Lively Case Discussion 541a 11/7 - 11/11/2006

[AZLady]

Is this the sort of drainage area that something like a weighted bag could have washed into and been caught?  Or, is it the type of area where someone must have dropped it there?  That seems odd since it appears to be in such full view of passersby.

[AZLady]

However, maybe someone thought it smart to "hide it" in Plain View.

[crazymom]

However, maybe someone thought it smart to "hide it" in Plain View.

Under/next to the "sandbag" looks like two long, thin metal objects.

[klaasend]

Is this the sort of drainage area that something like a weighted bag could have washed into and been caught?  Or, is it the type of area where someone must have dropped it there?  That seems odd since it appears to be in such full view of passersby.

It was placed there, IMO.

[AZLady]

Is this the sort of drainage area that something like a weighted bag could have washed into and been caught?  Or, is it the type of area where someone must have dropped it there?  That seems odd since it appears to be in such full view of passersby.

It was placed there, IMO.

Odd, don't you think?

[klaasend]

Maybe not 2 metal objects.  Could it be that it is a weight and the metal scraped against the concrete and made those marks?

[klaasend]

Is this the sort of drainage area that something like a weighted bag could have washed into and been caught?  Or, is it the type of area where someone must have dropped it there?  That seems odd since it appears to be in such full view of passersby.

It was placed there, IMO.

Odd, don't you think?

Yep, but what isn't in the case.

[AZLady]

On the other hand, it seems to be common practice for people in Aruba to toss their garbage into corners and holes.  Do we know how long it lay there?  or who removed it?  I assume it was removed...

It's very strange how little we know about this white bag, and yet we've been seeing the pics and talking about it for a while.

[crazymom]

Is this the sort of drainage area that something like a weighted bag could have washed into and been caught?  Or, is it the type of area where someone must have dropped it there?  That seems odd since it appears to be in such full view of passersby.

It was placed there, IMO.

Odd, don't you think?

Yep, but what isn't in the case.

That is the truth.

[crazymom]

I would like to look at the video again.  Where can I find it?

[AZLady]

The whole thing just perplexes me.  I understand the big picture.  It's fairly simple what happened and who did it.  It's all these other details that really confuse me.  Like the significance of this bag, if any, the roles many of the suspects play in the crime, and the connections between prostitution, gambling, online gambling, drugs, modeling, newspapers, the polis, the politicians, and I could go on and on.

[klaasend]

I would like to look at the video again.  Where can I find it?

http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-5761570736613527036&q=Chicago_510_24

[crazymom]

The whole thing just perplexes me.  I understand the big picture.  It's fairly simple what happened and who did it.  It's all these other details that really confuse me.  Like the significance of this bag, if any, the roles many of the suspects play in the crime, and the connections between prostitution, gambling, online gambling, drugs, modeling, newspapers, the polis, the politicians, and I could go on and on.

Sometimes I feel like I am on the ferris wheel after one too many cotton candies.

[klaasend]

Going to play a couple games, be back in a bit  

[klaasend]

Before I go, here's another screen capture of the same black object at a slightly different time frame in the video.  It's a little clearer I think:

[AZLady]

You know, people have insinuated that Natalee might be in the white bag.  Maybe this was one of the early hiding places.  If we assume this, then what about the people filming this clip?  The videographer obviously felt the white plastic bag was significant as he showed it from several angles for some time.  For the love of God, why didn't he retrieve the bag and check it out?  See what it was and notify the proper authorities or her parents or something if it was her body?  The video leads the viewer to believe the cameraman just examined it and then left it there.  Is this sick or what?

[Sue]

I still swear those are tennis shoes there in the muddy shore

[AZLady]

Either our legs are being pulled by the careful photographic examination of this bag, or this cameraman has done the unthinkable by knowing what is in that bag and leaving it where it is.  This really makes me ill.

[crazymom]

Either our legs are being pulled by the careful photographic examination of this bag, or this cameraman has done the unthinkable by knowing what is in that bag and leaving it where it is.  This really makes me ill.

This entire case makes me ill!  If she is/was in the bag the camera man should have at least reported it.  Hello.....Aruba.......does anyone have a conscience?

[Sue]

Either our legs are being pulled by the careful photographic examination of this bag, or this cameraman has done the unthinkable by knowing what is in that bag and leaving it where it is.  This really makes me ill.

Yes I agree if that is a body there they need to track this person down
I tend to think that video was made days before it was ever posted