Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 - 6/10/09

[Tamikosmom]

Making sense?What are your thoughts Janet.If you care to share them at this time?I'm still struggling wholeheartedly with Dave Holloway,not so much Robin..What is their purpose for communicating with these miscreant of Aruba.It sure the hell isn't about justice because you won't get it from Aruba...Period.So what for???AHHHHHHHHH...

In 2006 Dave wrote a book ... "Corruption in Paradise".  He acknowledged the coverup role of those within the Aruban Law Enforcement ... the ATA/AHATA ... the Dutch/Aruban administrations and ... the judiciary ... in regards to disappearance of his daughter.

I cannot comprehend how anybody can give Dave Holloway a pass when the outcome of the Persistence undertaking is considered and ... John Silvetti's failure to ensure in the planning stages that an FBI presence would be allowed on board the ship if requested.  Without this assurance the eventual negative outcome was a given.

I cannot comprehend how anybody can give Dave Holloway a pass when his connection with Mark Purcell is considered in regards to the events which were obviously meant to distract from the contents of the trap ... events that involved the ATA/AHATA.

Back in the fall of 2006 ... following his connection with Mark Purcell ... Dave Holloway was made aware of past posts which Purcell had submitted to various forums dispicably undermining Beth, Jug, Natalee, the MB students as well as Dave himself.  Dave was made aware of posts which lifted Julie Renfro onto a Pedestal.  Dave was also made aware of the posts Mark submitted upholding the investigation as well as the main suspects.

In Robin Holloway's own updates on BFN ... she shared how Mark Purcell was following up on "tips" that Dave would receive.  To me ... it defied logic for the longest time.

Even with backup ... if I shared why it all now makes sense to me ... there would be Monkeys on this forum who would go up one side of me and down the other insisting that Dave Holloway is only guilty of naivity ... only guilty of not standing up to a domineering wife whose hate for her husband's exwife exceed the love for her stepdaughter.  However ... I give Dave Holloway soo much more credit.

The foundation of my logic to research this topic took root when it dawned on me that the darkside forums which undermine Beth and Jug are the same forums that uphold Dave and Robin.  I asked myself.  Why?

Janet

[Tamikosmom]

I am not sure if any of the Monkeys followed the ongoing debate I had with Charlierat on the Lifetime forum a few weeks back.

I quoted time and time from Dave's book which was released in 2006 prior to the Mark Purcell connection.  I also quoted time and time again from Beth's book with was released in 2007.  The perception given by both of Natalee's parents in their respective books was that a corrupt Aruban investigation ... a corrupt Aruban investigation that involved the participation of the ALE, the prosecution, the ATA/AHATA, the Dutch/Aruban administrations as well as the judiciary ... was preventing justice from prevailing for their daughter.  The perception of their respective books was that Aruba's underground economy encompassing drugs, alcohol, gambling as well as the sex trade made Aruba an unsafe travel destination for unsuspecting tourists.

Well ... Charlierat informed me that Loving Natalee was 90% fiction with an agenda to encourage other to boycott Aruba while ... on the other hand ... Corruption in Paradise was not written by Dave Holloway at all.  It was Larry Garrison's creation.

This is what I mean which I state that the darkside which undermines Beth Holloway's every word, action and motivation ... at the same time ... upholds Dave Holloway while implying his original position on the issues encompassing the Aruban investigation has changed.

Janet

[Keepthefaith]

Making sense?What are your thoughts Janet.If you care to share them at this time?I'm still struggling wholeheartedly with Dave Holloway,not so much Robin..What is their purpose for communicating with these miscreant of Aruba.It sure the hell isn't about justice because you won't get it from Aruba...Period.So what for???AHHHHHHHHH...

In 2006 Dave wrote a book ... "Corruption in Paradise".  He acknowledged the coverup role of those within the Aruban Law Enforcement ... the ATA/AHATA ... the Dutch/Aruban administrations and ... the judiciary ... in regards to disappearance of his daughter.

I cannot comprehend how anybody can give Dave Holloway a pass when the outcome of the Persistence undertaking is considered and ... John Silvetti's failure to ensure in the planning stages that an FBI presence would be allowed on board the ship if requested.  Without this assurance the eventual negative outcome was a given.

I cannot comprehend how anybody can give Dave Holloway a pass when his connection with Mark Purcell is considered in regards to the events which were obviously meant to distract from the contents of the trap ... events that involved the ATA/AHATA.

Back in the fall of 2006 ... following his connection with Mark Purcell ... Dave Holloway was made aware of past posts which Purcell had submitted to various forums dispicably undermining Beth, Jug, Natalee, the MB students as well as Dave himself.  Dave was made aware of posts which lifted Julie Renfro onto a Pedestal.  Dave was also made aware of the posts Mark submitted upholding the investigation as well as the main suspects.

In Robin Holloway's own updates on BFN ... she shared how Mark Purcell was following up on "tips" that Dave would receive.  To me ... it defied logic for the longest time.

Even with backup ... if I shared why it all now makes sense to me ... there would be Monkeys on this forum who would go up one side of me and down the other insisting that Dave Holloway is only guilty of naivity ... only guilty of not standing up to a domineering wife whose hate for her husband's exwife exceed the love for her stepdaughter.  However ... I give Dave Holloway soo much more credit.

The foundation of my logic to research this topic took root when it dawned on me that the darkside forums which undermine Beth and Jug are the same forums that uphold Dave and Robin.  I asked myself.  Why?

Janet

Thank You Janet!

I understand and agree.Why has Dave Holloway not spoken up and admonished anyone that has undermined Natalee,Beth,and or Jug?Obviously they aren't at one in regards to there feelings about Aruba & Justice...JMOO..

[Tamikosmom]

Thank you Keepthefaith.

Janet

[Keepthefaith]

Thank you Keepthefaith.

Janet

We are here for Truth & Justice for Natalee Holloway..Wherever that takes us,and i mean wherever....JMOO

[Tamikosmom]

Making sense?What are your thoughts Janet.If you care to share them at this time?I'm still struggling wholeheartedly with Dave Holloway,not so much Robin..What is their purpose for communicating with these miscreant of Aruba.It sure the hell isn't about justice because you won't get it from Aruba...Period.So what for???AHHHHHHHHH...

In 2006 Dave wrote a book ... "Corruption in Paradise".  He acknowledged the coverup role of those within the Aruban Law Enforcement ... the ATA/AHATA ... the Dutch/Aruban administrations and ... the judiciary ... in regards to disappearance of his daughter.

I cannot comprehend how anybody can give Dave Holloway a pass when the outcome of the Persistence undertaking is considered and ... John Silvetti's failure to ensure in the planning stages that an FBI presence would be allowed on board the ship if requested.  Without this assurance the eventual negative outcome was a given.

I cannot comprehend how anybody can give Dave Holloway a pass when his connection with Mark Purcell is considered in regards to the events which were obviously meant to distract from the contents of the trap ... events that involved the ATA/AHATA.

Back in the fall of 2006 ... following his connection with Mark Purcell ... Dave Holloway was made aware of past posts which Purcell had submitted to various forums dispicably undermining Beth, Jug, Natalee, the MB students as well as Dave himself.  Dave was made aware of posts which lifted Julie Renfro onto a Pedestal.  Dave was also made aware of the posts Mark submitted upholding the investigation as well as the main suspects.

In Robin Holloway's own updates on BFN ... she shared how Mark Purcell was following up on "tips" that Dave would receive.  To me ... it defied logic for the longest time.

Even with backup ... if I shared why it all now makes sense to me ... there would be Monkeys on this forum who would go up one side of me and down the other insisting that Dave Holloway is only guilty of naivity ... only guilty of not standing up to a domineering wife whose hate for her husband's exwife exceed the love for her stepdaughter.  However ... I give Dave Holloway soo much more credit.

The foundation of my logic to research this topic took root when it dawned on me that the darkside forums which undermine Beth and Jug are the same forums that uphold Dave and Robin.  I asked myself.  Why?

Janet

Thank You Janet!

I understand and agree.Why has Dave Holloway not spoken up and admonished anyone that has undermined Natalee,Beth,and or Jug?Obviously they aren't at one in regards to there feelings about Aruba & Justice...JMOO..

A comparison of Beth' Loving Natalee which was released in 2007 with Dave's Corruption in Paradise reveals that Dave was one with Natalee's mother on the issues at one time.  The two books compliment each other.  However ... it was within a few month of the release of Dave Holloway's book in 2006 that the Mark Purcell/ Reality/ Ramm connection took place.

Janet

[Keepthefaith]

My opinion simply put.Dave Holloway should make it LOUD & CLEAR that anyone that undermines Natalee,Beth and Jug,are not in pursuit of Justice..JMOO

[Tamikosmom]

My opinion simply put.Dave Holloway should make it LOUD & CLEAR that anyone that undermines Natalee,Beth and Jug,are not in pursuit of Justice..JMOO

... and upholds Julia Renfro as well as those who participated in the coverup agenda that has prevented justice from prevailing for Natalee Holloway since May 30, 2005.  There were those within the ALE, the prosecution, the ATA/AHATA, the judiciary as well as those who participated in the events that encompass the morning of May 30, 2005.

Then ... according to Kyle Kingman's own words ... there were those on board the Persistence ... John Silvetti, Tim Trahan ....

Janet

[wreck]

I wish I knew if the FBI (or anyone here in the US) is actually exploring the Persistence as we speak. Where's Kermit??

[Keepthefaith]

I wish I knew if the FBI (or anyone here in the US) is actually exploring the Persistence as we speak. Where's Kermit??

Great question Wreck!How about the SEC investigating Schaefer.The SEC is going after the CEO for the exact same thing Schaefer did.I do mean exact.I posted the article in the Oil & Gas thread..Kermit has probably locked herself/himself in a dungeon with at least 4 computers and is Diggging,Diggging and Digging..

[Keepthefaith]

I wish I knew if the FBI (or anyone here in the US) is actually exploring the Persistence as we speak. Where's Kermit??

Great question Wreck!How about the SEC investigating Schaefer.The SEC is going after the CEO of CountryWide for the exact same thing Schaefer did.I do mean exact.I posted the article in the Oil & Gas thread..Kermit has probably locked herself/himself in a dungeon with at least 4 computers and is Diggging,Diggging and Digging..

Correction added!

[wreck]

I wish I knew if the FBI (or anyone here in the US) is actually exploring the Persistence as we speak. Where's Kermit??

Great question Wreck!How about the SEC investigating Schaefer.The SEC is going after the CEO of CountryWide for the exact same thing Schaefer did.I do mean exact.I posted the article in the Oil & Gas thread..Kermit has probably locked herself/himself in a dungeon with at least 4 computers and is Diggging,Diggging and Digging..

Correction added!

I'm damned tired of waiting.

[Keepthefaith]

I wish I knew if the FBI (or anyone here in the US) is actually exploring the Persistence as we speak. Where's Kermit??

Great question Wreck!How about the SEC investigating Schaefer.The SEC is going after the CEO of CountryWide for the exact same thing Schaefer did.I do mean exact.I posted the article in the Oil & Gas thread..Kermit has probably locked herself/himself in a dungeon with at least 4 computers and is Diggging,Diggging and Digging..

Correction added!

I'm damned tired of waiting.

Me too Wreck..I do what i can by diggin up what my patience allows me too!

[2NJSons_Mom]

I wish I knew if the FBI (or anyone here in the US) is actually exploring the Persistence as we speak. Where's Kermit??

Great question Wreck!How about the SEC investigating Schaefer.The SEC is going after the CEO of CountryWide for the exact same thing Schaefer did.I do mean exact.I posted the article in the Oil & Gas thread..Kermit has probably locked herself/himself in a dungeon with at least 4 computers and is Diggging,Diggging and Digging..

Correction added!

I'm damned tired of waiting.

Me too Wreck..I do what i can by diggin up what my patience allows me too!

Yes, the clock is ticking but we're still here, digging and waiting.  We all get tired but are still here.  There has to be an answer....something....

[wreck]

I ain't goin' away -- but it sure would be nice to get a word of encouragement every once in awhile.

[wreck]

Is it just me, or is there new "anti-stacking" measures being taken??????  If I try to "stack" it won't let me add another post!!!

Billb!!!!!!!!!!!! HELP

[2NJSons_Mom]

Is it just me, or is there new "anti-stacking" measures being taken??????  If I try to "stack" it won't let me add another post!!!

Billb!!!!!!!!!!!! HELP

Not sure I know what the problem is.....

[Magnolia]

I ain't goin' away -- but it sure would be nice to get a word of encouragement every once in awhile.

I am not going away....still here everyday.  I just don't have much to say.
I am glad that a couple of those "bash Kermit" sites are gone.  That is a good sign.
Hello to all!

[2NJSons_Mom]

Is it just me, or is there new "anti-stacking" measures being taken??????  If I try to "stack" it won't let me add another post!!!

Billb!!!!!!!!!!!! HELP

Not sure I know what the problem is.....

I'll be heading out soon, but when I just posted, it didn't seem as though it would go through....I hit Back and it the post was there.    

[2NJSons_Mom]

I ain't goin' away -- but it sure would be nice to get a word of encouragement every once in awhile.

I am not going away....still here everyday.  I just don't have much to say.
I am glad that a couple of those "bash Kermit" sites are gone.  That is a good sign.
Hello to all!

Hello, Magnolia.  You know more than I.....didn't spend too much time checking.