Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 - 6/10/09

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57305.php

Google translation:

'Speak, bore or quarrel, but stay at the table'

May 29, 2009, 17:24 (GMT -04:00)

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Antillean Prime Minister Emily de Jongh-Elhage morning by Prime Minister Nelson Oduber. Both talked about the situation in the Kingdom since the decommissioning process of the West is focused.


ORANGE CITY - "Had we but as Prime Minister", sighed a few attendees after the speech of the Antillean Prime Minister Emily de Jongh-Elhage in Cas di Cultura yesterday. She was there at the invitation of the Epilepsy Foundation that - despite her young life - the president of the Central Bank Aruba as guest speakers had managed to snare for a fundraising.

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The program also attracted many visitors from senior management: managers of large companies, leaders of trade unions and employers organizations, not to mention a large number of politicians and parliamentarians, including the Presidents Ady Thijsen (MEP) and Rudy Lampe (RED) and AVP - Statenlid Benny Sevinger. The Board had in its entirety fails.

Perhaps, as suggested media and participants, because they knew that a scolding of the Antillean Prime washes to expect on the interference in the referendum of Curaçao May 15 And that happened even did De Jongh-Elhage in a more humorous way than they had done on the Aruban radio. When she Justice Minister Rudy Croes compared with the Dutch-PVV MPs Geert Wilders and Hero Brinkman.

"There is a speech for me, but tonight I am speaking from my heart," began De Jongh-Elhage while they pushed the leaves aside. And she spoke passionately about her belief that only with a 'si' Curaçao has a chance to provide a new country is to survive. "We have a debt of 5 billion florin. Listen, this is a five out of nine zeros attached, while laughingly admits that the referendum them extra practice in persuasive speeches. "And we have only 250,000 people, so how can we help without starting a new country."

The prime minister explains why there is hardly offered the decommissioning process of the Antilles. And not just because the elections to the door and it is impossible to find politicians who want to sit in a government of a country to be dismantled. Her haste is also the fear of the consequences of political change in the Netherlands in respect of the Antilles. Was first the Dutch parliament unanimously debt of 1.7 billion euro, now that its no longer true. This is not just related to the PVV, now the largest party in the Netherlands, the Antilles rather lost. "Even in other parties are increasingly against noise." This is according to De Jongh-Elhage also because of the poor economic climate. When the Netherlands, which they still a gift for the West calls came swam there in the money. Now the Netherlands is struggling with a deficit of 20 million euros if it is not savings, the Prime Minister. So the longer it lasts, the greater the chance that soon no more political support and therefore no money for the debts of Curaçao.

Remain at the table
De Jongh-Elhage yesterday was a recognizing applause when she started to relations within the Kingdom. "It is because we in the Kingdom, with a reliable legal system that we have a Dutch passport, which with us are still much better than the rest of the Caribbean islands."


Antillean Prime Minister did not directly on Aruba's volatile participation in the negotiations on the new political structure. They clearly do not want to interfere in the discussion, for example, the headquarters of the Joint Court and the recently announced corruption investigation by the Netherlands in Aruba. The fact that the Aruban Curaçao also criticizes administration to do what the Netherlands task, assigns them to the hand. Just as the criticism that the autonomy of Aruba affected. "That is not true. Aruba is itself. It is a discussion with the Netherlands they have to, not us. "She stressed that the parties then have to sit at the table and there, especially not in the press, the negotiations should take:" You can discuss, whine, even fight, but at the table. "


The Prime Minister is also not that Curaçao during the negotiations over its autonomy return. If she refers to how Aruba are separate status was also not deliver the goods had been. Indeed, only Aruba was granted autonomy in the event that after ten years from the Kingdom steps. "The negotiators took time, however, the offer because they assume that they were later called again to sit at the table and then again looked at what was right." And they were right, says De Jongh-Elhage, because Aruba was in the Kingdom.

Easily wiped Antillean Prime Minister Emily de Jongh-Elhage yesterday asking for her opinion about Aruban affairs of the table. "I, unlike other politicians here, not difficult with internal affairs of any country in the world, nor of Aruba." The Prime Minister had again failed to mention the interference not only Minister Rudy Croes during the referendum, but also this week by Prime Minister Nelson Oduber. This interference might be grist to the mill of those who during the referendum voted no. This, according to her throughout the referendum almost nothing done than the people Curaçao 'poisoned' with untruths. That Aruban drivers still on top of a scoop continue to find them is disappointing. Especially now that she is trying its political opponents at the table to get to a sharpening of the divide by the yes and no voters in the society. Today the Prime Minister an interview with the Aruban Prime Minister about this and the situation in the Kingdom.

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_57302.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Premier mat on research on corruption

May 29, 2009, 17:19 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - The MEP group wants as quickly as possible an emergency meeting in parliament about the corruption investigation, announced Dutch State Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten. It should be Prime Minister Nelson Oduber text and explanations. To this end, the entire MEP group yesterday made a request to States President Mervin Wyatt-Ras. Group Ady Thijssen (MEP) explains that during this meeting the Prime Minister should give an explanation on the contents of the letter that the Secretary of State on May 25 sent to the Lower House. The group also wants half, public meeting with Prime Minister Nelson Oduber (MEP) and the ministers Rudy Croes, Wever Booshi and Nilo Swaen present to discuss the letter. According to Thijssen Netherlands can not simply decide that the rights of another country of the Kingdom becomes. "The Dutch parliament is no Kingdom Parliament and should therefore not interfere in internal affairs of Aruba."

 

[Tamikosmom]

FOUR YEARS LATER ....

Aruba Date:  May 29, 2009
Aruba Time:  10:20 PM

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Joran van der Sloot - Witness Statement - May 31, 2005

Between 8 pm and 10 pm I went to play Black Jack. Next to me a girl was sitting. The girl started talking to me in English. The girl introduced herself but I did not recall her name. The girl told me that she together with around 150 schoolmates had traveled to Aruba. They had come to Aruba on a "Senior Trip".  She told me that she had lost the amount of us $360 and that that money belonged to her father. She wanted to win back that money in the casino because her father would be mad at her.  I had helped her gambling and she had won us $100,- She asked me how old I was. I answered her that I was 19 years old. She told me that she was 18 years old.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2876.0

[Helen Back]

Thanks Texasmom for the articles.

This circular argument among the politicians of the Netherlands and Aruba is such an old song.  Aruba claims it's autonomy in all areas except fiscal independence, whereby the taxpayers of the Netherlands always have to foot the bill.  Must be getting old for them, too.

It seems that because I posted an article regarding Hero Brinkman's continuing charges of corruption in the Antilles, that some may think I am a proponent of Hero Brinkman.  I simply posted the article because it discusses the corruption in Aruba and the Antilles, and I LOVE when that happens.

IMO, most politicians do a lot of talking, and not much else.   

I do appreciate when anyone calls attention to corruption, wherever it exists.

I do believe that the corruption and dirty secrets on Aruba are at the heart of the cover up and denial of truth and justice for Natalee Holloway and will be exposed.  I don't believe that it will be the direct result of efforts by any politicians, especially those of the Netherlands.

It's simply a matter of time before criminals and their dirty deeds are exposed.  I hope they are sweating.  I wish that today was the day, but I can wait.

I am patient.


 

[Tamikosmom]

FOUR YEARS LATER ....

Aruba Date:  May 29, 2009
Aruba Time:  10:30 PM

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Katherine (Madison) Whatley
FBI Statement
July 12, 2005

After swimming at the hotel on Sunday, WHATLEY and other classmates, including HOLLOWAY, ate dinner at a restaurant next to the hotel. After dinner they went to the casino at the hotel. A few classmates were gambling at a card table along with an "older man" and YURON VAN DER SLOOT. (Whatley 302)

[Tamikosmom]

FOUR YEARS LATER ....

Aruba Date:  May 29, 2009
Aruba Time:  10:35 PM

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'Rita Cosby Live & Direct' - Septermber 20, 2005

BETH HOLLOWAY TWITTY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S MOTHER: I don‘t think there was ever a question that Joran and Paulus Van Der Sloot had been in that Excelsior Casino, and  particularly, on the night of the 29th where he and his father met Natalee. 

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/9407728/

[texasmom]

Jen,
Just wanted to make sure you saw a couple posts from last night on this page.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4995.1160

 

Yes, thankies texasmom - I certainly did.

But my attempts at understanding papi leave a LOT to be desired. 

What were they being honored for?

Jen, I certainly don't have a "good" understanding of the language either.   

I've seen Sandy Leiva on today, maybe if she has time she will tell us more about what the article says...and what it means in her opinion.  I haven't seen Cageman lately, if he stops in maybe he could help too! 

My understanding of this article is that "Sony" who was a "leader of the district" for the MEP party; is now along with his family supporting the AVP party.  At the end of the article I think they are having some kind of party tonight (of all nights) , maybe a support the AVP Party party?  I dunno!

One translation says "Parade", so maybe there's a parade tonight?

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Papiamentu translation:

sony vrolijk ex leader of district of mep owing to lever flag of avp past owing to uni his self at the team cu of berdad have the vision y love for we people

yesterday tardi at home of sony vrolijk at shiribana, everybody can owing to see the flag berde of avp bay air. in one ambiente festivo sony vrolijk y all his family owing to ricibi otmar oduber, benny sevinger y one are big of sostenedornan of the faction berde for so arise for previous to trip at his cas the flag of avp. dirigiendo his self at esnan present, past owing to calling everybody welcome at name of his father y mother at they cas at paradera. past owing to tell “awe aruba is bay achieve know what color sony is. all is ask about, all is happen, they do not see nothing y much owing to come, they all is welcome, i have sit talk y bisanan they berdad, tell cos as is. my wanted for everybody know anything, sony is man of one word so”. sony conoce otmar because; carnavalista for much year end y the know much good that the is. at feburary during carnaval, sony owing to tell otmar cu the is bay yude the eleccion here. “mi is bay cu otmar all out. yesterday at 4 month we is vote. today at 4 month i am believe cu we can canta victoria y we will is satisfecho of can achieve one gobierno new cu is work for her country aki”, was words of sony vrolijk. otmar oduber of his near owing to indica cu for all esnan of avp is one honor for ricibi catherine (mama), chinto (tata), sony, rudy y dwin kendenan is one sample of the cambio cu people of aruba is anhela. for come cu one cambio on the problemanan of inseguridad cu have at aruba, criminalidad cu is aumenta, ladronicia, posicion social of we hendenan cu coin do not arrive, same cu is the situation of we turism. refiriendo his self at sony otmar owing to tell cu the is one person cu together cu his family for much year owing to stay much loyal at the faction cu they owing to sostene in pasado y today did take the decision of change of direction mirando one country cu do not progresa, mirando one country cu have to of one cambio for of the form ey bring felicidad at all aruba. “pesey pami today is more cu one honor y contento cu we is inicia the proceso here cu one child of paradera, one family of paradera cu cual some day happen we owing to celebra the boda berde of 55 year y today we is arise the flag here at inicio of paradera. here at paradera, same cu at all aruba are you feel one breath new is bezig is come on aruba, sperando here 4 month exactly we can celebra y tomorrow here 4 month we will is in the parada of victoria celebrando the victoria of aruba y of people aruban avp”. benny sevinger of his near owing to tell cu for avp is one proud y placer for is present during the celebracion of hisamento of flag. “mi is believe cu this is one message cu sony is send for people of aruba, mustrando cu cos is bad y hour cu cos is bad do you have cu send the message y contribui at same instant for fix this. by of join the team of otmar sony will bay contribui directo in the cambionan cu faction avp will bay haci in the proximo gobierno”. sony vrolijk y his family now is form part of family of avp, the family of people of aruba cu diabierna now, 29 of half, will is celebrando aperture of they cas of faction at paradera, cuminsando for 6’or of nightfall.
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I'm pretty sure... that this article was of the 55th anniversary celebration of Chinto and Catherine Vrolijk.

I posted it because at least one face seemed very familiar!    


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Papiamentu translation:

chinto y catharina vrolijk owing to celebra they boda of emerald

after owing to gradici god cu one sand sacrificio of catholic cu did take lugar diabierne ultimo at catholic santa filomena at paradera, diadomingo owing to organisa one berdadero party at turibana. all this for conmemora the mature cu generoso (chinto) vrolijk y catharina vrolijk-britten 55 year happen owing to enter in the boat matrimonial. of the form here owing to celebra they boda of emerald. as chinto y catharina owing to give of conoce, cu good god owing to calling they for live in estado matrimonial 55 year happen. thanks for owing to haci they matrimonio feliz. thanks for owing to let always the love among they stay always fervoroso y solido. thanks for owing to haci they love so strong, cu durnate the 55 year here felicidad of another was always dispuesto at pordona y forget miss y debilidadnan of another. this t’e éxito of they matrimonio. once more, recibi we felicitacion of awemainta n’e pareha here, ehempel for much.

[Blonde]

We Won't Forget You Natalee

[Tamikosmom]

We Won't Forget You Natalee

 

[Tamikosmom]

TRUTH & JUSTICE FOR NATALEE!

A LIFE FOREVER CHANGED

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 23:  Rested and refreshed, we leave Memphis late Monday morning with Linda driving and Marilyn up front with her.  I take the backseat.  We sail along, chatting like we alway do, talking about our plans for another road trip one day soon.  Marilyn and I are happily speculating about what our daughters' reactions will be when they open their presents to find a set of extraordinary Wizard of Oz figures.  Natalee will gasp with excitement when she sees these.  Before we know it, we've crossed over into Mississippi.  Somewhere amid our conversation, between the chuckles and the small talk, my cell phone rings. I don't recognize the number, but answer it anyway, which I usually don't do.

It's a young girl.  "Mrs. Twitty?  My mom ... umm ... my mom, she umm ... wants to talk to you."  It's the daughter of Judi, the travel agent.  She developed appendicitis right before the trip, so she and Jodi didn't get to go to Aruba.  They are in Birmingham.  It seems like an eternity before Jodi takes the phone.

"Tell me what's going on," I say in a voice much firmer than the one I usually hear coming from my mouth.

She simply says, "Natalee didn't show up this morning to get on the plane."

And instantly I know.  It's more than a mother's intuition.  It's certainty.  Something terrible has happened.  I have just answered the proverbial dreaded phone call that no mother or father every wants to receive.   The one we fear from the moment our children are born.  The one that changes a parent's life forever.

[Helen Back]

Thanks, Blonde and Janet and Texasmom for the reminders of Natalee and Beth. 

They are the reason we are here FOUR YEARS LATER!  And why we will be here tomorrow.

 

Helen Back

[Miss-Underestimated]

Unreal, four years later and no justice.  Someday, the truth will be known.  Until then Aruba, bathes in her filth.

[SuzieQ]

It is officially May 30, 2009, FOUR years. FOUR fn years.

Love you Natalee, Beth and Matt.

[Tamikosmom]

Loving Natalee - Beth Holloway

Page 231:  The hope that filled Natalee's heart fills mine, and I will press on.  Faith got me up this morning, and faith will see me through tomorrow.  And the next day.  And the next.  I love Natalee and miss her very much.  And still fantasize about the possibility that one day a call will come telling me that I need to go to the island.  To get her.  I want to always be prepared for that imaginary call.  So I keep my passport with me at all times.  And right next to mine is Natalee's.

Just in case.

[texasmom]

Truth & Justice for Natalee!

 

[2NJSons_Mom]

Thanks, Blonde and Janet and Texasmom for the reminders of Natalee and Beth. 

They are the reason we are here FOUR YEARS LATER!  And why we will be here tomorrow.

 

Helen Back

I agree, and Janet's last post #1333 created that lump in my throat & eyes teary. 

[Keepthefaith]

Truth & Justice for Natalee!

 

 

[billb's daughter]

Ktf...
Lakers in 6!....

[Keepthefaith]

ARUBA

ONE CORRUPT ISLAND

NATALEE HOLLOWAY WILL FOREVER SHINE ON YOUR DARK ISLAND

 

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[Keepthefaith]

Ktf...
Lakers in 6!....

Am i talking with Kobe? Kobe really stepped up individually,as well as collectively with his team...Kudos to Kobe,BillB,as well as The lakers!Don't forget you got one of our washington boys sitten on the bench in street clothes.. Adam Morrrison....