Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 - 6/10/09

[Anna]

Please also keep in mind that Crazy was involved with the group of monkeys who decided to form a secret forum including Ringo and other troublemakers.  They made a direct feed to it from SM!  Red was upset when he found out.  They all got banned of course.  I think they were going after the reward personally and only those "in the Know" were allowed.  Crazy posted under a different name then.  Deepak was posting somewhere as her before so I have to wonder where her loyalties really lie.

no, to the bolded

there was a group-within-the-group,
which became obvious very late in the game

most of the members were lied to/used:
it was promoted as research intensive
w/ minimal off-topic posting

members were recruited from numerous NH forums,
not just SM

blame belongs on the devious inner circle,
not the general membership

ITA: the elite were seeking fame/the reward
and using others to get them there

which is still happening

and let's just leave it at that 

Sounds about right.  I wasn't invited but did receive several emails trying to determine if I knew anything they didn't, etc.  I have never been a big joiner of lots of forums.  Contrary to some rumors, lol.

But I do remember you from so long ago before I could even find my way around a multi-thread forum when I had such concern and questions about a photo of Paulus in his getaway car and you helped me post the photo. 

Literally years ago but I never forget an act of kindness.

[texasmom]

It's the Silvetti issue. CAPS .. I stopped even doing just a quick speed read of his posts after reading a few of his fanastic theories. 
With Hotshot and others, they were such good Monks and I am saddend that it all came to this for whatever reason. I know that some of you have more knowledge of what went on behind the scenes and had contact with each other via emails and the telephone, etc.
I don't go to BFN any more, my password was deprecated last time I had computer issues and I didn't want to try to get it reactivated. GM, I really don't have the time.
I still think what we all thought four years ago. Can't see a new prosecutor laying any charges at this time. I just hope that the Dr. Phil lawsuit goes forward and we get some facts from Deepak or Satish. but there again, Aruba doesn't seem to want to press any charges against Sloot. As far as I was concerned Patrick van Der Emm's tape was good enough for serious charges becasie it had Joran speaking in his own words. Hopefully DeVries is in the background just waiting for an oportunity to nail the Sloots. 
As for Ms. Hotshot, I was surprised at the way she lashed out at people after I read her last posts. 

Do I understand correctly that you think we are being disrespectful of Silvetti? 

[wreck]

It's the Silvetti issue. CAPS .. I stopped even doing just a quick speed read of his posts after reading a few of his fanastic theories. 
With Hotshot and others, they were such good Monks and I am saddend that it all came to this for whatever reason. I know that some of you have more knowledge of what went on behind the scenes and had contact with each other via emails and the telephone, etc.
I don't go to BFN any more, my password was deprecated last time I had computer issues and I didn't want to try to get it reactivated. GM, I really don't have the time.
I still think what we all thought four years ago. Can't see a new prosecutor laying any charges at this time. I just hope that the Dr. Phil lawsuit goes forward and we get some facts from Deepak or Satish. but there again, Aruba doesn't seem to want to press any charges against Sloot. As far as I was concerned Patrick van Der Emm's tape was good enough for serious charges becasie it had Joran speaking in his own words. Hopefully DeVries is in the background just waiting for an oportunity to nail the Sloots. 
As for Ms. Hotshot, I was surprised at the way she lashed out at people after I read her last posts. 

Do I understand correctly that you think we are being disrespectful of Silvetti? 

I read her just the opposite. I THINK she is saying that Caps stories were "fantastic" (as in wild and exaggerated)

[Anna]

Is this the donation page you are looking for?:

http://web.archive.org/web/20060109003306/www.texasequusearch.org/NataleeHollowaySupport.html

Is this the donation page you are looking for?:

http://web.archive.org/web/20060109003306/www.texasequusearch.org/NataleeHollowaySupport.html

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Blue Moon,
Thanks for the link.  I wasn't the one wanting it so am not sure if that is the one requested or not.  It does show ATA as a contributor as well as a very complete list of individuals but no amounts. 

I wonder where the $10K figure came from originally?

[Kat_Gram]

No. The questions should be asked as to how they intended to have a good result with the Aruban divers taking the material. I am questioning the motives of Schaeffer, Trahan, Caps and Silvetti. And whoever got Dave to leave to see a person named Marcos.
It all just seems like a crap up, Aruban style.
..
The link that was posted, some of the posts were in musings and I didn't see the posts Hotshot made until today when I rushed in about throwing her under the bus.

[Kat_Gram]

Caps was way too wild in his theories and I stopped reading except doing the Evelyn Woods speed reading thing when he was a frequent poster.

[texasmom]

No. The questions should be asked as to how they intended to have a good result with the Aruban divers taking the material. I am questioning the motives of Schaeffer, Trahan, Caps and Silvetti. And whoever got Dave to leave to see a person named Marcos.
It all just seems like a crap up, Aruban style.
..
The link that was posted, some of the posts were in musings and I didn't see the posts Hotshot made until today when I rushed in about throwing her under the bus.

Thanks Kat_Gram.   

[Anna]

Some people seemed to jump under the bus themselves.  Repeatedly.

I don't really know why. 

[Kat_Gram]

Well goodnight all. I will be here tomorrow and most likely the day after that. You never know when something might actually happen on Aruba like issuing arrest warrants.

[Keepthefaith]

No. The questions should be asked as to how they intended to have a good result with the Aruban divers taking the material. I am questioning the motives of Schaeffer, Trahan, Caps and Silvetti. And whoever got Dave to leave to see a person named Marcos.
It all just seems like a crap up, Aruban style.
..
The link that was posted, some of the posts were in musings and I didn't see the posts Hotshot made until today when I rushed in about throwing her under the bus.

Thanks Kat_Gram.   

Ditto..

[Anna]

Off to watch a "surprise" movie friend brought over but I think it is comedy Get Smart as I overheard them discussing it.  At least it is not action adventure.

[Keepthefaith]

Well goodnight all. I will be here tomorrow and most likely the day after that. You never know when something might actually happen on Aruba like issuing arrest warrants.

Thanx for your responses and clarifications!

[Tamikosmom]

Well goodnight all. I will be here tomorrow and most likely the day after that. You never know when something might actually happen on Aruba like issuing arrest warrants.

Good Night Kat.

Janet
7:50 PM

[texasmom]

Well goodnight all. I will be here tomorrow and most likely the day after that. You never know when something might actually happen on Aruba like issuing arrest warrants.

Good Night Kat!   

[Tamikosmom]

REMINDER

JOHN SILVETTI - CONFLICT OF INTEREST?

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:  05/08/08 - John Silvetti told me today that he may be returning to Aruba very soon for a few days.

Kyle Kigman:  06/06/08 - Here's some interesting news: John goes to Aruba on Wednesday.

Kyle Kingman:  06/10/08 - He's (Silvetti) seriously making plans to open an Aruba office so he can conduct business easier in S. America and that would allow him to do that.

Kyle Kingman:  06/13/08 - John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

Kyle Kingman:  06/29/08 - I know John went to Aruba solely to find Natalee. He did make several comments about trying to land some work through contacts he met while in Aruba. This alone isn't a conflict of interest, but it tainted his focus in my opinion. I can't blame him for that, but he did take too much focus off the trap too soon. He claims to know a lot more than I do. I agree, but knowing more information from someone I don't trust is dangerous in my opinion. I'd rather know less lies

Kyle Kingman:  06/29/08 - I havn't heard John mention anything about the pipeline project. If it happens, I hope he's able to do the project. It would be great and his company would be in good position to bid on the job. It wasn't his purpose on going to Aruba.  ... Well, he's a pretty shrewd businessman and usually thinks at least three steps ahead. We'll see how this plays out.

[texasmom]

Is this the donation page you are looking for?:

http://web.archive.org/web/20060109003306/www.texasequusearch.org/NataleeHollowaySupport.html

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Thanks Blue Moon!   

[Tamikosmom]

Is this the donation page you are looking for?:

http://web.archive.org/web/20060109003306/www.texasequusearch.org/NataleeHollowaySupport.html

Thank you Blue Moon.

Was there another image that revealed a $10,000 from the ATA/AHATA?

Janet

[Blue Moon]

Is this the donation page you are looking for?:

http://web.archive.org/web/20060109003306/www.texasequusearch.org/NataleeHollowaySupport.html

Thank you Blue Moon.

Was there another image that revealed a $10,000 from the ATA/AHATA?

Janet

No, I looked and this was all there was.  Now I think there was a link somewhere that took you to an Aruba link and it had something about them donating but I don't believe anything to do with an amount.  So no, nothing listing the amount.

[Blue Moon]

Try this link Janet:

http://web.archive.org/web/20060209143737/www.aruba.com/holloway/index.htm

[Tamikosmom]

Is this the donation page you are looking for?:

http://web.archive.org/web/20060109003306/www.texasequusearch.org/NataleeHollowaySupport.html

Thank you Blue Moon.

Was there another image that revealed a $10,000 from the ATA/AHATA?

Janet

No, I looked and this was all there was.  Now I think there was a link somewhere that took you to an Aruba link and it had something about them donating but I don't believe anything to do with an amount.  So no, nothing listing the amount.

Thanks Blue Moon.

In April, 2008 ... John Silvetti implied that there would be a large donation forthcoming from the ATA/AHATA but ... there has been no more searching since.  I really want to find out if a donation was made to John Silvetti or TEA since the search ended well over a year ago.

Janet
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jdsurveyor1 Newbie Posts: 11
John Silvetti, the Persistence and the Search for Natalee «
Reply #13 on: April 03, 2008, 07:52:13 PM »

The important thing is to raise funds. It will require corporate support as well as private donations. Dave and Beth have been doing a great job getting the word out and while I was on the island, Dave put me in contact with the head of the Hotel Association who is working on raising a sizeable amount.  So many on the island are supporting our efforts as well as people from all over the world. The media really blew the cage out of proportion. Although the cage initially provided some moments of "what is in there", I warned all on board that none of this information was to leave the boat. It was very suspect that a cage of this size was found where it was on the seafloor relative to the coast. My feelings were this was highly unusual and probably had something to do with something, but not what we were after. It was decided that the cage would be investigated further by divers, however, it was designated as only a target of interest. The crew moved onto other targets. Unfortunately, inexperience and frustration led to premature statements, including that we had found her I don't think anyone was more upset than I that this information came off the boat and caused the Holloway family more grief!

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=8476.msg334979#msg334979