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« Reply #1100 on: May 05, 2009, 04:15:31 AM »


Thanks for this link, Klaas!  It's a good read.  Asylums were the forerunner of our mental health clinics and mental hospitals of today.  Before asylums came to be, when folks had someone in the family that seemed mentally unbalanced in some way, they typically shut that loved one away in the attic or such.  Having a place for these loved ones to go, instead of being shut away like that, was often a relief and the answer for many old-time families. 

Folks in an asylum who were simply depressed and lethargic etc, were often labelled "insane", the docs weren't too great on giving an appropriate diagnosis and treatment until much later.  They were lumped together with those who were truly insane, and this very likely made them even more depressed and lethargic, etc.  And yet, one has to wonder if it was still better for them than to be shut away in the attic for the rest of their lives. 

In genealogy, we run across long lists of folks living in "asylums", and sometimes there will be a reason next to their name, sometimes not.  Folks who had TB were also placed into "sanatariums", with 'consumption' listed next to their names.  Sometimes back then, if a family had a loved one in either of these places, they would not refer to that person again, as tho their loved one had died.  There was a huge stigma back then just as there is today among some folks. 

So while looking for family members, it might be good to remember this stuff, especially if we run across someone who family members say somewhere (like in a Bible or other place of reference), that so and so has died, but then we cannot find a death certificate.  That person was undoubtedly in an asylum or sanatarium. 
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« Reply #1101 on: May 05, 2009, 04:25:51 AM »

Forgot to mention that sometimes back in the day, if a husband didn't like his wife anymore, (or vice versa), he would have her committed to an asylum.  There really wasn't much she (or he) could do to prove they were not insane, once inside.  Kind of one way that some had to 'get rid' of their spouse, short of out and out killing em.   

Another old-time mental hospital in Northern CA was DeWitt.  I'm 55, and still shudder when I think of that place.  Folks would tiptoe past there, whisper and point, etc. 

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« Reply #1102 on: May 05, 2009, 04:41:05 AM »

This is what comes up in criminal searches.  I looked for him in Oregon DOC but he did not come up but I didn't put in all his aliases either.           Would take all night.         I don't know if he is the same one that is listed in our info that we are checking.  Anyways here it is maybe someone else can give it a go.

info on a Jeffrey Olson

Oregon Department of Corrections, OR (more info)
  Frank Raymond Tolliver Date of Birth:  03/14/1963
AKAs:  Raymond Hogan
          James Richard Hunter
          James Walter Hunter
          Jeffrey Raymond Olson
          Frank F Tollinger
          Frank A Tolliver
          Frank G Tolliver
          Frank R Tolliver
          Raymond Frank Tolliver

Height:  6'0"
Weight:  185 LBS
Hair Color:  BROWN
Eye Color:  GREEN
Race:  WHITE
Gender:  Male
O CRIMINAL OFFENSE 1 
Offense Date:   
Legend
Bv Behavioral
Bu Business
D Drug & Alcohol
S Sex Related
T Theft/Robbery
V Violent
O Traffic/Other
 
Case Number: CR3805/01
Offense Type: Traffic/Other
Offense Code: 
Offense Description: CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY B FELONY
Date Reported:   
Sentence Type: INMATE SENTENCE
Sentence Details: SENTENCE NUMBER: 001
 
T CRIMINAL OFFENSE 2 
Offense Date:   
Case Number: 3563/03
Offense Type: Theft/Robbery
Offense Code: 
Offense Description: ROBBERY I
Date Reported:   
 
S CRIMINAL OFFENSE 3 
Offense Date:   
Case Number: 85171/01
Offense Type: Rape
Offense Code: 
Offense Description: RAPE I
Date Reported:   
Sentence Type: INMATE SENTENCE
Sentence Details: SENTENCE NUMBER: 001
 
S CRIMINAL OFFENSE 4 
Offense Date:   
Case Number: 85171/02
Offense Type: Rape
Offense Code: 
Offense Description: RAPE II
Date Reported:   
 
O CRIMINAL OFFENSE 5 
Offense Date:   
Case Number: 3563/01
Offense Type: Traffic/Other
Offense Code: 
Offense Description: SEX ABUSE II
Date Reported:   
Sentence Type: INMATE SENTENCE
Sentence Details: SENTENCE NUMBER: 001
 
O CRIMINAL OFFENSE 6 
Offense Date:   
Case Number: 85171/04
Offense Type: Traffic/Other
Offense Code: 
Offense Description: SODOMY II
Date Reported:   
 
O CRIMINAL OFFENSE 7 
Offense Date:   
Case Number: 85171/03
Offense Type: Traffic/Other
Offense Code: 
Offense Description: SODOMY I
Date Reported:   
 
O CRIMINAL OFFENSE 8 
Offense Date:   
Case Number: 3563/02
Offense Type: Traffic/Other
Offense Code: 
Offense Description: SEX ABUSE II
Date Reported:

I wonder if he is out on probation.  It is weird that the Jeffrey Olson we find connected to Lawless Roofing gave and address at the trailor park but is not listed in the home. Possible he could have recently been staying there??????????   Many questions still unanswered - Back to searching.  
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« Reply #1103 on: May 05, 2009, 04:42:57 AM »

AFTER 1AM HERE, going to sleep, but I will look at your above posts tomorrow.  there are Ellis names with CCL's lines.  and hmm on the olson so.  I saw something else in there but too tired to really look at it til tomorrow. 

my face is crashing into the keyboard ugh.

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« Reply #1104 on: May 05, 2009, 05:26:36 AM »


Thanks for this link, Klaas!  It's a good read.  Asylums were the forerunner of our mental health clinics and mental hospitals of today.  Before asylums came to be, when folks had someone in the family that seemed mentally unbalanced in some way, they typically shut that loved one away in the attic or such.  Having a place for these loved ones to go, instead of being shut away like that, was often a relief and the answer for many old-time families. 

Folks in an asylum who were simply depressed and lethargic etc, were often labelled "insane", the docs weren't too great on giving an appropriate diagnosis and treatment until much later.  They were lumped together with those who were truly insane, and this very likely made them even more depressed and lethargic, etc.  And yet, one has to wonder if it was still better for them than to be shut away in the attic for the rest of their lives. 

In genealogy, we run across long lists of folks living in "asylums", and sometimes there will be a reason next to their name, sometimes not.  Folks who had TB were also placed into "sanatariums", with 'consumption' listed next to their names.  Sometimes back then, if a family had a loved one in either of these places, they would not refer to that person again, as tho their loved one had died.  There was a huge stigma back then just as there is today among some folks. 

So while looking for family members, it might be good to remember this stuff, especially if we run across someone who family members say somewhere (like in a Bible or other place of reference), that so and so has died, but then we cannot find a death certificate.  That person was undoubtedly in an asylum or sanatarium. 


That was an interesting article Klass.  I appreciate your insight Wyks.  It hadn't occurred to me that might be a reason why some people seemingly vanish.

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« Reply #1105 on: May 05, 2009, 08:14:15 AM »


Re: Jeffrey Olson addresses and phone numbers posted by Jess Star

27738 Seminole Way -<<<<< couldn't find this one I did find 27733 and numbers after but not this one

Comfort Inn Airport South
350 N Bayshore Blvd
San Mateo, CA 94401-1235
(650) 344-6376
Listing Details
Job title: unavailable
Company: Comfort Inn Airport South

Holiday Innwork
350 N Bayshore Blvd
San Mateo, CA 94401-1235

(650) 344-6347          <<<<None of theses numbers match the number lJeffrey Olson llisted
Listing Details
Job title: unavailable
Company: Holiday Inn

Comfort Innwork    <<<<This one wasn't on JessStar's list but comes up with Holiday Inn listing?????
216 Lorton Ave
Burlingame, CA 94010-4204
(650) 344-6347
Listing Details
Job title: unavailable
Company: Comfort Inn

Moses Liongitauwork
350 N Bayshore Blvd
San Mateo, CA 94401-1235
(650) 344-6376
Listing Details
Job title: Manager
Company: Meyer Crest Ltd

Garuti Patelwork
350 N Bayshore Blvd
San Mateo, CA 94401-1235
(650) 344-6376
Listing Details
Job title: Manager
Company: Comfort Inn

Shirke Rajendrawork
350 N Bayshore Blvd
San Mateo, CA 94401-1235
(650) 344-6376
Listing Details
Job title: unavailable
Company: Comfort Inn

This is the number listed to contact Jeffrey Olson
(650) 835-8024 is<< Unpublished (There wasn't an area code so I just tried this one have no idea on it)
Type: Land Line
Provider: 01 Communications
Location: South San Francisco, Ca

443 Poo
Newark, Ca
<<<<<<<<<<<<< Not found
29629 Desert Oak Ct
Hayward, Ca <<<<<<<<<<<<<< Not found

Sohail Nadeemhome <<<<<<<< who is this?
32074 Arya Ct             
Union City, CA
94587-4065
phone number unavailable

1001 CONTINENTALS WAY APT 304
BELMONT, CA 94002-3104 
<<<<<<<<<<<<Not found

PO Box 443
Newark, CA
<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<<nothing comes up for this either

More addresses connected with Lawless Roofing, Inc.
Yreka, CA
Phone (530)842-1633  <<<<<<<<<<<< Unpublished
Type: Land Line
Provider: Pacific Bell
Location: Yreka, CA


Medford, OR
Phone (541)-773-8061    <<<<< street address not avail. WTH??????? it has a map no info on phone number doesn't say unpublished ?????????

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« Reply #1106 on: May 05, 2009, 08:19:00 AM »

GOODMORNING MONKEYS!!!!!!!!!

HI NCSunny - i'm from NC tooo.  Hope you are liking it up here.
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« Reply #1107 on: May 05, 2009, 08:22:24 AM »

I just noticed the words "work" and  "home" at the end of the names in my above post.  Please disregard them they shouldn't be there.
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« Reply #1108 on: May 05, 2009, 08:30:17 AM »

anyone can do anything on ronald sutton lawless born abt 1939. 

I am trying to get this piece together some over here so I can sort it.

before I forget what I am doing LOL

Here's what I find.  Sorry if some info repeats--it comes out that way on the report because it hits from a number of different sources.


Name: LAWLESS, RONALD S
Address: 6951 N VISTA ST
SAN GABRIEL, CA 91775-1133
LOS ANGELES COUNTY
Phone: 797-0266
Date of Birth: 10/1939
 

Person Locator 1
This data is for informational purposes only.
 
Personal Information
Name: LAWLESS, RONALD S
Address: 3110 EWING AVE
ALTADENA, CA 91001
Reported Date: 08/2004
 
Prior Address
Address: 213 W 3RD ST
SAN DIMAS, CA 91773
Reported Date: 12/1999
 
Address: 1044 ROYAL OAKS DR UNIT D
MONROVIA, CA 91016
Reported Date: 12/1996
 
Personal Information
Name: LAWLESS, RON S
Address: 3110 EWING AVE
ALTADENA, CA
LOS ANGELES COUNTY

 
Name: LAWLESS, RON S
Address: 3110 EWING AVE
ALTADENA, CA
LOS ANGELES COUNTY


Personal Information
Name: LAWLESS, RON S
Address: 3110 EWING AVE
ALTADENA, CA 91001-4810
Phone: 626-797-0266


Personal Information
Name: LAWLESS, RON S
Address: 3110 EWING AVE
ALTADENA, CA 91001-4810
Phone: 626-797-8635
 
Name: LAWLESS, RON S
Address: 3110 EWING AVE
ALTADENA, CA 91001-4810
Phone: 626-797-0266
 
Name: LAWLESS, RON S
Address: 3110 EWING AVE
ALTADENA, CA 91001-4810
Phone: 626-797-8635
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« Reply #1109 on: May 05, 2009, 08:36:04 AM »

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Possible Relatives:

LAWLESS, GRACE M (Age 105)
LAWLESS, HAROLD MICHAEL (Age 68)
LAWLESS, MARLENE 


Wanted to point out Lawless, Grace M (105) - Could this be Jesse Grace Dicus as the age would be within 2 years??????



LAWLESS, GRACE M (Age 105) hmm is she the grandmother? of the ones below
 GRANTS PASS, OR

Possible Relatives:

LAWLESS, EVERETT THOMAS (Age 83) here is an even older one, probably father or harold
LAWLESS, HAROLD MICHAEL (Age 68)
LAWLESS, EVA T (Age 87) probably wife of everett
LAWLESS, LORI L (Age 38)
LAWLESS, MARLENE
LAWLESS, DONALD 

I guess it doesn't look like an roofing company. No work trucks or out buildings, not that made it look industrial. Also, across the street from the said building, there is what appears to be a couple of houses. Me and my husband say it looks like a compound. I cannot figure out what the small things are on the field, we wondered if it was tombstones but can't zoom in enough. Any opinions?

hmm will try to look again.  Maybe there is no real roofing company LOL, or just someone based the biz out of their house.  they might house the equipment somewhere else, or maybe there is no such real biz?  it sits right by I-5, major freeway. 

Morning all Monkeys.

 I lurk here, unable to help all you brilliant Monkeys due to time restrictions, but
find all this very interesting & since I don't have time to work with the names, I did a little mapping. There does appear to be some type of business there, I tried to pull it up on a Live 3d map, but it isn't working this am. Hope these help. I reduced them for the forum, but have the larger ones if anyone needs them.
Keep up the good work.
 find all this very interesting & since I don't have time to work with the names, I did a little mapping. There does appear to be some type of business there, I tried to pull it up on a Live 3d map, but it isn't working this am. Hope these help. I reduced them for the forum, but have the larger ones if anyone needs them.
Keep up the good work.

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« Reply #1110 on: May 05, 2009, 08:50:41 AM »

GOODMORNING MONKEYS!!!!!!!!!

HI NCSunny - i'm from NC tooo.  Hope you are liking it up here.


TY & good morning.

O/T Well, still remodelling my new house while living in a camper (ugh), exploring a new town & trying to keep up with all the threads here.
I miss SC, as it is hotter here, but the soil is wonderful...a lil sandy & no red clay. 

I try to help when I have time, which is sparse lately, but I lurk often.

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« Reply #1111 on: May 05, 2009, 08:51:02 AM »

Wow Your pictures are Great NC!!!!!!!  It sort of looks like maybe a theme park or something.  I see the little things Tracy was talking about that look like tombstones.  Very interesting.
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« Reply #1112 on: May 05, 2009, 08:54:40 AM »

BTW NC, what is the address for that location you printed.
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« Reply #1113 on: May 05, 2009, 08:56:28 AM »

Wow Your pictures are Great NC!!!!!!!  It sort of looks like maybe a theme park or something.  I see the little things Tracy was talking about that look like tombstones.  Very interesting.

The larger photos make it look like more or a cemetary on the left of the building, and farther down past the building it looks like there was excavating & dirt piles there, near the cul-de-sac... more like a construction/equipment co. than a Roofing Co. I didn't see any earth moving equipment though.

Not much, but just trying to help anyway i can.

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« Reply #1114 on: May 05, 2009, 08:57:06 AM »

BTW NC, what is the address for that location you printed.

Oh...it was - 501 Lawless Ln Grants Pass, OR 97526
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« Reply #1115 on: May 05, 2009, 08:59:23 AM »

I would really like to see that area on MSN Live 3d map, but like I said, my map isn't working this am, but we are having storms here this am, so I will try again later. W
 Would love to be able to angle the map to see the actual building front. 
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« Reply #1116 on: May 05, 2009, 10:10:15 AM »

Kidnap Survivor Severely Hurt In Vallejo Crash VALLEJO (CBS13) ―
May 1, 2009

She survived being kidnapped by a killer as an 8-year-old and helped in the search for little Sandra Cantu, now 16-year-old Midsi Sanchez is recovering from severe injuries in a hospital after a horrific accident overnight that also hurt three other women.

The now-16 year-old Sanchez was eight when she was abducted from her home in Vallejo by Curtis Dean Anderson. She escaped three days later.

Sanchez was one of four people hurt overnight in Vallejo when a truck they were traveling in lost control and flipped several times and ended up on an embankment. Midsi was a passenger in the truck and was ejected in the crash. She was taken by helicopter to John Muir Hospital in Walnut Creek. The Mercury News is reporting that Midsi is suffering from a broken neck and a punctured lung.

Two other passengers, both 20, were able to get out on their own and were taken to a hospital in Vallejo. The driver who is also 20 was trapped in the truck for 30 minutes before crews could get her out. Vallejo Police say it appears the driver of the truck was intoxicated.

Midsi survived her own kidnapping ordeal back in 2000 when she was kidnapped by Curtis Dean Anderson. 8-year-old Midsi was shackled to the front seat of Anderson’s car for two days and managed to escape by getting hold of the keys, flagging down a passing truck and diving through the open window.

Anderson was later convicted in Midsi’s kidnapping and also pleaded guilty to the 1999 kidnapping, molestation and murder of 7-year-old Xiana Fairchild.

Midsi helped post flyers in March after 8-year-old Sandra Cantu went missing in Tracy. Midsi had been eating at a fast-food restaurant in Tracy when she heard about Sandra and said she felt compelled to help.

http://ow.ly/4Hb3

I called the below asking if one could email a card or message to Midsi. The operator told me she was in neo intensive care and would not be able to accept any messages at the present time. She thought it would be a while before she was released to a private room - does not sound good.

John Muir Medical Center,
Walnut Creek Campus
1601 Ygnacio Valley Rd.
Walnut Creek, CA 94598
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Kidnap Survivor Severely Hurt In Vallejo Crash VALLEJO (CBS13) ―
May 1, 2009

She survived being kidnapped by a killer as an 8-year-old and helped in the search for little Sandra Cantu, now 16-year-old Midsi Sanchez is recovering from severe injuries in a hospital after a horrific accident overnight that also hurt three other women.

The now-16 year-old Sanchez was eight when she was abducted from her home in Vallejo by Curtis Dean Anderson. She escaped three days later.

Sanchez was one of four people hurt overnight in Vallejo when a truck they were traveling in lost control and flipped several times and ended up on an embankment. Midsi was a passenger in the truck and was ejected in the crash. She was taken by helicopter to John Muir Hospital in Walnut Creek. The Mercury News is reporting that Midsi is suffering from a broken neck and a punctured lung.

Two other passengers, both 20, were able to get out on their own and were taken to a hospital in Vallejo. The driver who is also 20 was trapped in the truck for 30 minutes before crews could get her out. Vallejo Police say it appears the driver of the truck was intoxicated.

Midsi survived her own kidnapping ordeal back in 2000 when she was kidnapped by Curtis Dean Anderson. 8-year-old Midsi was shackled to the front seat of Anderson’s car for two days and managed to escape by getting hold of the keys, flagging down a passing truck and diving through the open window.

Anderson was later convicted in Midsi’s kidnapping and also pleaded guilty to the 1999 kidnapping, molestation and murder of 7-year-old Xiana Fairchild.

Midsi helped post flyers in March after 8-year-old Sandra Cantu went missing in Tracy. Midsi had been eating at a fast-food restaurant in Tracy when she heard about Sandra and said she felt compelled to help.

http://ow.ly/4Hb3

I called the below asking if one could email a card or message to Midsi. The operator told me she was in neo intensive care and would not be able to accept any messages at the present time. She thought it would be a while before she was released to a private room - does not sound good.

John Muir Medical Center,
Walnut Creek Campus
1601 Ygnacio Valley Rd.
Walnut Creek, CA 94598
(925) 939-3000





I cannot even comment I am that stunned. A DUI?
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« Reply #1118 on: May 05, 2009, 11:00:51 AM »

This is what comes up in criminal searches.  I looked for him in Oregon DOC but he did not come up but I didn't put in all his aliases either.           Would take all night.         I don't know if he is the same one that is listed in our info that we are checking.  Anyways here it is maybe someone else can give it a go.

info on a Jeffrey Olson

Oregon Department of Corrections, OR (more info)
  Frank Raymond Tolliver Date of Birth:  03/14/1963
AKAs:  Raymond Hogan
          James Richard Hunter
          James Walter Hunter
          Jeffrey Raymond Olson
          Frank F Tollinger
          Frank A Tolliver
          Frank G Tolliver
          Frank R Tolliver
          Raymond Frank Tolliver

Height:  6'0"
Weight:  185 LBS
Hair Color:  BROWN
Eye Color:  GREEN
Race:  WHITE
Gender:  Male
O CRIMINAL OFFENSE 1 
Offense Date:   
Legend
Bv Behavioral
Bu Business
D Drug & Alcohol
S Sex Related
T Theft/Robbery
V Violent
O Traffic/Other
 
Case Number: CR3805/01
Offense Type: Traffic/Other
Offense Code: 
Offense Description: CRIMINAL CONSPIRACY B FELONY
Date Reported:   
Sentence Type: INMATE SENTENCE
Sentence Details: SENTENCE NUMBER: 001
 
T CRIMINAL OFFENSE 2 
Offense Date:   
Case Number: 3563/03
Offense Type: Theft/Robbery
Offense Code: 
Offense Description: ROBBERY I
Date Reported:   
 
S CRIMINAL OFFENSE 3 
Offense Date:   
Case Number: 85171/01
Offense Type: Rape
Offense Code: 
Offense Description: RAPE I
Date Reported:   
Sentence Type: INMATE SENTENCE
Sentence Details: SENTENCE NUMBER: 001
 
S CRIMINAL OFFENSE 4 
Offense Date:   
Case Number: 85171/02
Offense Type: Rape
Offense Code: 
Offense Description: RAPE II
Date Reported:   
 
O CRIMINAL OFFENSE 5 
Offense Date:   
Case Number: 3563/01
Offense Type: Traffic/Other
Offense Code: 
Offense Description: SEX ABUSE II
Date Reported:   
Sentence Type: INMATE SENTENCE
Sentence Details: SENTENCE NUMBER: 001
 
O CRIMINAL OFFENSE 6 
Offense Date:   
Case Number: 85171/04
Offense Type: Traffic/Other
Offense Code: 
Offense Description: SODOMY II
Date Reported:   
 
O CRIMINAL OFFENSE 7 
Offense Date:   
Case Number: 85171/03
Offense Type: Traffic/Other
Offense Code: 
Offense Description: SODOMY I
Date Reported:   
 
O CRIMINAL OFFENSE 8 
Offense Date:   
Case Number: 3563/02
Offense Type: Traffic/Other
Offense Code: 
Offense Description: SEX ABUSE II
Date Reported:

I wonder if he is out on probation.  It is weird that the Jeffrey Olson we find connected to Lawless Roofing gave and address at the trailor park but is not listed in the home. Possible he could have recently been staying there??????????   Many questions still unanswered - Back to searching.  

now was that the "national roofing" with CLL SIL for agent?   or is that lawless roofing out of redding? we probably should start saying NRoof or LRoof.  gee not only do these people have the same names etc, they have to go have the same bizes too ugh. 

whoever this guy is you dug up also uses HOGAN and we have a HOGAN in one of the houses somewhere.  whoever this guy is, he is a real mess for sure!

okay let me finish reading and then get my brain functioning(drinking my coffee, waking up) and then I will get back to ronald sutton lawless and family.  I know without a doubt this family connects somehow to gary d lawless, brother of timothy the 10 count sex person in sacramento.

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« Reply #1119 on: May 05, 2009, 11:13:05 AM »

let me clarify my last post, gary d lawless connects to ronald sutton lawless 100%, I don't know anything about the olson part yet.
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