Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 - 6/10/09

[texasmom]

Good night Helen Back!  

[Keepthefaith]

Vrolijk leads right to Oduber...It can't be...

Maybe,Rudy Croes?You wouldn't say..Would you KTF?I would but,that's just me..Go figure.I'm just an Idiot...

Can't wait for the article that has a picture of Rudy,Oduber,as well as CapsLockGizzard all together...Ya never know.It just might happen..Just sayin!

I'm lookin'!   

If anyone can find it TM can! It really is sickening to think CapsLockGizzard & Family are friends with all involved in the cover-up of Natalee Holloway's rape and murder!Then to create a Hoax such as the pond search is beyond EVIL.To think that Americans still believe Gizzard's is astounding....

[Keepthefaith]

Well, it's pumpkin time for me......hope those storms aren't heading north...but most times they do.     

Keep on keepin' on.  (no b-ball posts.....hopefully.       )

Justice for Natalee.     

  Keep smiling BillB!

3- 2 Lakers.....in 6!
Don't tell 2NJ......

I'm torn ...... hate Kobe and the Lakers..... really despise the "Thuggets"! Rooting for "King James"  -- but not enough around him!

My last post on b-ball 2nj... I must say the playoffs have not been to fun to watch in general!I feel the officiating in general has been atrocious to all teams involved.Let the players play and decide the game...Back to Justice For Natalee Holloway..

 
 
 
 

[/pre]

Hey Wreck,

Have you been to see "Angels and Demons"?

 

Goodnight all!

Touche Helen Back...

[Keepthefaith]

Vrolijk leads right to Oduber...It can't be...

Maybe,Rudy Croes?You wouldn't say..Would you KTF?I would but,that's just me..Go figure.I'm just an Idiot...

Can't wait for the article that has a picture of Rudy,Oduber,as well as CapsLockGizzard all together...Ya never know.It just might happen..Just sayin!

I'm lookin'!   

If anyone can find it TM can! It really is sickening to think CapsLockGizzard & Family are friends with all involved in the cover-up of Natalee Holloway's rape and murder!Then to create a Hoax such as the pond search is beyond EVIL.To think that Americans still believe Gizzard's is astounding....

Sooner or later those P.O.S will have there day...If i don't see it in my lifetime,i'm sure i'll hear about it as i meet the maker at the Pearly-Gates..

[Keepthefaith]

Three words for ya BillB.....Close em out!

[texasmom]

Vrolijk leads right to Oduber...It can't be...

Maybe,Rudy Croes?You wouldn't say..Would you KTF?I would but,that's just me..Go figure.I'm just an Idiot...

Can't wait for the article that has a picture of Rudy,Oduber,as well as CapsLockGizzard all together...Ya never know.It just might happen..Just sayin!

I'm lookin'!   

Thanks KTF!  
If anyone can find it TM can! It really is sickening to think CapsLockGizzard & Family are friends with all involved in the cover-up of Natalee Holloway's rape and murder!Then to create a Hoax such as the pond search is beyond EVIL.To think that Americans still believe Gizzard's is astounding....

[texasmom]

texasmom, Keepthefaith, hotping, 2NJSons_Mom, billb, Helen Back, Anna and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.

You guys are in trouble now!   

[texasmom]

Vrolijk leads right to Oduber...It can't be...

Maybe,Rudy Croes?You wouldn't say..Would you KTF?I would but,that's just me..Go figure.I'm just an Idiot...

Can't wait for the article that has a picture of Rudy,Oduber,as well as CapsLockGizzard all together...Ya never know.It just might happen..Just sayin!

I'm lookin'!   

If anyone can find it TM can! It really is sickening to think CapsLockGizzard & Family are friends with all involved in the cover-up of Natalee Holloway's rape and murder!Then to create a Hoax such as the pond search is beyond EVIL.To think that Americans still believe Gizzard's is astounding....

Thanks KTF!   

Fixed the quote stack!   

[Keepthefaith]

texasmom, Keepthefaith, hotping, 2NJSons_Mom, billb, Helen Back, Anna and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.

You guys are in trouble now!   

Whatta ya talkin bout TM...You're busy stackin!

[billb's daughter]

I have a friend who was an architect for a company that built shopping malls.

They made a new corporation for each one they built.  I think many people do that when large sums of money are involved.  Helps to keep it straight I suppose.  I think that may well be why there seems to be a continuous stream of companies involved in the petroleum products industry.

MO

As Nut44X4 posted about her step-dad's construction business, my union carpenter BIL told me a few weeks back that this is a commom practice.....sometimes legitimate and sometimes to hide things.  Our discussion had to do with the contractor who won the bid for the road modifications near our home.   There were problems with things on our property and we had court hearings.  The super didn't show for some and told the officials....'try to find me'.  But, that's our little experience....here....and we're not sure it's over. 

What I am thinking with this is that with a different corporation for each job, there is just about no way to locate a contract.

And I think some of the same people jump ship, pardon the bad pun, to work from one company to another or are hired more or less like a free lance worker.

I don't know how else to account for the maze of companys and holdings, etc.  And yes, this is a well known shield for all manner of things.

Anna....I agree in no direct contract tying things up neatly.....won't happen.
But patterns of people (J. S.. Louis S, kyle, Tim T. and aruba/ahata reps) may emerge that can provide circumstantial evidence showing wrongdoing implying payoff for persistence involvement in cover up wrt cage recovery.
I so wish there is a way our FBI can make something out of the persistence search tying them to a cover up....whether fraud in funds solicitation, tax evasion, whatever...to get the principles under oath for discovery of cage contents that may bring us closer to Justice.......

[billb's daughter]

texasmom, Keepthefaith, hotping, 2NJSons_Mom, billb, Helen Back, Anna and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.

You guys are in trouble now!   

2NJSons_Mom..It was Ktf...no..wreck....Oh heck.....MAYBE it was me?

[Keepthefaith]

texasmom, Keepthefaith, hotping, 2NJSons_Mom, billb, Helen Back, Anna and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.

You guys are in trouble now!   

2NJSons_Mom..It was Ktf...no..wreck....Oh heck.....MAYBE it was me?

Ouch BillB..You need to be more careful backing the bus up!You ran over my toe... Next time you could really hurt me.Maybe even throw me under the bus if your not careful...

[hotping]

I have a friend who was an architect for a company that built shopping malls.

They made a new corporation for each one they built.  I think many people do that when large sums of money are involved.  Helps to keep it straight I suppose.  I think that may well be why there seems to be a continuous stream of companies involved in the petroleum products industry.

MO

As Nut44X4 posted about her step-dad's construction business, my union carpenter BIL told me a few weeks back that this is a commom practice.....sometimes legitimate and sometimes to hide things.  Our discussion had to do with the contractor who won the bid for the road modifications near our home.   There were problems with things on our property and we had court hearings.  The super didn't show for some and told the officials....'try to find me'.  But, that's our little experience....here....and we're not sure it's over. 

What I am thinking with this is that with a different corporation for each job, there is just about no way to locate a contract.

And I think some of the same people jump ship, pardon the bad pun, to work from one company to another or are hired more or less like a free lance worker.

I don't know how else to account for the maze of companys and holdings, etc.  And yes, this is a well known shield for all manner of things.

I have to admit it Anna I believe that if We find the connection it will be a miracle....I do believe in miracles....so I will just keep digging and praying that we will find something....You are right it is definitely disguised very well.....but I believe that anything is possible and it just could be found at anytime......I once was doing an adoption search and all I knew for sure was the birthmother's name She had not revealed the date of birth are the location of the birth....The sibling of the adoptee had been looking for 21 yrs when I got involved in the search.....after 4 mos of making a timeline and doing everything I knew possible to do I was ready to give up then one night while searching on the internet I googled Harris County Hpspital Records and found a location in Tx that had some archived records  so the next morning I put in a phone call and the clerk there took My information and within 15 minutes called Me back and told Me that she had located a birth with that birthmother's name and bingo all of a sudden I had a date of birth and from there it was about a week and I had located the adoptee and reunited the sister and brother.....it was a miracle and it would have never happened if I had given up! So Pray for a Miracle! In God We Trust! 

[Keepthefaith]

I have a friend who was an architect for a company that built shopping malls.

They made a new corporation for each one they built.  I think many people do that when large sums of money are involved.  Helps to keep it straight I suppose.  I think that may well be why there seems to be a continuous stream of companies involved in the petroleum products industry.

MO

As Nut44X4 posted about her step-dad's construction business, my union carpenter BIL told me a few weeks back that this is a commom practice.....sometimes legitimate and sometimes to hide things.  Our discussion had to do with the contractor who won the bid for the road modifications near our home.   There were problems with things on our property and we had court hearings.  The super didn't show for some and told the officials....'try to find me'.  But, that's our little experience....here....and we're not sure it's over. 

What I am thinking with this is that with a different corporation for each job, there is just about no way to locate a contract.

And I think some of the same people jump ship, pardon the bad pun, to work from one company to another or are hired more or less like a free lance worker.

I don't know how else to account for the maze of companys and holdings, etc.  And yes, this is a well known shield for all manner of things.

Anna....I agree in no direct contract tying things up neatly.....won't happen.
But patterns of people (J. S.. Louis S, kyle, Tim T. and aruba/ahata reps) may emerge that can provide circumstantial evidence showing wrongdoing implying payoff for persistence involvement in cover up wrt cage recovery.
I so wish there is a way our FBI can make something out of the persistence search tying them to a cover up....whether fraud in funds solicitation, tax evasion, whatever...to get the principles under oath for discovery of cage contents that may bring us closer to Justice.......

This may be way outta left field but i'll throw it out there.No pun intended.If enough circumstantial evidence was uncovered that could show the intentions of The persistence,as well as the crew were less then honorable in regards to finding Natalee Holloway would Beth,and or Dave have grounds for a civil lawsuit in an American court??Just a thought..

[texasmom]

texasmom, Keepthefaith, hotping, 2NJSons_Mom, billb, Helen Back, Anna and 2 Guests are viewing this topic.

You guys are in trouble now!   

Whatta ya talkin bout TM...You're busy stackin!

 

tattletale!    

[texasmom]

I have a friend who was an architect for a company that built shopping malls.

They made a new corporation for each one they built.  I think many people do that when large sums of money are involved.  Helps to keep it straight I suppose.  I think that may well be why there seems to be a continuous stream of companies involved in the petroleum products industry.

MO

As Nut44X4 posted about her step-dad's construction business, my union carpenter BIL told me a few weeks back that this is a commom practice.....sometimes legitimate and sometimes to hide things.  Our discussion had to do with the contractor who won the bid for the road modifications near our home.   There were problems with things on our property and we had court hearings.  The super didn't show for some and told the officials....'try to find me'.  But, that's our little experience....here....and we're not sure it's over. 

What I am thinking with this is that with a different corporation for each job, there is just about no way to locate a contract.

And I think some of the same people jump ship, pardon the bad pun, to work from one company to another or are hired more or less like a free lance worker.

I don't know how else to account for the maze of companys and holdings, etc.  And yes, this is a well known shield for all manner of things.

I have to admit it Anna I believe that if We find the connection it will be a miracle....I do believe in miracles....so I will just keep digging and praying that we will find something....You are right it is definitely disguised very well.....but I believe that anything is possible and it just could be found at anytime......I once was doing an adoption search and all I knew for sure was the birthmother's name She had not revealed the date of birth are the location of the birth....The sibling of the adoptee had been looking for 21 yrs when I got involved in the search.....after 4 mos of making a timeline and doing everything I knew possible to do I was ready to give up then one night while searching on the internet I googled Harris County Hpspital Records and found a location in Tx that had some archived records  so the next morning I put in a phone call and the clerk there took My information and within 15 minutes called Me back and told Me that she had located a birth with that birthmother's name and bingo all of a sudden I had a date of birth and from there it was about a week and I had located the adoptee and reunited the sister and brother.....it was a miracle and it would have never happened if I had given up! So Pray for a Miracle! In God We Trust! 

You're right Hotping...you never know what little piece of information will lead to something big!

KEEP DIGGING!   

Great story, thanks for sharing!   

[hotping]

I have a friend who was an architect for a company that built shopping malls.

They made a new corporation for each one they built.  I think many people do that when large sums of money are involved.  Helps to keep it straight I suppose.  I think that may well be why there seems to be a continuous stream of companies involved in the petroleum products industry.

MO

As Nut44X4 posted about her step-dad's construction business, my union carpenter BIL told me a few weeks back that this is a commom practice.....sometimes legitimate and sometimes to hide things.  Our discussion had to do with the contractor who won the bid for the road modifications near our home.   There were problems with things on our property and we had court hearings.  The super didn't show for some and told the officials....'try to find me'.  But, that's our little experience....here....and we're not sure it's over. 

What I am thinking with this is that with a different corporation for each job, there is just about no way to locate a contract.

And I think some of the same people jump ship, pardon the bad pun, to work from one company to another or are hired more or less like a free lance worker.

I don't know how else to account for the maze of companys and holdings, etc.  And yes, this is a well known shield for all manner of things.

Anna....I agree in no direct contract tying things up neatly.....won't happen.
But patterns of people (J. S.. Louis S, kyle, Tim T. and aruba/ahata reps) may emerge that can provide circumstantial evidence showing wrongdoing implying payoff for persistence involvement in cover up wrt cage recovery.
I so wish there is a way our FBI can make something out of the persistence search tying them to a cover up....whether fraud in funds solicitation, tax evasion, whatever...to get the principles under oath for discovery of cage contents that may bring us closer to Justice.......

This may be way outta left field but i'll throw it out there.No pun intended.If enough circumstantial evidence was uncovered that could show the intentions of The persistence,as well as the crew were less then honorable in regards to finding Natalee Holloway would Beth,and or Dave have grounds for a civil lawsuit in an American court??Just a thought..

Could Be KTF and what about all the people who donated to the search who were duped.....

[Anna]

Hotping,

Yes, I am praying for that miracle and also think that if it can be done, you guys are the ones to do it.  I am just amazed at your skills in finding these obscure filings and all the information on what is happening in that region as far as oil exploration.

And I do believe something of the sort for which you are looking does exist.  So do hang in there and keep looking for there just may well be evidence to be found.  Just the fact that there is so much activity and even more planned in the region says it all for me.

[billb's daughter]

I have a friend who was an architect for a company that built shopping malls.

They made a new corporation for each one they built.  I think many people do that when large sums of money are involved.  Helps to keep it straight I suppose.  I think that may well be why there seems to be a continuous stream of companies involved in the petroleum products industry.

MO

As Nut44X4 posted about her step-dad's construction business, my union carpenter BIL told me a few weeks back that this is a commom practice.....sometimes legitimate and sometimes to hide things.  Our discussion had to do with the contractor who won the bid for the road modifications near our home.   There were problems with things on our property and we had court hearings.  The super didn't show for some and told the officials....'try to find me'.  But, that's our little experience....here....and we're not sure it's over. 

What I am thinking with this is that with a different corporation for each job, there is just about no way to locate a contract.

And I think some of the same people jump ship, pardon the bad pun, to work from one company to another or are hired more or less like a free lance worker.

I don't know how else to account for the maze of companys and holdings, etc.  And yes, this is a well known shield for all manner of things.

I have to admit it Anna I believe that if We find the connection it will be a miracle....I do believe in miracles....so I will just keep digging and praying that we will find something....You are right it is definitely disguised very well.....but I believe that anything is possible and it just could be found at anytime......I once was doing an adoption search and all I knew for sure was the birthmother's name She had not revealed the date of birth are the location of the birth....The sibling of the adoptee had been looking for 21 yrs when I got involved in the search.....after 4 mos of making a timeline and doing everything I knew possible to do I was ready to give up then one night while searching on the internet I googled Harris County Hpspital Records and found a location in Tx that had some archived records  so the next morning I put in a phone call and the clerk there took My information and within 15 minutes called Me back and told Me that she had located a birth with that birthmother's name and bingo all of a sudden I had a date of birth and from there it was about a week and I had located the adoptee and reunited the sister and brother.....it was a miracle and it would have never happened if I had given up! So Pray for a Miracle! In God We Trust! 

That is why we are here....Each little bit COUNTS for something...whether directly or indirectly....each effort moves the process along.
Thanks Hotping!

[hotping]

I have a friend who was an architect for a company that built shopping malls.

They made a new corporation for each one they built.  I think many people do that when large sums of money are involved.  Helps to keep it straight I suppose.  I think that may well be why there seems to be a continuous stream of companies involved in the petroleum products industry.

MO

As Nut44X4 posted about her step-dad's construction business, my union carpenter BIL told me a few weeks back that this is a commom practice.....sometimes legitimate and sometimes to hide things.  Our discussion had to do with the contractor who won the bid for the road modifications near our home.   There were problems with things on our property and we had court hearings.  The super didn't show for some and told the officials....'try to find me'.  But, that's our little experience....here....and we're not sure it's over. 

What I am thinking with this is that with a different corporation for each job, there is just about no way to locate a contract.

And I think some of the same people jump ship, pardon the bad pun, to work from one company to another or are hired more or less like a free lance worker.

I don't know how else to account for the maze of companys and holdings, etc.  And yes, this is a well known shield for all manner of things.

I have to admit it Anna I believe that if We find the connection it will be a miracle....I do believe in miracles....so I will just keep digging and praying that we will find something....You are right it is definitely disguised very well.....but I believe that anything is possible and it just could be found at anytime......I once was doing an adoption search and all I knew for sure was the birthmother's name She had not revealed the date of birth are the location of the birth....The sibling of the adoptee had been looking for 21 yrs when I got involved in the search.....after 4 mos of making a timeline and doing everything I knew possible to do I was ready to give up then one night while searching on the internet I googled Harris County Hpspital Records and found a location in Tx that had some archived records  so the next morning I put in a phone call and the clerk there took My information and within 15 minutes called Me back and told Me that she had located a birth with that birthmother's name and bingo all of a sudden I had a date of birth and from there it was about a week and I had located the adoptee and reunited the sister and brother.....it was a miracle and it would have never happened if I had given up! So Pray for a Miracle! In God We Trust! 

You're right Hotping...you never know what little piece of information will lead to something big!

KEEP DIGGING!   

Great story, thanks for sharing!   

You're Welcome TM! That's just one of a few adoption related searches that have turned into miracles I also found My Husbands birthfamilies....My husband grew up as an only child and in Nov 2001 We found that He had 5 half brothers and 3 half sisters and now We know all of His medical history and  roots.....Not to mention  Great Relationships with them all.....