Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 - 6/10/09

[2NJSons_Mom]

I don't have the screen shot of the TES donors (prior to the new website).  I was here during the discussion most recently, though, and do remember it.  We'll be going out within the hour.  If I find it, I'll bring it forward, or hope that someone else posts it, again.   

[Anna]

Please also keep in mind that Crazy was involved with the group of monkeys who decided to form a secret forum including Ringo and other troublemakers.  They made a direct feed to it from SM!  Red was upset when he found out.  They all got banned of course.  I think they were going after the reward personally and only those "in the Know" were allowed.  Crazy posted under a different name then.  Deepak was posting somewhere as her before so I have to wonder where her loyalties really lie.

Well, some of us begged that she be allowed back and she repaid up by stabbing us in the back royally first chance she got.  She has posted Dark Lard lies about me in musing, discussed my children with erroneous information, etc. there as well as here.

Some may be more forgiving than I am but I also have reason to believe she caused trouble for Tim Miller and almost got him kicked off the island at least once. I think she would do anything for attention and I also have reason to believe that she misrepresents herself and her position to others.


And let's just leave it at that.

 

[klaasend]

May have already been posted (I'm behind)
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3989161/__Nieuwe_aanklager_in_zaak-Holloway__.html?p=17,1

[2NJSons_Mom]

No luck, yet on the older TES sponsor page.....I even checked the web archive...nothing much there, especially after June,2005....it only goes to 2005, anyway.

http://web.archive.org/web/*/http:/www.texasequusearch.org/corporatesponsors.htm

BBL   

[Blue Moon]

May have already been posted (I'm behind)
http://www.telegraaf.nl/binnenland/3989161/__Nieuwe_aanklager_in_zaak-Holloway__.html?p=17,1

The first thing that a "new" prosecutor needs to do is question Mos about the contents of that cage and what happened to all the plastic bags filled with the likes of hermit crabs and empty space.  Once answers are forthcoming from Mos about this then they can work themselves backward to see what has been going on since day one 4 years ago.  Doesn't take a rocket scientist.  Heck, he can just come here and find out firsthand what is going on.

And I don't give Hotshot a pass on this.  She did start off trying to help but somewhere along the way she forgot who's  daughter this was and she inserted herself and quite possibly caused harm to this investigation by sticking her nose where it did not belong.  To name a few, Deepak, Satish, Dompig, Steve Croes, and on and on and on.  It is one thing to help but quite another to become obsessive with this and what her place was in all this.
JMO   

[Blue Moon]

Is this the donation page you are looking for?:

http://web.archive.org/web/20060109003306/www.texasequusearch.org/NataleeHollowaySupport.html

[Dolce]

Happy Memorial Day Weekend!  Sorry to barge in again to your conversation, but we are still working on writing the media for Amber DuBois.  Our mission is to get this missing child some media coverage as she has had zilch.  We are going to keep writing every day until our requests are heard.  Please take a moment to visit her thread and write a quick email on her behalf. 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4583.msg817947#msg817947

TIA

[finngirl]

Please also keep in mind that Crazy was involved with the group of monkeys who decided to form a secret forum including Ringo and other troublemakers.  They made a direct feed to it from SM!  Red was upset when he found out.  They all got banned of course.  I think they were going after the reward personally and only those "in the Know" were allowed.  Crazy posted under a different name then.  Deepak was posting somewhere as her before so I have to wonder where her loyalties really lie.

no, to the bolded

there was a group-within-the-group,
which became obvious very late in the game

most of the members were lied to/used:
it was promoted as research intensive
w/ minimal off-topic posting

members were recruited from numerous NH forums,
not just SM

blame belongs on the devious inner circle,
not the general membership

ITA: the elite were seeking fame/the reward
and using others to get them there

which is still happening

and let's just leave it at that 

[Keepthefaith]

I am not going to throw Hotshot under the bus. She did way too much before to try to find Natalee and maybe we could just leave it at that.

WoW..Seriously?Are you defending HotShot?

[Keepthefaith]

I am not going to throw Hotshot under the bus. She did way too much before to try to find Natalee and maybe we could just leave it at that.

WoW..Seriously?Are you defending HotShot?

Guess Kat_Gram didn't feel like answering the question....

[San]

I am not going to throw Hotshot under the bus. She did way too much before to try to find Natalee and maybe we could just leave it at that.

WoW..Seriously?Are you defending HotShot?

Guess Kat_Gram didn't feel like answering the question....

Kat_Gram is a long time member and she has stated her opinion on the matter which is fine.  We all have different opinions on certain people.

[Kat_Gram]

I am not going to throw Hotshot under the bus. She did way too much before to try to find Natalee and maybe we could just leave it at that.

WoW..Seriously?Are you defending HotShot?

I don't know if I defending Hotshot so much as not being happy with the way that persons are being disrepected. I did go and read Kathy's posts as suggested and frankly, it is all awful stuff. All of it, not just Hotshots. I am at a point here where I do not know who are the good posters and who are the bad ones. But, does it matter to getting justice for Natalee, no ! I have read way too much about this case and there is no way for any of the latest to be proved. I should just go back to lurk mode, too much has happened behind the scenes that I know nothing about. I popped in here today because it is four years since the Memorial Day weekend when Natalee went I was going to say missing, but she was murdered and I thought of that today and how sad.

[Keepthefaith]

I am not going to throw Hotshot under the bus. She did way too much before to try to find Natalee and maybe we could just leave it at that.

WoW..Seriously?Are you defending HotShot?

I don't know if I defending Hotshot so much as not being happy with the way that persons are being disrepected. I did go and read Kathy's posts as suggested and frankly, it is all awful stuff. All of it, not just Hotshots. I am at a point here where I do not know who are the good posters and who are the bad ones. But, does it matter to getting justice for Natalee, no ! I have read way too much about this case and there is no way for any of the latest to be proved. I should just go back to lurk mode, too much has happened behind the scenes that I know nothing about. I popped in here today because it is four years since the Memorial Day weekend when Natalee went I was going to say missing, but she was murdered and I thought of that today and how sad.

Thanx for the response!What is it that can't be proved?

[texasmom]

I am not going to throw Hotshot under the bus. She did way too much before to try to find Natalee and maybe we could just leave it at that.

WoW..Seriously?Are you defending HotShot?

I don't know if I defending Hotshot so much as not being happy with the way that persons are being disrepected. I did go and read Kathy's posts as suggested and frankly, it is all awful stuff. All of it, not just Hotshots. I am at a point here where I do not know who are the good posters and who are the bad ones. But, does it matter to getting justice for Natalee, no ! I have read way too much about this case and there is no way for any of the latest to be proved. I should just go back to lurk mode, too much has happened behind the scenes that I know nothing about. I popped in here today because it is four years since the Memorial Day weekend when Natalee went I was going to say missing, but she was murdered and I thought of that today and how sad.

Thanks for going back and reading Kat_Gram.  So much has happened, that some of us that are here a lot aren't sure who the good posters and bad posters are sometimes.  Too many games being played, from here to Aruba.  When you made your post about Hotshot, I knew you either hadn't followed closely recently...or we were in for yet another game.  I'm thankful it wasn't another game, I'm tired of them.

Yes, it's very sad that it's been four years and Natalee's still not home.  Four years, and no one is charged with the crimes against her. 

I hope you won't consider the questions about your post an attack and stay away; or feel like you can only lurk.  As far as I'm concerned, you are welcome here. 

Truth and Justice for Natalee is what it's all about; and ALL of us dedicated to that effort need to stick together and work toward that goal.

JMO

[texasmom]

5/23/2009 Bondia Page 2

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saturday, 23 may 2009

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[Keepthefaith]

I trust in the fact that if i'm being disrespectful,a Monkey is more then welcome to let me know!If in any way,shape or form,i'm taking away from the focus of Justice for Natalee Holloway,feel free to let me know as well.

[Blue Moon]

Is this the donation page you are looking for?:

http://web.archive.org/web/20060109003306/www.texasequusearch.org/NataleeHollowaySupport.html

BUMP..............................

[wreck]

I trust in the fact that if i'm being disrespectful,a Monkey is more then welcome to let me know!If in any way,shape or form,i'm taking away from the focus of Justice for Natalee Holloway,feel free to let me know as well.

I have no problem with anyone asking questions of ANYONE these days. It is sad that it has come to this, but that is where we are. For the people that are regulars here, we have become jaded by a select few that we THOUGHT we knew for the past 4 years. For those lurkers that have somehow missed the turmoil here for the last several months, I humbly ask that you read back and try to understand where we are coming from.

[Kat_Gram]

It's the Silvetti issue. CAPS .. I stopped even doing just a quick speed read of his posts after reading a few of his fanastic theories. 
With Hotshot and others, they were such good Monks and I am saddend that it all came to this for whatever reason. I know that some of you have more knowledge of what went on behind the scenes and had contact with each other via emails and the telephone, etc.
I don't go to BFN any more, my password was deprecated last time I had computer issues and I didn't want to try to get it reactivated. GM, I really don't have the time.
I still think what we all thought four years ago. Can't see a new prosecutor laying any charges at this time. I just hope that the Dr. Phil lawsuit goes forward and we get some facts from Deepak or Satish. but there again, Aruba doesn't seem to want to press any charges against Sloot. As far as I was concerned Patrick van Der Emm's tape was good enough for serious charges becasie it had Joran speaking in his own words. Hopefully DeVries is in the background just waiting for an oportunity to nail the Sloots. 
As for Ms. Hotshot, I was surprised at the way she lashed out at people after I read her last posts. 

[Anna]

KatGram, you weren't half as surprised as I was, lol.  I wasn't even posting anything much at all.  Just sitting here minding my own more or less.

 

It was sort of like watching people just totally lose it over Caps.  And he was so obvious!  A theory a day.

I don't know what was in the fish trap.  And that's because only ALE was given access to the contents and they absconded pronto with whatever they recovered and now as far as I am concerned no one will ever know because they were allowed to do that.

I admit I was shocked to learn that was how that happened and I don't believe there is any way to recover from it as now all we will have is ALE's word for what was there.  I wish it had been handled much differently.

Private Eye tried to warn us.  I didn't get it at the time but now see what he was saying.

I can't imagine your posts would not always be welcome in the Natalee thread.  You have been here since very early on and I have always respected your opinion.