Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 - 7/13/09

[crazybabyborg]

[MuffyBee]

[Keepthefaith]

Lifetime movie channel is promoting the Natalee Holloway story again for next saturday 9pm...Not positive if it's eastern,pacific,and or western..FYI...

[MuffyBee]

Thank you KTF

[Keepthefaith]

Thank you KTF

Thanx Muffy.Girlfriend is making me watch the Hot & Steamy 4th on the Lifetime movie channel & the promo came on.. !Wishin Muffy & all the Monkey's a safe & Happy 4th...As the promo says............................

SOMEONE KNOWS THE TRUTH

[Red]

Here is an FYI regarding the Amigoe story from last week regarding another girl that had gone missing in Aruba. I got the low down from Jossy, it appears the story is as follows:

The girl in question did not go missing; it was just a misunderstanding between her and her brother. She went voluntarily to the police to report that she is not missing and gave the reasons why she severed contacts with her brother. It was her brother who put her on the missing list in Holland.

[texasmom]

Here is an FYI regarding the Amigoe story from last week regarding another girl that had gone missing in Aruba. I got the low down from Jossy, it appears the story is as follows:

The girl in question did not go missing; it was just a misunderstanding between her and her brother. She went voluntarily to the police to report that she is not missing and gave the reasons why she severed contacts with her brother. It was her brother who put her on the missing list in Holland.

Thanks Red!   

[wreck]

A question from out of the blue.......... did anything ever transpire with that "Jaap" guy and his TV show outing of Joran???


Happy 4th everyone!!!

[texasmom]

A question from out of the blue.......... did anything ever transpire with that "Jaap" guy and his TV show outing of Joran???


Happy 4th everyone!!!

Nothing yet that I know of wreck.  I've read speculation that maybe a show in September or November.

[texasmom]

wreck's trainwreck is back!   

 

[MuffyBee]

wreck's trainwreck is back!   

 

 

[wreck]

wreck's trainwreck is back!   

 

 

 

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59084.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Stein new Advocate General Aruba

4 Jul, 2009, 15:34 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY / DEN HAAG - Taco Stein, the new Advocate General of Aruba. The State Cabinet Friday agreed with his proposal. The appointment is at 1 September, 2009. Stein is now Acting Chief Public Prosecutor of the Netherlands Antilles. He is the chief item on St. Maarten. Previously he worked for the Public Ministry in the Netherlands. In the National Public Prosecutor, he was charged with cybercrime. This includes child pornography and fraud under.

[hotping]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59084.php

Google translation:

Aruba

Stein new Advocate General Aruba

4 Jul, 2009, 15:34 (GMT -04:00)

ORANGE CITY / DEN HAAG - Taco Stein, the new Advocate General of Aruba. The State Cabinet Friday agreed with his proposal. The appointment is at 1 September, 2009. Stein is now Acting Chief Public Prosecutor of the Netherlands Antilles. He is the chief item on St. Maarten. Previously he worked for the Public Ministry in the Netherlands. In the National Public Prosecutor, he was charged with cybercrime. This includes child pornography and fraud under.

 

[Tamikosmom]

A REMINDER

THE BOYCOTT


1.  PRIOR TO THE MARK PURCELL CONNECTION

DAVE HOLLOWAY – NOVEMBER, 2005

Corruption in Paradise – Dave Holloway

I knew things had changed while I was in Aruba during that trip, but I did not think it would become so obvious to the general public.  I had not supported the idea of a boycott because I did not want to hurt the people of Aruba.  The governor of Alabama, Bob Riley, wanted me to go along with him on it, but I told him I would not and I had him call Prime Minister Oduber to tell him that.  I still felt that a lot of people who had nothing to do with the case would suffer from a boycott.  I did not want to hurt the poor people, but I began to feel that Aruba needed to step up to the plate and take some immediate action in order to prevent one.  If the Aruban government continued to make such blatant statements about putting Natalee’s case on the back burner, I could not be responsible for what others in the United States would do …

As I was getting on the plane to leave, I felt as though I had shown a rock at a hornet’s nest.  The main purpose of my trip was to make everyone aware of what I felt was really going on with the investigation and to force changes to be made.  I knew there would be a shake-up down there very soon.  I had become more outspoken.  I had originally focused more on searching than doing interviews with the press.  But I had also felt that the Aruban investigators were working with us to find Natalee.  All that has changed.  I am now doing my best to see that the truth comes out and to make sure that a qualified team is put together in Aruba to continue with the investigation …


'On the Record w/ Greta' - November 17, 2005

DAVE HOLLOWAY:  I made sure that the prime minister understood our position. You know, I had been holding off on this boycott as long as I could, and I told him, I said, you know, The big wave is coming, and if you guys are not going to listen, I can't help you anymore.

http://www.foxnews.com/story/0,2933,175925,00.html


Aruba Truth - November 9, 2005

Dave Holloway:

I do not have a formal response available at this time, but I will support the decisions of elected officials and therefore support what the Alabama government has decided to do,” Holloway said in a telephone interview Tuesday evening. “The Aruban people elected their officials to make decisions in the best interests of their people, and we have done the same. The Alabama governor made a decision on Natalee’s behalf, so I will support that position.


2.  FOLLOWING THE MARK PURCELL CONNECTION

ROBIN HOLLOWAY - June 19, 2007

FOLLOWING THE MARK PURCELL CONNECTION

The Boycott
« Today at 02:13:11 PM »

We want to thank every single person who have tried so hard for us to get the answers for Natalee. She did not deserve to be taken away from us and she should be home with us living her life. Your support means so much to us. It is humbling to see how many people from all over the world have embraced Natalee.

We realize some of you will not agree, but as much as we want to know what happened to Natalee, Dave and I no longer support a boycott of Aruba. We thank everyone who did so on our behalf, but it is no longer necessary to do so for Dave or me. We realize it is an individual choice, but please try to see it from our perspective. In our opinion, the boycott has caused a lot of hurt for a lot of innocent people in Aruba who do not deserve that.

We asked a long time ago for ALE to involve Holland with the investigation. That has happened and we have been advised they are still working on Natalee's case and following up on all leads. They have done what we asked them to do. We have to find out what happened to Natalee and have to have faith that is what they are doing now with the investigation. We will never give up until we find out the truth!

Thank you again for all the support here. Please continue to keep us in your prayers and keep helping us try to find answers for Natalee.

Dave and Robin

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7123.0


MIP6 (MARK PURCELL) – JUNE 19, 2007

Re: The Boycott
« Today at 03:23:29 PM »

 Dave & Robin,

I applaud you for this bold move in speaking out against a boycott of Aruba & her people
.
The time is now for everyone on all forums to come together and see this for what it is, a chance to work together to find the truth to help bring Natalee home.

This is truly a turning point in opening new lines of communication among the internet families that have come together in really a single cause, Natalee, yet we have been divided for one reason or another.

As I have been in the past I will continue to be in the future here to assist if I can in finding answers to help bring Natalee home.

Thank you both for making this post to let the Internet community know that you do not support hurting or hatred in Natalee’s name.

http://blogsfornatalee.com/forum/index.php?topic=7123.0

[Tamikosmom]

Good Night Monkeys!  Good Night Zookeepers!

Janet
10:00 PM PT

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59078.php

Google translation:

Aruba

'Government is government, not the other way'

4 Jul, 2009, 15:26 (GMT -04:00)


 
Serge Mansur

In run-up to parliamentary elections in September, the Amigoe a series of portraits of election candidates. Central to the campaign, funding and vision. This time a portrait of: Serge Mansur (43), new boxes politician for Real Democracy Party (PDR).


ORANGE CITY - When he was President of employers ATIA, Serge Mansur has a lot to do with the government and various government agencies. From these contacts he concluded that much wrong with the way Aruba is governed and that it all much better to do. He has the role as president tried to change things but. "They do not listen to you. If you want to change you have in the field and do it yourself ".

by our staff
Yvonne Leijdekkers

The forthcoming elections, he sees his chance to act on words. The choice for Real Democracy Party (PDR) he was quickly made. The two major parties were not an option because these parties, according to Mansur responsible for the situation where Aruba is currently located. In his decision, he has inter alia be guided by the respect he has for ANDIN Bikker, founder of the party. "ANDIN Bikker has proven that he can achieve something difficult circumstances." Mansur identifies strongly with the views of Bikker. He criticizes the current position that the people there to serve the government, rather than the Government is to serve the people and wants to change the situation.

With regard to the forthcoming elections Mansur is optimistic and positive, although he admits it is difficult to predict how it will be expired. He expected that MEP and AVP the two largest parties, but that Real Democracy will be a good third. "What concerns me is with the elections coming to an end the era of the old established parties. They even try a quick facelift and many make-up appearance to change, but the 'body' remains the same. "Mansur believes that a coalition and that no one party more than ten seats will get.

The politician, the next elections as a first step that his party can prove they can show how it can. If they get this chance, he is convinced that the party continues to grow. "The country has deteriorated, especially when you look at the situation 20 years back. Education has deteriorated, there is increasing crime and there is nothing in that period to the infrastructure of the island done. "He points out that you only new asphalt here and can not make you do something about the infrastructure.

Mansur would strongly go for better education, where, according to him, much to be done. He wonders what is currently happening with the youth of Aruba. "What we have beautiful buildings and our teachers are not a good training and let our youth go?" The taxes have his attention. He is in favor of abolishing the income tax form. "Most people pay tax on their income, the employer bears the taxes. Why should people than at the end of the year an IB form? "If he is still the form, in a simplified form, do apply to people who have other income such as rental income. In addition, the new politician abolish the inheritance tax. "Why should the government even after my death to me deserve?" Mansur is also in favor of introducing a maximum limit on the mortgage interest deduction.

Superfluous
He also wants to advocate bodies like the General Court and the Central Audit. "These agencies need more resources to better performance, making them more power and they are no longer the law to prescribe." Now, according to a politician in waiting for, that if a minister does not want it controlled There also is not checked. According to Mansur is nothing to be done and let the authorities to the law require. The efficiency in public is another issue which is high on his list. He believes that some services would be much better able to function and that some services are even unnecessary. "We are dealing with an administration that is greater than that of all the surrounding islands together! Aruba 7000 officials did not need, this is a waste of money. In this context, he grants that the government has sold its shares of the hotels the Hyatt, the Radisson and Marriott. Mansur wondered where all the money remained. "Money today is what comes in, has long been spent. The money from the Plant Hotel, 200 million, is on ". This, according to Mansur unacceptable things.

Environment is another topic in his heart. He will then use for nature. He believes that swift legislative need for CO2 reduction. He is in favor of introducing standards. He wants in this context together with the Netherlands and / or the European Union (EU) are working to establish a realistic timetable to reduce emissions to an acceptable level. In addition, tax breaks he wants in order to support environmentally friendly behavior. Illegal dumping of refuse, once again, he wants to increase penalties and establish an anonymous click line, so that people can identify anonymous polluters. "There is nothing to be done." Personally, he called the police when he saw someone illegally dumping rubbish. "The police took my report, but then took no action."

Netherlands
PDR has indicated within the Kingdom of the Netherlands would continue. "The situation in Aruba is significantly better than those of many other island. This is not because we get so much smarter than the rest, but we have to a large extent due to the Netherlands. Do not be afraid or too proud to ask for help if you can not. This is not a disgrace. We learn much of the Netherlands. "He believes that the people through a referendum to decide how the future relationship between Aruba and the EU should be. Personally, he feels that it can not be that Poland or any country in the EU could decide on questions of Aruba. "That and especially economic issues, we must keep in their own hands."

  

Campaign
Serge Mansur during the campaign will focus on two groups: the professionals and businessmen and young people. He thinks young people are easily accessible because they are less loyal to a political party because the family, close friends or party heard. Mansur grand campaign will not go with great music bands and many drinks. "That is not efficient. People come just for drinks and music, but do not know where it really matters. It is a lot of bla-bla, but without the people do not know where that party stands for. "Instead, he would rather donate money to charities. For example, last week he made a donation Fundicacion Balanco Nobo. This is a new foundation that helps people with debt. The donations come from own resources. Mansur says not to use sponsors. He wants to campaign as efficiently as possible and communicate a lot through its website, but online social networks also want a lot of lectures, which he can communicate with voters and discuss.


  

Portfolio
Serge Mansur was born in 1966 as the sixth child in a family of eight children. After three years at Colegio Arubano have been, were his parents that he needed more discipline and he is in 1981 to Castle Heights Military Academy sent. This was a military school in the State of Tennessee of the United States. That is in addition to regular courses also trained in shooting, military tactics and marching. In 1983 he graduated with an academic diploma. His follow, he followed at the University of Miami, where he died in 1988, graduated in Business Management and Organization. In 1989, Mansur work in the Dominican Republic to Industria de Tabaco Leon Jimenes, in 1993 to return to Aruba where he is working with Superior Tobacco Co. NV From 1995 until the sale of the company in May 2007 he was general manager. Mansur is actively Stimaruba. He is also a member of the Kiwanis Club and is director of Aruba Trade & Industry Association ATIA, where he also three years of time.

[2NJSons_Mom]

wreck's trainwreck is back!   

 

 

 

    Kay might stop the Kalpo gravy train aspirations and the train wreck came to life.  I love it. 

Happy 4th to all. 

[texasmom]

http://www.amigoe.com/artman/publish/artikel_59078.php

The google translation said "died" so I ran that last paragraph through babelfish


Babelfish translation of last paragraph:

Port folio
Serge Mansur is born in 1966, as sixth child in a family of eight children. After three years on Colegio Arubano to have sat, its parents found that he had more discipline necessary and he in 1981, to Castle Heights Military Academy has been sent. This was a military school in the state Tennessee of the United States. There he has been also trained beside the regular professions in shoot, military tactics and march. In 1983, he has succeeded with an academic diploma. He has followed its continuation study to the University or Miami, where he has graduated in 1988, in business management and Organization. In 1989 is Mansur go to work in Dominican republic at Industria Tabaco León Jimenes, in 1993 to return to Aruba where he is will work at Superior Tobacco Co. N.V as from 1995 to sale of the society in May 2007 was he general director. Mansur are active for Stimaruba. Also he is member of the Kiwanis club and is he governing board member of Aruba Trade & Industry Association ATIA, where he has been years also three President of.

[texasmom]

Good Night Monkeys!  Good Night Zookeepers!

Janet
10:00 PM PT

Good night Janet!