Lively Case Discussion #540 11/1 - 11/5/2006

[Florida]

Yesterday, I was reading one of Deepak's statements....He mentions going around the C&C block twice & then heading past Choose-A-Name (Havenstraat) & towards another bar....Can't find it now....and then the 2 rights towards the hotel area...

[klaasend]

Klaas,

I have a question.  The statement that it is a fact Joran did NOT attend school on Monday is listed on the Q&A from the meeting down at the bottom and is not numbered.

It is added by BFN poster Jamie and Debbie says she does not know if Jamie attended the meeting or not.  This information contradicts the statements of the headmaster and teacher but also Jug per his friends who were at the school putting up posters on June 1.  At least it contradicts what Jug said they were told.

So was this VERIFIED at the meeting or not?  I still tend to think that Joran made some sort of showing at the school with Paulus on Monday in order to advance their alibis as quickly as they did.  Also early posters from Aruba kids at the school said he was there but asleep/passed out in the floor in the aisle between the desks and at the back of the room.

Evidently, classes are very casual in Aruba.  But I am wondering if this was addressed at the recent meeting and is a fact or if it is only Jamie's opinion that he was not at school.  Robert Werner is an American and I got the impression from Jug long ago that early on, Werner did not know the rules of the cover up and talked more than would be expected.

Each answer seems to promote more questions.  

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Anna - I have wondered the same thing, almost seems like a reaction by Jamie and NOT part of the Q&A.  I will say though from Paulus' 6/23 it sounds as though Joran did not go to school that day or if he did, he went in late.

[Anna]

[Anna - I have wondered the same thing, almost seems like a reaction by Jamie and NOT part of the Q&A.  I will say though from Paulus' 6/23 it sounds as though Joran did not go to school that day or if he did, he went in late.

That's my concern--that his first trip to the bank was not to the bank at all but to take Joran by school to start covering tracks.  I also can imagine Joran was till so drunk he only made matters worse saying Natalee hit her head so Paulus was called to come back and remove him.

But do I think he attended all day, aced an exam, etc.?  Absolutely not!  I do think Paulus and Joran spoke with headmaster, however, and likely in person.  I further believe Paulus is so scared of Anita he told her Joran attended school as always to try to stay out of any more trouble with her.  

Julia Renfro had just been on TV saying Joran was at school, rode the bus, was on time and aced his exam and that she verified it with a teacher at the school when the infamous alleged pushing event occurred.  I still contend it would be terrifying to see that charging any loved one and can well understand Jug's reflexive action.  We all have the right to protect our loved ones.

So maybe Debbie or someone from BFN will post about that and let us know for sure if it was verified or not.  My problem is that in order for headmaster to already be up to the alibi of the broken tape at the HI, he needed two encounters with the Sloots.  One for the hitting of the head swimming claim and then the second for the broken tape as it would not make sense that they would try to sell him on both of them at the same time.

Would be something like Joran saying she hit her head swimming and he pushed her out to sea and then saying well, if you don't believe that one, how's about we dropped her off at the HI but the tape was broken so we won't be seen?  Not even he would try to sell both at one sitting so there needs to be two encounters before the morning of Wednesday when the friends of Jug were at the school and called into the office of headmaster for debriefing.

I just hate it when little ends don't tie up like that!  Nags at the back of my mind until I can get it settled.  I know it is not important in the big picture and has no value for finding Natalee but just like for things to add up along the way.

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[Anna]

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I found this link to a translation of the program to English. Where is everyone ? Dancing in thee streets because of Saddam. ?

     

[Kat_Gram]

Anna, I can't make any sense out of whether he was at school or not.
What Julia said was almost word for word what Anita said. But Anita was in Holland until June 1( Wednesday ).

[Florida]

FWII:

MON.  Joran oversleeps & misses school bus
Paulus drives him towards school
On the way per the bus driver, Paulus meets up with the bus in Savaneta
This saves Paulus the time spent driving to San Nicolas

Joran aces his final
Is very sleepy in class
Goes to nurse's office...Per principal...Goes home???

TUES.
A 'silly' Joran on school bus bragging about being with "the missing girl"
Father calls him to tell him to "shut up"

..........Who's telling the truth?

[Kat_Gram]

From Wardlaw’s statement taken on  JUNE 30, 2005    TEACHER


“moving to a new building. This may have been done in his free hours, I am not certain of this. Also I can remember that he had become on sick on two days, and he went towards the medical center, which we have at school. This was on Monday, May 30, 2005 and Tuesday, May 31, 2005 this happened “

From PVDS June 18 statement

On May 30th 2005, in the nightly hours, I did not pick up Joran from anywhere. I slept solidly through the night without waking up. On May 30th in the hours of the morning, I did not notice anything different/out of the ordinary with Joran. According to me he got onto the bus of the I.S.A. with his brothers Sebastian and Valentijn just like he always does. I am not absolutely sure about that because I didn't notice it and because Joran didn't have to be at school every day during that period.

From PVDS June 25 statement
But I do not remember exactly which
days he did not go with the bus. It could be that it was that Monday.
Most likely I informed the bus driver that Joran would not be going with
the bus. A clue to the fact that Joran did not go to school that Monday
could be that on Tuesday I insisted that he went to school that day.

Describing the Tuesday morning
I woke up Valentijn and Sebastian and I also said to Joran that he
had to go to school even though he wasn't in the mood to go. I know
that I insisted that he should go. A reason for that might be that he had
already not gone to school on Monday. I then left for work. I think it
was approximately 7.30 hours when I called the headmaster of the
International School. I had told him that Joran had not slept all night
and asked for him to be understanding just in case Joran was feeling
sleepy.
Jan Van tells P to bring J to police station
..
I called the headmaster and told him
that I would be coming to pick up Joran. The headmaster told me
that Joran was resting in what was called the doctors office and asked
my at what time he should wake him up. I told him that I would be at
the I.S.A. at approximately 10.00 hours.

[Sue]

One question has always boggled my mind..
Was Anita Scheduled to come home the day she came  OR
Did she fly home early because her son murdered a girl and they needed
her for more lies

[Sue]

One question has always boggled my mind..
Was Anita Scheduled to come home the day she came  OR
Did she fly home early because her son murdered a girl and they needed
her for more lies

[blah]

So, anyone think Al Jazeera is going to have a live video link on their website of Sadam hanging from the gallows?

Maybe Don King can put together a Pay Per View deal with HBO or something (its got to do better than his last few boxers anyhow :ro

Hang em high
Hang em high
Hang em high

[Kat_Gram]

So, anyone think Al Jazeera is going to have a live video link on their website of Sadam hanging from the gallows?

Maybe Don King can put together a Pay Per View deal with HBO or something (its got to do better than his last few boxers anyhow :ro

Hang em high
Hang em high
Hang em high

There was an automatic appeal.
Could be a year.

[Dana]

Then there is this question :

#8.  Is that PVDS in the Casino video?  Cannot be confirmed, the croupier does not recall PVDS being there.

The MB girls could surely have recoginzed him? If they could not there must be camera's with different angles?

I agree, you would certainly think so.  Not sure the family has had access to the other casino camera angles though.

Shameless plug for tonights show
Tonight Sunday at 9pm et "Dana Pretzer Show"
Scared Monkyes Radio www.sacredmonkeys.com/radio

1st Guest - Joseph O'Donnell from Investigative management Grou. Are we safer today then we were Sept 10th 2001? What Is A Terrorist ?

2nd Guest - Glenna Trout Expert In Face Reading. A new technique to assist law enforcement in solving crime. Also she reads yours truly. Its very interesting. Her web page is www.facingfacts.info

Hope you can join us.

Dana

[Dana]

Then there is this question :

#8.  Is that PVDS in the Casino video?  Cannot be confirmed, the croupier does not recall PVDS being there.

The MB girls could surely have recoginzed him? If they could not there must be camera's with different angles?

I agree, you would certainly think so.  Not sure the family has had access to the other casino camera angles though.

Shameless plug for tonights show
Tonight Sunday at 9pm et "Dana Pretzer Show"
Scared Monkyes Radio www.sacredmonkeys.com/radio

1st Guest - Joseph O'Donnell from Investigative management Grou. Are we safer today then we were Sept 10th 2001? What Is A Terrorist ?

2nd Guest - Glenna Trout Expert In Face Reading. A new technique to assist law enforcement in solving crime. Also she reads yours truly. Its very interesting. Her web page is www.facingfacts.info

Hope you can join us.

Dana

Please excuse the typo in the last post.

it should read www.scaredmonkeys.com/radio

[klaasend]

From Wardlaw’s statement taken on  JUNE 30, 2005    TEACHER


“moving to a new building. This may have been done in his free hours, I am not certain of this. Also I can remember that he had become on sick on two days, and he went towards the medical center, which we have at school. This was on Monday, May 30, 2005 and Tuesday, May 31, 2005 this happened “

From PVDS June 18 statement

On May 30th 2005, in the nightly hours, I did not pick up Joran from anywhere. I slept solidly through the night without waking up. On May 30th in the hours of the morning, I did not notice anything different/out of the ordinary with Joran. According to me he got onto the bus of the I.S.A. with his brothers Sebastian and Valentijn just like he always does. I am not absolutely sure about that because I didn't notice it and because Joran didn't have to be at school every day during that period.

From PVDS June 25 statement
But I do not remember exactly which
days he did not go with the bus. It could be that it was that Monday.
Most likely I informed the bus driver that Joran would not be going with
the bus. A clue to the fact that Joran did not go to school that Monday
could be that on Tuesday I insisted that he went to school that day.

Describing the Tuesday morning
I woke up Valentijn and Sebastian and I also said to Joran that he
had to go to school even though he wasn't in the mood to go. I know
that I insisted that he should go. A reason for that might be that he had
already not gone to school on Monday. I then left for work. I think it
was approximately 7.30 hours when I called the headmaster of the
International School. I had told him that Joran had not slept all night
and asked for him to be understanding just in case Joran was feeling
sleepy.
Jan Van tells P to bring J to police station
..
I called the headmaster and told him
that I would be coming to pick up Joran. The headmaster told me
that Joran was resting in what was called the doctors office and asked
my at what time he should wake him up. I told him that I would be at
the I.S.A. at approximately 10.00 hours.

IMO, PVDS would not be saying this if there wasn't a reason to believe Joran either was not in school on Monday or was gone from school most of the day.

Regarding the final exam.  There was NO final exam on Monday.

[klaasend]

Dana - looking forward to your show.  Please ask Glenna if she can analyze these faces for "similarities".

[Dana]

Dana - looking forward to your show.  Please ask Glenna if she can analyze these faces for "similarities".

well you know i asked her just that, she wont in the media analyze anyone  who is still a suspect in a crime, sorry you will have to settle for her thoughts on my ugly mug .

[klaasend]

Dang, lol  

[LilPuma]

FWII:

MON.  Joran oversleeps & misses school bus
Paulus drives him towards school
On the way per the bus driver, Paulus meets up with the bus in Savaneta
This saves Paulus the time spent driving to San Nicolas

Joran aces his final
Is very sleepy in class
Goes to nurse's office...Per principal...Goes home???

TUES.
A 'silly' Joran on school bus bragging about being with "the missing girl"
Father calls him to tell him to "shut up"

..........Who's telling the truth?

Paulus said in his statement that Tuesday, he called the school to tell them that (his son is a rapist/murderer - ed.) Joran would be tired because the family of a missing girl (whom he raped and murdered - ed.) showed up at 2:00 a.m. and it was a circus (because the police were too incompetent to handle the situation - ed.).  Paulus also said that Joran had to go to school Tuesday because he didn't go Monday.  

[Anna]

O/TAm watching special on Terrorism on FoxNews, Obsession.

  Highly recommend it and it will air again later today, not sure what times.  Some very scary stuff invluding the sheet numbers involved.

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[Anna]

[Paulus said in his statement that Tuesday, he called the school to tell them that (his son is a rapist/murderer - ed.) Joran would be tired because the family of a missing girl (whom he raped and murdered - ed.) showed up at 2:00 a.m. and it was a circus (because the police were too incompetent to handle the situation - ed.).  Paulus also said that Joran had to go to school Tuesday because he didn't go Monday.  

Thanks, LilPuma,
It would make it more in keeping with a cover up for him not to have been there.  And it's hard to believe anything Paulus says, would not believe him about the time of day but there seems to be a preponderance of evidence toward Joran not being at school on Monday.  

But that is contrary to much Jug said about that very early in the investigation.  I guess we can just go with Joran not being there at all for now.  Not a major point about anything but that was our main source I believe for Natalee having hit her head.  So if he wasn't at school, I guess he did not say that.

Round and round it goes!

Thanks!

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