Lively Case Discussion #541 11/5 - 11/7/2006

[klaasend]

Where was this Charles "Carlos" posting and when?  
I know Charles a bit, have spoke with him on the phone and via email.

Grande - I'll email you  

[Grande]

I've always wondered who this MAJOR FRIEND was:

<<snip>>
VAN SUSTEREN: Charles, take me back to May 30th, which is several hours after Natalee missed her flight. How did you first get wind of the fact that Beth Holloway Twitty (search) was looking for her daughter?

CHARLES CROES, TALKED TO DUTCH SUSPECT: A major friend of mine called me up. He was working with Natalee's mom to help them find Natalee.
VAN SUSTEREN: Why would he call you? What is your occupation that would be a reason he would call you?

C. CROES: Well, I have a sail (cel) rental company. And there was apparently a phone call made. And he was calling me betting or hoping that the phone call was made from one of our phones, and so that's why he called me.

VAN SUSTEREN: About what time did he call you?

C. CROES: He called me at 11:30.

VAN SUSTEREN: What did he say to you?

C. CROES: He told me that he needed my help. And I asked him what it was about. And he told me that it had to do something with a cell phone. And I didn't relate it to anything but work at that point.

And then he said, "There is a possibility that a phone call was made using one of our phones." And I said, "OK." And he said, "It's very, very important." I said, "Fine," and I asked him to go into further details, and he did. And then I made arrangements to go see him.>>

The major friend is one of the MB girls' fathers.  I am sure someone will post the details, I cannot recall off hand.

[Grande]

I've always wondered who this MAJOR FRIEND was:

<<snip>>
VAN SUSTEREN: Charles, take me back to May 30th, which is several hours after Natalee missed her flight. How did you first get wind of the fact that Beth Holloway Twitty (search) was looking for her daughter?

CHARLES CROES, TALKED TO DUTCH SUSPECT: A major friend of mine called me up. He was working with Natalee's mom to help them find Natalee.
VAN SUSTEREN: Why would he call you? What is your occupation that would be a reason he would call you?

C. CROES: Well, I have a sail (cel) rental company. And there was apparently a phone call made. And he was calling me betting or hoping that the phone call was made from one of our phones, and so that's why he called me.

VAN SUSTEREN: About what time did he call you?

C. CROES: He called me at 11:30.

VAN SUSTEREN: What did he say to you?

C. CROES: He told me that he needed my help. And I asked him what it was about. And he told me that it had to do something with a cell phone. And I didn't relate it to anything but work at that point.

And then he said, "There is a possibility that a phone call was made using one of our phones." And I said, "OK." And he said, "It's very, very important." I said, "Fine," and I asked him to go into further details, and he did. And then I made arrangements to go see him.>>

The major friend is one of the MB girls' fathers.  I am sure someone will post the details, I cannot recall off hand.

G Ruffner Page

[Grande]

Where was this Charles "Carlos" posting and when?  
I know Charles a bit, have spoke with him on the phone and via email.

Grande - I'll email you  

Thanks Klaas... Needed to speak with you anyway.

[bleachedblack]

I imagine any wire taping would have to be with the knowledge of CC.

[Lala'sMom]

Good Evening Monkeys.  I voted today...not that our state has any impact on the national outcomes.  But I did my civic duty anyway.  

Thanks Nonesy for backing up Shango.  You are a good daisy.  

DK, I have that nasty Trojan still.  Ad Aware can't seem to find him.  Maybe I don't have one as I thought.  I have something because now I can't get IE to work at all for me and some things are still giving me trouble.  Maybe I need to uninstall IE and try to reload it, what do you think?

[Grande]

I've always wondered who this MAJOR FRIEND was:

<<snip>>
VAN SUSTEREN: Charles, take me back to May 30th, which is several hours after Natalee missed her flight. How did you first get wind of the fact that Beth Holloway Twitty (search) was looking for her daughter?

CHARLES CROES, TALKED TO DUTCH SUSPECT: A major friend of mine called me up. He was working with Natalee's mom to help them find Natalee.
VAN SUSTEREN: Why would he call you? What is your occupation that would be a reason he would call you?

C. CROES: Well, I have a sail (cel) rental company. And there was apparently a phone call made. And he was calling me betting or hoping that the phone call was made from one of our phones, and so that's why he called me.

VAN SUSTEREN: About what time did he call you?

C. CROES: He called me at 11:30.

VAN SUSTEREN: What did he say to you?

C. CROES: He told me that he needed my help. And I asked him what it was about. And he told me that it had to do something with a cell phone. And I didn't relate it to anything but work at that point.

And then he said, "There is a possibility that a phone call was made using one of our phones." And I said, "OK." And he said, "It's very, very important." I said, "Fine," and I asked him to go into further details, and he did. And then I made arrangements to go see him.>>

The major friend is one of the MB girls' fathers.  I am sure someone will post the details, I cannot recall off hand.

G Ruffner Page

Scratch that.  Not sure where I heard that, and after reviewing that transcript it is likely not accurate.

[dkpen]

Hi Everyone!

Thanks for all the information. It really helps.

I do find it odd that Amy Bradley was recently removed from the FBI missing persons list. hmmm

Sad how the courts robbed the Bradleys just because some people saw Amy after her abduction. Ofcourse she was being mind controlled. Heavily drugged. Stockholm Syndrom comes to mind. Which is like a brain washing.

Am I 100% sure this Charles "Carlos" is Charles Croes?  No.

Their is way to much of a coincidence.

This person signs his sig line as Charles "Carlos".
coincidence? (Carlos and Charlies)
They both stack their sig lines and always include their business under the
name.  See what I'm saying?

Charles "Carlos"
Managing Partner and
Resort General Manager

Check it out.
Charles
arubafastphones.com

charles
arubafastphones.com

I showed it to my hubby and the first thing that came out of his mouth,
"same person", before I could explain to him what I was showing them to him for.  During my hubbies 20 yrs in the Navy, he was TAD military police for 3 yrs and DoD.

I have someone I am waiting on to respond to me who knows Aruba and Charles Croes very well.

Hi dkpen . I went to the Hyscience, Amy Bradley escort site and really don't see where it says Charles Croes. My guess it would be a different guy than CC  arubafastphones, but you never know. I don't personally know him, but what I know about him, I tend to think of him more as a family guy?.....call me naive.

kinda funny there are only 2 Charles croes listed in the aruba white pages, with Croes being such a common name.

bleached, on the escort site there is a link that takes you to the A-A-V escort forums, if that helps.

[bleachedblack]

I've always wondered who this MAJOR FRIEND was:

<<snip>>
VAN SUSTEREN: Charles, take me back to May 30th, which is several hours after Natalee missed her flight. How did you first get wind of the fact that Beth Holloway Twitty (search) was looking for her daughter?

CHARLES CROES, TALKED TO DUTCH SUSPECT: A major friend of mine called me up. He was working with Natalee's mom to help them find Natalee.
VAN SUSTEREN: Why would he call you? What is your occupation that would be a reason he would call you?

C. CROES: Well, I have a sail (cel) rental company. And there was apparently a phone call made. And he was calling me betting or hoping that the phone call was made from one of our phones, and so that's why he called me.

VAN SUSTEREN: About what time did he call you?

C. CROES: He called me at 11:30.

VAN SUSTEREN: What did he say to you?

C. CROES: He told me that he needed my help. And I asked him what it was about. And he told me that it had to do something with a cell phone. And I didn't relate it to anything but work at that point.

And then he said, "There is a possibility that a phone call was made using one of our phones." And I said, "OK." And he said, "It's very, very important." I said, "Fine," and I asked him to go into further details, and he did. And then I made arrangements to go see him.>>

The major friend is one of the MB girls' fathers.  I am sure someone will post the details, I cannot recall off hand.

G Ruffner Page

Scratch that.  Not sure where I heard that, and after reviewing that transcript it is likely not accurate.

Seems like a rather quick....yet accurate retraction to me Grande

[bleachedblack]

dpken wrote;

bleached, on the escort site there is a link that takes you to the A-A-V escort forums, if that helps.

Thanks, I'd like to have a look......

[Grande]

I've always wondered who this MAJOR FRIEND was:

<<snip>>
VAN SUSTEREN: Charles, take me back to May 30th, which is several hours after Natalee missed her flight. How did you first get wind of the fact that Beth Holloway Twitty (search) was looking for her daughter?

CHARLES CROES, TALKED TO DUTCH SUSPECT: A major friend of mine called me up. He was working with Natalee's mom to help them find Natalee.
VAN SUSTEREN: Why would he call you? What is your occupation that would be a reason he would call you?

C. CROES: Well, I have a sail (cel) rental company. And there was apparently a phone call made. And he was calling me betting or hoping that the phone call was made from one of our phones, and so that's why he called me.

VAN SUSTEREN: About what time did he call you?

C. CROES: He called me at 11:30.

VAN SUSTEREN: What did he say to you?

C. CROES: He told me that he needed my help. And I asked him what it was about. And he told me that it had to do something with a cell phone. And I didn't relate it to anything but work at that point.

And then he said, "There is a possibility that a phone call was made using one of our phones." And I said, "OK." And he said, "It's very, very important." I said, "Fine," and I asked him to go into further details, and he did. And then I made arrangements to go see him.>>

The major friend is one of the MB girls' fathers.  I am sure someone will post the details, I cannot recall off hand.

G Ruffner Page

Scratch that.  Not sure where I heard that, and after reviewing that transcript it is likely not accurate.

Then again...    

I did a fair amount of diligence on just that issue and somehow through a source or via the web came to the conclusion it was in fact G. Ruffner Page.

[klaasend]

Grande - by the way, I noticed you have been very busy today.  

[LilPuma]

95 outside, 88 inside  

I hate the heat!!

  I hope it breaks soon for you.

It's a nice 57 degress here in NY.

About the same here in the Midwest.     But before you west coasters get jealous, remember we have our rock salt and ice scrapers in the ready position.  My boots and mittens are cleaned and pressed and they know they'll be called to active duty real soon.

[dkpen]

Please be advised that when you go to the escort site I gained 4 trojan viruses. It's an old site and I feel someone placed a trojan there on purpose. Those girls who were "Guest Escorts" must of been abducted as well. Non of them looked like the typical local girls, if you know what I mean.


{{edit}}  Sorry, those web addresses will have to be shared via email.  We don't allow porn sites to be posted on SM.  Sorry about that.

[Grande]

Grande - by the way, I noticed you have been very busy today.  

Yea, you could say that.  LOL.  I took a quite a beating.

[dkpen]

Eh?  Those aren't porn sites. Does not show anything with nudity. But, it does advertize escorts in that manner so ok.  

[klaasend]

Eh?  Those aren't porn sites. Does not show anything with nudity. But, it does advertize escorts in that manner so ok.  

Not to mention the "trojans"  

[klaasend]

Grande - by the way, I noticed you have been very busy today.  

Yea, you could say that.  LOL.  I took a quite a beating.

Yes, one could say you had a BANner day..LOL  

Edited to add:  Check your email when you get a chance

[Grande]

Please be advised that when you go to the escort site I gained 4 trojan viruses. It's an old site and I feel someone placed a trojan there on purpose. Those girls who were "Guest Escorts" must of been abducted as well. Non of them looked like the typical local girls, if you know what I mean.


{{edit}}  Sorry, those web addresses will have to be shared via email.  We don't allow porn sites to be posted on SM.  Sorry about that.

"Guest Escorts" sounds like a Paul Brough marketing scheme.  I will await your email Klaas and see what I can come up with.  

Paul Brough;
http://i10.tinypic.com/43e2yrn.jpg
http://i9.tinypic.com/4hklklt.jpg
http://i9.tinypic.com/2nib7g4.jpg
http://i10.tinypic.com/2wn0g8k.jpg

[Grande]

Grande - by the way, I noticed you have been very busy today.  

Yea, you could say that.  LOL.  I took a quite a beating.

Yes, one could say you had a BANner day..LOL  

Edited to add:  Check your email when you get a chance

LOL you could say that.  BRB and thank you.