Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 - 6/10/09

[Keepthefaith]

The thing I found MOST interesting in the response was...I don't recall Natalee's case being mentioned at all in the letter he's responding to.

 

Now That's Interesting! 

I wonder at what point,will Paulus and family not feel safe on that island??Honestly.These underworld people,at some point or another,have got to be getting tired of the light that forever shines on Aruba due to the Deviants pawned off by the Netherlands..

[Keepthefaith]

JUSTICE FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KEEPTHEFAITH

[hotping]

Oops...Almost forgot to ask.....Do either of You know how to look up addresses in Aruba? 

The white pages, or that listing of that is I think of registered voters (I haven't used that in a while...I forget how to look it up).  I'll try to find it if you need me to.

That's OK TM...I'm really tired and I will see what I can find tomorrow (later today)

Good Night! 

[texasmom]

The thing I found MOST interesting in the response was...I don't recall Natalee's case being mentioned at all in the letter he's responding to.

 

Now That's Interesting! 

I wonder at what point,will Paulus and family not feel safe on that island??Honestly.These underworld people,at some point or another,have got to be getting tired of the light that forever shines on Aruba due to the Deviants pawned off by the Netherlands..

I've been wondering that for a LONG time too!   

Only thing I can figure, is Papa Vandersloot is "high ranking" in the underworld too!   

[texasmom]

Good Night KTF and Hotping!   

[texasmom]

Truth & Justice for Natalee!

 

[Tamikosmom]

Guess I'm out of the loop...it's okay....I'm here everyday regardless.

Justice for Natalee Holloway.

(TM, thanks for bringing that post/map over for hotping....  )

Out of the loop?  Not you....ever, 2NJ!  If you're talking about Janet's adventure today...she'd posted about it earlier today before she left...just go back 2 or three pages I think!   

About the map for hotping...you're welcome, I was glad to help!   

I meant Magnolia visiting Washington state....I missed that.   

My memory must be fading.  It was not Magnolia who was going to wave to me from across the border ... it was AZSunny.

AZSunny has been missing for quite a while.

 

 A cuppa of her sweet tea would hit the spot right now.

Janet

++++++

I am heading to Washington State on Thursday to be Grandma for about 5 days while my son takes his wife to Ireland.  Then the other grandma takes over.    I am bringing my sweaters...it was 107 here today.... I will be freezing my bootie off!  I will wave to you!

[Tamikosmom]

I suspect that the Marco's tip had a direct connection with John Silvetti wanting to get Tim Miller off the Persistence following the December 30th visual dive.  Tim saw the ROV images from the December 29th ROV dive and ... was convinced by Kyle Kingman that there were remains in that trap.

Think about it.  The Natalee Holloway case is Aruba's investigation.  Why were the detectives not following up on this tip.  Why were Tim Miller and Dave Holloway following this tip on their own?  It does not make sense.

Janet

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KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:   After the Dec 30th dive John [Silvetti] didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability. I don't know what that exactly means, but Tim wasn't hurting anything except releasing the statements to the press and Holloways that we found Natalee.

Kyle Kingman: He (Tim Miller) stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan to follow up on the false lead in Costa Rica IIRC.

Kyle Kingman:  I hadn't slept in 48 hours. I crashed for a few hours rest and by the time I got up Dateline and Tim Miller had left the boat. That is when John [Silvetti] assumed full control over the remainder of the project and had us searching in the deepest portions of our search area which coincided with Richardson's remarks. Richardson told us after the Jan-7th dive to keep searching in deep water.

Kyle Kingman:  It's unanimous that Tim M. should never have told Dave and Beth anything about the trap until it's contents were forensically examined.  After the diver visual inspection of the trap he was obligated to report what the Aruban divers reported because although limited, it's the only information he had and the family rightfully wanted answers. It was a royal mess.

Kyle Kingman:   On the night of the 30th (I believe this was Tim's last night on the Persistence) I approached Tim and proposed some ideas to him. I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about it.

Kyle Kingman: I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive. John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again. Of course this didn't set well with me.

[Edward]

ME THINKS IT'S TIME FOR A MUPPET SHOW.......

 

 
 
 
 

 
 
 
 

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I have been trying to make the "pyramid" scroll! 

 
 
 
 

 
 
 
 

This is`great 

[Tamikosmom]

A REMINDER

The search for Natalee Holloway

TRANSCRIPT
By Chris Hansen
Correspondent
NBC News
updated 5:20 p.m. PT, Fri., Feb. 22, 2008

This bizarre story originated in the central American nation of Nicaragua.

It happened last month, when Natalee’s father Dave received a message from a man who called himself Marcos. He said he had important information about where they could find Natalee's body.

Dave Holloway: He said, "I’d done some wrongs in my past," and he said, "This is my way of making all of my wrongs and all of my sins and doing something right."

Dave was skeptical, but the phone and e-mail messages continued.

In them was a wild tale involving drug runners who said that on the night Natalee disappeared someone had paid them to take her body and dump it at sea.

They agreed but instead they took her remains with them to Nicaragua and hid them on a remote strip of the Atlantic coast.

Dave Holloway: It was a little bit far-fetched for me.

Chris Hansen: What did he want in return?

Dave Holloway: He told us he didn't want anything. And that is what part I started believing in this guy. I said we've got a reward out here.

In January, Dave Holloway asked Tim Miller to head to Nicaragua to arrange for a meeting...and to Miller's surprise, Marcos showed up.

Marcos: I didn't live an, um, exemplary life. I did a lot of wrong things and maybe this is just one way of trying to even up the, the score a little bit.

Marcos wouldn't allow his face to appear on camera, but he agreed to talk to Miller and even officials from the US embassy.

Chris Hansen: And what was the person from the embassy's take?

Tim Miller: The person from the embassy said, "You know what? I think we may have something here."

Together, Miller and Marcos came up with a plan: Marcos would take a GPS receiver to the location and leave it there. Miller, accompanied by local officials would follow the signal to the location and begin to dig.

The next morning Miller's phone rang. It was Marcos. The search, he said, had been a success. But there had been a change in plans. He had the body and would bring it to them in Managua.

Marcos: Tonight before the sun is up, we will be in Managua.

Tim Miller: He says that she was wrapped in a blanket and her body fell apart. He said, "but we had to put her in two ice chests." And he actually said, "call Mr. Holloway right now and tell him I’ve got Natalee."

Chris Hansen: So what do you do?

Tim Miller: I did not call Dave Holloway to say I have the body.

Chris Hansen: You've been down that road before.

Tim Miller: I’ve been down that road before.

Chris Hansen: Did you believe him?

Tim Miller: This time, I believed him.

But after waiting all night for Marcos to appear at the arranged location -- nothing.

Marcos never appeared again and Tim Miller and Dave Holloway are convinced Marcos pulled off an incredibly cruel hoax.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/5/

[nonesuche]

The thing I found MOST interesting in the response was...I don't recall Natalee's case being mentioned at all in the letter he's responding to.

 

Now That's Interesting! 

I wonder at what point,will Paulus and family not feel safe on that island??Honestly.These underworld people,at some point or another,have got to be getting tired of the light that forever shines on Aruba due to the Deviants pawned off by the Netherlands..

I've been wondering that for a LONG time too!   

Only thing I can figure, is Papa Vandersloot is "high ranking" in the underworld too!   

He was over contracts for the island for years, he likely has smut on the entire corrupt food chain. I expect they can't know what 'bombs' he might have go off should anything happen to him? The art of war.........

[nonesuche]

Hi Janet-

I had not seen that specific article but thank you for reposting it. I do not know how Tim Miller endures the likes of Marcos, what torment that must be. To think some person without a soul would WANT Dave Holloway to be told his daughter's body had fallen to pieces that way???? Only utter scum and freaks would do that, a category I put Caps into now too.

[Tamikosmom]

Good Morning None.

That thing called a job and ... must be keeping you busy or ... has that tall good looking European entered the picture.

 

I miss ya.

Janet

[texasmom]

The thing I found MOST interesting in the response was...I don't recall Natalee's case being mentioned at all in the letter he's responding to.

 

Now That's Interesting! 

I wonder at what point,will Paulus and family not feel safe on that island??Honestly.These underworld people,at some point or another,have got to be getting tired of the light that forever shines on Aruba due to the Deviants pawned off by the Netherlands..

I've been wondering that for a LONG time too!   

Only thing I can figure, is Papa Vandersloot is "high ranking" in the underworld too!   

He was over contracts for the island for years, he likely has smut on the entire corrupt food chain. I expect they can't know what 'bombs' he might have go off should anything happen to him? The art of war.........

So true Nonesuche!  And that fact, which I'm sure Nelson Oduber is not oblivious to; makes his statement to Dave Holloway "No one is above the law" a big fat lie.  And Nel knew it when he said it!  He just assumed this family would give up and go away like all the others and he wouldn't have to worry about it much longer. 

Wrong again Nel!

 

It's good to see you Nonesuche!  I hope all is good with you and yours!   

[texasmom]

Guess I'm out of the loop...it's okay....I'm here everyday regardless.

Justice for Natalee Holloway.

(TM, thanks for bringing that post/map over for hotping....  )

Out of the loop?  Not you....ever, 2NJ!  If you're talking about Janet's adventure today...she'd posted about it earlier today before she left...just go back 2 or three pages I think!   

About the map for hotping...you're welcome, I was glad to help!   

I meant Magnolia visiting Washington state....I missed that.   

My memory must be fading.  It was not Magnolia who was going to wave to me from across the border ... it was AZSunny.

AZSunny has been missing for quite a while.

 

 A cuppa of her sweet tea would hit the spot right now.

Janet

++++++

I am heading to Washington State on Thursday to be Grandma for about 5 days while my son takes his wife to Ireland.  Then the other grandma takes over.    I am bringing my sweaters...it was 107 here today.... I will be freezing my bootie off!  I will wave to you!

Thanks Janet!  After reading AZSunny's post, I do remember reading that when she posted it! 

Hopefully she'll be back soon!   

[texasmom]

I suspect that the Marco's tip had a direct connection with John Silvetti wanting to get Tim Miller off the Persistence following the December 30th visual dive.  Tim saw the ROV images from the December 29th ROV dive and ... was convinced by Kyle Kingman that there were remains in that trap.

Think about it.  The Natalee Holloway case is Aruba's investigation.  Why were the detectives not following up on this tip.  Why were Tim Miller and Dave Holloway following this tip on their own?  It does not make sense.

Janet

++++++


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:   After the Dec 30th dive John [Silvetti] didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability. I don't know what that exactly means, but Tim wasn't hurting anything except releasing the statements to the press and Holloways that we found Natalee.

Kyle Kingman: He (Tim Miller) stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan to follow up on the false lead in Costa Rica IIRC.

Kyle Kingman:  I hadn't slept in 48 hours. I crashed for a few hours rest and by the time I got up Dateline and Tim Miller had left the boat. That is when John [Silvetti] assumed full control over the remainder of the project and had us searching in the deepest portions of our search area which coincided with Richardson's remarks. Richardson told us after the Jan-7th dive to keep searching in deep water.

Kyle Kingman:  It's unanimous that Tim M. should never have told Dave and Beth anything about the trap until it's contents were forensically examined.  After the diver visual inspection of the trap he was obligated to report what the Aruban divers reported because although limited, it's the only information he had and the family rightfully wanted answers. It was a royal mess.

Kyle Kingman:   On the night of the 30th (I believe this was Tim's last night on the Persistence) I approached Tim and proposed some ideas to him. I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about it.

Kyle Kingman: I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive. John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again. Of course this didn't set well with me.

Because ALE KNEW it was bogus!   

[2NJSons_Mom]

Hey Monkeys

I was just googling and I googled JD Silvetti Aruba and one of the websites was

 http://www.jdsilvetti.com/arubanews.html

But none of the links work......I wonder why   ...lol 

Various News Articles

 

The Daily Iberian

The Daily Advertiser

The Dario (Aruban)

The Press Enterprise

I don't remember if they were there before, to be honest.  Looks like the redirect to the links isn't in the code.   It's been a few years since I tested web pages, so I may not be totally correct on that...jmo.   

[Tamikosmom]

Guess I'm out of the loop...it's okay....I'm here everyday regardless.

Justice for Natalee Holloway.

(TM, thanks for bringing that post/map over for hotping....  )

Out of the loop?  Not you....ever, 2NJ!  If you're talking about Janet's adventure today...she'd posted about it earlier today before she left...just go back 2 or three pages I think!   

About the map for hotping...you're welcome, I was glad to help!   

I meant Magnolia visiting Washington state....I missed that.   

My memory must be fading.  It was not Magnolia who was going to wave to me from across the border ... it was AZSunny.

AZSunny has been missing for quite a while.

 

 A cuppa of her sweet tea would hit the spot right now.

Janet

++++++

I am heading to Washington State on Thursday to be Grandma for about 5 days while my son takes his wife to Ireland.  Then the other grandma takes over.    I am bringing my sweaters...it was 107 here today.... I will be freezing my bootie off!  I will wave to you!

Thanks Janet!  After reading AZSunny's post, I do remember reading that when she posted it! 

Hopefully she'll be back soon!   

My recollections for the most part are based on word associations.  However ... this time my method of recollection failed.  I learned that "Sweaters" and "Magnolia" do not alway equate.

 

Anyways ... maybe AZSunny absence implies she fell in love with Washington State and ... decided to take up residence.  It makes sense when you consider her grandchildren and her next door neighbour who resides in the Fraser Valley of British Columbia ... Tamikosmom.

 

Have a good day Monkeys.

Janet

[2NJSons_Mom]

Hey Monkeys

I was just googling and I googled JD Silvetti Aruba and one of the websites was

 http://www.jdsilvetti.com/arubanews.html

But none of the links work......I wonder why   ...lol 

Various News Articles

 

The Daily Iberian

The Daily Advertiser

The Dario (Aruban)

The Press Enterprise

hmmm....seems like they must've disabled the links; they seem to go to pdf files that I think are linked to their site and not the actual papers.

figures!  

Me thinks it's just a web screw up.  There is no point not having them redirect to the pdf files.  Someone reading here will fix them, imo.   

[texasmom]

 
Amazing...just what Aruba needs right now.  But it seems to be "Nel's baby", and it also seems that he would probably sell his soul (if he hasn't already) to get it done!  JMO


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