Caylee Marie Anthony #133 5/26/09 - 5/29/09

[always 1]

Turbo that was a very good post. I just can't shake the feeling I have about Caylee's father. I'm not going to bring up the "I" word, but darn it something is so wrong about this. 

  NRCG  I think like you do about the "I" deal  and TURBO your scenario is scary because it's so possible in the sense that the family is so dysfunctional it might not be such a leap for a juror to be uncertain.  Right now, only thinking of all this stuff, I'm sure there are plenty of things we're not remembering that only kc could've done. Pray for fingerprints, that's all I can say.

I have honestly tried my best to think of even ONE thing except for the disposing of the body thing that ONLY KC could have done. She was NEVER seen after the night of the 15th with Caylee. The neighbor heard a large fight that night and KC left according to witnesses.  

After that the partying, the staying with Tony, the saying that Caylee was with the nanny (euphemism she used for her parents) all of it would fall into place if she "claims" that one of them did it. I can't see her blaming it on Cindy because Cindy was at work the morning of the 16th but George made his own lfate by telling about Caylee's clothes and they could say that was because murderers always remember EXACTLY how their victim was dressed. Have KC throw in her lies about her father and BINGO, the story is set up.

Can anyone think of anything I have missed that ONLY KC could have done which would be related to the death?

I dont know Turbo, I have always thought the place she put her (like Alice in Wonderland, under the tree) and the way she wrapped her womblike and put the final kiss on her mouth was all telling...

Even I could have the jury crying with the "poor young mother who was trying her best to give her baby daughter a decent burial under horrible circumstances in fear for her own life and her mother and brother's life."

Remember this picture from her face book?

I agree with you on that point!!!  I just mean the way she buried her was somthing only a mother would do.

[SunnyinTX]

 After all this talk of the abuse defense, does anyone see kc admitting that she did it and that is why OR will they try and possibly go for reasonable doubt that one of the other nutjobs in the family did it, doesn't matter who, just as long as kc is not convicted?

With the introduction of the Lyons babe, it makes one wonder if Baez wants her onboard to get a feel for the case so she will be up to snuff for the appeal ?? .... or ... if he should be disbarred [ prolly not ] ...she can take the reins ?  It is now truly a bombastic bunch of hyper - egos sitting at the Defense Table. lol

One thing seems certain to me now:  Baez believes she will be convicted. 

Yep for sure. I'd still like to know who the third person is that filed against him.  Judge Strickland and D. Casey and ????? about what????

[SunnyinTX]

Turbo that was a very good post. I just can't shake the feeling I have about Caylee's father. I'm not going to bring up the "I" word, but darn it something is so wrong about this. 

  NRCG  I think like you do about the "I" deal  and TURBO your scenario is scary because it's so possible in the sense that the family is so dysfunctional it might not be such a leap for a juror to be uncertain.  Right now, only thinking of all this stuff, I'm sure there are plenty of things we're not remembering that only kc could've done. Pray for fingerprints, that's all I can say.

I have honestly tried my best to think of even ONE thing except for the disposing of the body thing that ONLY KC could have done. She was NEVER seen after the night of the 15th with Caylee. The neighbor heard a large fight that night and KC left according to witnesses.  

After that the partying, the staying with Tony, the saying that Caylee was with the nanny (euphemism she used for her parents) all of it would fall into place if she "claims" that one of them did it. I can't see her blaming it on Cindy because Cindy was at work the morning of the 16th but George made his own lfate by telling about Caylee's clothes and they could say that was because murderers always remember EXACTLY how their victim was dressed. Have KC throw in her lies about her father and BINGO, the story is set up.

Can anyone think of anything I have missed that ONLY KC could have done which would be related to the death?

I dont know Turbo, I have always thought the place she put her (like Alice in Wonderland, under the tree) and the way she wrapped her womblike and put the final kiss on her mouth was all telling...

Even I could have the jury crying with the "poor young mother who was trying her best to give her baby daughter a decent burial under horrible circumstances in fear for her own life and her mother and brother's life."

Remember this picture from her face book?

Oh my word...that picture has always given me the creeps.

[Kat_Gram]

Cindy is a very controlling person and perhaps Andrea Lyons didn't want Cindy as her assistant ( lol ) to help with the case. Maybe Cindy didn't want Ms. Lyons.
Cindy gets angry over anything and everything.

[SunnyinTX]

Turbo you are right about the secrets for sure. She sure was angry when she walked in. I wonder if she knew about Lyons before yesterday or just met her yesterday?

When I saw KC and Lyon, it appeared to me that she had not even met the woman before.

I doubt seriously they would tell Cindy about her very much prior to court. They may have told Cindy the day before and she researched her, or Baez may have told their attorney and he told Cindy.

I think you are right......I doubt BOZO talks to cin-cin anymore than he has to, if at all.  He may give BC the courtesy of talking to him.  And I don't for one moment think the A's and kc correspond by mail. I really believe the last thing she said to her parents was the message she had BOZO read about the cremation.

I do too -  I don't think they have EVER talked again. Think about it, if they did there would have been no need for that big show for her at the memorial.

Again I am in total agreement with you. IIRC she didn't watch the memorial??? Not sure if I am remembering that correctly or not. Also does anyone remember seeing the shamrock pin on ciin-cin yesterday???

[Shell]

Hry Turbo, it came on aussie news tonight, for first time I eva saw it.  A fat chick with long mousy brown hair, and I saw bozo,for the first time on tv ever, and they are saying to australians, that casee (shoots to a sad looking casey, all edited)   
sunnyTX, is this OK with you i post this?  Anyway Its aussie morning.  Please learn some manners STX< I have been a member here, maybe not kmow a much as you as I am in aussoe.  I expect an email of i am wrong that you are a mod, othereise pissoff out of myface.

  Not good to speak to STX that way. JMHO

[trimmonthelake]

Sunny,I don't remember seeing a shamrock pin either. 

[Ono]

IN CASE YOU DON'T BELIEVE IN EVIL, ANDREA LYON, HERE IT IS!!!  LOOK CLOSELY, DEEPLY INTO THOSE EYES. YOU ARE FACE TO FACE WITH IT WHETHER YOU RECOGNIZE IT OR NOT!!! I THINK SHE GETS IT NATURALLY FROM HER PARENTS!!!

I posted that pic yesterday screencapped off of the news site, and said the same - that is the face of pure evil!   The devil's spawn.

She does have ice cube eyes with a splash of sinister in them, imo .... Remember that childhood photo of her posing under the Christmas tree ??  That same peculiar stare was present.

[SunnyinTX]

Back to Bozo. What do ya want to bet that slore has written her memoirs from her first memory right thru the imaginanny stealing and murdering Caylee. Every detail that she can manufacture ,all for her sweetums, so that post trial he can write the book that will make it possible that he won't ever need to actually attempt to portray an atty again. He can hit the talk show circuit, keep an office open with bona fide lawyers.
He's made so many bonehead statements that kc must have stuck to the nanny story and he thought he could bluff his way thru, even tho all the talking heads on tv and print kept saying he was making mistakes. I don't know if kc has the core strength to face to face say that george, cindy or lee did this. She's been lulled into thinking that baez could sprinkle a little fairy dust and fool the jury with a nebulous villian, it's going to be quite another thing for her to stick to a new scenario involving the family. She seems pretty tied to the apron strings, even though it was extremely negative, she always came back for more. For her to convincingly revamp the tale that one of them for sure did it might not be as easy as we think.
It's gonna be a pychological hot mess.   

I have no doubt there is a book in his future....no matter what the outcome of the trial.

[trimmonthelake]

Ono,that scared the mess out of me. 

[SunnyinTX]

Cindy is a very controlling person and perhaps Andrea Lyons didn't want Cindy as her assistant ( lol ) to help with the case. Maybe Cindy didn't want Ms. Lyons.
Cindy gets angry over anything and everything.

Cat fight for sure if those two ever got together!!

[mizjay]

Cindy is a very controlling person and perhaps Andrea Lyons didn't want Cindy as her assistant ( lol ) to help with the case. Maybe Cindy didn't want Ms. Lyons.
Cindy gets angry over anything and everything.

  Do you think it's against the law to send the Ant's a nice potted plant with a listening device in it?   

[Shell]

Ono,that scared the mess out of me. 

Cam someone please guide me to where a video link can be found of the photos you all just posted? I would appreciate it.

[Ono]

That is true what you say.  Either she has to admit she did it whether to save Caylee from Cindy or because she 'lost it' OR they are going to try to blame it on someone else.  Those are the only two choices I see.  AND, now seeing that in Cindy's depo she admits she had phone numbers and addresses for Zanny the Nanny and that Cindy turned them over to the police, they might stick with that story and claim that the police department lost Cindy address book, because you know the police department is going to testify they never had the address books.  (Well, because Cindy lied and there wasn't any.)  But I can really see that happening too.  Yeah, they are probably going to stick with the Zanny story, but I believe they will probably thread the abuse angle into somewhow.

I don't think they will go with the zanny story, except as the "script" she was told to give the police. Remember how she said that the nanny was going to teach her a lesson?  I believe she is going to say that George killed Caylee.

George put himself in the running by "claiming" to have seen them the morning of the 16th with that LONG description of what Caylee was wearing. All KC has to do is PROVE she left the night of the 15th "after the abuse" from her mother and never returned and if LP and the witnesses are right about the tapes of her at that hotel parking lot, it might work.

KC can claim she was partying because she "thought" her parents had the baby and had NO IDEA Caylee was dead. Something happened at the house with George when he was drunk (didn't he say he used to have a problem but quit when Caylee was born?) and he put her in the back yard until he could decide what to do. (or he could have put her in one of the freezers for a few weeks until he found KC's car to which he had a key and put Caylee in the trunk of the car under the carpet in the wheel well area.  

The state of decomposition timeline would be 2.9 days if she had just come from a freezer as it started to decay. When KC smelled the smell, she investigated and found Caylee which put her in shock. (there were calls between George and her although she would not answer her mother's calls) She panicked and threw the body where it was found.

George TOLD her what to say and how to dump the car and told her if she told anything he would kill all of them.(all the references to his horrible temper and his showing it on TV too) He told her to keep her mouth shut and he would get her out of it, not having any idea how it would hit the national press. Add that he bought a gun and had it hidden in his car and this defense might just fly. If I were the attorney that is the one I would use for reasonable doubt.

Things which make it plausible:
His history of addiction
Her talk of his abuse
His gambling
His violent temper
His being the last one to admit seeing Caylee
His access to KC's car (had keys)
His chasing her on the freeway
His hate for Cindy
His being thrown out of the house more than once

She could even add that he sexually molested her starting as a young child. He could not prove he didn't since she has all the psychological symptoms of such abuse.

Good points. 

[trimmonthelake]

Ono,that scared the mess out of me. 

Cam someone please guide me to where a video link can be found of the photos you all just posted? I would appreciate it.

http://www.wesh.com/slideshow/news/19590190/detail.html   

[SunnyinTX]

Cindy is a very controlling person and perhaps Andrea Lyons didn't want Cindy as her assistant ( lol ) to help with the case. Maybe Cindy didn't want Ms. Lyons.
Cindy gets angry over anything and everything.

  Do you think it's against the law to send the Ant's a nice potted plant with a listening device in it?   

hahahahaha.....would be nice to know what goes on behind THOSE closed doors wouldn't it!   

[Gypsy DD]

I have crept back in here to clarify. I do not in any way think George had anything to do with killing Caylee, nor do I think he abused her.
I was just posing a scenario with the George-did-it what ifs.

Having said that, I do think that George has some kind of knowledge of the fact that she was dead. He either saw her body in the car the day of June 24th, or Casey told him. I think the throwing up at the LE interview was more than recalling the smell. I think he saw her and that is the vision he cannot get out of his head. Although I think it was rehearsed, I think his over the top reaction to the words CAYLEE'S REMAINS at his depo triggered the memory. Now whether or not he had anything to do with the disposal, I don't think so.  I think it was one of those "You got yourself into this mess, now get yourself out." Casey's solution was going around the corner and dumped Caylee.

George has always stayed in the background most of the time and let Spindy take the lead. There is the occassional outburst from him, and he is a loose cannon. I think there were times he just didn't want to be involved in the craziness of the household, and detatched himself.  He probably did love Caylee, mostly like you love a favored pet, and he does feel bad about her being gone. But I think George has some deep dark secrets in his background.  We know there are rumors of a girlfriend, but who is she, or maybe them? Is there more we don't know? Lots we don't know about him. He is the perfect set-up to be the patsy.

I hope I can come back in here and eat my nanners. 

You thoughts are certainly as valid as anyone's......I do think there are many secrets that haven't come out yet.....but will.....so sit down and eat your nanners!!  I also think GA knew Caylee was dead...but I believe he knew from the day they went to pick up the car. He put 2 and 2 together and there was no other answer other than the smell of decomp was Caylee.

I agree..George knew the smell of decomp..but I think he smelled it the day he asked Casey for the wheel chucks or whatever from the trunk and she ran past him to get then.  The trunk was open..but he got a whiff of the smell.  Then when he smelled it again at the towyard ..he knew for sure what had happened.....yet like Cindy they both go back to work.

Some food for thought on Andrea Lyons.

In her previous years she fought cases right and left..now she does only a couple a year..per her..pro bono.  She is a big feminist..nothing wrong with that..but so far I haven't seen her fight any female DP cases.  She was mostly the last hope of poor, disenfranchised African American males.  Then she started taking on cases like Governor Ryan's..purely, I believe because he was a friend and released so many DP  cases in Illinois.

Now she is taking on Casey...hmmm...and her sister does documentaries that are very liberal...some I agree with..one in particular I do not..I'll leave a link at the bottom to Rachel Lyon's site.  Rachael felt that child molesters and sex offenders should be in a program similiar to one in Seattle WA ...since then that program has been considered to be a failure..but still in place.   The belief being child molesters can follow a step program like alcoholics and bee cured..........................ain't true ..there is no cure...not even castration.  But bear with me.

Now Andrea is older and has never really conquered a female DP case...this is like icing on a cake for a feminist lawyer ..who mostly teaches now....what a swan song for a last trial...and her sister gets rights to a doc drama about poor abused women who commit murder.    There is where she comes in.  She will win in the sense that Casey will not get the DP..she will be charged guilty and get LWOP.....that is what I have always thought.

That said..they can throw George or anyone under the bus..but at the end of the day..the evidence will prove without a doubt that Casey did this..they would not have reinstated the DP if it wasn't so.    So Andrea gets to put another win notch on her belt and Casey is in prison for life.    Andrea doesn't exonerate people from DP as much she just wins LWOP.  You call on her when all other options have been exhausted.

So where are the doc dumps..clearly her defense team knows Casey is guilty and is trying for LWOP vs DP.

http://www.lionessmedia.com/documentaries/menwho.htm

[Stacey]

Hello Monkeys

Been reading about all the scenario's the defence could and use to try and show someone else killed Caylee and I think they are some really good thoughts and they have to show someone other then casey could have done it.

But what do all the Monkeys think if the SA can show that the ticket Annie got and the ticket ZG got was really Annie and casey, casey being ZG.
Would that then show that it could have been only casey.

I was thinking if I was a juror and this information was brought in then there would be no way any scenario with someone else doing it could be true.

Monkey hugs

[Shell]

Ono,that scared the mess out of me. 

Cam someone please guide me to where a video link can be found of the photos you all just posted? I would appreciate it.

http://www.wesh.com/slideshow/news/19590190/detail.html   

Thanks so much!

[trimmonthelake]

Shell,here are images just from yesterday.
http://www.wftv.com/slideshow/news/19592520/detail.html