Lively Case Discussion #540 11/1 - 11/5/2006

[friend of monkeys]

ty Grand 4 d link......wasn't there a pic tho??
Klass??  how are u??
tylergal sorry u had 2 have surgery....take it easy...

i just asked MJ to send me $$$ so i could go to aruba...

then..oh...they r paying people to visit now aren't they??

ROFLMAO    Good luck with that, lol  

right......maybe a happy meal??

Is it me or are there no people on the beach in Arubas new tourism ad?

Promoting it as a desolate island???   LOL

[klaasend]

Shizaru - what you posted is not a poster, just an article in the paper, IMO

[Kat_Gram]

ty Grand 4 d link......wasn't there a pic tho??
Klass??  how are u??
tylergal sorry u had 2 have surgery....take it easy...

i just asked MJ to send me $$$ so i could go to aruba...

then..oh...they r paying people to visit now aren't they??

ROFLMAO    Good luck with that, lol  

Yes, please go to Aruba. We will supply you with your instructions, if you
choose to accept the mission.    You can start to buy the equipment now.
         


I am glad that SF is having this done soon. There are some dangers of having it done UNsoon.. I wil be thinking of her.

[friend of monkeys]

or,  sorry for this......
she can party all night and catch a disco-nap if needed at one of the many, fine crackhouses available.

LOL...I didn't know how to spin a crackhouse into my post.  

WOW.   The Queen has lost her freakin mind...lol

[Shizaru]

Shizaru - what you posted is not a poster, just an article in the paper, IMO

Coudl be, but then what was Beth talking about when she said the wording was changed from missing to kidnapped?  It looks like the "missing" posters actually came after kidnapped.  Maybe she just remembered wrong.

[Kat_Gram]

Quote form LilPuma
I think it's hard to separate crime and politics in Aruba..
I though it was truth from fiction...

[friend of monkeys]

Shizaru - what you posted is not a poster, just an article in the paper, IMO

SHIZARU-----


  Great job on the time line

[Anna]

We'd done it twenty times before and nothing bad happened. . . .

You'd be surprised at how easy it was that night. . . . . .

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Nov 4, 6:51 AM EST

Pa. man accused of raping online dates

By MARYCLAIRE DALE
Associated Press Writer

   
PHILADELPHIA (AP) -- He was an online dater's dream: Tall, clean-cut, with a fashionable address and a taste for upscale bars and restaurants. He said he was a doctor, an astronaut, a spy - though he was really an on-and-off nursing student. With woman after woman, he would slip something in their drinks and then rape them, police say.

Jeffrey J. Marsalis, 33, of Philadelphia, is facing trial on nine rape counts involving eight women, while a 10th charge is pending in Sun Valley, Idaho. He met most of the victims here through a popular online dating site, authorities said.

In court this week during Marsalis' preliminary hearing, the women told strikingly similar stories of meeting the smooth-talking Marsalis between 2003 and 2005, then feeling unusually intoxicated after returning from the bathroom or letting him buy a round from the bar.

They said they woke up hours later, back at his apartment - groggy, sometimes undressed - after an apparent sexual encounter or even in the middle of intercourse.

"It was like waking up from surgery," one woman said. "My body was there, and I could see what was going on around me, but I couldn't move."

Marsalis' lawyer says the women simply regret being duped about his accomplishments and dumped after consensual sex.

"Some of this may be buyer's remorse," defense lawyer Kathleen E. Martin said Thursday.

None of the Philadelphia victims - most of them well-educated professionals - went to police or a hospital afterward, Martin pointed out. Instead, police sought the women out after they seized Marsalis' computer as part of an earlier case.

Marsalis was acquitted of three similar assaults at a trial in Philadelphia in January. Before he could leave the courtroom, however, he was handcuffed by police and accused of the new charges. A judge later denied bail.

One of the women who testified this week said Marsalis posed as a doctor. When he visited her at a hospital he had a stethoscope around his neck and checked her chart, she said.

"This guy is not shy. He's confident. He's plotting," said Capt. John Darby, head of the city's sex crimes unit. "He showed IDs to a lot of these women supporting the various roles, positions that he seemingly held. He really put on a hell of a show."

Prosecutors say it's difficult to prove the use of date-rape drugs, because they metabolize before victims are alert enough to get a drug screen. A jury could still find him guilty of rape if it decides the women were too impaired to consent to sex.

The woman in the Idaho case says she was raped in October 2005. She went to the hospital the next day. There is a gag order in the case, but Sun Valley police said in a news release that she experienced symptoms "consistent with having ingested a date-rape-type drug."

Marsalis met most of the women through Match.com. The company said Thursday that it cannot monitor what goes on once their clients move from online communication to the real world.

© 2006 The Associated Press. http://tinyurl.com/u8z4k

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Well-educated, professional women in this country did not go to the police and report this.  This is truly a very sad commentary on rape laws in our own country.  It is a lot to expect teenage girls to try to report this in a foreign country if these women could not do so in this one.  Note he won acquittal on three previous charges in January.  

Our laws are written heavily biased toward allowing the rapist to go free and need a complete overhaul with less emphasis on sparing the rapist and more concern for the victims.  Not likely to happen until more women are involved in the legislative process, unfortunately.  And of course, the female always gave consent or asked for it or is somehow to blame.  

Sure sounds like this guy may have done this twenty times before also.  It will be interesting to see if he is again acquitted and walks free.  Don't be surprised if that is exactly what happens due to the memory loss most victims of date rape drugs suffer.  Perhaps the solution is to punish for the possession of the substance regardless of use.  Say starting with about fifty years mandatory.



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[friend of monkeys]

Quote form LilPuma
I think it's hard to separate crime and politics in Aruba..
I though it was truth from fiction...

Kat--

Puma had a good post.
What would i need for equipment in aruba??
A bullshit back-hoe??

[friend of monkeys]

ANNA------TY FOR REMINDER!!!!!
NO NO NO NO NO
ON LINE DATING

[Ono]

GOODMORNING ALL!

Goodmorning Teacher!  

I wanted to let y'all know I just talked to the Dr and they will be doing emergency surgery on me this afternoon. I should be home tomorrow and will let you know when I do get home. I could use a couple extra prayers, ya know?  Thanks in advance.

GOOD LUCK SunFreak !!! Let us hear asap!!

Good Morning all ~

Grande: That is fantastic research you've done and provided....thank you so much!  Things are getting clearer and clearer...

[Kat_Gram]

Quote form LilPuma
I think it's hard to separate crime and politics in Aruba..
I though it was truth from fiction...

Kat--

Puma had a good post.  Yes, I know, just trying to be funny ! !
What would i need for equipment in aruba??
A bullshit back-hoe??

No, I was thinking of devices available in the SPY category in the Yellow pages.  

[klaasend]

Anna - thanks for posting that article.  Proves again how people aren't always what they seem to be.

[Anna]

Shizaru - what you posted is not a poster, just an article in the paper, IMO

Coudl be, but then what was Beth talking about when she said the wording was changed from missing to kidnapped?  It looks like the "missing" posters actually came after kidnapped.  Maybe she just remembered wrong.

Shizaru,
They put up "kidnapped" and van der Straaten made them take those down and change it to missing since no ransom demands had been made.  Besides, everybody knew she got into the car voluntarily.  

Then later, they were allowed to use the kidnapped ones again, not sure when that was, maybe after the non-required in an emergency 48 hours had passed.

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[Kat_Gram]

I am going to post dangerously. I re read the Shango at the end of Dave's book.
Carlos & Charlies.. is the house of rave.
Everyone knew what went on there, they have been trying to close it down, HA etc etc

[Ono]

Hey, Monkeys.

Just want to thank you for all your kind wishes, prayers and e-mails during my recent "incarceration."

Here's hoping that Sunfreak is doing well and I am praying for her quick recovery, just as mine was.

 I am feeling much better now.  The problem was an acute exacerbation of an old problem, and probably secondary to all the stress I have been under and not eating properly so it is now taken care of and I just have to be a compliant patient and eat the right things and rest more than I normally do.

Thank you all once again.  You are great monkeys!

I am going to spend much time reading back because I have not a clue what most of you are talking about and am so out of the loop, so I will lurk and read.  Just wanted to drop by and thank EVERYONE for the kindnesses, words and prayers.  What a great group.

Hey Tyler !!   Great to see you !!

[klaasend]

I am going to post dangerously. I re read the Shango at the end of Dave's book.
Carlos & Charlies.. is the house of rave.
Everyone knew what went on there, they have been trying to close it down, HA etc etc

Very possible

[Grande]

ty Grand 4 d link......wasn't there a pic tho??
Klass??  how are u??
tylergal sorry u had 2 have surgery....take it easy...

i just asked MJ to send me $$$ so i could go to aruba...

then..oh...they r paying people to visit now aren't they??

[Anna]

Natalee had dinner with someone, however most people seem to want to discount this...  http://i7.tinypic.com/24fh2sn.jpg

Grande,
I tend to discount it because Dave Holloway specifically said it never happened and that he had checked with her friends and they all said she took all meals with the group.  DH addresses the question of Natalee having meals with others in a Q&A session at BFN.

Talking to somebody does not equal having dinner with them, in my opinion only.  Thirty minutes would be a pretty fast dinner.  I suppose it could have happened but the friends did not seem to think so.  And there would only be three dinners for them to account for so should be fairly easy to do.

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[friend of monkeys]

oops....any tourist in aruba would stick out...now...lol