Lively Case Discussion #488 7/6 - 7/7/2006

[oldfart]

Klaasend
thank you...  

Is this the search when the friend of the family (??) was there or was that the search on the 15th?.

[klaasend]

Klaasend
thank you...  

Is this the search when the friend of the family (??) was there or was that the search on the 15th?.

What I just posted was the search they supposidly did on the 9th when Jk2 were arrested.  I don't know if Ben King was there on the 9th or the 15th.

[oldfart]

Klaasend
thank you...  

Is this the search when the friend of the family (??) was there or was that the search on the 15th?.

What I just posted was the search they supposidly did on the 9th when Jk2 were arrested.  I don't know if Ben King was there on the 9th or the 15th.

Thanks
would be nice to know if it was the 9th... Does he normally visits firends at 5:30am ??

thanks
gotta run...
SeeeYaByeeeeeeee

[Kat_Gram]

Good day Monkeys  
(I hope)

I'v been attempting to find a video / transcript from around June 9, 2005.
Seems like I heard of a clip showing when JVDS was arrested.

I'm just trying to figure out what time of day it was and IF they did any search of the property that day.. I know they did a search on the 15th and that is when the cars were impounded.

TIA

Three More Aruba Suspects Arrested

Thursday, June 09, 2005
foxnews.com

ORANJESTAD, Aruba — FOX News has learned that three more men have been arrested in Aruba in connection with the disappearance of American tourist Natalee Holloway — the same three young men who were previously questioned as witnesses in the case.

Carla Caccavale, a Holloway family spokesperson, told FOX that Aruban authorities had informed them of the arrests.

Aruban police confirmed the arrests, saying the three men had been picked up at about 5:30 a.m. and that their residences were being searched.

One of the men, a Dutch citizen whose father is said to be a prominent official in the Aruban justice system, may have been romantically involved with the 18-year-old Alabaman the night she disappeared.

Chris Lejuez, court-appointed defense attorney for one of the two men previously arrested in the Holloway case, told FOX News that he and his colleague Noraina Pietersz had been given witness statements from only two of the three men — those of the Surinamese citizens, but not the Dutchman.

Lejuez said the two Surinamese told police that the Dutchman had become intimate with Holloway at the California Lighthouse beach before they dropped her off at her hotel.

According to the attorney, the two told police Holloway had been drinking heavily and was drunk, and then when she got out of their car in front of the Holiday Inn, she stumbled and fell to the ground.

When one tried to help her up, she pushed him away and said "I can stand on my own!"

They say she then headed towards the lobby, and a black man in black pants and a black t-shirt escorted her inside.

The tape from the Holiday Inn lobby camera was reportedly checked by police but no images of Natalee were found, and the attorney says the security guard on duty from midnight on told authorities he never saw Natalee enter the hotel that night.

On Wednesday, a judge ruled that authorities had enough evidence to hold two former security guards in connection with Holloway's disappearance.

At least one of the suspects, 28-year-old Abraham Jones, appeared in court in Aruba Wednesday morning. The other was identified as 30-year-old Mickey John.

Neither man has been charged with a crime, but both were being held on suspicion of first- and second-degree murder and capital kidnapping, the latter of which is invoked when a kidnapping victim is killed, according to their lawyers, Pietersz and Lejuez.

"They have told me that according to police they fit the description of the last two people who were seen with Natalee," Lejuez told FOX News.

Authorities may hold suspects John and Jones without filing formal charges for up to 116 days, lawyers said. The two men were arrested Sunday on the southwestern tip of Aruba in the May 30 disappearance of 18-year-old Holloway.

The two are Aruban citizens, though one is originally from Grenada, Lejuez said.

Judge J.S. Kuiperdal will review the case June 15 and every eight days after that if needed, officials said.

Both suspects have said they were nowhere near the blonde honors student's hotel on the Caribbean resort destination the night she vanished — so far without a trace. They deny any connection to Holloway.

In an interview after the hearing, Pietersz said prosecutors asked that the defendants be kept in jail at least until June 15, when they hope to conclude their investigation.

Vivian Van Der Biezan, spokeswoman for the attorney general's office, said investigators must come up with some evidence to hold the suspects beyond that date.

Der Biezan also said she would check into whether Dutch law allows a charge of murder if no body is found. Investigators "cannot exclude the possibility of a criminal act because of the days that have passed."

Under Aruban law, only serious suspicion from investigators — not solid evidence — is needed for a judge to rule that suspects can be held, Pietersz said.

"I do believe my client is innocent, that's all I can tell you," she added.

Jones' mother told FOX News outside the courtroom that her son was at home sick the night in question. She also said she thought her son and the other man in custody were being framed.

Cynthia Rosalie Jones, 64, added that the only way her son knew about Holloway was from seeing the news on television.

"They have my son there for something he knows nothing about," Jones said emphatically. "My son is innocent."

Jones' wife, Cynthia De Graaf, said she and her husband were together continuously on May 29 and May 30, the day Holloway was last seen.

"He was home. He was even sick," De Graaf said, breaking down in tears as she waited outside the courthouse for the hearing to start. "They ruined everything. My daughter has been asking for her father."


I believe this is when Deepak's car was impounded

I always thought that was strange ! !      
Thanks. I do remember seeing that on CNN also .
Even NG commented on the fact that the statement from Joran was not released to the lawyer, Chris Lejuez.
Only on Aruba ! !
Didn't seem to matter whose watch it was .

[Tylergal]

Neither man has been charged with a crime, but both were being held on suspicion of first- and second-degree murder and capital kidnapping, the latter of which is invoked when a kidnapping victim is killed, according to their lawyers, Pietersz and Lejuez.

What was Big Huey Baby held on?  Suspicion of taking money from Anita's purse?

[terryd270]

Do you think we should fill out  applications for those that have lost their jobs over in Aruba..    

http://www.mcdonalds.nl/  

or

If they want to stay on the lovely island of Aruba, then they can go here

http://www.mcdonalds.com/


I'm not sure about a few of them, wasn't Deepak's and Satish's Mother caught stealing from the cash register, well just have to keep her away from the money.. I'm sure that Anita can find a see thru work shirt..  

td

[klaasend]

Amber alert has been called off:

Alert just cancelled - Danyelle found in Phoenix and Herman taken into custody!

[truthseeker2]

Amber alert has been called off:

Alert just cancelled - Danyelle found in Phoenix and Herman taken into custody!

Excellent news!  thanks for the update.

[Tylergal]

Neither man has been charged with a crime, but both were being held on suspicion of first- and second-degree murder and capital kidnapping, the latter of which is invoked when a kidnapping victim is killed, according to their lawyers, Pietersz and Lejuez.

What was Big Huey Baby held on?  Suspicion of taking money from Anita's purse?

Please read "invoked when a kidnapping victim is killed..."  What made them think she was killed with Johns & Jones were arrested, but not when the three amigoes were arrested?  Because the three amigoes did not do it and they know it, and it was actually Paulus who did it?

[2NJSons_Mom]

Neither man has been charged with a crime, but both were being held on suspicion of first- and second-degree murder and capital kidnapping, the latter of which is invoked when a kidnapping victim is killed, according to their lawyers, Pietersz and Lejuez.

What was Big Huey Baby held on?  Suspicion of taking money from Anita's purse?

Please read "invoked when a kidnapping victim is killed..."  What made them think she was killed with Johns & Jones were arrested, but not when the three amigoes were arrested?  Because the three amigoes did not do it and they know it, and it was actually Paulus who did it?

Or someone higher on the canashito chain?  Dunno, but it is an intriguing question.

[Tylergal]

Even more than discrimination, there is something very strange about the way J&J were treated when arrested, compared to when the three amigoes and Anita's gigolo arrested.  Suffice it to say, there is something that smells like a canoshito here and screams "coverup" to the rafters all the way to the refugees!

[Kat_Gram]

Even more than discrimination, there is something very strange about the way J&J were treated when arrested, compared to when the three amigoes and Anita's gigolo arrested.  Suffice it to say, there is something that smells like a canoshito here and screams "coverup" to the rafters all the way to the refugees!

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What happens when I am in the store in the Spam aisle and I spot a can of Canoshito ?
Will they understand ? Hysterical laughing woman pointing at a can of Canoshito ! !
I will just have to blame it on the heat and the workday stress ! !
You ppl are a bad influence on me ! !      

[Carnut]

Even more than discrimination, there is something very strange about the way J&J were treated when arrested, compared to when the three amigoes and Anita's gigolo arrested.  Suffice it to say, there is something that smells like a canoshito here and screams "coverup" to the rafters all the way to the refugees!

That's for sure, coverup started at least by June 9th with holding back of JVDS story.

Does appear that PVDS and friends were in charge of the investigation from the start.

[lexie]

Just back after fixing dinner.  Go back to Taco's link bottom of page 49.... how many of his clients are described as "BELOVED"??????  Does not seem to think JVDS & PVDS are "beloved"...  

[Tylergal]

Even more than discrimination, there is something very strange about the way J&J were treated when arrested, compared to when the three amigoes and Anita's gigolo arrested.  Suffice it to say, there is something that smells like a canoshito here and screams "coverup" to the rafters all the way to the refugees!

That's for sure, coverup started at least by June 9th with holding back of JVDS story.

Does appear that PVDS and friends were in charge of the investigation from the start.

No, actually I think cover up started somewhere around 9 p.m. on 5/29/06, or perhaps before, as early as the casino video was taped where NH is talking to the Anita's boy toy.

[Tylergal]

Just back after fixing dinner.  Go back to Taco's link bottom of page 49.... how many of his clients are described as "BELOVED"??????  Does not seem to think JVDS & PVDS are "beloved"...  

That was probably written by someone on the dark side.  Actually their version of reality is so twisted, they probably consider Osama bin Laden and Hitler their heroes.

[terryd270]

If the wording is right on other sites it looks like the Aruban judge has decided to closed the case within a month..  I guess Paulus will get his payout soon..  I think I will read a book, its kinda sad that the Sloots get their way with everything.. There will be no justice in the courts for the Sloots because they run the courts..

[igsigs]

MF's translation(sounds more like opinion) of Paulus article yesterday...

It says that the judge decided to close the case and will decide before August 1st. The main reason he wanted the prosecuter's office to give him a full report on the case, is that he wanted to know if Joran was still a suspect, which Karin failed to give him because there was a new witness and new information. The judge decided this week not to wait any longer and will make his decision this month.

The witness who clearly wanted to give Joran a bad name and lied about this to ALE and others, is now released and not yet clear if he will be charge of anything.

[terryd270]

Good night and hopefully Aruba will be annihilated by comet when the Sloots are visiting..

[Sue]

Well In all of Taco's air time he wasted he was defending
Joran is a criminal suit not a civil suit.. Think about what Taco
was saying about his client..