this on the news

pastor clifford lane lawless and wife are in Sutter County or sutter CA waiting for this to die down, no intention of closing church

okay sutter county and sutter CA are two different places but close, I have to look them up but one might be in yuba county .  these are very close to butte county and not far from sacramento either. 

I don't have time to check out which lawless live there right now, but will look later, this might help us track which lawless they are related to over there. 

right now I am working on the gary d lawless in OK born july 1932, but wanted to post this note about what was just on the news.

Thanks.  I am putting together a family tree (see above) to figure out which branch belongs to whom.  I will look at this in a few minutes.


yes I just read your part of the tree... ok from where clifford starts with his father, I have all that on down and then I have 2 more generations back on cliffords mother's side, it is at the first part of this thread. 

now it is the father of clifford where most likely will branch off with the brothers of george w lawless, the father of clifford.  most likely it is one of the brothers of george w lawless where we will find gary d lawless coming down that line, MY Guess.

now that we have the brothers of george w, father of clifford and his brothers, we should be able to come right back down those brothers' lines and run into gary d lawless... IF, in fact he is part of this lawless family. 

We are on the same wave length.  I think it will catch up with one of George W's siblings branches and there are many as you can see.

I think also it will be the brother of george w lawless(father of clifford lane lawless)
it will be one of george's kids, an uncle of CLL, who will come down and run into Gary D lawless... I HOPE LOL...

heck james was not  in the household of nancy way back there on the census, so he might have left and remarried someone and started a whole new line of lawless.  LOL   lets hope not ugh. 

ok I will keep digging and we can piece this together.  we have to find gary d lawless, father of timothy john lawless somewhere in this mess.  LOL
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« Reply #122 on: April 28, 2009, 01:08:20 PM »

Name: John M Lawless
Birth Date: Nov 1958
Phone Number: Edit-No phone numbers please
Address: Pob 1614, Chelan, Washington 98816-0701 (1993)
[836 S Bridge St, Brewster, Washington 98812]
[318 E Trow, Chelan, Washington 98816] 


Pob 1614, Chelan, Washington
CHELAN, WA
BREWSTER, WA
MANSON, WA

Possible Relatives:

LAWLESS, JOHN M (Age 50)
 


Pob 1614, Chelan, Washington
CHELAN, WA
BREWSTER, WA
MANSON, WA

Possible Relatives:

LAWLESS, LISA G (Age 38) 


836 S Bridge St, Brewster, Washington
CHELAN, WA
BREWSTER, WA
MANSON, WA

Possible Relatives:

LAWLESS, JOHN M (Age 50)



836 S Bridge St, Brewster, Washington

 CHELAN, WA
BREWSTER, WA
MANSON, WA

Possible Relatives:

LAWLESS, LISA G (Age 38)



318 E Trow, Chelan, Washington

don't find lawless name here, but found a JOHNSON, and there are a lot of JOHNSONS in the other addresses above. there is a nancy johnson at this address age 89

if we need this later I will post all the names at these addresses, but for now just leave this with the John M Lawless.  He has to be one of the kids of someone.
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« Reply #123 on: April 28, 2009, 01:21:28 PM »


1910

Name: James H W Lawless
Age in 1910: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Birthplace: Indiana
Relation to Head of House: Head 
Father's Birth Place: United States of America 
Mother's Birth Place: United States of America 
Spouse's Name: Nancy H
Home in 1910: Malaga, Chelan, Washington
Marital Status: Married 
Race: White
Gender: Male 
Neighbors: View others on page 
Household Members: Name Age
James H W Lawless 43 
Nancy H Lawless 45 
George W Lawless 17  father of CLL
John M Lawless 16 
William B Lawless 12 
Ralph D Lawless 8 
Agnes A Lawless 6 
Bardette Lawless 1/12  this is richard bardette lawless
 
 so james is living with nancy on 1910 census, but depending on when they took the census this could be anytime within 10 years before 1910 that he was there.



1920

by 1920 census James, husband of Nancy is gone out of the house.
so he left sometime between 1910 and 1920.


Name: Richard D Lawless son of nancy and james, uncle of CLL
Home in 1920: Bodie, Okanogan, Washington
Age: 9 years 
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1911
Birthplace: Washington
Relation to Head of House: Son 
Father's Birth Place: Indiana 
Mother's Name: Nancy W
Mother's Birth Place: Illinois 
Marital Status: Single 
Race: White
Sex: Male
Image: 171 
Neighbors: View others on page 
Household Members: Name Age
Nancy W Lawless 54 
George W Lawless 27  father of CLL
William B Lawless 22 
Ralph D Lawless 18 
Agnes A Lawless 15 
Richard D Lawless 9  he goes to live with other family on 1930 census- see below
Mabel P Heley 28 
Georgie P Heley 8 

1930

everyone gone but Mabel P Haley 39

Name: Nancy H Lawless
Home in 1930: Brewster, Okanogan, Washington
Age: 65

Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865 
Birthplace: Kentucky 
Relation to Head of House: Head 
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace: View Image
Neighbors: View others on page 
Household Members: Name Age
Nancy H Lawless 65  
Mabel P Haley 39


richard now with other family
Name: Richard B Lawless this is richard bargette lawlessHome in 1930: Brewster, Okanogan, Washington
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1910 
Birthplace: Washington 
Relation to Head of House: Lodger 
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace: View Image
Neighbors: View others on page 
Household Members: Name Age
Clarence H Whitley 40 
Hilda G Whitley 35 
Ila O Whitley 15 
Edward C Whitley 13 
Bethell M Whitley 10 
Olive M Whitley 8 
Charles Roller 67 
Amandus Benson 65 
Richard B Lawless 20  living with another family now
 
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« Reply #124 on: April 28, 2009, 01:34:02 PM »

First sister Agnes.  Doubt highly it is this branch.

Agnes Ada Lawless
B 17 Mar 1904, Bernita or Chelan  , WA
D 10 Aug 1976, Soap Lake WA

married 8 Apr 1922 Okanogan, Washington

James Levi Turner
B 1889 Missouri
D 1973 washington

             Children:

           1. Ruth Kay Turner
           B 10 Jul 1922  Tenino Washington
           D 29 Aug 1998 Soap Lake, WA

Married 1 Jun 1949 Soap Lake, Gant County, Washington

Gilbert (Gib) Leroy Lester
B 8 Sep 1921, Iowa
D 26 Nov 1998 Soap Lake, Washington
Gilbert L. Lester
Gilbert L. Lester, 77, of Soap Lake, died Thursday, Nov. 26, 1998, in Wenatchee. He was a retired farmer and a longtime resident of Soap Lake. Survivors include two sons, Vern of Chelan and Bert of Wenatchee. Funeral services will be held at 10 a.m. Friday at Nicoles Funeral Home in Ephrata, Pastor Robert Deviney officiating. Burial will follow at the Odessa Cemetery. Arrangements are by Nicoles Funeral Home.
Children:

1. Vern Lee Lester of Chelan

2. Gilbert Leroy Lester of Wenatchee
   
2. James Lee Turner
B 22 Aug 1923 Tenino, Thurston County, Washington
D 11 Apr 1997, Soap Lake, Grant County, WA

3. Donald Dee Turner
B 17 Apr 1933 Grant Orchard, Washington
D 16 Dec 1963  Republic, Washington
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« Reply #125 on: April 28, 2009, 01:37:26 PM »

By the way, not to complicate matters any further, but I ran an associated persons search for 6320 E 3rd Street in Tulsa, Oklahoma, and came up with a Gary, but his last name was spelled LOLLIS, not Lawless.  Is this another wrinkle?  Has anyone else seen that spelling?


Me thinks
There's TOO many alias'....I wonder how deep this will all go???
Feels and seems big, but it might just be me!

I will research thru the day...in and out.
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« Reply #126 on: April 28, 2009, 01:38:39 PM »

here is nancy H Lawless/nee Rowland married James H Lawless, father of george W Lawless, who is the father of CLL

Name: Nancy H. Rowland
Home in 1880: Glasgow Junction, Barren, Kentucky
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Birthplace: Kentucky
Relation to Head of Household: Daughter
Father's Name: George W.
Father's birthplace: Kentucky
Mother's Name: Martha E.
Mother's birthplace: Kentucky
Neighbors: View others on page 
Occupation: Helping Keep House
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Female
Cannot read/write:

Blind:

Deaf and dumb:

Otherwise disabled:

Idiotic or insane: View Image
Household Members: Name Age
George W. Rowland 54 
Martha E. Rowland 41 
Wm. Wade Rowland 20 
Jos. B. Rowland 19 
Lucy Rowland 17 
Nancy H. Rowland 15 
Minnie L. Rowland 12 
John C. Rowland 11 
James T. Rowland 9 
Judy T. Rowland 6 
Martha B. Rowland 4 
Genie P. Rowland 2 
Martin Sartain 26 
 


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« Reply #127 on: April 28, 2009, 01:48:36 PM »

DoubleDeck!!!
I enjoy your posts!  Great Info.
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« Reply #128 on: April 28, 2009, 01:51:14 PM »

Sister number 2 :

Mabel Pearl Lawless
B 14 Feb 1891 Tecumsehm Johnson, New Brunswick, Canada
D 26 Nov 1959 Okanogan, Brewster, WA

Married

Leland Haley


Children:
Georgia Pearl Haley
B 1911 WA
D 1969 Okanogan, Brewster, WA

1st Marriage

Barney Sachse

   Children:
   Male Sachse

2nd Marriage 20 Oct 1928 Brewster, WA

Harry McCartney


Children :

Harry McCartney
Female McCartney
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« Reply #129 on: April 28, 2009, 01:52:18 PM »

By the way, not to complicate matters any further, but I ran an associated persons search for 6320 E 3rd Street in Tulsa, Oklahoma, and came up with a Gary, but his last name was spelled LOLLIS, not Lawless.  Is this another wrinkle?  Has anyone else seen that spelling?


Me thinks
There's TOO many alias'....I wonder how deep this will all go???
Feels and seems big, but it might just be me!

I will research thru the day...in and out.


LOLLIS is coming up as an alternative spelling in my genealogy databases
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« Reply #130 on: April 28, 2009, 01:57:23 PM »

Sorry, if someone has already responded to this.  I had posted it amidst the change to the new thread.

I was curious if Timothy Lawless had any children of his own.  If indeed, a son, is he also a pastor??? 

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« Reply #131 on: April 28, 2009, 01:58:39 PM »


1910

Name: James H W Lawless
Age in 1910: 43
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1867
Birthplace: Indiana
Relation to Head of House: Head 
Father's Birth Place: United States of America 
Mother's Birth Place: United States of America 
Spouse's Name: Nancy H
Home in 1910: Malaga, Chelan, Washington
Marital Status: Married 
Race: White
Gender: Male 
Neighbors: View others on page 
Household Members: Name Age
James H W Lawless 43 
Nancy H Lawless 45 
George W Lawless 17  father of CLL
John M Lawless 16 
William B Lawless 12 
Ralph D Lawless 8 
Agnes A Lawless 6 
Bardette Lawless 1/12  this is richard bardette lawless
 
 so james is living with nancy on 1910 census, but depending on when they took the census this could be anytime within 10 years before 1910 that he was there.



1920

by 1920 census James, husband of Nancy is gone out of the house.
so he left sometime between 1910 and 1920.


Name: Richard D Lawless son of nancy and james, uncle of CLL
Home in 1920: Bodie, Okanogan, Washington
Age: 9 years 
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1911
Birthplace: Washington
Relation to Head of House: Son 
Father's Birth Place: Indiana 
Mother's Name: Nancy W
Mother's Birth Place: Illinois 
Marital Status: Single 
Race: White
Sex: Male
Image: 171 
Neighbors: View others on page 
Household Members: Name Age
Nancy W Lawless 54 
George W Lawless 27  father of CLL
William B Lawless 22 
Ralph D Lawless 18 
Agnes A Lawless 15 
Richard D Lawless 9  he goes to live with other family on 1930 census- see below
Mabel P Heley 28 
Georgie P Heley 8 

1930

everyone gone but Mabel P Haley 39

Name: Nancy H Lawless
Home in 1930: Brewster, Okanogan, Washington
Age: 65

Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865 
Birthplace: Kentucky 
Relation to Head of House: Head 
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace: View Image
Neighbors: View others on page 
Household Members: Name Age
Nancy H Lawless 65  
Mabel P Haley 39


richard now with other family
Name: Richard B Lawless this is richard bargette lawlessHome in 1930: Brewster, Okanogan, Washington
Age: 20
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1910 
Birthplace: Washington 
Relation to Head of House: Lodger 
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace: View Image
Neighbors: View others on page 
Household Members: Name Age
Clarence H Whitley 40 
Hilda G Whitley 35 
Ila O Whitley 15 
Edward C Whitley 13 
Bethell M Whitley 10 
Olive M Whitley 8 
Charles Roller 67 
Amandus Benson 65 
Richard B Lawless 20  living with another family now
 


1920 Census - James and son John Mack are gone.  Did Dad James take son John with him?
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« Reply #132 on: April 28, 2009, 02:08:04 PM »

hmmm maybe he did, father james H lawless took John Mack with him


John make lawless ends up dying in los angeles california

the gary d lawless we are looking for was born about 1933. 
maybe we can find the obit to this john mack lawless and see if gary pops up as a son.  john mack would be about 31 when gary d is born.  gary's son's middle name is John(timothy john lawless)

let me go look more

Name: John M Lawless
Social Security #: ((edit - please do not post SS numbers) 
Sex: MALE 
Birth Date: 23 Nov 1894
Birthplace: Nebraska 
Death Date: 6 Feb 1965
Death Place: Los Angeles 
Mother's Maiden Name: Rowland 
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« Reply #133 on: April 28, 2009, 02:12:18 PM »

just heard this on the news

pastor clifford lane lawless and wife are in Sutter County or sutter CA waiting for this to die down, no intention of closing church

okay sutter county and sutter CA are two different places but close, I have to look them up but one might be in yuba county .  these are very close to butte county and not far from sacramento either. 

I don't have time to check out which lawless live there right now, but will look later, this might help us track which lawless they are related to over there. 

right now I am working on the gary d lawless in OK born july 1932, but wanted to post this note about what was just on the news.

Thanks.  I am putting together a family tree (see above) to figure out which branch belongs to whom.  I will look at this in a few minutes.


yes I just read your part of the tree... ok from where clifford starts with his father, I have all that on down and then I have 2 more generations back on cliffords mother's side, it is at the first part of this thread. 

now it is the father of clifford where most likely will branch off with the brothers of george w lawless, the father of clifford.  most likely it is one of the brothers of george w lawless where we will find gary d lawless coming down that line, MY Guess.

now that we have the brothers of george w, father of clifford and his brothers, we should be able to come right back down those brothers' lines and run into gary d lawless... IF, in fact he is part of this lawless family. 

We are on the same wave length.  I think it will catch up with one of George W's siblings branches and there are many as you can see.

I think also it will be the brother of george w lawless(father of clifford lane lawless)
it will be one of george's kids, an uncle of CLL, who will come down and run into Gary D lawless... I HOPE LOL...

heck james was not  in the household of nancy way back there on the census, so he might have left and remarried someone and started a whole new line of lawless.  LOL   lets hope not ugh. 

ok I will keep digging and we can piece this together.  we have to find gary d lawless, father of timothy john lawless somewhere in this mess.  LOL

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« Reply #134 on: April 28, 2009, 02:12:51 PM »

making a note of this, just ran into it

middle name is john, and is in NAPA, where gary d lawless and marylin tieken(parents of timothy john lawless) were married.  probably not anyone as he is born in cali in 1864 and all the other lawless seem to be in washington, but just sticking this here for later.

he did die in napa 10 years after gary d lawless is born
hmmm wonder if gary d lawless was born in Napa?  he got married there.
Name: William John Lawless
Social Security #: 0 
Sex: MALE 
Birth Date: 21 Jun 1864
Birthplace: California 
Death Date: 16 Sep 1943
Death Place: Napa 
Mother's Maiden Name: Lully 
FATHER'S SURNAME: Lawless 
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« Reply #135 on: April 28, 2009, 02:19:40 PM »

here is nancy H Lawless/nee Rowland married James H Lawless, father of george W Lawless, who is the father of CLL

Name: Nancy H. Rowland
Home in 1880: Glasgow Junction, Barren, Kentucky
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Birthplace: Kentucky
Relation to Head of Household: Daughter
Father's Name: George W.
Father's birthplace: Kentucky
Mother's Name: Martha E.
Mother's birthplace: Kentucky
Neighbors: View others on page 
Occupation: Helping Keep House
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Female
Cannot read/write:

Blind:

Deaf and dumb:

Otherwise disabled:

Idiotic or insane: View Image
Household Members: Name Age
George W. Rowland 54 
Martha E. Rowland 41 
Wm. Wade Rowland 20 
Jos. B. Rowland 19 
Lucy Rowland 17 
Nancy H. Rowland 15 
Minnie L. Rowland 12 
John C. Rowland 11 
James T. Rowland 9 
Judy T. Rowland 6 
Martha B. Rowland 4 
Genie P. Rowland 2 
Martin Sartain 26 
 




Lol, sorry could not resist, are you sure there was not a "check" next to idiot or insane?

Doubledecker, if you did not start out with that name, you would have earned it by post size alone Smile

Everyone on here pat yourself on the back, this thread was started yesterday, that's amazing. I dont want to bust the groove until your ready, and then I have 2 more names to throw at you to compare addresses to what you have already. I'm seeing a pattern potentially.

You guys are awesome monkeys 
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« Reply #136 on: April 28, 2009, 02:29:32 PM »

Afternoon all!

This is mind boggling and I'm not finding much.

I did find domain registration for Next Opportunity, Inc.  Do we already have this?  If not, which thread should I post it in.  It shows Tim Lawless and the Rancho Cordova address.  Also Godaddy.com
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« Reply #137 on: April 28, 2009, 02:44:05 PM »

here is nancy H Lawless/nee Rowland married James H Lawless, father of george W Lawless, who is the father of CLL

Name: Nancy H. Rowland
Home in 1880: Glasgow Junction, Barren, Kentucky
Age: 15
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1865
Birthplace: Kentucky
Relation to Head of Household: Daughter
Father's Name: George W.
Father's birthplace: Kentucky
Mother's Name: Martha E.
Mother's birthplace: Kentucky
Neighbors: View others on page 
Occupation: Helping Keep House
Marital Status: Single
Race: White
Gender: Female
Cannot read/write:

Blind:

Deaf and dumb:

Otherwise disabled:

Idiotic or insane: View Image
Household Members: Name Age
George W. Rowland 54 
Martha E. Rowland 41 
Wm. Wade Rowland 20 
Jos. B. Rowland 19 
Lucy Rowland 17 
Nancy H. Rowland 15 
Minnie L. Rowland 12 
John C. Rowland 11 
James T. Rowland 9 
Judy T. Rowland 6 
Martha B. Rowland 4 
Genie P. Rowland 2 
Martin Sartain 26 
 




Lol, sorry could not resist, are you sure there was not a "check" next to idiot or insane?

Doubledecker, if you did not start out with that name, you would have earned it by post size alone Smile

Everyone on here pat yourself on the back, this thread was started yesterday, that's amazing. I dont want to bust the groove until your ready, and then I have 2 more names to throw at you to compare addresses to what you have already. I'm seeing a pattern potentially.

You guys are awesome monkeys 
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Nancy Hanse Rowland/Lawless is the daughter of

George Washington Rowland
B 1826 , KY
D 1890 Glasgow, Barron, KY
(George W Rowland was the postmaster of Burkesvillem, KY which is 7 miles from Glasgow on the Fallen Timber Creek)
and

Martha Emaline Bailey
B. 2 Apr 1839, Glasgow, Barren, KY
D Glasgow, Barron KY

George Washington Rowland and Martha Emaline Bailey had the following children:

 Mary Susan ROWLAND b: 1858 in ,Barron,KY
 Alice Hall ROWLAND b: 1858 in ,Barron,KY
 William Wade ROWLAND b: 1859 in ,Barron,KY
 Joseph B. ROWLAND b: 1861 in ,Barron,KY
 LUCY Ann ROWLAND b: 6 Sep 1863 in ,Barron,KY
 Nancy Hanse ROWLAND b: 5 Jan 1865 in Glasgow,Barron,KY
 Minnie Lee ROWLAND b: 1868 in ,Barron,KY
 John C. ROWLAND b: May 1869 in ,Barron,KY
 Grant ROWLAND b: 2 Jan 1870 in ,Barron,KY
 James T. ROWLAND b: 1871 in ,Barron,KY
 Judah I. ROWLAND b: 29 Aug 1873 in ,Barron,KY
 Martha Bell ROWLAND b: 1876 in ,Barron,KY
 Genie Pearl ROWLAND b: 1878 in ,Barron,KY
 Clement H. ROWLAND b: 1880 in ,Barron,KY
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« Reply #138 on: April 28, 2009, 02:44:54 PM »

James H. Lawless left his family in Brewster, WA in 1918

he returns 20 years later in 1938
who knows where he was - prison?  remarried? (oh how nice, another family?)
He stays a few months, then leaves again

next heard about someone is requesting burial funds for him somewhere in Missouri in November of 1945

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« Reply #139 on: April 28, 2009, 02:45:43 PM »

Afternoon all!

This is mind boggling and I'm not finding much.

I did find domain registration for Next Opportunity, Inc.  Do we already have this?  If not, which thread should I post it in.  It shows Tim Lawless and the Rancho Cordova address.  Also Godaddy.com

I believe yes, upthread.
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