Lively Case Discussion #540 11/1 - 11/5/2006

[San]

http://i7.tinypic.com/21b6wbq.jpg Ernesto Domestic Violence

Are there divorce records for Ernesto and Rebecca?  I'm curious about this Domestic Violence being another person.

Once you're married to the mob you don't get out so easily .

[Grande]

http://i7.tinypic.com/21b6wbq.jpg Ernesto Domestic Violence

Are there divorce records for Ernesto and Rebecca?  I'm curious about this Domestic Violence being another person.

Ernesto is an associate of Ariel's both Miami Beach club promoters.

[Grande]

Ariel has a myspace account as does Ernesto or did at some point recently.  Ariel later dropped the domestic violence charges.   They are both well known members of the Miami Beach Club scene.  Incidentally, Ernesto's boss was the owner of the infamous club 54 believe it or not.

[San]

I just realized that the two people we don't see since Natalee disappeared are Lorenzo and Ernesto.  They both dropped out of site.

[dkpen]

I just realized that the two people we don't see since Natalee disappeared are Lorenzo and Ernesto.  They both dropped out of site.

Was Ernesto in Aruba at the time of Natalee's disappearance?

I believe Lorenzo moved to Holland.

[klaasend]

Ernesto and Freddy's father:

ARAMBATZIS-RODRIGUEZ ALBERT

So, Sasha Rodriguez must be their sister.  Sasha's 16th birthday party.

[dkpen]

Ernesto and Freddy's father:

ARAMBATZIS-RODRIGUEZ ALBERT

So, Sasha Rodriguez must be their sister.  Sasha's 16th birthday party.

Yes, with that infamous family picture with Freddy and Ernesto and Sasha grouped with a few ladies and other family members, I presume.

[Grande]

I don't think Ernesto is linked to the physical crimes, however he may have knowledge of such.  With regards to Lorenzo, your guess is as good as mine, although I am under the impression he returned to the Netherlands with his mother Astrid.  

I did find a couple posts from Key West aka SandraK referring to Lorenzo.  The poster identified as Key West, alledgedly SandraK, stated "leave my Lorenzo alone" as well as another comment I am struggling to recall.

[klaasend]

I don't think Ernesto is linked to the physical crimes, however he may have knowledge of such.  With regards to Lorenzo, your guess is as good as mine, although I am under the impression he returned to the Netherlands with his mother Astrid.  

I did find a couple posts from Key West aka SandraK referring to Lorenzo.  The poster identified as Key West, alledgedly SandraK, stated "leave my Lorenzo alone" as well as another comment I am struggling to recall.

SandraK/Key West is FOS.  Do not believe a word she says!

[dkpen]

Klaasend...

by chance you can send me a picture of the template you made that reads "Hope for Natalee" in yellow? Only just the single picture, not the template, please?  I am going to print out a magnetic bumper sticker with it along with the label stickers and get the boycott package ready to send out to Amy's parents.

God bless~

[Grande]

I don't think Ernesto is linked to the physical crimes, however he may have knowledge of such.  With regards to Lorenzo, your guess is as good as mine, although I am under the impression he returned to the Netherlands with his mother Astrid.  

I did find a couple posts from Key West aka SandraK referring to Lorenzo.  The poster identified as Key West, alledgedly SandraK, stated "leave my Lorenzo alone" as well as another comment I am struggling to recall.

he has a "Disco".. in his basement... He's Stuck in the 70"s ..and had a few friends over.
The "House of Rave".. is the Name of a comic Book>>

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/raveironfist.htm#maze

Posted by: Key West | Oct 23, 2005 3:10:49 PM


Is it Possible Joran and Natalee went there?
Or no?

Posted by: edward | Oct 23, 2005 3:15:22 PM

No,They have never met. And the 3 others stated no one had come into the home.

Posted by: Key West | Oct 23, 2005 3:17:32 PM

[San]

I don't think Ernesto is linked to the physical crimes, however he may have knowledge of such.  With regards to Lorenzo, your guess is as good as mine, although I am under the impression he returned to the Netherlands with his mother Astrid.  

I did find a couple posts from Key West aka SandraK referring to Lorenzo.  The poster identified as Key West, alledgedly SandraK, stated "leave my Lorenzo alone" as well as another comment I am struggling to recall.

Did Ernesto have any links to Chris Paciello.  They seem to have been in the same business.

http://www.villagevoice.com/news/0002,owen,11722,1.html

[dkpen]

I don't think Ernesto is linked to the physical crimes, however he may have knowledge of such.  With regards to Lorenzo, your guess is as good as mine, although I am under the impression he returned to the Netherlands with his mother Astrid.  

I did find a couple posts from Key West aka SandraK referring to Lorenzo.  The poster identified as Key West, alledgedly SandraK, stated "leave my Lorenzo alone" as well as another comment I am struggling to recall.

SandraK/Key West is FOS.  Do not believe a word she says!

LOL  sorry but I got the biggest laugh out of that one.  

[dkpen]

I don't think Ernesto is linked to the physical crimes, however he may have knowledge of such.  With regards to Lorenzo, your guess is as good as mine, although I am under the impression he returned to the Netherlands with his mother Astrid.  

I did find a couple posts from Key West aka SandraK referring to Lorenzo.  The poster identified as Key West, alledgedly SandraK, stated "leave my Lorenzo alone" as well as another comment I am struggling to recall.

he has a "Disco".. in his basement... He's Stuck in the 70"s ..and had a few friends over.
The "House of Rave".. is the Name of a comic Book>>

http://www.marvunapp.com/Appendix/raveironfist.htm#maze

Posted by: Key West | Oct 23, 2005 3:10:49 PM


Is it Possible Joran and Natalee went there?
Or no?

Posted by: edward | Oct 23, 2005 3:15:22 PM

No,They have never met. And the 3 others stated no one had come into the home.

Posted by: Key West | Oct 23, 2005 3:17:32 PM

Well I believe them as far as I can throw them, and we know how far that is.

[klaasend]

Klaasend...

by chance you can send me a picture of the template you made that reads "Hope for Natalee" in yellow? Only just the single picture, not the template, please?  I am going to print out a magnetic bumper sticker with it along with the label stickers and get the boycott package ready to send out to Amy's parents.

God bless~

Sure, give me a minute

[dkpen]

Klaasend...

by chance you can send me a picture of the template you made that reads "Hope for Natalee" in yellow? Only just the single picture, not the template, please?  I am going to print out a magnetic bumper sticker with it along with the label stickers and get the boycott package ready to send out to Amy's parents.

God bless~

Oops, correction. "Hope for Amy", not "Hope for Natalee".  I have the "Hope for Natalee" one.  Sorry for the confussion.

[dkpen]

Klaasend...

by chance you can send me a picture of the template you made that reads "Hope for Natalee" in yellow? Only just the single picture, not the template, please?  I am going to print out a magnetic bumper sticker with it along with the label stickers and get the boycott package ready to send out to Amy's parents.

God bless~

Sure, give me a minute

Thank you M'am!  

[Grande]

I don't think Ernesto is linked to the physical crimes, however he may have knowledge of such.  With regards to Lorenzo, your guess is as good as mine, although I am under the impression he returned to the Netherlands with his mother Astrid.  

I did find a couple posts from Key West aka SandraK referring to Lorenzo.  The poster identified as Key West, alledgedly SandraK, stated "leave my Lorenzo alone" as well as another comment I am struggling to recall.

SandraK/Key West is FOS.  Do not believe a word she says!

I agree, however as in the Shango posts, the content is not necessarily the key, the motivation for posting is what may lead to other discoveries.  That is why I think it is critical that we attempt to find out the true identity of the anti Holloway members.   The Shango posts were an attempt to portray Joran as a sacrificial lamb.  Clearly that is not the case.   Which suggests the content was the intellectual work of a Joran supporter.

[Grande]

I don't think Ernesto is linked to the physical crimes, however he may have knowledge of such.  With regards to Lorenzo, your guess is as good as mine, although I am under the impression he returned to the Netherlands with his mother Astrid.  

I did find a couple posts from Key West aka SandraK referring to Lorenzo.  The poster identified as Key West, alledgedly SandraK, stated "leave my Lorenzo alone" as well as another comment I am struggling to recall.

SandraK/Key West is FOS.  Do not believe a word she says!

I agree, however as in the Shango posts, the content is not necessarily the key, the motivation for posting is what may lead to other discoveries.  That is why I think it is critical that we attempt to find out the true identity of the anti Holloway members.   The Shango posts were an attempt to portray Joran as a sacrificial lamb.  Clearly that is not the case.   Which suggests the content was the intellectual work of a Joran supporter.

My point is that it would be a mistake to entirely discount posts from the Joran supporters.  The question is WHY post on behalf of Joran.  

Any developments by way of Kawish while I was out?

[dkpen]

Anyone have a recent picture of Kawish by chance?