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« Reply #100 on: May 26, 2012, 09:50:17 AM »

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2012/05/26/etan-patz-painfully-obvious-evidence.html
Etan Patz: Painfully Obvious Evidence
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« Reply #101 on: May 26, 2012, 12:12:23 PM »

Hernandez ‘too crazy’ for cops when he confessed years ago

By DOUG AUER and JAMIE SCHRAM
Last Updated: 8:03 AM, May 26, 2012
Posted: 1:41 AM, May 26, 2012


Etan Patz’s alleged killer tried to confess to cops years ago that he had murdered the long-missing 6-year-old — but he was dismissed as a nutjob and detectives never followed through, the suspect’s sister told The Post yesterday.

“Every time the anniversary of that little boy came up on TV, I would say, ‘Why doesn’t he turn himself in?’ ” recalled Lucy Suarez, 43, the youngest sister of Pedro Hernandez.

“And my sister said, ‘He did, but the police let him go because they said he was too crazy,’ ” Suarez said.

Sources yesterday also revealed that five days after Etan disappeared, cops saw Hernandez at the bodega, where one of the owners explained away his presence by noting he was merely his brother-in-law. There is no record that police ever interviewed Hernandez that day about Etan.

Hernandez, 51, confessed to the NYPD Wednesday after a relative ratted him out, police said. He was arraigned on a second-degree murder charge from Bellevue Hospital on the 33rd anniversary of Etan’s disappearance.

“Every time the Patz anniversary came up, and we saw it on TV, we would always get haunted by it,” Suarez said from her home in Camden, NJ.

“I would say, ‘Damn, this thing isn’t dying down. That little boy’s blood is crying out for mercy.’ And we would pray, we would pray for God’s mercy, so God must have heard us.”


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Hernandez, who cops and family members said has HIV, was taken to Bellevue yesterday after threatening to kill himself, sources said. He was arraigned via a video link to a courtroom.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/too_crazy_for_cops_when_he_confessed_WY7fGMsSiaE3UYaCdc0A3J#ixzz1vzbCeyRy
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« Reply #102 on: May 26, 2012, 12:17:49 PM »

How police blew it in ’79

By JAMIE SCHRAM, PHILIP MESSING and DAREH GREGORIAN
Last Updated: 8:35 AM, May 26, 2012
Posted: 12:47 AM, May 26, 2012


The biggest missing-persons investigations in city history could have led to Etan Patz’s alleged killer decades ago if not for some big mistakes, law-enforcement sources told The Post.

Hundreds of police chasing down thousands of tips and red herrings, detectives looking for personal glory, a lack of a centralized database and the emergence of a perfect suspect led investigators to overlook the man now charged in the murder.

“The bigger the investigation, the more people that are involved, the more difficult the coordination is,” said a retired senior law-enforcement official. “There can be mistakes.”

nd there were doozies in the Patz case. Police Commissioner Ray Kelly said that while Pedro Hernandez’s name was known to investigators soon after Etan’s disappearance, they never interviewed him.

A law-enforcement source noted that with up to 500 officers assigned to the case at one point, the detectives involved might have assumed that somebody else would have spoken to Hernandez.

The flood of tips from the concerned public also pointed away from the blocks where Etan had disappeared — to as far away as Israel — and all the leads had to be chased down.



Robert Shaw, one of the lead investigators in the original case, declined comment yesterday.

In a 1991 magazine interview, Shaw said the investigation had been hampered by cops who acted like they were competing against each other.

“Everybody wanted to solve the case for the glory,” he told Vanity Fair.


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Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/how_police_blew_it_in_gPklr3vkpzJGCQSqNC9bxM#ixzz1vzcbrpIa

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« Reply #103 on: May 26, 2012, 02:08:22 PM »

Etan Patz Murder Suspect Pedro Hernandez Arraigned on Second Degree Murder Charge … Is He Guilty or Just Another Crazy John Marc Karr Type?

http://scaredmonkeys.com/2012/05/26/etan-patz-murder-suspect-pedro-hernandez-arraigned-on-second-degree-murder-charge-is-he-guilty-or-just-another-crazy-john-marc-carr-type/

KILLER OR KRAZY?

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So the question remains, is Pedro Hernandez really guilty of murdering Etan Patz or is he just a crazy lunatic? Hernandez’ court-appointed lawyer, Harvey Fishbein, stated to the judge during the arraignment that his client is bipolar, schizophrenic and has a “history of hallucinations, both visual and auditory.” So did Pedro Hernandez really commit this crime or is he another John Marc Karr? For those who have forgot, John Marc Karr confessed to killing JonBenet Ramsey. The only thing that might have been more crazy than the media circus surrounding the confessed killer was John Marc Karr himself. In the end prosecutors never charged Karr with the murder because their was not a DNA match.

So does the prosecution have more evidence than is presently known? Has Hernandez confessed to things and provided details of the murder than have never been disclosed and only the killer would know? That remains to be seen. There are many challenges ahead to convict Pedro Hernandez.
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The part that gets me about the confession is that Pedro Hernandez basically said that he killed Etan on the spur of the moment just because he felt like it. Then never again in his life he ever killed again? Hmm. One would think if he actually did the crime there was sadly more to this crime than just a death or the sake of taking a life. That being said, if Hernandez was a child predator, he never again acted out?

Just all so very bizarre.
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« Reply #104 on: May 26, 2012, 09:18:16 PM »

For parents of Etan Patz, 33 years of false hopes

Law enforcement or psychics or strangers mostly, have long been telling Etan’s parents that they have (false) news on Etan.

By Lisa R. Cohen / SPECIAL TO THE NEWS
Published: Saturday, May 26, 2012, 7:33 PM
Updated: Saturday, May 26, 2012, 8:36 PM





Another false lead: A New York Daily News clipping from Dec. 22, 1982 shows Chester Jones, the cab driver who thought he picked up Etan Patz.

The anniversary of 6-year old Etan Patz’s disappearance from SoHo has fallen on the Friday of Memorial Day weekend before.

On that first Friday May 25, back in 1979, it was a cool, misty day. By early evening, more than 10 hours after Etan was last seen, hundreds of police officers were out in full force when the rain started. By the time bloodhounds were finally brought in Saturday morning, authorities were resigned to the fact the trail had probably gone cold, washed away down the neighborhood’s gutters.

Now, we are being told that if the dogs had followed the trail, it would have led to a bag containing Etan’s broken body, sitting mere blocks from the Patz loft.

In a stunning turn of events, 51-year-old Pedro Hernandez was charged last week with strangling the boy, first luring him into the corner bodega near the bus stop where Etan was headed. Hernandez has told police he went back to find the body a couple of days later, but it was gone.

This is the first time anyone has ever been charged in the 33-year case of what is often called “the most famous missing child since the Lindbergh baby.” That is a huge milestone.

But it isn’t — by far — the first wild upswing in the decades-long case. For 33 years, law enforcement or psychics or strangers mostly, have been telling Etan’s parents, Stan and Julie Patz, that they either knew who had taken their son, or where Etan was, or even that they were Etan.

Etan’s parents never changed their phone number, in hopes he might call. He never did, but plenty of strangers left messages around the clock. They reported seeing Etan in places as far-flung as New England and New Mexico. Sometimes multiple reports from across the country came in on the same day.

Sometimes, in instances of unfathomable cruelty, the voice at the other end of the line would claim to be Etan — usually an adult voice, often drunk. At other times, the voice was clearly mentally unstable, and in the early years, Julie Patz would take it upon herself to track down mental services for a troubled or lonely caller.



In 1986, acting on a tip, authorities in the Seattle area fingerprinted, footprinted and questioned a boy and then grilled his parents. The boy looked remarkably like Etan and the family had recently moved to the neighborhood from upstate New York. Only seven years into the case, Stan Patz’s response was terse: “We have been through a lot of them like this.”

Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/parents-etan-patz-33-years-false-hopes-article-1.1085165#ixzz1w1olydKb
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« Reply #105 on: May 27, 2012, 08:01:45 AM »

FBI doubts Pedro Hernandez responsible for the killing of Etan Patz
 
Some in district attorney's office pushed for more evidence before arrest, police sources say


By Rocco Parascandola, Kerry Burke AND Larry Mcshane / NEW YORK DAILY NEWS
Published: Sunday, May 27, 2012, 3:00 AM
Updated: Sunday, May 27, 2012, 3:00 AM



FBI officials remain unconvinced by the shocking murder confession from a bipolar suspect in the long-unsolved Etan Patz disappearance, sources told the Daily News.

While the detailed admission from Pedro Hernandez seemed to wrap up the 33-year probe, there is great doubt among FBI brass that the former SoHo bodega worker is the boy’s killer, sources said.

“The bosses are very skeptical,” said a police source who is in close contact with the FBI. “They don’t believe him. He’s got mental problems and there’s no other evidence. They think we moved too fast.”

Hernandez’s mental history is not the only reason the feds are leery. FBI investigators who reviewed Hernandez’s confession told The News inconsistencies in his story undermine his credibility.

Law enforcement attention in the case had long focused on convicted child molester Jose Ramos, currently behind bars in Pennsylvania, and more recently on neighborhood handyman Othniel Miller.

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Read more: http://www.nydailynews.com/new-york/fbi-doubts-pedro-hernandez-responsible-killing-etan-patz-article-1.1085274#ixzz1w4QYQUHv
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« Reply #106 on: May 27, 2012, 08:04:46 AM »

Etan suspect knew 'intimate details' tying him to slaying: sources

By BRAD HAMILTON
Last Updated: 6:38 AM, May 27, 2012
Posted: 1:57 AM, May 27, 2012


Pedro Hernandez provided detectives with “intimate details” about the murder of Etan Patz that only the killer could have known, sources told The Post.

NYPD detectives believe these key clues, kept secret for 33 years, are proof that the former SoHo bodega stockboy charged in the infamous abduction knew too much to not be involved.

Sources said investigators were stunned to learn that Hernandez had this inside information, which cops never disclosed to the public despite intense public scrutiny and three decades of frustration in trying to unravel what happened to the 6-year-old in 1979.

The specifics have remained secret and are known by fewer than a dozen current law-enforcement officials, including Police Commissioner Ray Kelly and Manhattan District Attorney Cy Vance, the sources said.

They said the closely held details likely relate to Patz’s body — scars, birth marks, moles or other identifying characteristics — items he wore or had when he disappeared or knowledge the killer gleaned about Patz’s family before the killing.

Hernandez, who confessed to strangling the boy in the basement of the bodega where he worked at Prince Street and West Broadway in SoHo, was considered unreliable by some NYPD investigators because of his mental instability.

“They thought there were medical issues and he might be one of those publicity seekers,” one source said.

“But pretty seasoned detectives are confident this is the guy based on information he had. And the circle of people who know is very narrow. They’re not even telling other people in the unit.”

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Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/killer_knew_etan_secret_ug3keSiZtxNplgwwWUVDsM#ixzz1w4RXBJX0

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« Reply #107 on: May 27, 2012, 10:49:12 AM »

Doubts over confession


PEDRO Hernandez, the man the authorities say has confessed to killing Etan Patz 33 years ago - a death that sparked a nationwide change in missing persons investigations - has been prescribed at least one anti-psychotic medication for ''a number of years'' a person with knowledge of his mental history said.

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http://www.watoday.com.au/world/doubts-over-confession-20120527-1zd05.html
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« Reply #108 on: May 27, 2012, 11:34:53 AM »

’79 NYPD boss doubts just one slaying for Etan suspect

By PHILIP MESSING
Last Updated: 8:02 AM, May 27, 2012
Posted: 12:58 AM, May 27, 2012



ROBERT J. MCGUIRE Talks of the killer’s urge.

Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/nypd_boss_doubts_just_one_slaying_w9NEUMKuioB7uATorB3RsK#ixzz1w5IYN9Vd


If Pedro Hernandez really did kill Etan Patz, the accused murderer likely had other victims over the past 33 years, former NYPD Commissioner Robert J. McGuire told The Post.

“If you have that uncontrollable urge towards children, you do that more than once in your life. You are not a happily married guy who is a member of a Pentecostal church,” said McGuire — the top cop when Etan disappeared in 1979.

“I have done a fair amount of investigation of these types of cases, and I don’t remember [any] case of one person who acted out just once. The urge may be unforgivable, but it’s also uncontrollable.”


McGuire is shocked Hernandez has never emerged as a suspect in any subsequent pedophile-related investigations and has trouble believing the alleged killer is a happily married member of a church.

“The confusing thing about pedophilia or child attacks is that you tend not to do that once in your life,” he insisted.

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Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/national/nypd_boss_doubts_just_one_slaying_w9NEUMKuioB7uATorB3RsK#ixzz1w5IEieNO
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« Reply #109 on: May 28, 2012, 08:45:56 AM »

'Monster' hid Etan's body in bodega fridge before trash dump: sources



By LARRY CELONA, JOSH MARGOLIN and BOB FREDERICKS
Last Updated: 5:48 AM, May 28, 2012
Posted: 12:40 AM, May 28, 2012




He put Etan’s body on ice.

The man who confessed to strangling little Etan Patz was calculating enough to stash the child’s corpse in a basement walk-in refrigerator before tossing it out with the trash, sources told The Post yesterday.

Demented murder suspect Pedro Hernandez, 51, revealed to authorities that after killing the child May 25, 1979, “he put him in the walk-in box and kept him there until he took him out and put him in the garbage,” a law-enforcement source said.

It’s unclear how long Hernandez, then 19, kept the boy’s body hidden in the basement fridge at his family’s SoHo bodega, where he worked as a stock boy, after killing him. Etan’s body had been stuffed in a plastic bag and then put into a box before being stowed in the walk-in, sources said.

But the grisly package remained there until the coast was clear and Hernandez could sneak it out to the street that night. He told cops he wound up carrying the box to an alley down the block and dumping it in other garbage that was later hauled off by a trash truck.

The lurid detail came during Hernandez’s stunning confession to cops last week in which he admitted to luring the towheaded 6-year-old into the bodega with the promise of a cold soda. Etan had been walking to his school bus stop — just across the street from the bodega — by himself for the very first time when he was abducted.

Cops are feverishly poring over old blueprints of the building to see if they include any description of the walk-in.

A longtime resident said the bodega’s owner at the time, identified as Luis, also used the basements of two neighboring businesses for storage and illegal cockfights.

Hernandez could have brought Etan’s body to a refrigerator that was either in a common storage area used by both businesses or in a space directly below the bodega where the owner’s wife cooked.


Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/etan_body_hidden_in_fridge_UtKCVlOdG93RlWA9fxMSwI#ixzz1wARgaIvM
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« Reply #110 on: May 28, 2012, 08:53:25 AM »

If this story is true then more people had to know what happened to Etan.  The owners of that bodega knew and they covered up for him.  He waited until the coast was clear to move a box with a dead boy in it all by himself at night?  I don't think so.  Someone helped this guy.
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« Reply #111 on: May 28, 2012, 08:59:14 AM »

If this story is true then more people had to know what happened to Etan.  The owners of that bodega knew and they covered up for him.  He waited until the coast was clear to move a box with a dead boy in it all by himself at night?  I don't think so.  Someone helped this guy.


After reading the article you posted(and the story is true) I agree with you San, "...more people had to know what happened to Etan."
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« Reply #112 on: May 28, 2012, 10:42:06 AM »

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/2012/05/nj_man_charged_with_killing_et.html
N.J. man charged with killing Etan Patz confessed crime to prayer group 30 years ago
May 28, 2012

EPA/NYPD handoutA flier showing a photo of Etan Patz, who went missing in 1979. Members of a prayer group Pedro Hernandez, the accused killer of Patz, told the NY Times, he admitted during a 1980s prayer group to strangling the youngster.

BLACKWOOD — Pedro Hernandez confessed last week to the 1979 murder of 6-year-old Etan Patz in lower Manhattan. While the admission was the first by Hernandez, 51, confessed to authorities, it may not have been for members of St. Anthony of Padua Roman Catholic Church in Camden, to which he belonged, according to a report by the NY Times.

In the interview with the paper, members of the prayer group Hernandez belonged to at St. Anthony of Padua, told them Hernandez admitted during a group meeting in the 1980s that he had strangled a boy and placed the body in a Dumpster. Last week Hernandez made the same admission to police, telling them he abducted and strangled Patz in the stockroom of a lower Manhattan bodega where he worked, while the youngster walked to his school bus stop. The confession bolstered a 33-year-old case.

Tomas Rivera, 76, of Blackwood, a leader of the prayer group, told the Times he did not feel it was his place to notify the police because the confession was not made to him exclusively.

“He confessed to the group,” Rivera told the paper.
Rivera also told the Times he was questioned by police last week and was instructed “not to say anything” he said.

Hernandez’s alleged confession to the group could prove crucial to the case as there is no DNA, physical or forensic evidence, nor was the body of the 6-year-old ever found.
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« Reply #113 on: May 28, 2012, 11:45:18 AM »

Why did no one in the prayer group not contact LE?  How did they live with this knowledge all this time?  I really don't understand people sometimes.
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« Reply #114 on: May 28, 2012, 01:01:57 PM »

Why did no one in the prayer group not contact LE?  How did they live with this knowledge all this time?  I really don't understand people sometimes.
Really -- I wouldn't be able to live with myself knowing a family was suffering and some precious child's body was . . .
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« Reply #115 on: May 28, 2012, 01:04:12 PM »

Why did no one in the prayer group not contact LE?  How did they live with this knowledge all this time?  I really don't understand people sometimes.
Really -- I wouldn't be able to live with myself knowing a family was suffering and some precious child's body was . . .

There should be something done about that...how is that legally okay...the worry of the family...all of the resources used...fear in the community.  If anyone knew and did not report it should be held accountable. 
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« Reply #116 on: May 29, 2012, 04:20:03 AM »

Why did no one in the prayer group not contact LE?  How did they live with this knowledge all this time?  I really don't understand people sometimes.
Really -- I wouldn't be able to live with myself knowing a family was suffering and some precious child's body was . . .

There should be something done about that...how is that legally okay...the worry of the family...all of the resources used...fear in the community.  If anyone knew and did not report it should be held accountable. 

If there isn't a law covering the failure to report a crime, it is at least certainly a moral flaw.   
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« Reply #117 on: May 29, 2012, 06:52:06 AM »

A haunting ride: Etan’s dad cycles past ‘murder site’

By LARRY CELONA , JOSH SAUL and DAN MANGAN
Last Updated: 6:16 AM, May 29, 2012
Posted: 1:47 AM, May 29, 2012



SO SAD: Stan Patz yesterday bikes toward the corner store that once was the bodega where 6-year-old Etan allegedly was killed in 1979.

Etan Patz’s father yesterday took a heartbreaking bicycle ride past the site where his 6-year-old son was allegedly murdered, as law-enforcement sources admitted it’s likely cops will never find his child’s body.

A grim-faced Stan Patz got on his bike in front of his SoHo building and pedaled down the street past the eyeglass store that now occupies 448 West Broadway. The shop was formerly the bodega where a one-time stock boy last week admitted to strangling Etan 33 years ago.

The emotional dad couldn’t keep himself from looking at the store before riding by in silence.

It now appears that he and his wife, Julie, will never get the chance to bury the remains of their angelic little boy.

Pedro Hernandez, 51, has told cops he killed Etan in the bodega’s basement May 25, 1979, and tossed his body out with the garbage at nearby 113 Thompson St.

The Sanitation Department is pulling its old records to try to determine whether the trash was removed that night by a city or private hauler and where it might have been dumped — setting the stage for a possible search for Etan’s remains.

But a law-enforcement source yesterday said that authorities “are never going to undertake that kind of searching” if the trash was taken to a landfill, noting, “It would cost millions of dollars.

“You’re talking about hundreds of tons of garbage,” the source said.

Even with a search, “You’d probably still never find that body.”

Martin Bellew, a 23-year Sanitation Department veteran who played a key role in the disposal of the 9/11 debris, said the trash pile with Etan’s body was most likely taken to the massive Fresh Kills landfill on Staten Island — taller than the Statue of Liberty when it closed in 2001.

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Read more: http://www.nypost.com/p/news/local/manhattan/haunting_ride_Jnbl1mYLz9A8gc41EwqBgM#ixzz1wFq4XICX
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« Reply #118 on: May 29, 2012, 10:26:27 AM »

My heart breaks for the Patz family.  After all this time, to face a potential certainty that they may never a proper burial for their little boy. 
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« Reply #119 on: May 29, 2012, 07:08:57 PM »

http://edition.cnn.com/2012/05/29/justice/new-york-pedro-hernandez-profile/
Who is Pedro Hernandez, accused in Etan Patz case?
By Susan Candiotti and David Ariosto, CNN
May 29, 2012


An "Inside Edition" photo of Pedro Hernandez, who authorities say has confessed to strangling Etan Patz in 1979.


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