Lively Case Discussion #540 11/1 - 11/5/2006

[klaasend]

Sasha's 15th BD party was in March 2005.  I called it her 16th bd yesterday but I was mistaken.  She would be 16 1/2 now.  Sasha Rodriguez, sister of Ernesto and Freddy Arambatzis.

Oh, wow....Sasha is Freddy's sister???

Listed in the Arubachamber, the father:

ARAMBATZIS-RODRIGUEZ ALBERT

Makes sense now as Sasha's name is Sasha Rodriguez.  I have her myspace site saved somewhere..trying to locate it now.  It also makes sense based upon her 15th birthday party family photos with Ernesto and Freddy.

Klaasend:  Do they list his business as a video store?
and his home address as Paradera?

No business listed but home town of Montanja

[klaasend]

Also wondering...
if the IM's between Juron & Deepak have been translated anywhere?

http://i20.photobucket.com/albums/b223/NYSusan/b5e3e4f6.jpg

Around the time this statement was posted, I think I did make an attempt to translate it.  I'll see if I can find my post.

[klaasend]

Posted by Shizaru on August 11th after the Computer Cell statement was posted:
Electronic record timeline for May 30:

Joran calls Deepak.

3.07 am: Val on computer

3:15 am: Joran sends Deepak text messge from his cell phone. Message says: Hey Swa I am home now, I will see you tomorrow (stated by polis in Joran 6/14 statement)

?? am: Deepak sends message to Joran. Message says: OK (stated by polis in Joran 6/14 statement)

3:25 am: Deepak sends message to Joran. Message says: Are you there?

3:25 am: Deepak sends message to Joran. Message says: Anyways nice to hear you are home I will talk to you tomorrow I am going to bed

3:25 am: Deepak sends message to Joran. Message says: Take care

3:33 am: Joran sends IM to Deepak. Message says: Hey swa

3:35 am: Joran sends IM to Deepak. Message says: topa/loca pimp heehehe

3:35 am: Joran visits hotmail

3:40-3:45 am: Joran visits four soccer-related sites

3:46 am: Joran visits porn site

3:56 pm: Joran vists porn site, downloads two porn movies

4:30 am: Joran visits hotmail

5:50 am: Something about Anita and outlook express/e-mail

7:02 am: Paulus visits hotmail

7:34-7:37 pm: Paulus vists several stock-related sites

7:37 pm: Paulus googles "alcohol", beer", and "drugs". Visits sites containing information on alcohol and drugs, the dangers of these for young people, and a lawyer's office. The sites are visited only briefly.

9:18 pm: VDS computer infected with virus

[justinsmama]

Tyler~ Glad to know that you are on the mend and back in da cage! smoochies to you!


In no way do I get that Nat dined with anyone other than the MB group from the following:

 

[Florida]

Thanks, Klaasend for the transcript translation....
Too bad, as with everything from Aruba, it's so vague to read & understand.

Joran's nic with "FORCE the BOAT or FORCE the PIG" ????
And the last message from Deepak....
Could he be asking if he is now a pimp?

Alas......................

[Shizaru]

Posted by Shizaru on August 11th after the Computer Cell statement was posted:
Electronic record timeline for May 30:

Joran calls Deepak.

3.07 am: Val on computer

3:15 am: Joran sends Deepak text messge from his cell phone. Message says: Hey Swa I am home now, I will see you tomorrow (stated by polis in Joran 6/14 statement)

?? am: Deepak sends message to Joran. Message says: OK (stated by polis in Joran 6/14 statement)

3:25 am: Deepak sends message to Joran. Message says: Are you there?

3:25 am: Deepak sends message to Joran. Message says: Anyways nice to hear you are home I will talk to you tomorrow I am going to bed

3:25 am: Deepak sends message to Joran. Message says: Take care

3:33 am: Joran sends IM to Deepak. Message says: Hey swa

3:35 am: Joran sends IM to Deepak. Message says: topa/loca pimp heehehe

3:35 am: Joran visits hotmail

3:40-3:45 am: Joran visits four soccer-related sites

3:46 am: Joran visits porn site

3:56 pm: Joran vists porn site, downloads two porn movies

4:30 am: Joran visits hotmail

5:50 am: Something about Anita and outlook express/e-mail

7:02 am: Paulus visits hotmail

7:34-7:37 pm: Paulus vists several stock-related sites

7:37 pm: Paulus googles "alcohol", beer", and "drugs". Visits sites containing information on alcohol and drugs, the dangers of these for young people, and a lawyer's office. The sites are visited only briefly.

9:18 pm: VDS computer infected with virus

I made a mistake in that part of the timeline that has since been corrected... the googling by Paulus was actuallly at 8:37 not 7:37

[Shizaru]

Klaasend you have mail

[San]

Posted by Shizaru on August 11th after the Computer Cell statement was posted:
Electronic record timeline for May 30:

Joran calls Deepak.

3.07 am: Val on computer

3:15 am: Joran sends Deepak text messge from his cell phone. Message says: Hey Swa I am home now, I will see you tomorrow (stated by polis in Joran 6/14 statement)

?? am: Deepak sends message to Joran. Message says: OK (stated by polis in Joran 6/14 statement)

3:25 am: Deepak sends message to Joran. Message says: Are you there?

3:25 am: Deepak sends message to Joran. Message says: Anyways nice to hear you are home I will talk to you tomorrow I am going to bed

3:25 am: Deepak sends message to Joran. Message says: Take care

3:33 am: Joran sends IM to Deepak. Message says: Hey swa

3:35 am: Joran sends IM to Deepak. Message says: topa/loca pimp heehehe

3:35 am: Joran visits hotmail

3:40-3:45 am: Joran visits four soccer-related sites

3:46 am: Joran visits porn site

3:56 pm: Joran vists porn site, downloads two porn movies

4:30 am: Joran visits hotmail

5:50 am: Something about Anita and outlook express/e-mail

7:02 am: Paulus visits hotmail

7:34-7:37 pm: Paulus vists several stock-related sites

7:37 pm: Paulus googles "alcohol", beer", and "drugs". Visits sites containing information on alcohol and drugs, the dangers of these for young people, and a lawyer's office. The sites are visited only briefly.

9:18 pm: VDS computer infected with virus

Sometimes I wonder if Paulus was visiting stock related sites or was he visiting his bank transactions.

[Grande]

Tyler~ Glad to know that you are on the mend and back in da cage! smoochies to you!


In no way do I get that Nat dined with anyone other than the MB group from the following:

 

In retropspect I tend to agree, however whether or not it was over dinner is beside the point IMO.  A local who knew Natalee and perhaps knew her routine or room #, etc. on the other hand would be pertinent.

[Sue]

3:46 am: Joran visits porn site

3:56 pm: Joran vists porn site, downloads two porn movies



that should teach him to download porn AUTO virus

[justinsmama]

Tyler~ Glad to know that you are on the mend and back in da cage! smoochies to you!


In no way do I get that Nat dined with anyone other than the MB group from the following:

 

In retropspect I tend to agree, however whether or not it was over dinner is beside the point IMO.  A local who knew Natalee and perhaps knew her routine or room #, etc. on the other hand would be pertinent.

Oh, absolutely! I'd like to know who this local was. Paulus?

[San]

O/T - I just answered my door and there were two kids (girl & boy) asking for me to remember to vote on election day.  I have a major problem with sending kids to strangers doors.  These people need to think before they do something like this.  What if they knocked on the wrong persons door.  The girl had to be about 15 and the boy had to be about 12.  Talk about targeting kids.

[Kat_Gram]

Tyler~ Glad to know that you are on the mend and back in da cage! smoochies to you!


In no way do I get that Nat dined with anyone other than the MB group from the following:

 

In retropspect I tend to agree, however whether or not it was over dinner is beside the point IMO.  A local who knew Natalee and perhaps knew her routine or room #, etc. on the other hand would be pertinent.

Any conversation she had with a local for thirty minutes is important.
I haven't been feeling well just allergies but today, I have a bunch of things to do. GrDaughter is " cooking " ( she is barely 8  ) some surprise for us for dinner ?? And then we are going to a movie .. that new Santa Clause thing.
..
Glad to see Tyler is back and hopes she takes care of herself.
.
Ok... I was looking back at the casino screen shots. I can't figure it out if it is Paulus or not. Certainly looks like him, however the body size is what I can't determine. Then, while on that thought train, looks like him above the shoulders, or his twin brother, my mind wandered to the name Lorenzo. I sure wish there was some answer on that question.

[justinsmama]

O/T - I just answered my door and there were two kids (girl & boy) asking for me to remember to vote on election day.  I have a major problem with sending kids to strangers doors.  These people need to think before they do something like this.  What if they knocked on the wrong persons door.  The girl had to be about 15 and the boy had to be about 12.  Talk about targeting kids.

If they identified what organization they were from (school, candidate, party?), call the arses and reem them, San!

[Grande]

Tyler~ Glad to know that you are on the mend and back in da cage! smoochies to you!


In no way do I get that Nat dined with anyone other than the MB group from the following:

 

In retropspect I tend to agree, however whether or not it was over dinner is beside the point IMO.  A local who knew Natalee and perhaps knew her routine or room #, etc. on the other hand would be pertinent.

Oh, absolutely! I'd like to know who this local was. Paulus?

Great, so Im not the only one.  

I am inclined to think it is someone who was questioned by Polis, perhaps GVC.  Afterall GVC was said to have worked on the Holiday Inn Beach.   I was told he was a regular there on the beach often referred to as one of the beach bums.   Anyone have any information to add?

[Kat_Gram]

The connection she had with GVC I believe was limited to the Friday night at C & C's. As far as we know.
And on a crazy note, went to Diario online and looked at pictures from C & C's Halloween for kids. I am thinking very inappropriate costumes.
But, then, what else would one expect ! !   But, then if you work there, you might have a wierd view of life as a person / parent.
I told gd that I was a witch for Halloween and was still wearing the costume. I need to correct my appearance and attire.

[Grande]

The connection she had with GVC I believe was limited to the Friday night at C & C's. As far as we know.
And on a crazy note, went to Diario online and looked at pictures from C & C's Halloween for kids. I am thinking very inappropriate costumes.
But, then, what else would one expect ! !   But, then if you work there, you might have a wierd view of life as a person / parent.
I told gd that I was a witch for Halloween and was still wearing the costume. I need to correct my appearance and attire.

I was just speculating based on the little we do know.  I am trying to contact someone about this.  

LMAO regarding the costume!

[klaasend]

Shizaru - check your email please

Grande - check your email please

San - I agree about sending kids to stranger's doors.  When my son was young I would not allow him to do any of the door to door things, like the candy sales.  I just think it's wrong.

[klaasend]

Posted by Victor (Lazlo) at FOB:

The following is not IMO and I do not agree with what is written by Kees.

Kees vd Spek (de Vries's right hand) wrote the following around sept for a Dutch magazine, that was published recently:

Is the murderer of NH a copycat?

Coincidence does not excist, ppl say, if that is true then the murderer of Natalee Holloway is a copycat.

A very sharp watcher pointed out to us an article in "Readers Digest" from 10 years ago. In that there was the story of the Norvegian Anna Kristin Jensen who disappeared in the early 90's while on vacation on a Spanish island.

When you read that it seems a copy of what happened last year with NH on Aruba.

There are so much simularties that it gives one the shills.

Natalee was a student, just like Anne Kristen. Natalee disappeared after she had been to a disco with friends, same as Kristen. The Norvegian girl had been last seen with a local boy, just like Natalee. Kristen allegedly had went with him to another disco, but the young man later admitted that he had went to the beach with her, just like Natalee Holloway.

The young man had tried to kiss her, after which both went their own way.

Several searches did not have any result, the police investigation on the Spanish island was closed without any result, just like on Aruba.

But then there is a difference; the Norvergian case was solved by policeman Ola Thune from Oslo, together with the family which did their udmost.

Thurne went undercover en jumped into the nightlive of the Spanish island (Fuerteventura), en discovers that the guy Kristen was last seen with was her murderer after all.

It seemed that he had strangled the girl that night, and had burried her on the beach. The next day he had confessed everything to his father, who then digged up the body and took it in his boat to the sea. There he then disposed of it, while he had made it heavy in a very deep area.

Father and son in 1993 have been given respectively 4 months and 12 years of prison.

In the Holloway case both father and son have been  suspects, copycats? Or just a coincidence?

Kees van der Spek; in "Verdacht" nr 4 2006.

Please note that Kees at this point (amongst other things) is going after leads other then J2K guilty of what happened to NH.

[Kat_Gram]

The connection she had with GVC I believe was limited to the Friday night at C & C's. As far as we know.
And on a crazy note, went to Diario online and looked at pictures from C & C's Halloween for kids. I am thinking very inappropriate costumes.
But, then, what else would one expect ! !   But, then if you work there, you might have a wierd view of life as a person / parent.
I told gd that I was a witch for Halloween and was still wearing the costume. I need to correct my appearance and attire.

I was just speculating based on the little we do know.  I am trying to contact someone about this.  

LMAO regarding the costume!

I would like to know WHEN GVC was first questioned.
I would also like to know IF Lorenzo was questioned and WHEN.
For all we know, she could have been having a convesation with anyone.
Guido ? Lorenzo ? GVC ? They sure got on to Guido in a hurry. There were other casino workers at the casino on the Sunday, they did not get questioned a few times and have to hire a lawyer like G. Spong.
Some of the stuff, the chit taking about Natalee .. Monday he didn't know her name. Then he knows all this stuff about her. Guido ???