Lively Case Discussion #488 7/6 - 7/7/2006

[Houdini]

ldstlou wrote:

see, I think it is the otherway around...I think it is Joran who has something over K2 brother's or they would have spilled the beans long ago!!

Makes more sense that the K2's got something.  Remember, one of Joran's confessions supposedly had Deepak going back to the beach and killing Natalee.  They announce the confession, and then recant it.  Possibly because Deepak said you can't frame me for this because I have proof........

Don't know how they would have got the shoe, because I don't see him as part of the disposal team.........Joran either.

[ldstlou]

tylergal: I agree with you that there probably is a tape still out there. However, I don't beleive Natalee died beacause she became concious of what was going on, but it was alcohol plus drugging, and potentially more drugging to keep her out when she did start to come to that caused her to pass. JMHO

What explains she "fell and hit her head?"

I'm glad you mention that Tylergal.

After the other day when Klaas was able to trace back to the start of the 'Natalee ran away' rumor -- I was wondering how many more lies got out there in a similar way.

is Klaas here? Was that rumor or fact?

I for one would love to be able to see our archives and go back to every Bondia post.

But...I have not been able to find a statement from any of the 3 boys that said she 'hit her head'. I can only find that 'she fell down'.

If anyone can find where the 'she hit her head' came from, I think that would be interesting.

KLAAS where are you??!! haha why do I always lose my posts?! I know, I know...being a blonde today!!

[Carnut]

I can't BELIEVE!!! how BLONDE!! I am...when the "bangbus" stuff came up..I admit...I visited the site...and it SO disturbed me how people were duped!! Was thinking...oh my gosh!! theses young kids will have this haunt them for the rest of their lives!! Feel a little better knowing they are all active participants and knew in advance what was going on...is this really true?

If it was, in fact, real, all the authorities would have to do is track down the owner of the company itself, and arrest them with (what's probably now) hundreds of counts of rape.  Hell, all the "evidence" they'd need would be readily available to them via the video clips on the website itself.  Of course it's staged.  Wait...you don't think in those porno movies, the pizza delivery men where sent there to actually deliver pizza, do you??    What about the plumber??  

Pizza delivery and Plumber? Humm, haven't seen those yet.

[thirdstrike]

Thirdstrike wrote:

My goodness, you took all my hot air, and filled a nice, purple colored baloon with it! GREAT job!! It's EXACTLY what I was trying to say...

Think nothing of it Third, it was easy.   I have ESPN.

So do I!!  It's part of the "sports package" on my DirecTV!!

[flyingmermaid]

Lets See

Hi XXX!

Hello, my dear!!  How are you this fine Friday??  

I am not nekked anymore!  So good.  Well I am 1/2 naked! Drat!

[Sue]

Does someone know a approximate date when papa sloot had the moving van at the house how long after the searches was the place cleaned out
possibly painted and god know what else

[ldstlou]

Thirdstrike wrote:

I do agree (in regards to the videotape still existing) that criminals would keep things like this as a souvenir if their M.O. was that of raping and killing on more of a "routine" (and I use this loosely) basis. By that, I mean that I'd agree more with saying the tape still exists if they (Joran and the K2's) used murder as their ultimate goal in victimizing tourists on the island (instead of only raping and filming them). Am I making any sense? I guess I should explain that I believe they are responsible for her death, but IMO, as an accident (as a byproduct of the drugs being administered to her without her knowledge, or rather a result of rough sexual activity). What you describe is more the actions of someone who did this more frequently (killing, that is)...

Damn, I feel like a mumble-mouth today! Can't get out anything that makes any kind of sense. Hopefully you get what I'm trying to say anyway...

What thirdstrike is trying to convey is the saving of a souvenir is done by serial killers.  They can relive their conquest by watching or fondling the object.  Thirdstrike feels that this is NOT the case, as he believes NH's demise was probably due to accident.

See Third, I can be your translator!

I thought it was an accident in the beginning...now I am not so sure...don't think it was premeditated...but DEFINATELY think now that Joran has the potential in him to do this again..I really think he is nothing less than a sociopath!!

[thirdstrike]

Lets See

Hi XXX!

Hello, my dear!!  How are you this fine Friday??  

I am not nekked anymore!  So good.  Well I am 1/2 naked! Drat!

To be quite honest Mrs Mermaid, I feel absoluetely comfortable being nekked in here!  Hell...I'm among friends...

[Houdini]

Thirdstrike wrote:

So do I!! It's part of the "sports package" on my DirecTV!!

Yeah, but I was born a psycho................I mean psychic.

[Houdini]

Thirdstrike wrote:

To be quite honest Mrs Mermaid, I feel absoluetely comfortable being nekked in here! Hell...I'm among friends...

I don't Third, I keep waiting for someone to recognize me as "the plumber" because of my "crack".

[Kimmy53]

[  Not only does lying make her uglier, but lying in a see-thru blouse and then describing Natalee's underwear almost makes her look and sound like a pedophile.

   I had brougt up the possability of Anita being a sexual degenerate a few weeks ago but got no replys
 SoI thought the idea was possably just not PC as a lot of folks do not want to even hear about suchthings as this in polite discussion and so I let it go .
  I ave seen and known women that just loved to  ear all sorts of sorted details  such as NH's Undies described as well as the sex acts and how the woman reacted to them like it or not  no one can come up with ANY proof of the GVS interview except for Gretas word wich I am starting to hold suspect
even Gretas staff said that it was just Gretas opinion tat she couldnt  talk about the underware details part of the interview  so maybe Anita  was enjoying telling Greta  the stories and watching Greta squirm .   JMO a possability[/quote]

It is a very real possibility - Could be some of the reason Joran has such behavioral problems.  Demented I tell you.

BTW - is that you riding that bull?

[dkpen]

Hi everyone,
Not sure if this has been posted or talked about but I thought I would post it, just in case, for anyone interested....


http://runfornatalee.com/



And thought I'd post this link as well...


Aruba's finest family has hired a high-powered law firm to lobby against a drug kingpin law:http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v99/n1196/a01.html
Here is the gist of their involvement: Another major D.C. law firm, Akin, Gump, Strauss, Hauer & Feld, recently began lobbying on behalf of Glossco Freezone, an Aruba business controlled by the Mansur family, some of whose members have been indicted in the United States on charges of conspiracy to launder drug trafficking proceeds, congressional sources said.

Google the name of Glossco Freezone if you want to know more about Aruba's finest family.

source: al.com

[dkpen]

oops, let's try that again for the link....

Aruba's finest family has hired a high-powered law firm to lobby against a drug kingpin law:

http://www.mapinc.org/drugnews/v99/n1196/a01.html

[ldstlou]

I can't BELIEVE!!! how BLONDE!! I am...when the "bangbus" stuff came up..I admit...I visited the site...and it SO disturbed me how people were duped!! Was thinking...oh my gosh!! theses young kids will have this haunt them for the rest of their lives!! Feel a little better knowing they are all active participants and knew in advance what was going on...is this really true?

If it was, in fact, real, all the authorities would have to do is track down the owner of the company itself, and arrest them with (what's probably now) hundreds of counts of rape.  Hell, all the "evidence" they'd need would be readily available to them via the video clips on the website itself.  Of course it's staged.  Wait...you don't think in those porno movies, the pizza delivery men where sent there to actually deliver pizza, do you??    What about the plumber??  

ok...blonde today..but not THAT!! blonde!!! hahahaha
I really thought bangbus was real!! Feel SO MUCH better now!! Thanks for the clarification!!

[Houdini]

ldstlou wrote:

I thought it was an accident in the beginning...now I am not so sure...don't think it was premeditated...but DEFINATELY think now that Joran has the potential in him to do this again..I really think he is nothing less than a sociopath!!

I'll have to stick with the accident because we haven't heard of any other time their ruse ended this way.

The coverup however is so complete that I wonder how many people are involved?  How many of them know exactly what happened or is it compartmentalized.  Is someone high up saying "Just do this, and don't ask any questions?".
I mean curiousity is human nature.  Whatever series of events that is portrayed must be believable enough that no one questions it.

[flyingmermaid]

Thirdstrike wrote:

So do I!! It's part of the "sports package" on my DirecTV!!

Yeah, but I was born a psycho................I mean psychic.

DO you know Momintn?

[flyingmermaid]

Lets See

Hi XXX!

Hello, my dear!!  How are you this fine Friday??  

I am not nekked anymore!  So good.  Well I am 1/2 naked! Drat!

To be quite honest Mrs Mermaid, I feel absoluetely comfortable being nekked in here!  Hell...I'm among friends...

I, for one am not offended by the human form!

Besides you will have less laundry to attend to.

[ldstlou]

ldstlou wrote:

see, I think it is the otherway around...I think it is Joran who has something over K2 brother's or they would have spilled the beans long ago!!

Makes more sense that the K2's got something.  Remember, one of Joran's confessions supposedly had Deepak going back to the beach and killing Natalee.  They announce the confession, and then recant it.  Possibly because Deepak said you can't frame me for this because I have proof........

Don't know how they would have got the shoe, because I don't see him as part of the disposal team.........Joran either.

I don't know...still not convinced...think it was Joran that hurt Natalee and K2 are keeping quiet because they were partially involved and/or Joran has something on them other than this case. I think Deepak saying...if they ever found the body...Joran is dead!!

[Houdini]

Flyingmermaid wrote:

DO you know Momintn?

We are both thinking right now.

[ldstlou]

ldstlou wrote:

see, I think it is the otherway around...I think it is Joran who has something over K2 brother's or they would have spilled the beans long ago!!

Makes more sense that the K2's got something.  Remember, one of Joran's confessions supposedly had Deepak going back to the beach and killing Natalee.  They announce the confession, and then recant it.  Possibly because Deepak said you can't frame me for this because I have proof........

Don't know how they would have got the shoe, because I don't see him as part of the disposal team.........Joran either.

I don't know...still not convinced...think it was Joran that hurt Natalee and K2 are keeping quiet because they were partially involved and/or Joran has something on them other than this case. I think Deepak saying...if they ever found the body...Joran is dead!!

or possibly they thought the computer logs would save them...worked obviously!!