Natalee Case Discussion #819 5/17/09 - 6/10/09

[2NJSons_Mom]

Guess I'm out of the loop...it's okay....I'm here everyday regardless.

Justice for Natalee Holloway.

(TM, thanks for bringing that post/map over for hotping....  )

Out of the loop?  Not you....ever, 2NJ!  If you're talking about Janet's adventure today...she'd posted about it earlier today before she left...just go back 2 or three pages I think!   

About the map for hotping...you're welcome, I was glad to help!   

I meant Magnolia visiting Washington state....I missed that.   

My memory must be fading.  It was not Magnolia who was going to wave to me from across the border ... it was AZSunny.

AZSunny has been missing for quite a while.

 

 A cuppa of her sweet tea would hit the spot right now.

Janet

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I am heading to Washington State on Thursday to be Grandma for about 5 days while my son takes his wife to Ireland.  Then the other grandma takes over.    I am bringing my sweaters...it was 107 here today.... I will be freezing my bootie off!  I will wave to you!

Ah, yes, thanks Janet.....She was going to spend time with family, iirc. 

[texasmom]

Hey Monkeys

I was just googling and I googled JD Silvetti Aruba and one of the websites was

 http://www.jdsilvetti.com/arubanews.html

But none of the links work......I wonder why   ...lol 

Various News Articles

 

The Daily Iberian

The Daily Advertiser

The Dario (Aruban)

The Press Enterprise

hmmm....seems like they must've disabled the links; they seem to go to pdf files that I think are linked to their site and not the actual papers.

figures!  

Me thinks it's just a web screw up.  There is no point not having them redirect to the pdf files.  Someone reading here will fix them, imo.   

You know a lot more about that stuff than I do!  Thanks 2NJ!  We'll keep checking!  

[2NJSons_Mom]

Hey Monkeys

I was just googling and I googled JD Silvetti Aruba and one of the websites was

 http://www.jdsilvetti.com/arubanews.html

But none of the links work......I wonder why   ...lol 

Various News Articles

 

The Daily Iberian

The Daily Advertiser

The Dario (Aruban)

The Press Enterprise

hmmm....seems like they must've disabled the links; they seem to go to pdf files that I think are linked to their site and not the actual papers.

figures!  

Me thinks it's just a web screw up.  There is no point not having them redirect to the pdf files.  Someone reading here will fix them, imo.   

You know a lot more about that stuff than I do!  Thanks 2NJ!  We'll keep checking!  

Maybe they'll hire me part time....I miss my job.      

[texasmom]

Guess I'm out of the loop...it's okay....I'm here everyday regardless.

Justice for Natalee Holloway.

(TM, thanks for bringing that post/map over for hotping....  )

Out of the loop?  Not you....ever, 2NJ!  If you're talking about Janet's adventure today...she'd posted about it earlier today before she left...just go back 2 or three pages I think!   

About the map for hotping...you're welcome, I was glad to help!   

I meant Magnolia visiting Washington state....I missed that.   

My memory must be fading.  It was not Magnolia who was going to wave to me from across the border ... it was AZSunny.

AZSunny has been missing for quite a while.

 

 A cuppa of her sweet tea would hit the spot right now.

Janet

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I am heading to Washington State on Thursday to be Grandma for about 5 days while my son takes his wife to Ireland.  Then the other grandma takes over.    I am bringing my sweaters...it was 107 here today.... I will be freezing my bootie off!  I will wave to you!

Thanks Janet!  After reading AZSunny's post, I do remember reading that when she posted it! 

Hopefully she'll be back soon!   

My recollections for the most part are based on word associations.  However ... this time my method of recollection failed.  I learned that "Sweaters" and "Magnolia" do not alway equate.

 

Anyways ... maybe AZSunny absence implies she fell in love with Washington State and ... decided to take up residence.  It makes sense when you consider her grandchildren and her next door neighbour who resides in the Fraser Valley of British Columbia ... Tamikosmom.

 

Have a good day Monkeys.

Janet

It's alright Janet, as much as we read...we all get a thing or two mixed up sometimes.  No worries!

If AZSunny decided to relocate, I hope they get her computer hooked up with an internet provider real soon, so she can let us know!  We need her here with us!

 
Have a great day Janet!   
 

[texasmom]

Hey Monkeys

I was just googling and I googled JD Silvetti Aruba and one of the websites was

 http://www.jdsilvetti.com/arubanews.html

But none of the links work......I wonder why   ...lol 

Various News Articles

 

The Daily Iberian

The Daily Advertiser

The Dario (Aruban)

The Press Enterprise

hmmm....seems like they must've disabled the links; they seem to go to pdf files that I think are linked to their site and not the actual papers.

figures!  

Me thinks it's just a web screw up.  There is no point not having them redirect to the pdf files.  Someone reading here will fix them, imo.   

You know a lot more about that stuff than I do!  Thanks 2NJ!  We'll keep checking!  

Maybe they'll hire me part time....I miss my job.      

 

I'd leave the part about being here off the application!  That is if you really want the job!

[2NJSons_Mom]

TM,

Go to that link, then View, then Source.  You will see where the code centers the newspaper names, but there is no code to embed or redirect to anything.  Now, if you go to another page on Silvetti's site with links, do the same.  You will see the code I am talking about. 

My previous employer made a mistake eliminating my job in 2006....I'm not bitter.           If those links end up working soon, I will have to consider that I was a short term hire and won't expect a check in the mail.   

[Tamikosmom]

I suspect that the Marco's tip had a direct connection with John Silvetti wanting to get Tim Miller off the Persistence following the December 30th visual dive.  Tim saw the ROV images from the December 29th ROV dive and ... was convinced by Kyle Kingman that there were remains in that trap.

Think about it.  The Natalee Holloway case is Aruba's investigation.  Why were the detectives not following up on this tip.  Why were Tim Miller and Dave Holloway following this tip on their own?  It does not make sense.

Janet

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KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:   After the Dec 30th dive John [Silvetti] didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability. I don't know what that exactly means, but Tim wasn't hurting anything except releasing the statements to the press and Holloways that we found Natalee.

Kyle Kingman: He (Tim Miller) stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan to follow up on the false lead in Costa Rica IIRC.

Kyle Kingman:  I hadn't slept in 48 hours. I crashed for a few hours rest and by the time I got up Dateline and Tim Miller had left the boat. That is when John [Silvetti] assumed full control over the remainder of the project and had us searching in the deepest portions of our search area which coincided with Richardson's remarks. Richardson told us after the Jan-7th dive to keep searching in deep water.

Kyle Kingman:  It's unanimous that Tim M. should never have told Dave and Beth anything about the trap until it's contents were forensically examined.  After the diver visual inspection of the trap he was obligated to report what the Aruban divers reported because although limited, it's the only information he had and the family rightfully wanted answers. It was a royal mess.

Kyle Kingman:   On the night of the 30th (I believe this was Tim's last night on the Persistence) I approached Tim and proposed some ideas to him. I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about it.

Kyle Kingman: I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive. John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again. Of course this didn't set well with me.

Because ALE KNEW it was bogus!   

EXACTLY!!

The timing was too coincidental and ... the primary involvement of Tim Miller does not make sense.  Logic dictates that the ALE should have been overseeing.

Hans Mos and Richardson knew that Tim Miller had been convinced by Kyle Kingman's analysis that there was a high probability that Natalee Holloway's remains were in that trap.

Janet

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KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman: I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th.

Kyle Kingman:  On the morning of the 30th we met on board the Persistence with Hans Mos, Richardson, and the rest of the police brass and dive division. I showed them all the 29th dive video and they agreed that it was very suspicion and looked promising.


The search for Natalee Holloway

TRANSCRIPT
By Chris Hansen
Correspondent
NBC News
updated 5:20 p.m. PT, Fri., Feb. 22, 2008

... The next day Aruban authorities, including chief prosecutor Hans Mos, came on board to see for themselves.

Tim Miller: We showed them what we had. I think they got real interested, too. We all thought we had something.

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/23301056/page/4/

[Tamikosmom]

Well ... the service starts in 30 minutes and ... I am sitting here in my flannel nighty and ... bed head hair.  Not a pretty sight.

 

Have a good Sunday all.

Janet
9:30 AM PT

[texasmom]

TM,

Go to that link, then View, then Source.  You will see where the code centers the newspaper names, but there is no code to embed or redirect to anything.  Now, if you go to another page on Silvetti's site with links, do the same.  You will see the code I am talking about. 

My previous employer made a mistake eliminating my job in 2006....I'm not bitter.           If those links end up working soon, I will have to consider that I was a short term hire and won't expect a check in the mail.   

 

I trust ya 2NJ!  And hopefully they will fix their booboos!  For such a fancy site, you would think they'd want everything to work!   

Hey, maybe if they see your diagnosis and correct the problem...they could post a calendar of all Silvetti's activities/communications/contracts over the past two years in appreciation!  You wouldn't want them having your personal information to cut you a check anyway!  We all know whose hands that might end up in!

 

 

[2NJSons_Mom]

TM,

Go to that link, then View, then Source.  You will see where the code centers the newspaper names, but there is no code to embed or redirect to anything.  Now, if you go to another page on Silvetti's site with links, do the same.  You will see the code I am talking about. 

My previous employer made a mistake eliminating my job in 2006....I'm not bitter.           If those links end up working soon, I will have to consider that I was a short term hire and won't expect a check in the mail.   

 

I trust ya 2NJ!  And hopefully they will fix their booboos!  For such a fancy site, you would think they'd want everything to work!   

Hey, maybe if they see your diagnosis and correct the problem...they could post a calendar of all Silvetti's activities/communications/contracts over the past two years in appreciation!  You wouldn't want them having your personal information to cut you a check anyway!  We all know whose hands that might end up in!

 

 

They paid someone to develop the site, imo, so it should be accurate.  The calendar won't happen and you are correct about not wanting my personal info out there. 

[texasmom]

Well ... the service starts in 30 minutes and ... I am sitting here in my flannel nighty and ... bed head hair.  Not a pretty sight.

 

Have a good Sunday all.

Janet
9:30 AM PT

 

You have a great day too Janet!   

[texasmom]

TM,

Go to that link, then View, then Source.  You will see where the code centers the newspaper names, but there is no code to embed or redirect to anything.  Now, if you go to another page on Silvetti's site with links, do the same.  You will see the code I am talking about. 

My previous employer made a mistake eliminating my job in 2006....I'm not bitter.           If those links end up working soon, I will have to consider that I was a short term hire and won't expect a check in the mail.   

 

I trust ya 2NJ!  And hopefully they will fix their booboos!  For such a fancy site, you would think they'd want everything to work!   

Hey, maybe if they see your diagnosis and correct the problem...they could post a calendar of all Silvetti's activities/communications/contracts over the past two years in appreciation!  You wouldn't want them having your personal information to cut you a check anyway!  We all know whose hands that might end up in!

 

 

They paid someone to develop the site, imo, so it should be accurate.  The calendar won't happen and you are correct about not wanting my personal info out there. 

IIRC from some discussions....CLW does that kind of work!   

[2NJSons_Mom]

TM,

Go to that link, then View, then Source.  You will see where the code centers the newspaper names, but there is no code to embed or redirect to anything.  Now, if you go to another page on Silvetti's site with links, do the same.  You will see the code I am talking about. 

My previous employer made a mistake eliminating my job in 2006....I'm not bitter.           If those links end up working soon, I will have to consider that I was a short term hire and won't expect a check in the mail.   

 

I trust ya 2NJ!  And hopefully they will fix their booboos!  For such a fancy site, you would think they'd want everything to work!   

Hey, maybe if they see your diagnosis and correct the problem...they could post a calendar of all Silvetti's activities/communications/contracts over the past two years in appreciation!  You wouldn't want them having your personal information to cut you a check anyway!  We all know whose hands that might end up in!

 

 

They paid someone to develop the site, imo, so it should be accurate.  The calendar won't happen and you are correct about not wanting my personal info out there. 

IIRC from some discussions....CLW does that kind of work!   

Yes, I remember reading that, too.  CLW algorithms & logic would not have permitted error.   

[nonesuche]

Good Morning None.

That thing called a job and ... must be keeping you busy or ... has that tall good looking European entered the picture.

 

I miss ya.

Janet

{{{ HUGS }}} to you Janet.

No tall europeans, lots of work but less travel. I have to admit after staring at web meetings and spreadsheets for so long with work everyday, my eyes often just can't take more web reading after 8pm which is usually when I finish work lately.

I'm so glad that you and others here keep Natalee's story alive daily, thank you for all of your efforts.

[nonesuche]

The thing I found MOST interesting in the response was...I don't recall Natalee's case being mentioned at all in the letter he's responding to.

 

Now That's Interesting! 

I wonder at what point,will Paulus and family not feel safe on that island??Honestly.These underworld people,at some point or another,have got to be getting tired of the light that forever shines on Aruba due to the Deviants pawned off by the Netherlands..

I've been wondering that for a LONG time too!   

Only thing I can figure, is Papa Vandersloot is "high ranking" in the underworld too!   

He was over contracts for the island for years, he likely has smut on the entire corrupt food chain. I expect they can't know what 'bombs' he might have go off should anything happen to him? The art of war.........

So true Nonesuche!  And that fact, which I'm sure Nelson Oduber is not oblivious to; makes his statement to Dave Holloway "No one is above the law" a big fat lie.  And Nel knew it when he said it!  He just assumed this family would give up and go away like all the others and he wouldn't have to worry about it much longer. 

Wrong again Nel!

 

It's good to see you Nonesuche!  I hope all is good with you and yours!   

I am doing okay as are my kids, I do hope you and yours are doing well. I was sad to read of Blue Moon's sister's illness. I am keeping them in my prayers, my heart goes out to her.

Nelson rolls those lies off his lips so readily, doesn't he? Then switches to righteous indignation the moment anyone calls him on his lies or the corruption he so blithely promotes freely.

He and Paulus should share the same cell one day, let them lie to each other until they take each other out !!

Oh put Rudy Croes in there with them too !!

[nonesuche]

2NJ Sons Mom - we all know that former employer was a nimcompoop but it seems open season on the experienced professionals.

We always knew how good you are sistah NJ  no doubts !

[texasmom]

The thing I found MOST interesting in the response was...I don't recall Natalee's case being mentioned at all in the letter he's responding to.

 

Now That's Interesting! 

I wonder at what point,will Paulus and family not feel safe on that island??Honestly.These underworld people,at some point or another,have got to be getting tired of the light that forever shines on Aruba due to the Deviants pawned off by the Netherlands..

I've been wondering that for a LONG time too!   

Only thing I can figure, is Papa Vandersloot is "high ranking" in the underworld too!   

He was over contracts for the island for years, he likely has smut on the entire corrupt food chain. I expect they can't know what 'bombs' he might have go off should anything happen to him? The art of war.........

So true Nonesuche!  And that fact, which I'm sure Nelson Oduber is not oblivious to; makes his statement to Dave Holloway "No one is above the law" a big fat lie.  And Nel knew it when he said it!  He just assumed this family would give up and go away like all the others and he wouldn't have to worry about it much longer. 

Wrong again Nel!

 

It's good to see you Nonesuche!  I hope all is good with you and yours!   

I am doing okay as are my kids, I do hope you and yours are doing well. I was sad to read of Blue Moon's sister's illness. I am keeping them in my prayers, my heart goes out to her.

Nelson rolls those lies off his lips so readily, doesn't he? Then switches to righteous indignation the moment anyone calls him on his lies or the corruption he so blithely promotes freely.

He and Paulus should share the same cell one day, let them lie to each other until they take each other out !!

Oh put Rudy Croes in there with them too !!

We're all good Nonesuche!  Yes, I'm worried about Blue Moon's sister too.  I copied her post over in the Prayer thread in hopes that more of our monkey family will see it and keep them in their prayers. 

Great idea about the cell, I can think of a few more to toss in with them!   

[texasmom]

Hi Janet-

I had not seen that specific article but thank you for reposting it. I do not know how Tim Miller endures the likes of Marcos, what torment that must be. To think some person without a soul would WANT Dave Holloway to be told his daughter's body had fallen to pieces that way???? Only utter scum and freaks would do that, a category I put Caps into now too.

Me too!   

[texasmom]

This may not mean anything at all, but I can't help but wonder!  Coincidence?  Even though I don't see a specific first name mentioned that rings a bell; still seems a little hinkey/stinky to me.  Two very familiar last names...announce changing party affiliations within days of each other.  Both formerly prominent supporters of the MEP party...hmmmm

JMO

 

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Papiamentu translation:

paradera is birando berde of self today evening paradera y aruba provided that general will disfruta of aperture of cas of faction paradera yesterday tardi one another flag of avp owing to cuminsa fly in paradera, the trip here was at home of chinto geerman, one person cu for añanan largo owing to sostene faction mep, but owing to see cu avp is the faction cu will can bring the cambio positive at the situation in cual we country is bibando. the trip here again one are big of family geerman owing to reuni at home of chinto for give otmar oduber y faction avp the sosten for succeed the victoria day 25 of september proximo. otmar owing to inicia the nightfall saying cu for of three nightfall consecutivo in district of paradera owing to haci simbolicamente one lantamento of flag cu is show the cambio cu the people here is anhela. “un cambio for one thought new, for one politica new, one politica caminda we wanted bring seguridad y bienestar bek, the felicidad in cada hogar akinan at aruba”. chinto geerman is father of anthony geerman, cu that otmar owing to come is conbersa for much time on various materianan, particularmente on aviacion y turism y so past owing to become one person much close of otmar in his equipo after of owing to see his talentonan. also otmar owing to menciona cu yesterday all day past owing to achieve the question, same cu teo croes, of cual is the motibo for cual they owing to change y owing to join the team of otmar y avp. “e sharp principal is reconocemento for her value y for her person self, camindatin inteligencia in the person for can help his country, have the earn, the love, -no only politiconan but ciudadanonan ehemplar as anthony, teo, sony y another cantidad cu for much year y recientemente owing to uni partido-, is feel for her piece baranca aki”. “tin one baluarte as chinto together cumi stop near of his child, near of his madam y his family akinan is sample also of the cambio cu we wanted see on the piece baranca here.   one cambio cu have to bring felicidad for cada one of nos”, otmar owing to conclui. chinto geerman of his near owing to tell cu the oportunidad ricibi of partidi of avp is algo cu the is gradici inmensamente. “tur problem cu we is enfrentando now assure is haci cu we have to of one vision new, for so we avanza in future y give we aruba the prosperidad cu the merece cu ideanan new, innovacion y creatividad for soluciona the problemanan. pesey the support for cu avp is the opcion of the trip here by of my famia”. past owing to ask for people eherce his dereccho of voice for eleva we democracia more y more, but also for respeta opicion of cada that because we is stay rumannan of another because one aruba we all is. siguientemente anthony geerman owing to uni his self at the words of his father y of all family. erl owing to show cu they're contento, assure cu owing to trip here owing to achieve the oportunidad of show they conocemento of transporte y turism, but also sport. “pesey i am gradici avp p’esaki y the trip akki we is bay for form one team for we take away the vision fast. the cambio is because not have vision more, we wanted one another vision”. today evening, sony vrolijk, teo croes, chinto y anthony geerman together cu they family, same cu all esnan at aruba cu is desea one cambio will is for of 6’or of nightfall at home of faction paradera for so celebra all together the aperture in big where cu candidatonan of avp will is presentando nann vision for cu the proximo gobernacion. the is one stap more fast direction for her victoria of 25 of september cu will wordo succeed cu the sosten of we people.

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Papiamentu translation:

ex palanca of mep, chinto geerman: gobierno of mep owing to let much of desea

chinto geerman, one baluarte of faction mep owing to dicidi cu is enough y owing to uni his self at the faction of speranza, at the faction cu have one vision for aruba, at faction avp. yesterday tardi owing to hoist flag at his cas in one ambiente much cheerful y complete of entusiasmo caminda family, amigo y sostenedornan owing to reuni for calling one another family more welcome at the family big of avp.conbersando cu chinto past owing to count ; cu past owing to give his sosten overall at otmar oduber because the is considere one person much earnest y much franco caminda the is show cu after of eleccion the cambionan will come.e is splica cu for of year 2005 already end otmar owing to acerke, but the time ey still the was “bistiendo spectacles of palo”. past owing to dicidi the trip here of let spectacles of tree one near because “houtluis owing to come”. the is indica cu the have more confianza in avp cu mep. “mi does not atacanan frontal, but anything i am tell if is cu mep owing to let much of desea, then now will cual owing to culmina the problem is cu they're wordo investiga. gobierno of aruba is bay wordo investiga y esey is one berguenza for we. aruba not merece esey”.

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