Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 - 7/13/09

[Keepthefaith]

JUSTICE WILL COME

JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED

NATALEE HOLLOWAY WILL LIVE ON

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KTF

 

[texasmom]

I did a little quiz for Klaas in musings (they joked that I was O/T) - Klaas had practically a perfect score, of course.  I'll leave the questions here for you to try, or the morning monkeys might give it a go (don't peak at answers in musings).

Question #1.    
Describe three separate picture or incidents - one each where Paulus, Anita and Joran were less than acceptably clothed.

Anita brown see through blouse, Paulus with his fly open Khaki shorts, Joran naked on the beach.

Question #2.    
Who is "Rubberlegs"?.  Drawing a blank on that one! Cohen?    

Question #3.   
Who said (paraphrased) "You don't understand our system"?.  Guido's cousin...I'll come back to this..Got it Arlene Schipper

Question #4.    
The Barf Doll originated with _______________ I don't think it's Lala's, but I can't decide WHO it was!  I can see the avi I think!    

Question #5.    
What is "Sweaty Running Man" in reference to?  Paulus running from reporters.

Question #6.    
Who said (paraphrased) "Maybe she got what was coming"? Deepak and or MIP6 

Question #7.   
A merry-go-round picture picture goes with the Phrase "Where in the world is ____________"  All I can think of is Carmen Sandiago!    

Question #8.    
WIkipedia might refer to this as a snake, a witch, a screen name with multiple posters, or an Aruban Newspaper.  What is it? Bondia  

Question #9.    
Name three girlfriends of Jorans. Jill, Flo, Melody
Question #10   
Last question...  name three lies that Joran told.  (This has got to be easy - there are hundreds to choose from) He was 19.  He was on holiday from Holland.  He dropped Natalee off at the Holiday Inn.

[texasmom]

I did a little quiz for Klaas in musings (they joked that I was O/T) - Klaas had practically a perfect score, of course.  I'll leave the questions here for you to try, or the morning monkeys might give it a go (don't peak at answers in musings).

Question #1.    
Describe three separate picture or incidents - one each where Paulus, Anita and Joran were less than acceptably clothed.

Anita brown see through blouse, Paulus with his fly open Khaki shorts, Joran naked on the beach.

Question #2.    
Who is "Rubberlegs"?.  Drawing a blank on that one! Cohen?    

Question #3.   
Who said (paraphrased) "You don't understand our system"?.  Guido's cousin...I'll come back to this..Got it Arlene Schipper

Question #4.    
The Barf Doll originated with _______________ I don't think it's Lala's, but I can't decide WHO it was!  I can see the avi I think!    

Question #5.    
What is "Sweaty Running Man" in reference to?  Paulus running from reporters.

Question #6.    
Who said (paraphrased) "Maybe she got what was coming"? Deepak and or MIP6 

Question #7.   
A merry-go-round picture picture goes with the Phrase "Where in the world is ____________"  All I can think of is Carmen Sandiago!    

Question #8.    
WIkipedia might refer to this as a snake, a witch, a screen name with multiple posters, or an Aruban Newspaper.  What is it? Bondia  

Question #9.    
Name three girlfriends of Jorans. Jill, Flo, Melody
Question #10   
Last question...  name three lies that Joran told.  (This has got to be easy - there are hundreds to choose from) He was 19.  He was on holiday from Holland.  He dropped Natalee off at the Holiday Inn.

DUH....#7  JORAN!  

[texasmom]

I do believe there is always progress.It may not always be observable but,progress is being made!As we continue to weed out those distractions from the peanut gallery,we as monkey's,become more focused!

 

[texasmom]

JUSTICE WILL COME

JUSTICE WILL BE SERVED

NATALEE HOLLOWAY WILL LIVE ON

GOODNIGHT & GOD BLESS

KTF

 

Good night KTF!   

[texasmom]

Sleuth, I flunked!  I never did like tests, and Pop Quizzes are the worst!   

It took me FOREVER to remember Arlene Schipper's name...OMG!

 

 

[texasmom]

Truth & Justice for Natalee!

[finngirl]

Question #2
Who is "Rubberlegs"?

> Ruben Trappenberg/transferred to airport duty
> "Rubberlegs" came from a poster called Hat

Question #4
The Barf Doll originated with _______________

> ScandiNoor of Did I Do Something Wrong, Zoogeeper? fame

Question #6
Who said (paraphrased) "Maybe she got what was coming"?

> TitodidshenotaskforitLacle:
"did she not ask for it? getting in a car with those boys?"

always wondered what ol' Tito knew
about those boys

Question #7 = no freakin' idea whatsoever
(which proves I didn't peek at the answers)

[GabbyG]

GabbyG,
I actually had a valium picture too, but didn't add it so I wouldn't have to add all the warnings about not taking it with the whiskey!

 

But since you mentioned it....here ya go!   



I think we might actually be in for some rain, hope there's not a lot of lightning with it!   
Maybe it'll cool things off some! 

Have a great day GabbyG!   

Yayyyy...Just in Time too!! I think I am losing it  LOL
I can NOT believe some of the things I have read/am reading in the older threads! And a lot of it from folks who have been here with the rest of us, since the beginning! WARNING Monkeys!! If handed a cup of colorful liquid, do NOT drink it!
    Thanks texasmom, I will add the valium to the rest of my survival supplies!!
Well, off I go again, back into the war zone. 

[texasmom]

Question #2
Who is "Rubberlegs"?

> Ruben Trappenberg/transferred to airport duty
> "Rubberlegs" came from a poster called Hat

Question #4
The Barf Doll originated with _______________

> ScandiNoor of Did I Do Something Wrong, Zoogeeper? fame

Question #6
Who said (paraphrased) "Maybe she got what was coming"?

> TitodidshenotaskforitLacle:
"did she not ask for it? getting in a car with those boys?"

always wondered what ol' Tito knew
about those boys

Question #7 = no freakin' idea whatsoever
(which proves I didn't peek at the answers)

Hi finngirl!  I was just thinking about you yesterday!
I have a question and hope maybe you know the answer.
All the clues from Finbar a while back.
Do you think Merryweather would have been in the mix of correct answers?

The thought crossed my mind while doing some research.
All that geneology stuff makes me dizzy!

 

[texasmom]

GabbyG,
I actually had a valium picture too, but didn't add it so I wouldn't have to add all the warnings about not taking it with the whiskey!

 

But since you mentioned it....here ya go!   



I think we might actually be in for some rain, hope there's not a lot of lightning with it!   
Maybe it'll cool things off some! 

Have a great day GabbyG!   

Yayyyy...Just in Time too!! I think I am losing it  LOL
I can NOT believe some of the things I have read/am reading in the older threads! And a lot of it from folks who have been here with the rest of us, since the beginning! WARNING Monkeys!! If handed a cup of colorful liquid, do NOT drink it!
    Thanks texasmom, I will add the valium to the rest of my survival supplies!!
Well, off I go again, back into the war zone. 

 
I know where you're coming from GabbyG.  Let me just say for myself that I've lived and learned a lot here!  I think I probably had my first experiences with high blood pressure in the midst of what you're reading!  I don't think I'll ever go back there!

But I DO admire you for doing it!   

Whatever it takes.....until we find Justice for Natalee! 

[texasmom]

Truth & Justice for Natalee!

[2NJSons_Mom]

Good morning, everyone.

TM, I was not aware of OT last night....I was in Musings reading Sleuth's quiz for Klaas.  I lasted until #9 and then went back to sleep.     

[texasmom]

Good morning, everyone.

TM, I was not aware of OT last night....I was in Musings reading Sleuth's quiz for Klaas.  I lasted until #9 and then went back to sleep.     

whew!  But it was that mod intuition that woke you up!   

 

[Tamikosmom]

Good morning, everyone.

TM, I was not aware of OT last night....I was in Musings reading Sleuth's quiz for Klaas.  I lasted until #9 and then went back to sleep.     

whew!  But it was that mod intuition that woke you up!   

 

Something akin to a Mom waking up from a sound sleep and ... correctly anticipating that her baby is about to cry.

 

Janet

[Tamikosmom]

I think SS just came to her senses, unlike some others
It`s also possible that she is more informed

bastibro

Again I ask.

What does one have to do or ... who does one have to be or know ... to be afforded the honor of being one of the "informed"?

Janet

bastibro

Yoo Hoo!

Who deemed SS worthy to be among the "informed" ... causing her to backtrack and ... once again climb upon the John Silvetti and CAPS bandwagon?

Janet

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SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #781 12/3/08 -
« Reply #156 on: December 04, 2008, 02:08:35 AM »

1.  Silvetti's businesses were in trouble.  He wanted to start new businesses with oil and an oil pipeline from Aruba to Chavez in Colombia.  He needed money.

2.  He illegally sold off his shares of stock and that is why the SEC is after him.

3.  Before he started his new oil business, he needed to have a geological scan of the ocean floor.  Doing those scans costs lots of money.

4.  He agreed to volunteer his ship, crew, and equipment to search for a missing American woman in the same area.  He scans the ocean floor looking for Natalee, but really he's doing oil work.

5.  Most of his expenses for the Persistence search were written off on his corporate tax returns because it was charity work and a donation that he was doing.  By looking for Natalee, he was able to map the ocean for free.

6.  Natalee was found in the end of December.  Oh no, what can he do?  He can't keep mapping the ocean floor for free because he just found the missing American woman.  So, the trap contents were turned over to ALE, nothing was ever in that trap. and he continued to search for Natalee and map for oil for another 6 to 8 weeks -at very little expense to himself.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4186.msg565794;topicseen#msg565794


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KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:   Aruban divers deemed the cage to be not case related, and therefore Aruba had no interest in it

Kyle Kingman:  On the night of the 30th (I believe this was Tim's last night on the Persistence) I approached Tim and proposed some ideas to him. I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about it. I hadn't slept in 48 hours

I crashed for a few hours rest and by the time I got up Dateline and Tim Miller had left the boat. That is when John assumed full control over the remainder of the project and had us searching in the deepest portions of our search area ...

[Tamikosmom]

GIVE HER BACK!

SS - how bout I expose you?

Kermit

What is the holdup?

 

Janet

BUMPED

[Tamikosmom]

I think SS just came to her senses, unlike some others
It`s also possible that she is more informed

bastibro

Again I ask.

What does one have to do or ... who does one have to be or ... who does one have to know ... to be afforded the honor of being one of the "informed"?

Janet

bastibo

Hi!  It is me again ... Tamikosmom.

Are you privy to what or who was the reason that MumInOhio's return to the CAPS flock following straying away and thinking for herself?  In other words ... how did Mum become one of the "informed".

Mum ... a CAPS adherence ... began questioning his flawed research ... discrepancies ... his overall distraction and ... then "poof" she backtracked.

Janet

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MUMINOHIO - MAY, 2008

MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1412 on: May 06, 2008, 01:59:31 PM »

SS...I have read that as well...I have also read where he said it was other apartments, Dutch owned and not the Matty apartments. I am not going to go back to the first thread and find Cap's posts as I questioned him more than a couple of times as to why he changed his mind and he never answered!

He also didn't respond as to why he told me no to the Ind/Lion's Den in the first thread.

All that being said...he hasn't backed up his posts...just because Caps said it, doesn't make it so!

 I am sorry I don't mean to upset you, but you can post Caps posts forever and I will just keep telling you what he said previously.

I still want to know why he changed from the other apartments to the Matty and he will not answer!!!!!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379364#msg379364


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1424 on: May 06, 2008, 02:41:59 PM »

SS…let me ask you one question…

If I post the Freddy Zedan owns the Indo/Lion’s Den are you going to just take my word for it?

 Caps posts that the Kalpoes - the father or the stepfather, he never did answer which one, according to a girl there, now own it!

You can certainly take what Caps says without questions, but I will not. So please do not repost Caps post to me....Show me the proof!

 I have read everyone of Cap’s post at least three times…each day I type out an index…you would be very surprised what you see on the third read.

All I am trying to say is what you are posting from Caps is not what he said in January!

I am 99% sure as to why he switched to the Indo apartments…the answer is in one of your last few posts…and I will leave it at that!

And yes Lala’s…I am extremely frustrated…seems we have involved just about everyone on Aruba…new names are dropped every week.…I never see Joran’s name in this thread anymore!!!!!

And everytime Caps appears we have more questions!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

COLUMBO has a word for that!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379383#msg379383


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1440 on: May 06, 2008, 06:42:17 PM »

Guess we will have to agree to disagree. I don't have to give him the benefit of the doubt just because he's Caps

All I see is a whole lot of new names and misinformation and very few facts...Giovanni, Deutekom, Bulo, Freddy that doesn't exist, odd-bods living at the kalpoes address, list of names that don't match the phone book...
 
Yes, something is going on at that pond, and we are still dealing with Aruba. I'm in total agreement with Lala's on this one, nothing will come of the pond.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379502#msg379502


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1450 on: May 06, 2008, 07:32:02 PM »

SS...A simple question as to if Deutekom was a Judge should have been answered 150 pages ago....so should the reason for him going back to the Indo/Lion's Den after he told me no to there. these are simple questions and both merit an answer!

I can't buy Cap's Dirty Hand Deutekom, because how he got to him was flawed. If he is not a Judge he wouldn't have been on that list. It is as simple as that!

There are more questions now than when Caps first started posting!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379518#msg379518


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1456 on: May 06, 2008, 11:11:21 PM »

Well I guess we are all frustrated today!

I attempted to explain to Caps at least 3 times the Judges list, and as one who tries to answer other poster’s questions, and acknowledge their posts I expected an answer on at least one of those occasions! If you have read my posts you would know that I have acknowledged that Deutekom may be a ‘Dirty Hand’ , just questioning the way he got there.

You can check my posts for this morning and see that I try to ‘share’ what I know! Have a look and see if my answer to another poster was even acknowledged!

I guess in your opinion it is OK for Caps to fire of all these questions at us, but he is not obligated to answer ours. Most of my questions to him have been about posts he has made and names like Bulo’s that we have never heard of. I have asked very few about things I am researching.

I have not asked any more from Caps than I would have asked from any other poster…back up your posts! BS on putting him in any sort of position! Not to the questions I have asked anyways.

Yes there are other theories on this thread, and I for one am sick and tired of having only one jammed down my throat.

I have read Caps posts many times and it is up to me if I go along with everything or anything he says.  Maybe it might help some if you let Caps know that it is creating problems by him dropping names with no other info….it would help a lot and certainly save some of us a lot of time….

JMHO

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379582#msg379582


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1459 on: May 06, 2008, 11:33:41 PM »

... as you said this is a discussion forum and I have reason to question things in Caps posts! Most times when I have done so I do not receive an answer or if I do it is the post of Caps I am referring to posted back to me. Sorry … to me that is not discussion.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379591#msg379591


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1467 on: May 07, 2008, 08:06:50 AM »

SS...Caps started posting in the NAH thread around mid-January. Klaas explained at the time that he had been posting on the front page previously. After 4 or 5 days Caps started posting in the Shango thread. This would have been way back in the first thread.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379694#msg379694


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1468 on: May 07, 2008, 09:28:28 AM »

SS… You are right. I think Caps has information that has nothing to do with Shango as well. Caps does know the corruption and the ‘dark’ side of Aruba. He knows some of the players, probably a lot.

When Caps first started posting in the forum he knew very little about the case, or so it appears from his early posts. He asked us about the family, the friends, the private plane and the pimps. He asked about the suspects and about the people such as Julia and others that continually misinformed us. He needed our help and knowledge with these pieces of the puzzle. There is nothing wrong with that, I personally have spent a lot of time and posts sharing any information I had or could find.

A lot of time it seems to me that Caps has a piece that he feels fits into a Shango/Simian/Merian post, and just makes it fit. He has the player, the corrupt official, so that is the answer to that part of the riddle.

An example of this would be ‘the yellowhammer’. We started with a yellow hummer way back in the first thread, and most disagreed back then. When it was revisited recently and many posted that they thought it was the bird, Caps said OK, we’ll go with the bird, we’ll refine and correct any errors in his interpretations. The next day, Caps posts that he doesn’t think it is the bird. Our interpretation of ‘the yellowhammer’ doesn’t fit into Cap’s deciphering of the riddle.

I find this very frustrating. To me it is not that difficult.

Thanks everyone for the input on Bulo yesterday. Pita sorry for the confusion I may have caused on the Benz site. Somehow I confused myself…Vms…sounds like a good idea…maybe clear up some loose ends like Giovanni and Bulo…

 I think I need to go and sit in the grandstand with Lala’s and the other grannies for a day or two and go back to my own research.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379700#msg379700


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1493 on: May 08, 2008, 09:33:46 AM »

This is a previous discussion about Ben VocKing. Below are 2 of Caps older posts regarding VocKing. So in February and March Caps knew who VocKing was, but not on April 25th.

Somewhere back around page 40 Caps posted a key in which he includes a pic of VocKing. You will notice that Caps refers to a picture of Voking in his response above.

Around pages 45 and 46 there is much discussion about the photo of VocKing and which is the correct one. The photo of VocKing that Caps included in his key and showed to the man who knew him very well is not of the person we determined to be VocKing.

This is why I ask questions…

<snipped>

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379920#msg379920


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1494 on: May 08, 2008, 09:41:12 AM »

These posts of Caps have been etched in mind since March. Another reason I ask questions.

<snipped>

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379922#msg379922


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1495 on: May 08, 2008, 10:12:11 AM »

Here is Cap's picture of Vocking.

Hotping...Thanks for the prayer. After the posts from last night, for the sake of harmony I have decided to refrain from posting in this thread any more.

Enjoy the Tango!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379926#msg379926


MumInOhio
Re: SHANGO/SIMIAN - who are they and what did they know? #3
« Reply #1500 on: May 08, 2008, 11:55:52 AM »

Vms…I have suspected from very early on from Cap’s posts who Caps really is. I did not come to this conclusion from any mailing list from ‘our friend in Aruba’. Posts over the last 24 hours have confirmed my suspicions. Not everyone is whom they appear to be…I need to walk away!

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2787.msg379938#msg379938


MumInOhio
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #750 5/2 -
« Reply #936 on: May 08, 2008, 08:30:49 PM »

SS…since you bought this over from the Shango thread….there is no group attack on Caps. I have asked him to answer questions about his posts. He has not done so, on most occasions IMO. I said this morning that I would walk away. I have.

Many of my questions regarding Caps surround Ben Vocking. I posted on that this morning. Please go back and read from page 39 to page 46 of the thread. Open the links. Read Caps response very carefully and then read what I posted this morning.

I am not going to respond any further on the subject.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2819.msg380072#msg380072


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DIALOGUE - MUMINOHIO AND TAMIKOSMOM

MumInOhio
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
« Reply #450 on: January 02, 2009, 10:35:03 PM »

Mum ... in May, 2008 you had come to a conclusion and ... were not going to uphold CAPS.  You backed up ;your reasoning perfectly and ... I agreed.  Your reasoning was what I had claimed from the getgo ... two months prior.  However ... you eventually  backtracked.

Mum ... it is so important to me.  I want to know why?

Sincerely, Janet

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.msg609481#msg609481


MumInOhio
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #789 1/1/09 -
« Reply #454 on: January 02, 2009, 11:06:23 PM »

Janet...You are like a pitbull...LOL

Nobody knows my position on this at this time...I am not ready to elaborate any more...I am Sorry.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4340.msg609545;topicseen#msg609545

 

[texasmom]

 

Rosalinda Danje (38 years old) that was reported missing on June 29th, found dead this morning on the beach.


Something looks hinky to me, I just don't see how she got where she is laying all by herself.
JMO

http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=1167



Papiamentu translation:


fecha: 29/06/2009 | horario: 22:06 is ask cooperacion for localiza the lady here, for cualkier informacion calling 105 or 5613600 autoridadnan conhuntamente cu r ode kruis y search and rescue is buscando the lady here, his name is rosalinda danje of 38 anja, the is 1meter 40 of estatura, cabey black till at schouder y is dress spectacles, the is one paciente cu have to take medicamentonan. the la leave bay oculista in stadionweg y of eynan ela desaparece, the was dress cu one jeans largo t-shirt lichtbruin y is march cu one bag of cabana. if come across cune or know of his paradero calling 105 or 5613600. come across



http://www.awe24.com/?main&id=1175&offId=0&offDate=2009-06



Papiamentu translation:

fecha: 30/06/2009 | horario: 06:32

tuesday morning early owing to succeed achieve curpa without life of the lady perdi of monday nightfall the pagina here is contene material grafico y strong y do not apto for younger of edad or esnan sensibeldiamars morning early one ciudadano owing to happen near of platform diminutive y owing to descubri the curpa without life of the lady perdi of monday, as we owing to publica in one informe more early http://www.awe24.com/?m=1167 is deal here of rosalinda danje of 38 anja, we will follow informa...... come across

[Tamikosmom]

1.  THE COVERUP - SUSPICIONS

Dave Holloway knew from the getgo that there was an Aruban coverup that was preventing justice from prevailing for his beautiful daughter.  Dave was not naive.  Dave was not unaware.

Janet
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Corruption in Paradise - Dave Holloway

Page 10:  Jacobs also told us that the day before we arrived, he had interviewed the boys who eventually became the three main suspects in Natalee's disappearance ...... Jacobs considered the boys' statements to be consistent in that they had all said that they dropped Natalee off at the hotel. However, I did not realize at the time that Beth had already told him that the tapes did not show Natalee returning to the Holiday Inn that night.

Page 182:  I asked Dompig to do the interview of Koen instead of having Jacobs do it. I became concerned because he said he would have to discuss it with Jacobs first. Several weeks later, I heard that Koens father had been interviewed, but Koen had not been questioned yet. I wondered if they were prepping the father to prep his son for questioning. That was something that seemed all to familiar.

Page 183:  I commented to Jacobs about how short my statement was. He said that I could add anything I wanted to it. Also, I noticed that Eric Soemers's name was on it, but that detective was not even present during the interview. Now I wondered if Jacobs was making up everyone's statement and getting Eric to sign on to them. If that were the case, he could state anything he wanted, and it would look like an official statement made in front of a witness.


On the Record w/ Greta - April 11, 2006

DAVE HOLLOWAY, NATALEE HOLLOWAY'S FATHER: Oh, the media was our best friend. If it hadn't been for the media this thing would have been swept under the table the very first day and we'd have been calling back to Aruba "Have you heard anything? Have you heard anything?" I truly believe that.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,191377,00.html

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