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Author Topic: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 - 7/13/09  (Read 418484 times)
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« Reply #1200 on: June 27, 2009, 01:45:06 PM »

Hi Monkeys!   

It's sweltering here, so I'm in the AC catching up on what you guys have been doing.

Just wanted to say HELLO and wish you all a great week-end!!   
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« Reply #1201 on: June 27, 2009, 01:48:57 PM »

Hi Monkeys!   

It's sweltering here, so I'm in the AC catching up on what you guys have been doing.

Just wanted to say HELLO and wish you all a great week-end!!   

Hi CBB!  It's blazing hot here today too, I'm headed outside for as long as I can stand it to do a few things.

Have a great weekend!   
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1202 on: June 27, 2009, 02:27:54 PM »

WHO was able to convence SS to backtrack?  I contend that it is very important that this person is identified.

SS was able to articulate so well why she was a believer that Natalee Holloway was in that trap.

Janet

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #697 on: December 06, 2008, 03:26:15 PM »


I have pretty much been a believer that Natalee was buried on land, but after Kyle's calculations, I don't think so anymore.  Kyle is a trained oceanographer and he has been taught how to make those calculations of objects on the ocean floor.  Kyle's calculations are actually the first piece of scientific data that we have after three and a half years .....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg569178#msg569178


JANUARY, 2008

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #795 1/23/09 -
« Reply #508 on: January 26, 2009, 11:00:46 PM »


I don't believe Natalee was in the cage.  I have believed for a long time that Natalee was put in a cemetery .....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4434.msg646440#msg646440
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« Reply #1203 on: June 27, 2009, 02:34:23 PM »

Well ... I have another 30 minutes behind the scenes working on my document and ... then tidying up for company is where it is at.

I hope that rain is in the immediate future for all you who are experiencing the hot/dry spell.

Have a good Saturday Monkeys.

Janet
11:30 AM PT

 
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« Reply #1204 on: June 27, 2009, 02:56:02 PM »

GIVE HER BACK!

SS - how bout I expose you?



Kermit

What is the holdup?

 

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« Reply #1205 on: June 27, 2009, 03:42:12 PM »

WHO was able to convInce SS to backtrack?  I contend that it is very important in researching the Persistence story that this person is identified.

SS was able to articulate so well her reasoning why she was a believer that Natalee Holloway was in that trap and ... Tamikosmom concurred.

Janet

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #697 on: December 06, 2008, 03:26:15 PM »


I have pretty much been a believer that Natalee was buried on land, but after Kyle's calculations, I don't think so anymore.  Kyle is a trained oceanographer and he has been taught how to make those calculations of objects on the ocean floor.  Kyle's calculations are actually the first piece of scientific data that we have after three and a half years .....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg569178#msg569178


JANUARY, 2008

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #795 1/23/09 -
« Reply #508 on: January 26, 2009, 11:00:46 PM »


I don't believe Natalee was in the cage.  I have believed for a long time that Natalee was put in a cemetery .....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4434.msg646440#msg646440



A REMINDER

The fabric - The Tarp - The vertebrae - The Skull

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS


Kyle Kingman:  Dateline (Tim Uelinger) had an agreement with Tim Miller to 'do a story to tell about and help promote TES and give TM recognition, and perhaps a 10 minute side-line story on Natalee along with 11 other missing persons. Dateline tagged along with TM for a while pre-NH search. They (TM and Dateline) came on the Persistence between 15-Dec and 30-Dec. I found the trap on 1:45am Christmas morning.  I got the OK to begin our ROV dive series for the 29th, so I made it our first dive. We got visual of the fish trap and that it was suspicious. Basically, the fish trap door was open and there appeared to be a skull and torso-shape in sand on the door inside the trap Reviewing the 29-Dec video I noticed the torso shape in sand had a 90 degree angle and that the sand was supported from falling through the bottom of the trap, which was slightly excavated by currents. I proportioned out the distance from the top of the head, to shoulder, to that 90 degree angle and it was a match to Natalee's photo of her standing -head, to shoulder, to the end of her denim skirt. I showed TM the proportional match and the possibility of a skirt under the sand and he said he's going to tell the parents. I said definitely not until we sample the trap and get results. He made the call to Dave and Beth independently.

Kyle Kingman:  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed.  Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle Kingman: We all know it wasn't a blouse, but I believe they were sent some piece of fabric other than the fabric found inside the trap.

Kyle Kingman: The portion of the discolored blue fabric was presumably on the bottom of the fabric. In my opinion this discoloration is not another type of fabric, but rather biological staining or discoloration from biological growth caused from a high organic carbon content and decay. Basically, during decay a biological mat will form around the organics from remains. This is what I believe it is on the bottom of the fabric.

Kyle Kingman: It was confirmed by the FBI that they received a fabric sample send by Richardson and that it wasn't a match to Natalee's blouse. I think the video can prove or disprove whatever the FBI was sent was the same object or not. I strongly believe it's blue denim.

Kyle Kingman: Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand. I believe her left arm was outstretched with her legs slightly bent. I did not edit the legs. I believe the tarp was placed over her and tucked around her, or perhaps tied down. I believe there are several rocks laying on the sand which were placed on the tarp, or inside the tarp over her body which explains their unusual location. Either way, the proportions appear promising.

Kyle Kingman: The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand. He then bagged the blue fabric. If the other bag contains fabric, it was also in the sand. There was also something possibly recovered from far inside the trap. In the video the diver is inside the trap with just below his knees showing. I don't know what was sampled far inside the trap if anything.

Kyle Kingman: In my opinion that last pic from Jan 7th should be absolutely intriguing and flip your mind from what you thought you knew. In case it isn't clear.. notice the blue denim-like fabric.

Kyle Kingman: Notice the blue fabric swayed in the current.

Kyle Kingman: The blue tarp piece was found approx 6-10 ft away from the trap opening.

Kyle Kingman:   I am 100% confident other important items are at that site and can be found during processing of the site with a suction system.  The only confirmation of items sampled were blue fabric and the piece of tarp.  This is the only thing Richardson and Mos independantly confirmed.  Remember, they each only confirmed one piece.  One confirmed blue fabric, the other confirmed tarp.  From the video you see both.

Kyle Kingman: The most likely to remain at or near it's original location was the skull, which is why I was so convinced the object pictured was a skull.

Kyle Kingman:  John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand.

Kyle Kingman: I'm sorry if this is disturbing. I took the picture of Natalee standing on the beach and cropped, rotated, and scaled the image to correlate with the trap body form. Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand.

Kyle Kingman: The bag that is above the denim bag looks to me as though it contains pieces of vertebrae.

Kyle Kingman:  As of the 2nd week of Feb, this is what I had learned from the FBI: The contents of the trap were being actively investigated. The forensic results of a fabric sample showed the fabric sample was not a match to Natalee's blouse and that no DNA match to Natalee was found within that fabric sample. Human remains were found, but the FBI was not and would not comment on the case. The FBI did not comment on the remains, but rather the fabric sample.

Kyle Kingman: In my opinion, the blue fabric is quite possibly Natalee's skirt. The divers found the denim where I suggested a week earlier (Dec 29th) to Tim Miller that there was likely Natalee's denim skirt under the sand. Also in my opinion, the deni-like fabric is a match in terms of color, quantity, and structure to Natalee's skirt. It's not a lot of denim folded in the bag, but then again her skirt was rather small.
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« Reply #1206 on: June 27, 2009, 07:41:32 PM »

6/27/2009 Awe Mainta Front Page

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Papiamentu translation:

accidente earnest cu one sambuyador

diabierna morning owing to enter informacion of one caso at barcadera, where cu boat cu owing to bay take away turistanan for diving owing to happen on one tourist cu owing to cay for of the boat. at once owing to dirigi police because; ambulance p’e sitio. at arrival of the patrol policial, they owing to achieve cu one boat cu owing to end of trece one victima of one accidente on lama. is deal here of one tourist cu will owing to cay for of boat y after of esey the wiek of the boat will owing to strike his cabes. others is tell, cu chapaleta of the boat owing to clip the tourist here malamente in his cabez. mirando the gravedad owing to ask presencia of ambulance cu more urgencia, y at they arrival at once did take the victima over for of the boat y owing to pase in ambulance p’asina owing to hibe hospital. according one ultimo informe his condicion is stabiel. autoridad have the caso here bao investigacion.
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1207 on: June 27, 2009, 07:44:54 PM »

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Pitcher Sidney Ponson suspended for doping

27 Jun, 2009, 14:33 (GMT -04:00)

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Sidney Ponson

ORANGE CITY - The Aruban baseball player Sidney Ponson (32), the international baseball federation for two years suspended for doping. The pitcher for Kansas City Royals in March during the World Baseball Classic, caught on the use of the banned stimulant phentermine, an appetite inhibitor.

The Dutch team which Ponson threw then, during the world tournament was a surprisingly good impression. Shortly after he signed a Minor League contract with Kansas City Royals. He would in time also in the Major League could work.

Ponson is injured on his right elbow, an injury he suffered in May. He may, however, for the U.S. team to come out. The U.S. baseball federation follows the guidelines of the International andidopingbureau WADA condemns not a player in the case of a first offense to a fine and a medical examination.

According to the agent of the ballplayer Ponson swallowed the drug to lose weight. "The medicine was prescribed by a doctor," said the manager of Kansas City Royals, Trey Hillman to AP news agency. "He had all the party is aware that he swallowed it and it was good."

Ponson made his debut in 1998 in the U.S. Major League. He played including Texas, New York Yankees, Baltimore, San Francisco and this year for Kansas City. His best season was in 2003.
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1208 on: June 27, 2009, 07:51:49 PM »

Does anyone know who this Jossy Mansur is, or is it just an old picture.
Friend of Julia Renfro
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Maybe?

http://www.diarioaruba.com/diahuebs/staff/

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Agencia Arubano di Noticia

DIRECTOR
Jossy M. Mansur

DIRECTOR ASISTENTE
Luis M. Mansur

Jossy E. Mansur

Eduardo Mansur

Damilice Mansur

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http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4129.500





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In the middle picture, the guy on the far left, in blue shirt and blue jeans, has the same eyes/look as the "scary" guy, in the corner, in the Mos picture on the Persistence. The guy on boat looked heavier and had less hair but the face looks the same.   

If someone that has far better computer skills then i,could impose both pictures of this gentleman side by side,that would be greatly appreciated!TIA..
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« Reply #1209 on: June 27, 2009, 07:53:34 PM »

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58788.php

Google translation:

Brenda Bouwman no longer Amigoe

27 Jun, 2009, 14:30 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - Brenda Bouwman works since the end of May this year more Amigoe di Aruba. Bouman has a number of important management decisions of the Amigoe groups. In particular, improving the delivery of the paper, printing the newspaper on Aruba and the move to samana Building took place under her leadership.

Thanks to all colleagues take Brenda Bouwman afascheid of Amigoe di Aruba. The Group Amigoe wish her all the best.
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Employees at the Holiday Inn casino said van der Sloot and the Kalpoes were part of a group of young regulars at the poker tables. They also said teens from the Mountain Brook group visited often during their five-day trip, playing cards with the local boys and drinking heavily, sometimes before noon.

Brenda Bouwman, marketing manager for the casino, said everybody who worked there knew the Mountain Brook teenagers “because they were partying and they were loud.” She said Holloway was seen with a group at the blackjack tables on Sunday, May 29, although she did not think the girl was gambling.
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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Kamelya Naderi (24) missing

27 Jun, 2009, 14:30 (GMT -04:00)

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ORANGE CITY - The 24-year-old Kamelya Naderi has Tuesday, May 12 missing. The origin of Iranian women stayed at a friend but left after a quarrel. On May 12 she had the last contact with her brother in the Netherlands. She also later had telephone contact with a friend on Texel. In that interview she gave to stay with friends they had met during her stay in Aruba.

Naderi has long blond curly hair, brown eyes and a tinted color. She is 1 meter 60 long and has a slim build. Notable features include a tattoo of a butterfly on her belly and navel piercing. She wears a gold name necklace. Persons with information about this woman is asked to contact the Dutch search in Alkmaar. Tips can also be reported on the website of TV Missing: www.vermist.nl.
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1211 on: June 27, 2009, 08:00:56 PM »

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Aruba

Aruba denies problems with police and court

27 Jun, 2009, 14:28 (GMT -04:00)


ORANGE CITY - "The tone is arrogant. The letter also breathes pretend as if knowledge of the facts are considered. Not at all, this is the case. "" That letter uses vague and made no factual foundation. "The two letters from the reign of the First Lady and Second Chamber demonstrated an unfortunate lack of understanding of facts."

Here are some sentences from the letters of Aruban authorities who responded to the letter from the Dutch State Secretary for Kingdom Relations, Ank Bijleveld-Schouten (CDA) on May 25 on the state of governance in Aruba in the Dutch parliament. Prime Minister Nelson Oduber has personally handed over during the lightning visit of the Secretary of State last Monday to Aruba. The State could not yet respond. "Try again in a few weeks," said its spokesman.

The letters were also sent to the First and Second Chamber, the Vice-President of the Council of State and the Aruban parliament. These are six letters in June prepared by the Attorney-General (PG), the chief of police, the head of the National Investigation, Prison Service, aliens IASA organization and the Registry of the Court in First Instance.

Corruption
PG Rob Pietersz emphasized in his letter to the Netherlands he was earlier in this newspaper said: "The declarations in respect of corruption are not excessively high. That is exaggerated. Accordingly, there are many more reports in the Netherlands in corruption cases. "Most cases are prosecuted and the guilty to trial, which the PG is shown that the mechanism of prosecution work. And there is no reason to say that the prosecution is not "appropriate" function. The PG and the head of the National Criminal cases are not left as a result of understaffing. "There is in the last four years a small number of major corruption investigations to the National Recherche dedicated, additional human resources required," said the head of the rechercheteam. This was the team co-operation of other services. Early this year, two investigators
attracted.

Court
State Secretary Bijleveld, in its letter and also that of February 23 to the Lower House expressed its concerns about the functioning of justice in Aruba. This view from above in the 'difficult' Notice of Aruba to the improvement of the Common Court of Justice. And also that our country against the concept rijkswet CRWH for the new organization of the Court after the disintegration of the Netherlands Antilles.
This will include the land registries no services anymore. Aruba, who like the Court is sitting here, has now decided that the registry service remains a country. The Registry of the Court in First Instance reacts to this by stating that the CRWH an elaboration of the 2005 opinion established by the Court. Aruba is not a contribution when requested and not to the resulting plan. Furthermore, the court in recent years the organization's management to improve and optimize to. The training of staff, better staff organization, administration and ICT. The annual report of the Court of 2007, according to the court that the Aruban court is not bad. The judges appear per person double the number of cases to handle than, for example, judges in Curaçao, which also deal with the affairs of Bonaire. "If the higher appeals included is the production per court 100 percent higher than in Curaçao," said the clerk, according to whom the results thus partly thanks to the support staff. The court says that there is indeed still need improvements, but called the statement of the Secretary of State - on the difficult Aruba to improve the necessary improvements by the short turn.


Police
The Netherlands believes that the government here does little to the improvement of the Aruba Police Corps, which results from the 2006 protocol concluded between the two countries to facilitate. This is slow progress. Also because there is a large and under the Corps does not always supported by other government, which is needed for projects to be implemented. The chief does not believe that the Government or Minister of Justice does not want to invest in the Corps. He recognizes that not all red tape 'promote' is: "But many countries suffer from." Also, he declared by the staff stop by the government, not all vacancies can be filled. Chief Peter de Witte decision letter with a number of positive developments. As an increase of 40 percent of the number of minutes compared to 2006 and that crime rises less than other countries in the region.
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

Beth Holloway, 2015 interview with Greta van Susteren
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Google translation:

Aruba

Five years required for importing 42 kilos of coke

27 Jun, 2009, 14:25 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - A group of three men, C.F. Mathilda, R.A. Aular and B.M. Cuero,
Thursday had to justify before the court for various drug offenses. Main suspect Cuero heard five year unconditional imprisonment against themselves requirements. The public prosecutor (OM) is responsible for the importation of 42 kilos of cocaine late September 2008.

Cuero is also accused of possession of nearly 9 pounds of marijuana on October 10, 2008. The drugs were found in the car of his girlfriend, packed in different packages. Cuero has admitted that he had asked his girlfriend to get the packets but it says nothing to do. The drugs were his and he takes responsibility for it. On October 24, 2008 Cuero was arrested and is committed to search his residence in Seru Pita. The officer is there when using a drug dog found evidence of drugs. Finally, the suspect also accused of membership in a criminal organization. Cuero denies this, however, certainly. The officer stressed that the suspect in 2005 even though convicted drug for five years and therefore demanded unconditional.

By Mathilda demanded the officer 180 days jail with less pre-trial and probation of two years. He is accused of drug possession. He would be between September and October 2008 for about 3.5 grams of cocaine in his car had. He was also the OM in possession of several packages of marijuana with a total weight of over 1.5 kilos.

The third suspect Aular is due to medical problems abroad. It is unknown when he returned to the island will be for the court appearance. The case against him is therefore provisionally postponed.
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1213 on: June 27, 2009, 08:09:26 PM »

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Aruba

Agents move to the right

27 Jun, 2009, 14:24 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY - Police union to get SPA Tuesday, June 30 to court because some 60 policemen secure their allowance have been paid yet. "We have talked," said SPA President Guillfred Besaril.

"Since April, we were promised that we would get paid continuously allowance. Then in May and now we have decided to court to find a solution, "says Besaril. The government must pay each police officer an allowance because they continuously running service. This means that they do not work nine to five but irregular times. According Besaril is about fifty or sixty a man who have not received their money. Per agent is an amount of 750 a 1500 florin. This means that the government must pay up to 90,000 florin this group police officers. According Besaril gave the government as reason not to pay them 'questions' have. "With question marks mean the government that they are not sure whether the police meet all the requirements to qualify for the allowance paid to get. If the possibility exists that the agents do not meet the requirements they must meet to be eligible for the continuous allowance, the government should warn us a long time. This has never happened. "In 2008 there was a similar case involving two policemen walked into the court. They won this matter eventually. "It's not fair that some of the agents that the same work as the other, well paid and the other not." SPA is Monday in conversation with their lawyer Demmis Elis to see how this best can be solved and what actions they will undertake. "Maybe we need the normal working hours of staff work."
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1214 on: June 27, 2009, 08:27:19 PM »

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_58782.php

She probably doesn't have a snowballs chance....but I liked some of what she had to say.   

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Aruba

"Democracy must return to Aruba"

27 Jun, 2009, 14:19 (GMT -04:00)


 
Merrel Curie
In run-up to parliamentary elections in September, the Amigoe a series of portraits of election candidates. Central to the campaign, funding and vision. This time a portrait of: Merrel Curie (31), new boxes candidate for the MPA.

ORANGE CITY - They want democracy in Aruba back. When Merrel Curie at the end of 2007 after a stay of twelve years abroad came back to Aruba, it was for her politically, a great shock. "Politics has always been a positive meaning, but here in Aruba is negative. Instead of problems and to talk to each other has been here in Aruba just criticize each other and nothing happens. "

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Curie, the people of Aruba to see it differently and many professional can. So no family or political appointees, but people with the right capabilities in the right positions. "How can we govern a country if there is no cooperation?" Asks Curriel wondered. "Aruba is a country and not two, one for the MEP and one for AVP.De the essence of democracy is gone, how can democratic Aruba with a party in government?"
For its part to contribute to the development of Aruba, Curie has decided to enter politics. It indicates that the time for change. "If we repeat the same government at the helm, then it would be to Aruba, be too late may. Four years this policy is detrimental to Aruba, so Curiel disagree. "Now we can have something to do, I would like my contribution to make." As a party was the MEP as the ASF directly, since, as the politician in waiting, guilty to the current mismanagement. The choice of the MPA was the brand-politician made quickly. "It's a party four years and a professional at the helm has."

The party is characterized, according to Curie, by her determination, courage, commitment and courage. "At this time, these are capabilities that we use it, there would need to happen Aruba change. I am not a politician but I would like to work hard and I have the knowledge. "They think that they fit in a neighborhood with young professionals who are all eager to make change. A traditional way of thinking does not fit with her.

MPA goes for four, five seats in parliament. Together with the democratic party wants Curie thoughts Aruba alive. They hope that a coalition government can be. Curie is still too early to indicate which parties should form coalition. "This is for the people of Aruba, but good governance and sound policies which will form the basis of a new government. "If they are elected by the people, then she will be a place in the States or even a minister post proudly accept.

Health
MPA is a social democratic party in which the human heart and in the policy as they are very social. Curie said that the Party has achieved a lot last four years, but they still want more. Given her background in biochemistry is its flagship health. The current situation in health is very bad example, she concludes. As one of its first tasks, it is creating an entirely new policy. "Regrettably, in recent years there have been people who had ideas but not knowledge. This Aruba now live with the consequences. "As an example she cites the poor level of the hospital. Also, she questioned the Director of Public Health which it also is the Inspector of Health. "Someone can not simultaneously hold such functions. This may simply not. "It is certainly intend to change to it.

Not afraid of audit
The relationship with the Netherlands should definitely work, to give Curie. The current corruption investigation that the Netherlands wants to implement should certainly come, they will find, however, she feels that good should be thought about who or what body should carry out this research. "It is very important that this should not be afraid Aruba for an investigation, but this right should welcome. "Especially if you have nothing to hide, why would you then fear and stop?" She likes the fact that Aruba with some regular checks will and must be seen as an audit, a country where many of can learn. "Imagine if nobody checks, where should it go!"

Curie found that Aruba is lagging behind the rest of the world. The government should go professional. There should be invested in education, training and education of officials. "You can do much to invest in infrastructure and beautiful new buildings down, but if people in those buildings have no working knowledge of the facts, then we do not shoot it." In addition, Curie how Aruba is currently with the Dutch so-called European deals are difficult to digest. They find it shameful that this group of people discriminated against. "Arubans have a big mouth when it comes to discrimination, but they do it just as hard. And why should an Aruban or move to the Netherlands and not the other? " Again, these are issues that her heart.

Healthy Schools
For the youth should there Curie better after-school care to be: "Both parents usually work and the children roam the streets." She wants children after school to the reception, where they have homework, sports and can go with their peers in a safe environment to spend time. Also she called "healthy schools" where they introduce stress imposed that eating healthy food at an early stage should be taught. This so that the children normally that healthy food and snack all day. "At this moment leads 77 percent of the population of Aruba obesity with all consequences. It should really be implemented compete. "To reduce it would also introduce a healthy food label. Also entering the school is at its high on the list. "Where do you find a country in 2009 which still has no school, it is too ridiculous for words."

Curie regrets that the present government so little attention is paid to the youth, "The youth is after all our future, we should invest in". In addition, the government will consider its own future as Aruba now depends on two pillars: the Valero and tourism. "Now the Valero threatens to fall, would only tourism remain. Aruba should start thinking about diversification of the island, for example by encouraging small business or medical tourism. It is time for initiatives instead of waiting. "

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Campaign
The new bins politician is all in her campaign started. In addition to the traditional way of campaigning, such as giving interviews, writing articles and giving press conferences, if they try dialogue with the people to launch. They appeal to the people themselves. If she has a support team that will accompany her campaign. The campaign itself will be financed by funds obtained by fundraising and organizing various activities. It indicates that the MPA is not so much money that her and the pink houses on the island will appear, but: "This is the party free to do what we want and we are not influenced by sponsors who always value for money want to have. "MPA is also against the sponsors of their campaign and want to remain neutral. The Committee will also, if necessary, private money in the campaign stabbing. "Everything for the charity."

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Merrel Curie (31) is married and has one daughter half. After completing her havo she vetrokken to America to study biology at the Florida International University. After her graduation in 2001 she moved to Leiden to the University of Leiden to study biomedical sciences. In 2004 she studied and she at first worked for two major research projects, then the industry was as a medical advisor. November 2007 Curie is returned to Aruba and has established himself as an independent entrepreneur.
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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1215 on: June 27, 2009, 08:44:41 PM »

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Kindergarten closed because Mexican flu 26 Jun, 2009, 14:20 (GMT -04:00)

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Kindergarten the Frogs precautionary temporarily close its doors after it was disclosed that one of the infants infected with Mexican flu.

ORANGE CITY - Frogs in the kindergarten Bubali since closed yesterday due to a case of the Mexican flu. It is not a new case but the three-brother of the pupil of Kudawecha confirms Anky Vrolijk, coordinator of the Frogs. Kudawecha was closed yesterday after it was known that a pupil AH1N1 the virus had occurred.

The games will remain closed as a precaution a week. "The child was already a week into school. The risk of infection is therefore very small, "said Vrolijk. The kindergarten has 19 children and two escorts. These are only tested if they have flu symptoms, says the coordinator.

The building of the kindergarten, to include after-school care Kapoentje be thoroughly cleaned to reduce the chance of contamination as small as possible. Kapoentje remain closed until Monday, Frogs will reopen next Thursday. Both Kapoentje the Frogs covered by Dori foundation.

"When we heard that the final child was infected with swine flu, I immediately contacted the board of our foundation," said Vrolijk. "In consultation was then decided to close the security two days to go for a thorough cleaning." Incidentally, this was not a requirement, the authorities have advised us but not imposed, they stressed. They also want to say that they are helped by the staff of Public Health. "They are long and have helped us very well in informing the parents." The parents of the other children responded by Vrolijk quiet. "There was no panic or chaos, they were very understanding." The infected boy is it good Vrolijk. "I spoke with the mother and his symptoms are gone. He had no medicine but simply uitgeziekt. "The boy was suspected of contamination by contact with his uncle, an athlete who only fought back a volleybaltoernooi in Trinidad. The mother contacted the Diagnostic Center when the children on June 18 flu symptoms as fever and had diarrhea.
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1216 on: June 27, 2009, 08:55:49 PM »

http://www.24ora.com/content/blogcategory/1/5/

Original Text:

Maiky Farro a fayece awe     
Saturday, 27 June 2009 - 16:28 


Un rato pasa a drenta informacion cu e conocido Maiky Farro a fayece na dr. Horacio Oduber Hospital. Maiky Faro a bira conoci despues di a keda deteni acusa di a malversa casi 10 miyon florin na Lands Laboratorium. Corte a condene algun luna pasa pero recientemente el'a bira malo y mester a wordo interna den Hospital. Manera cu nos a publica ayera caba, e tabata den Medium Care y debi na su situacion delicado a pase pa Cuido Intensivo y tabata lucha pa su bida. Awe sinembargo el'a lanta mas malo y complicacionnan a pone cu el'a fayece. Forza na su famianan y paz na su restonan.

Papiamentu translation:

maiky farro owing to fayece (died) today

saturday, 27 june 2009 - 16:28 one rato happen owing to enter informacion cu the conocido maiky farro owing to fayece at dr. horacio oduber hospital. maiky farro owing to become conoci after of owing to stay deteni acusa of owing to malversa casi 10 miyon guilder at lands laboratorium. corte owing to condene some month happen but recientemente el'a become bad y have to owing to wordo interna in hospital. as cu we owing to publica yesterday end, the was in medium care y debi at his situation delicado owing to pase for cuido intensivo y was struggle for his life. today sinembargo el'a arise more bad y complicacionnan owing to place cu el'a fayece. forza at his famianan y paz at his restonan.

This is a news clip from 4/3/09 when he was sentenced.


 
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"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1217 on: June 27, 2009, 09:04:00 PM »

WHO was able to convInce SS to backtrack?  I contend that it is very important in researching the Persistence story that this person is identified.

SS was able to articulate so well her reasoning why she was a believer that Natalee Holloway was in that trap and ... Tamikosmom concurred.

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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #697 on: December 06, 2008, 03:26:15 PM »


I have pretty much been a believer that Natalee was buried on land, but after Kyle's calculations, I don't think so anymore.  Kyle is a trained oceanographer and he has been taught how to make those calculations of objects on the ocean floor.  Kyle's calculations are actually the first piece of scientific data that we have after three and a half years .....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg569178#msg569178


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Re: Natalee Case Discussion #795 1/23/09 -
« Reply #508 on: January 26, 2009, 11:00:46 PM »


I don't believe Natalee was in the cage.  I have believed for a long time that Natalee was put in a cemetery .....

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4434.msg646440#msg646440



A REMINDER

The fabric - The Tarp - The vertebrae - The Skull

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS


Kyle Kingman:  Dateline (Tim Uelinger) had an agreement with Tim Miller to 'do a story to tell about and help promote TES and give TM recognition, and perhaps a 10 minute side-line story on Natalee along with 11 other missing persons. Dateline tagged along with TM for a while pre-NH search. They (TM and Dateline) came on the Persistence between 15-Dec and 30-Dec. I found the trap on 1:45am Christmas morning.  I got the OK to begin our ROV dive series for the 29th, so I made it our first dive. We got visual of the fish trap and that it was suspicious. Basically, the fish trap door was open and there appeared to be a skull and torso-shape in sand on the door inside the trap Reviewing the 29-Dec video I noticed the torso shape in sand had a 90 degree angle and that the sand was supported from falling through the bottom of the trap, which was slightly excavated by currents. I proportioned out the distance from the top of the head, to shoulder, to that 90 degree angle and it was a match to Natalee's photo of her standing -head, to shoulder, to the end of her denim skirt. I showed TM the proportional match and the possibility of a skirt under the sand and he said he's going to tell the parents. I said definitely not until we sample the trap and get results. He made the call to Dave and Beth independently.

Kyle Kingman:  I took the proportions of the body form from the head, to shoulder, to a 90 degree angle which I believed to be the hem line of Natalee's skirt. I then took those proportions and matched them to the photo of Natalee with what she was last seen wearing. The proportions matched within an inch from head, to shoulder, to skirt line. Based on this comparison and with what we believed we saw in the Dec 29th video, Tim Miller contacted the family and told them the 99.9% comment. I told Tim not to do anything until we have forensic results back after the site is processed.  Jan 7th we sampled the contents and in my opinion we found the skirt under the sand along with the other items The blue fabric was found right where the skirt is pictured. If it isn't her, it will forever haunt me as a major cosmic WTF.

Kyle Kingman: We all know it wasn't a blouse, but I believe they were sent some piece of fabric other than the fabric found inside the trap.

Kyle Kingman: The portion of the discolored blue fabric was presumably on the bottom of the fabric. In my opinion this discoloration is not another type of fabric, but rather biological staining or discoloration from biological growth caused from a high organic carbon content and decay. Basically, during decay a biological mat will form around the organics from remains. This is what I believe it is on the bottom of the fabric.

Kyle Kingman: It was confirmed by the FBI that they received a fabric sample send by Richardson and that it wasn't a match to Natalee's blouse. I think the video can prove or disprove whatever the FBI was sent was the same object or not. I strongly believe it's blue denim.

Kyle Kingman: Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand. I believe her left arm was outstretched with her legs slightly bent. I did not edit the legs. I believe the tarp was placed over her and tucked around her, or perhaps tied down. I believe there are several rocks laying on the sand which were placed on the tarp, or inside the tarp over her body which explains their unusual location. Either way, the proportions appear promising.

Kyle Kingman: The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand. He then bagged the blue fabric. If the other bag contains fabric, it was also in the sand. There was also something possibly recovered from far inside the trap. In the video the diver is inside the trap with just below his knees showing. I don't know what was sampled far inside the trap if anything.

Kyle Kingman: In my opinion that last pic from Jan 7th should be absolutely intriguing and flip your mind from what you thought you knew. In case it isn't clear.. notice the blue denim-like fabric.

Kyle Kingman: Notice the blue fabric swayed in the current.

Kyle Kingman: The blue tarp piece was found approx 6-10 ft away from the trap opening.

Kyle Kingman:   I am 100% confident other important items are at that site and can be found during processing of the site with a suction system.  The only confirmation of items sampled were blue fabric and the piece of tarp.  This is the only thing Richardson and Mos independantly confirmed.  Remember, they each only confirmed one piece.  One confirmed blue fabric, the other confirmed tarp.  From the video you see both.

Kyle Kingman: The most likely to remain at or near it's original location was the skull, which is why I was so convinced the object pictured was a skull.

Kyle Kingman:  John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand.

Kyle Kingman: I'm sorry if this is disturbing. I took the picture of Natalee standing on the beach and cropped, rotated, and scaled the image to correlate with the trap body form. Notice the end of the skirt is an identical match to the 90 degree angle in the sand.

Kyle Kingman: The bag that is above the denim bag looks to me as though it contains pieces of vertebrae.

Kyle Kingman:  As of the 2nd week of Feb, this is what I had learned from the FBI: The contents of the trap were being actively investigated. The forensic results of a fabric sample showed the fabric sample was not a match to Natalee's blouse and that no DNA match to Natalee was found within that fabric sample. Human remains were found, but the FBI was not and would not comment on the case. The FBI did not comment on the remains, but rather the fabric sample.

Kyle Kingman: In my opinion, the blue fabric is quite possibly Natalee's skirt. The divers found the denim where I suggested a week earlier (Dec 29th) to Tim Miller that there was likely Natalee's denim skirt under the sand. Also in my opinion, the deni-like fabric is a match in terms of color, quantity, and structure to Natalee's skirt. It's not a lot of denim folded in the bag, but then again her skirt was rather small.


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I stand with the girl, Natalee Holloway.

"I can look back over the past 10 years and there were no steps wasted, and there are no regrets,'' she said. "I did all I knew to do and I think that gives me greater peace now." "I've lived every parent's worst nightmare and I'm the parent that nobody wants to be," she said.

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« Reply #1218 on: June 27, 2009, 09:10:08 PM »

In December, 2007 ... SS was distancing herself from John Silvetti and CAPS.  She was a believer in Kyle Kingman's own words.  What/Who cased her backtrack and ... once again embrace those whose loyalty to the cause of justice for Natalee Holloway now took a backseat.

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Tim became a liability because her had the film footage from the 29th and the 30th.  He knew what was in the cage.  Just from the original Photographs on the 29th, we can clearly see a skull and a shoe.  I think Tim probably became a source of contention and was distracted away from the ship so the contents could be turned over to ALE.  Tim has to have figured out what happened.  I wonder if it's difficult for him to look at Beth and Dave in their eyes.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg569184#msg569184


KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:  On Dec 30th the Arubans told us there wasn't anything of interest in the trap based on the visual-only inspection (Dateline and Tim Miller present). After the Dec 30th dive John didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability. I don't know what that exactly means, but Tim wasn't hurting anything except releasing the statements to the press and Holloways that we found Natalee. Although likely true, it was premature and should have been replaced with action- seeing that the evidence was collected and handled properly.

I know Tim believed me and was convinced 100% which is why he went and told Dave that we found Natalee on Dec 29th. John stood back and waited and worked with the Aruban Polis to arrange the next dive -Dec 30th's which was the visual-only dive.

On the night of the 30th (I believe this was Tim's last night on the Persistence) I approached Tim and proposed some ideas to him. I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about it. I hadn't slept in 48 hours

I crashed for a few hours rest and by the time I got up Dateline and Tim Miller had left the boat. That is when John assumed full control over the remainder of the project and had us searching in the deepest portions of our search area which coincided with Richardson's remarks.

Richardson told us after the Jan-7th dive to keep searching in deep water.

John told me then he didn't want to hear me ever mention the trap again. Of course this didn't set well with me.

Kyle Kingman:  It's unanimous that Tim M. should never have told Dave and Beth anything about the trap until it's contents were forensically examined.  After the diver visual inspection of the trap he was obligated to report what the Aruban divers reported because although limited, it's the only information he had and the family rightfully wanted answers. It was a royal mess.

Kyle Kingman:   Tim Miller was never on the Persistence while I was not on board.  He stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan to follow up on the false lead in Costa Rica IIRC.
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« Reply #1219 on: June 27, 2009, 09:34:05 PM »

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I hope you had a good day.

I feel great ... my house is perfectly clean.

 

I was motivated to vacuum and dust from top to bottom as hubby's sister and BIL where driving out from Vancouver mid afternoon for a visit, dinner and a movie.

Well ... BIL was called into work ... double time ... did not want to miss out.

Hubby and I decided to go to the movie anyways and .. invited friends to join us.  We will be leaving shortly.

Good Night Monkeys.

Janet
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Page 219: I have to make difficult choices every day.  I have to make a conscious decision every morning when I wake up not to be bitter, not to live in resentment and let anger control me.  It's not easy.  I ask God to help me.
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