Lively Case Discussion 541a 11/7 - 11/11/2006

[blah]

I thought maybe it could be a large weight.

the black object is a garbage bag with something in it, you cant tell whats in it but it is clearly a garbage bag and it is clearly not empty.

oops forgot to say, in the video it is clearly a black garbage bag.  I picked up on  it right away one of the 1st times I saw that video.

Based upon this screen capture, I agree with you:

If you watch the video, you can see that the lightweight black plastic bad easily blows around in the wind making it very obvious it is a trash bag.  Now, was it set on that little concrete ledge or are the contents inside the bag light enough to allow it to float up there?  Maybe if there were some empty paint cans with the lids put back on, that would allow it to float.  But it doesnt make sense that someone would do that.  Then again, nothing makes sense in Aruba so who knows

[Anna]

I thought maybe it could be a large weight.

the black object is a garbage bag with something in it, you cant tell whats in it but it is clearly a garbage bag and it is clearly not empty.

oops forgot to say, in the video it is clearly a black garbage bag.  I picked up on  it right away one of the 1st times I saw that video.

Based upon this screen capture, I agree with you:

If you watch the video, you can see that the lightweight black plastic bad easily blows around in the wind making it very obvious it is a trash bag.  Now, was it set on that little concrete ledge or are the contents inside the bag light enough to allow it to float up there?  Maybe if there were some empty paint cans with the lids put back on, that would allow it to float.  But it doesnt make sense that someone would do that.  Then again, nothing makes sense in Aruba so who knows

But the little ledge is only 1/2 to 1 concrete blocks wide.  See white handprint on edge of ledge beside it.  This would mean this is tiny and if a plastic bag (I don't doubt that it is at all) then it is a very small one and the contents appears to be one bottle of something.  I would think most likely it is an empty booze bottle wrapped in the bag in which it came.

I don't think it is large enough to hold empty paint cans or anything but the one empty bottle the top of which is seen protruding from the top of the plastic bag.

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[Florida]

Drain measured at 42' x 40"
Not sure if that is the measurement INSIDE area or including outside
The original photos show a 2 x 4 blocking the water & the cement color is darker.

What I noticed was the photoographer going right to one side of the road & then directly to the other..IMO the small black bag is something of his.

2006:

[LilPuma]

Good morning friends....

LilPuma's quote:  Great show though. I'm going to go back and listen to Clint's advice about being safe. He talks about being alert and aware - geez, if you've ever been a witness, you know how UNaware most of us are - there's just so much you don't pick up on even when it's right in front of you.

Mere's response:  Last year I heard someone rattling the back storm door knob....I opened the regular door to see a really scruffy man trying to get in....he said he was here to see someone....he and I got into a screaming match before he left....I did not know for a couple of days that he went down the street and broke into a neighbor's house and stole everything valuable that could be put into a pillowcase.

The police wanted to know if I could identify him...!  I was a bit embarrassed but I could only identify his hands and his awful teeth and his
old brown scuffed up 4 door Mercury.

I made some decisions that day.  I go to the door with a the walk around phone for a 911 call....and maybe next time I will take a digital picture of the creep.

Very scary, MeMere!  Part of the problem is (1) we're not trained like LE to spot these things, but even more important is (2) we're not expecting something criminal to happen that we'll be the victims of or witnesses to!  I couldn't identify a guy that walked in front of my car because I didn't know he was going to hit anyone and didn't know that the person he hit saw him pull out a gun in the car, which caused the traffic tie-up which I was trying to get out of when this was all going down.  The detective did seem to perk up and appreciate it when I mentioned I saw the little silver car and I did give a good description of the blonde who got out of a car and came and pulled the one guy off the other guy and said "let's get out of here".  I was able to corroborate what the guy who got hit said to the other guy, but couldn't describe the guy with the gun (allegedly).  Big, taller than me.  Black.  Could he have been Puerto Rican?  I suppose!  You get the idea.  And this was my second eye-witness experience.  

It reminds me of Natalee's friends saying "we didn't know she was in danger".  Sure it's not smart to let yourself get separated from friends or go with strangers, but you do NOT expect to be drugged, raped, murdered or disappeared.  You don't think this guy who has been around the hotel is a sociopath who routinely preys on tourists and he's going to drug you and rape you.  Clint also reminds us that unlike in the movies, sometimes the criminal looks like a clean cut person.

[LilPuma]

Geraldo is talk to Joe M. right now.  Apparently one of the kids he put up a reward for was found.

Geraldo is on later today in my area - I'll try to catch it.  Joe did say last night that he was just on Geraldo.  I guess they taped it yesterday.

[Tylergal]

Klaas, didn't one of the Arubans or someone (can't remember...) say something about lime and --this is hard to say delicately-- it being put on dead bodies?  Could that be a brown hypothecary bottle of lime?  Ick.  Horrid thought.

An Aruban, who was quite on Beth's side for months.  She only turned on Beth when her real estate value started sinking.  She is also a shopkeeper who specializes in high-end clothes for women and children.

[NM]

Klaas, didn't one of the Arubans or someone (can't remember...) say something about lime and --this is hard to say delicately-- it being put on dead bodies?  Could that be a brown hypothecary bottle of lime?  Ick.  Horrid thought.

An Aruban, who was quite on Beth's side for months.  She only turned on Beth when her real estate value started sinking.  She is also a shopkeeper who specializes in high-end clothes for women and children.

Tgal,
glad to see you back and hope you and SunFreak and Peaches are recovery quickly.
Did that someone post here? No answere nec. I don't really care who it was.  I am truly amazed that that person who blame the victim/family and not the suspects+, ale, gov't.

The phrase "Living in Small MINDEDNESS" seems appropo

Hi all wonderful Monkeys!!  BBL

[Tylergal]

I thought maybe it could be a large weight.

the black object is a garbage bag with something in it, you cant tell whats in it but it is clearly a garbage bag and it is clearly not empty.

oops forgot to say, in the video it is clearly a black garbage bag.  I picked up on  it right away one of the 1st times I saw that video.

Based upon this screen capture, I agree with you:

If you watch the video, you can see that the lightweight black plastic bad easily blows around in the wind making it very obvious it is a trash bag.  Now, was it set on that little concrete ledge or are the contents inside the bag light enough to allow it to float up there?  Maybe if there were some empty paint cans with the lids put back on, that would allow it to float.  But it doesnt make sense that someone would do that.  Then again, nothing makes sense in Aruba so who knows

But the little ledge is only 1/2 to 1 concrete blocks wide.  See white handprint on edge of ledge beside it.  This would mean this is tiny and if a plastic bag (I don't doubt that it is at all) then it is a very small one and the contents appears to be one bottle of something.  I would think most likely it is an empty booze bottle wrapped in the bag in which it came.

I don't think it is large enough to hold empty paint cans or anything but the one empty bottle the top of which is seen protruding from the top of the plastic bag.

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Anna, remind me....about the bottle of Lysol someone kept referring to early on, on RWV.

[oldfart]

Knock, Knock...  
Anyone around ?

I'ts been a while since I  dropped in..  
Was just checking to see if anything has developed with the DUTCH or  the "DEEP THROAT"  person (?) or anything else..

Ooops...  forgot my manners...   Hi to anyone around  

[Tylergal]

Thank you, NM, and I hope Sunfreak and Peaches are doing very well, very soon.

[klaasend]

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[oldfart]

I see Tyler was around...
I'm going to attempt to compost shredded leaves and shredded paper.
I do not have access to a lot of "green material" so will have to hope for the best..

Later Monkeys.... Keep the faith that Justice Will be Found..

OldFart

[Tylergal]

I see Tyler was around...
I'm going to attempt to compost shredded leaves and shredded paper.
I do not have access to a lot of "green material" so will have to hope for the best..

Later Monkeys.... Keep the faith that Justice Will be Found..

OldFart

That's great.  Offer to take your neighbor's leaves if they do not want them or go around town looking out for those placed by the trash.  

[Anna]

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Anna, remind me....about the bottle of Lysol someone kept referring to early on, on RWV.

The empty spray Lysol bottle was found near the foam with teeth prints in it and was in a plastic bag.  Not much was thought of it with all that early mention until fairly recently it was hinted from somewhere that it might have contained something other than Lysol such as chloroform.  Seems that stuff is outdated, however, and I would think GHB the way to go these days for no memory.

So not sure what the Lysol bottle was about if anything.  Chocolate attracts ants, though, doesn't it?  Tales of KIA prisoners buried on dunes so the ants would devour the bodies during plague and all that.  Maybe the kids heard tales of this.  If they find the girl, they will see all that sh*t.  Could it have been chocolate they might see?

Now lime is not nearly so caustic as to require storage in glass.  It comes in big paper bags.  Twenty and fifty pounds I would estimate.  I have at least a twenty pound bag of it and if you get it on your hands, you can just wash it off as it is rather slow acting but it does cause decomposition with little odor.  Can also be mixed with water to make whitewash for painting trees and one would suppose rocks as well.  But that is what the lower part of trees is painted with to prevent insect infestation.

Just trying to incorporate it all. . . . . .

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[Tylergal]

Anna, it was one of the posters at RWV that kept telling us about the Lysol and it was Marie who told us that the lime was placed on the body to keep down the odor.  Lime "sweetens" (or neutralizes nitrogen/ammonia) odors.  Ammonium nitrate and soils heavy in nitrogen will smell and lime is placed there to neutralize the effects of ammonia/nitrogen but also to neutralize and sweeten the soil, raising the pH.

[Tylergal]

Lettuce and tomato are high in nitrogen, and when you put them in the trash they will stink to high heaven but if you added a bucket of dry pine straw, heavy in lime, it would neutralize the pH, thereby causing the odor to go away, the reason fresh manure stinks but old seasoned manure has no smell.

[Florida]

[crazymom]

Hey Monkeys...quick drive by but I will be back later.  My husband looked at the Chicago video with the hands prints and the plastic bag.  If you notice in the video the wall before the culvert is painted white.  He thinks it is possible the hand prints are from when the wall was painted.

[Anna]

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The article says spraybottle containing an unknown suspicious substance.  Lysol is not unknown nor suspicious.  I wonder what it contained.

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[terryd270]

Please come back, come back to Aruba, don't you know that we made a mistaica and we promise not to let the pimps kill and rape you.  It was a beautiful day, a day that you want to toast.. We decided to go to C&C and Joran and the Pimps took me and decided that I would make a good sport.  Don't ya know that all American's are only here for us.. Well the word got out that the Americans are here on the island looking for the one that we took and won't give back.. So we be so sad if you tell us good bye..  Please come back to Aruba, we be so sad if you told us good bye..  Just wanted to say its so sad that more than a year and near the holidays season, that island and its misfits are still sharing our world..


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