Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 - 7/13/09

[SuzieQ]

Thanks Texasmom,
Started reading at the link you gave me and got very confused. I think MumInOhio got some of it wrong. In the Spanish community( and by them being from Venezuela I assume they are Spanish) they go by two surnames. The father first, and the mother last. So Freddie's name would be Freddie Arambatzis Zedan. Arambatzis being his father and Zedan being his mother. When they live in other countries they either hyphonate the names or just go by their mothers' name.

When I worked in personnel years ago, I thought it was the middle surname that was the mother's .....guess they had me fooled. 

2NJSons this will explain it somewhat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_naming_customs

[hotping]

Good Night 2NJ! 

[texasmom]

Thanks, SusieQ and everyone.  Was away for the weekend and am fading.  (tired blood?...     )   

Have a good night.

Justice for Natalee. 

Good night 2NJ.   

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58469.php

Google translation:

Aruba
Lampe: Aruba FATF black list '
22 Jun, 2009, 13:45 (GMT -04:00)


Oranjestad - Aruba does not meet the rules for combating laundering of the Financial Action Task Force (FATF) and will probably on the black list of this organization can be placed. The party says Rudy Lampe of RED in the Amigoe published today fully open letter to State Secretary of Kingdom Relations Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (CDA).

In the open letter points Lampe to a national decree today in the States of Aruba is discussed. In such a national institution and the establishment of a monitoring body for casinos, a so-called gaming control board regularly. The Advisory Council would be against the entry of such an institution have advised. "Against this opinion gave the government the draft still in the States and the dictatorship of eleven in the States, which the government does not check, it will issue the international reputation of the Kingdom of the Netherlands serious harm," said Lampe, who are refers to the upcoming presidency of FATF in the Netherlands. "According to the latest audit of recent FATF Aruba does not comply with the rules to combat money laundering and Aruba will probably on the black list is actually a Dutch territory during the Dutch presidency of FATF. If the creation of the foundation still continues, in the hands of friends and family of the current government including ex-minister, who recently was convicted of violating the comptabiliteitsverordening, the damage for the Netherlands are even higher, Lampe said.

Corruption
The party further in the letter that the claims of States President Wyatt-Ras that initiative laws of the opposition are not obstructed and that the government group is indeed the government does not monitor true. Also, the recent history of Aruba, according to Lampe have proven "that corruption is not absent of government procurement. "The convictions in the Fondo case, including the ex-leader of the AVP / CDA, speak volumes. The number of violations of procurement since 2001, the MEP the upper hand, is shockingly increased, "said Rudy Lampe in his letter to the Secretary of State.

[SuzieQ]

Goodnight sweet monkeys. Way past my bedtime.

[hotping]

Good Night SuzieQ! 

[texasmom]

Goodnight sweet monkeys. Way past my bedtime.

Good night SuzieQ. 

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58467.php

Aruba

Red Cross busy concert

22 Jun, 2009, 13:42 (GMT -04:00)



 
ORANGE CITY - Employees of the Red Cross had their hands full last Saturday. During the concert reggae band Tribal Seeds, the ambulance service of the few times out to the first persons to help carry. Some concert completely by an excess of alcohol and other drugs. A member of the security team was unwell because he had forgotten his blood pressure medication to take.

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58465.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Crime: Robberies and burglaries

22 Jun, 2009, 13:41 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - The police have last weekend busy with robberies and burglaries in various locations. For example, the McDonald's in Santa Cruz robberies, there was a break-in restaurant in Palm Beach Bingo and a woman in Caya Betico Croes robbed and beaten.

Fast food restaurant McDonald's in Santa Cruz last Saturday night was robbed by two armed men. This is a large amount of money captured. The pair waited until an employee by the back door came out to throw rubbish away. Armed with a gun, the robbers go in and demanded the daily turnover. Allegedly is a sum of nearly 10,000 florin. The perpetrators are still on the run.

Bingo
Bingo Cafe-restaurant in Palm Beach last night is also the victim of theft. The owner discovered the burglary and the police informed. Burglars know access to the building to provide wires of the alarm system by cutting and in the vault off them. Contents of the vault was a small 15,000 florin, 1000 and several passports.

ATM
A woman was last night at an ATM in Caya Betico Croes robbed and beaten by three men. They made just gepinde money cheated her and beat her to bloedens in the face. The woman was just after midnight at the ATM of the Aruba Bank to withdraw funds. After she had her money, she was attacked and beaten by three men. The men went off on foot. The security of the main street has seen nothing of the incident. They found the victim bleeding in the vicinity of the ATM and switched the emergency. The woman who a few injuries in the face had been, exposed bled. An ambulance had to come to the victim to treat. It is further transported to the hospital treatment.

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/printer_58470.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Note police on joint facility

22 Jun, 2009, 13:47 (GMT -04:00)




 
The chief of Aruba, Curacao, Bonaire, St. Maarten, St. Eustatius and Saba were last Thursday and Friday in Aruba alia to discuss cooperation after the disintegration of the Antilles.
ORANGE CITY - The police forces of the Upper and Lower Windward Islands late last week in Aruba consultations on further cooperation after the disintegration of the Netherlands Antilles. The Chief Executive has decided on a joint note of proposals for a joint facility.

This note to the police forces in October to the directors of the islands produce, according to the Aruban police chief Peter de Witte. "The rijkswet for the transformation of the police of the West Indies to independent forces is indeed independent of Aruba, but it does have consequences for the corps here. We look now or we're not just joint, a common supply of police forces. So on the basis of effectiveness and efficiency, of course, maintaining autonomy, see if we can do things together. "
According to White there is no picture of what the corps can do together. It is decided to the joint note on the structure, organization and content of such a joint facility. "These include specialists within the police that is too expensive for a country. If we are, it is cheaper and can do it. "

Integrity
During the consultation of the chief also discussed the approach of integrity. The forces have a concept Integrity Plan 2009-2011 drafted which agreed that the program integrity of the police forces are aligned. Also if you want to learn from each other, according to De Witte. Within each corps is called an integrity coordinator appointed and during the discussions last week presentation. Decided to integrity as part of the basic police training to take. Also, according to the College more expertise in management should be created.

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58471.php

Google translation:

Two athletes have Mexican flu

22 Jun, 2009, 13:49 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - The two Aruban athletes in Trinidad joined to a volleybaltoernooi until now fifteen athletes became infected with the Mexican flu are also infected. Anyone in contact with the athletes is reached, since Saturday when the news became known, tested.

The two young people are not in quarantine, but just stay home. Minister of Health said this morning Booshi Wever regular telephone contact with them to have. The young people make it good. At the two is constantly asked to foot a cap to wear and no direct contact with other people have.

The cruise ship Ocean Dream last Friday with three crew members infected aanmeerde, Minister Wever will depart Friday from Aruba. All passengers have been disembarked and checked. There are no new infection cases detected. Most are already home. The tourists who actually had to leave last Friday, are currently staying in hotels. All costs are reimbursed by the Spanish company Pullmantur.

Caribbean Games postponed
The Caribbean Games from July 12 to July 19 in Trinidad & Tobago would take place, are provisionally postponed due to the further spread of Mexican flu in the region in recent weeks. President of Caribbean Association of National Olympic Committees is disappointed by the decision. "We have worked very hard so far to come. We have 50,000 dollars spent on preparations, "said Chairman Steve Stoute. "We hope that soon a date can be pricked for the Caribbean games. Everything depends on the evolution of flu. "

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58472.php

Google translation:

Netherlands: plan of 'maladministration' Aruba

22 Jun, 2009, 13:50 (GMT -04:00)

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The Dutch State Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten Nebahat Albayrak together with Prime Minister Nelson Oduber after their meeting this morning in the Administration Office.

ORANGE CITY - The Netherlands and Aruba come to a plan to determine what is true of administrative abuses in the island. This has been State Secretary Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (Kingdom, CDA) and Prime Minister Nelson Oduber this morning during a lightning visit by the Dutch government informed lady.

The plan is no investigation of corruption such as the Dutch Minister earlier in the First and Second Chamber promised. Both countries will first see if the 'facts' which the Netherlands over abuses by various government bodies in Aruba should be further investigated whether and how it may need to be addressed. According to Prime Minister Nelson Oduber, the plan of action at administrative level are drawn. If the plan should be ready, is not disclosed. The Secretary of State this afternoon departure back to Curaçao.
Even Justice Minister Rudy Croes has traveled to the neighboring island for tripartite consultations on justice and governance that is taking place Wednesday. The minister spoke shortly before his departure with the Dutch Minister of Justice Nebahat Albayrak (PvdA), which together with Bijleveld had come from the Netherlands. Albayrak also spoke with the Aruban prime minister and governor and later a visit including Attorney General Rob Pietersz KIA in prison.

[texasmom]

Truth & Justice for Natalee!

[jen3560]

Hello monkeys,

Jen:  I didn't want you to think I missed your question - we are just on at different times.  Not a forensic search (although my opinion of a forensic search is totally different than ALE) - more like "let's just move the stuff around to see if there is anything blatently there to hide investigate".   And not early on.  Reminds me of the secondary search of the VDS residence - any one of us monkeys good have done a more thorough job.
BTW, I agree with your definition of hypocrisy.

sorry for the mis-type - it was a cross between "any one of us monkeys could have" and "any good monkey would have" ...

Thanks Sleuth!  Do you know if it was before, or after the Gesterkemps (Klein) bought it?

[jen3560]

Just a real quick question...Who is Debbie?

LOL - boy that is a loaded question! 

[Tamikosmom]

I'm really stumped by what Tim said to Dana about having raised money/not having raised money (1.5 mil), and believing THAT reporting error is what dried up their donations.

I wonder if Tim realizes the probability of the ACTUAL reason donations to TES dried up, was the news of his continued association with a known criminal and liar - Louis Schaefer, and a man who turned his back on what both Kyle and Tim felt were the remains of Natalee - John Silvetti.

I know that made my stomach turn, and I know I was far from the only person who felt/feels that way.

I doubt that's the reason donations have dried up because most don't even follow the NH case any more.  More likely do to the following:

1.  The economy

2.  Seems like recently TES pulled out of a couple of searches (Caylee Anthony, Haleigh Cummings and there was another he backed out of going to in another state..I forget the name of the case right now).  Judging by some of the comments I see about TES on the front page of SM and as I read around people have been disenchanted with TES of late.

3.  That 1.5million Tim Miller says he needs Jen Hale swears that Tim himself told her they had.  Tim says no, Jen says yes.  Confusing.

Other than those who participate or read the Natalee Holloway forums ... I do not think that many Armericans are aware of the controversary encompassing John Silvetti's betrayal to Natalee and the family when he afforded unchallenged possession of what could have been Natalee Holloway's remains to the enemy or ... Louis Schaefer and John Silvetti's questionable business dealings.

I do believe the last of the media attention regarding John Silvetti's in regards to the Persistence was the Dateline special which shed only a positive light on the contribution of these two men in the search of Aruban waters for the remains of Natalee Holloway.

Klaas I also doubt that Tim Miller's ongoing associated with John Silvetti and Louis Schaefer is not at the root of donations drying up for the TES organization.

Good Morning Monkeys!

Janet
6:10 AM PT

[Tamikosmom]

Mods

Kyle Kingman's remains s/b Natalee's remains

Please edit.

I am up early doing chores.  I guess I am not fully awake.

 

Thank you.

Janet

Done

[2NJSons_Mom]

Thanks Texasmom,
Started reading at the link you gave me and got very confused. I think MumInOhio got some of it wrong. In the Spanish community( and by them being from Venezuela I assume they are Spanish) they go by two surnames. The father first, and the mother last. So Freddie's name would be Freddie Arambatzis Zedan. Arambatzis being his father and Zedan being his mother. When they live in other countries they either hyphonate the names or just go by their mothers' name.

When I worked in personnel years ago, I thought it was the middle surname that was the mother's .....guess they had me fooled. 

2NJSons this will explain it somewhat.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Spanish_naming_customs

Thank you, SusieQ.   I now believe that this is what I was told back then and my memory was lacking/confused last night.   It's all coming back to me.   

[NM]

Morning Monkeys.

Fondly remembering great times on this date 4 yrs ago.
paulass vanderslob was arrested today.


Justice for Natalee.

[sharon]

Thanks for the reminder NM... 

(And a quick hello to all my monkey friends -- I'm still doing my crazy commute, but always check in)


http://scaredmonkeys.com/2005/06/23/

Evening Update; Natalee Holloway
According to Fox News, Hannity & Colmes interview …

As per Prosecutors office spokesperson, Mariane Croes, Paulus Van der Sloot is being held in suspicion of the disappearance of Natalee Holloway, NOT THE COVER UP. He is being held on the same charges as the previously four detained suspects.

Paulus Van der Sloot to be held another 48 hours.

*******
The Iowa Channel ; Mother: Son Admits To Being Alone With Missing AL Girl

A Dutch teen detained in connection with the disappearance of an Alabama teenager in Aruba has reportedly changed the story he initially gave police.

The boy’s mother told The Associated Press her son now admits to being alone with Natalee Holloway on a beach. But she said he insists he did not hurt Holloway.

UPDATE: 12:15am EDT
Tonight on CNN’s Larry King, Prosecutors office spokesperson, Mariane Croes, said the following:

“Paulus Van der Sloot was arrested on the suspicion of premeditated murder”

All of the suspects in custody were arrested with the same charge.
(excerpt from transcript)

KING: And why are they suspects?

CROES: At this point the general description is that they are suspected of being involved in the disappearance of Ms. Holloway. That’s the general description. But because when we arrest somebody, you have to have a reasonable suspicion of specific crimes, so at this point all the suspects are arrested on the first crime of premeditated murder.

KING: So that is — is that a charge?

CROES: At this point it is only a reasonable suspicion. The definite accusation and in American system “charge” will be made when the investigation is finished. And the prosecutor has reviewed all of the evidence pertaining to this investigation.

Also Larry King interviewed Robin Holloway, Dave Holloway and Natalee’s aunt, Marcia Twitty. Unfortunately he also had defense attorney Michael Cardoza, who really should not have been apart of this interview. Cordoza really made some insensitive comments. Transcript can be found here.

http://transcripts.cnn.com/TRANSCRIPTS/0506/23/lkl.01.html

Edit: Added transcript link