Lively Case Discussion #488 7/6 - 7/7/2006

[ldstlou]

Thirdstrike wrote:

My goodness, you took all my hot air, and filled a nice, purple colored baloon with it! GREAT job!! It's EXACTLY what I was trying to say...

Think nothing of it Third, it was easy.   I have ESPN.

So do I!!  It's part of the "sports package" on my DirecTV!!

you all are too funny today!!

[thirdstrike]

I, for one am not offended by the human form!

Besides you will have less laundry to attend to.

I'll have to remember that Mrs Mermaid!  For no other reason then to know I won't have to worry about you complaining to Red when I decide to let it all hang out in here...

[the big hammer]

American Pie

More than a movie or a "theory?"

IMO, the primary "purpose" of assault was the movie and the pictures.  It is in their recorded actions as cognition.  It is "what" they do.

I believe the video exists.  And they do save their videos:

1.  Satish popped the porn dvd in as they drove past LaCabana, and Natalee said she "had enough".
2.  NE reporter has beer w/ goon in Netherlands and he pops out PDA and shares porn: "Can I bite you?"
3.  The arrest of Freddie and charges sustained against him: the video recording of assault of 16 yr old girl who is slipping in and out of consciousness...
4.  After leaving Natalee on beach, what did goon do: he turned on computer to pick up soccer scores and watch porn.
5.  The event w/ Bailey and Alyse, a near exact rehearsal for the nite w/ Natalee, there is porn playing on the car's dvd (double screens), as recorded in the pictures we have all seen.

Do you believe all of these to be of "professional" level?  I don't, not at all.  And there is rumor that some have said a video of Natalee exists and they have seen, girls who local and Aruban.

It is, imo, not just serial killers who keep "trophies" -- serial rapists do as well.  And that is who these people are.  

If the video was uploaded live (for remote viewing), it is almost certain that a copy exists somewhere in cyberspace.  And I believe this is more than likely.

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[ldstlou]

Thirdstrike wrote:

To be quite honest Mrs Mermaid, I feel absoluetely comfortable being nekked in here! Hell...I'm among friends...

I don't Third, I keep waiting for someone to recognize me as "the plumber" because of my "crack".

stop it!! you are making me pee my pants and getting me in trouble!! I AM STILL AT WORK!!! hahahahahaha

[Houdini]

ldstlou wrote:

or possibly they thought the computer logs would save them...worked obviously!!

I don't have the Van transcripts handy, but it starts out with Deepak mad at Joran for what he tried to say.  At first Joran denies, then gets mad because of Deepak implicating his father.  The body reference sounded (to me) like Deepak was afraid that Joran was going to say Deepak killed her and buried her at this spot.  Deepak didn't know where the body was, so he threatened him with involvement of Freddy.  Joran than threatened Deepak with Satish's involvement.

I truly don't think either of the three know what happened to the body.  JMHO

[Tylergal]

I think Satish has the missing tennis shoe.  Why do I think this?  Because the sporter was so adamant about Satish wanting to speed away from where (crime scene) he had left Natalee.  If the shoe(s) crop up anytime, he can say that Satish went back and killed her.  Satish, run -- don't walk -- to the nearest phone and call the FBI.  Otherwise, your a** is grass and the VDS family is the lawnmower.

??? in a hurry as in "hit the girl" or am I missing something? I think it would have come up in the cop car conversation if the K2 brothers had something over Joran's head...just seemed to me as though it were the other way around..as though Joran had something on K2 brothers...whether it had to do with Natalee...or other instances...who knows?
I still think Satish is the weak link though....question is...how to get to him?!

Remember Baby Huey's interview with Greta where he described Satish picking him up and he did not have time to go back and get his shoes, Satish said something to the effect, "to hell with it," or something similar.  Right there is where he tells me that Satish has the shoe(s).

but thought there was a consensus that they were never at the beach?! I still think Joran has something on K2 brothers that is keeping them silent. There were so many threats in that cop car...think Satish would have spilled the beans if Joran DIDN'T have something on them

I am not saying they ever went to the beach.  I am saying I think Satish has the shoe(s).  He could have gotten them from anywhere, but the story Joran set up was so Satish could not use the shoes against him.

[Tylergal]

American Pie

More than a movie or a "theory?"

IMO, the primary "purpose" of assault was the movie and the pictures.  It is in their recorded actions as cognition.  It is "what" they do.

I believe the video exists.  And they do save their videos:

1.  Satish popped the porn dvd in as they drove past LaCabana, and Natalee said she "had enough".
2.  NE reporter has beer w/ goon in Netherlands and he pops out PDA and shares porn: "Can I bite you?"
3.  The arrest of Freddie and charges sustained against him: the video recording of assault of 16 yr old girl who is slipping in and out of consciousness...
4.  After leaving Natalee on beach, what did goon do: he turned on computer to pick up soccer scores and watch porn.
5.  The event w/ Bailey and Alyse, a near exact rehearsal for the nite w/ Natalee, there is porn playing on the car's dvd (double screens), as recorded in the pictures we have all seen.

Do you believe all of these to be of "professional" level?  I don't, not at all.  And there is rumor that some have said a video of Natalee exists and they have seen, girls who local and Aruban.

It is, imo, not just serial killers who keep "trophies" -- serial rapists do as well.  And that is who these people are.  

If the video was uploaded live (for remote viewing), it is almost certain that a copy exists somewhere in cyberspace.  And I believe this is more than likely.

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Hammer, I think you and I are in total agreement here.  I am going to mention again the link I found to the sleeping bitches.  That to me speaks volumes about the level of their involvement in porno.

[Jerry from Ohio]

I think Satish has the missing tennis shoe.  Why do I think this?  Because the sporter was so adamant about Satish wanting to speed away from where (crime scene) he had left Natalee.  If the shoe(s) crop up anytime, he can say that Satish went back and killed her.  Satish, run -- don't walk -- to the nearest phone and call the FBI.  Otherwise, your a** is grass and the VDS family is the lawnmower.

Yep, the K2's definitely have something on JVDS or this case woulda been over a long time ago.

Only now the K2's really need to be careful about accidents and possibly winding up in a cave somewhere.

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    Wouldnt it be interesting to see just what would happen if all the sudden the "Ol Sporter "
would just come up missing ?
  Not i am not saying  be killed or anything but left with a few men to sit in a jungle hut somewhere that he didnt know  where he was or who he was with and no one saying a word to im for this long period I bet he'd be crying and go 1/2 out of is sociopathic mind.  
  I would just be curious as to WHO would do what on Aruba  and to see who would then run for cover thinking that the worst  was yet to come .
  Just a wondering thought that I have had .

[Kimmy53]

ldstlou wrote:

I thought it was an accident in the beginning...now I am not so sure...don't think it was premeditated...but DEFINATELY think now that Joran has the potential in him to do this again..I really think he is nothing less than a sociopath!!

I'll have to stick with the accident because we haven't heard of any other time their ruse ended this way.

The coverup however is so complete that I wonder how many people are involved?  How many of them know exactly what happened or is it compartmentalized.  Is someone high up saying "Just do this, and don't ask any questions?".
I mean curiousity is human nature.  Whatever series of events that is portrayed must be believable enough that no one questions it.

I, too, think it was an accident - "something bad happened".

I wonder as well, how many people know something.  They may not know exact details, but they may know of - say- a meeting between some of the players of this., or maybe someone walked in on a conversation, or saw a memo, some small piece of evidence.  I just can't convince myself that there isn't SOMEONE who knows some little something that may make a difference.  

You would have thought if several people knew, someone would have talked by now - if nothing but let something slip.  But then again - look at how many have left the island....Maybe they scattered so they wouldn't be so scared to slip up and tell.

[Houdini]

The Big Hammer wrote:

It is, imo, not just serial killers who keep "trophies" -- serial rapists do as well. And that is who these people are.

If the video was uploaded live (for remote viewing), it is almost certain that a copy exists somewhere in cyberspace. And I believe this is more than likely.

It's a distinct possibility.  I definitely believe somebody has something, and that's why everyone is so "tight-lipped".  It could be a tape.

[ldstlou]

Lets See

Hi XXX!

Hello, my dear!!  How are you this fine Friday??  

I am not nekked anymore!  So good.  Well I am 1/2 naked! Drat!

To be quite honest Mrs Mermaid, I feel absoluetely comfortable being nekked in here!  Hell...I'm among friends...

I, for one am not offended by the human form!

Besides you will have less laundry to attend to.

I could say that at 30!! quite proud of my "human form" then!! Now at 40 though!! keep it WELL HIDDEN!! haha AMAZING what 10 years and a kid can do to a figure!!!

[Houdini]

ldstlou wrote:

I could say that at 30!! quite proud of my "human form" then!! Now at 40 though!! keep it WELL HIDDEN!! haha AMAZING what 10 years and a kid can do to a figure!!!

You should ask Thirdstrike about his patented "Pizza Diet and Exercise Program"

[ldstlou]

I think Satish has the missing tennis shoe.  Why do I think this?  Because the sporter was so adamant about Satish wanting to speed away from where (crime scene) he had left Natalee.  If the shoe(s) crop up anytime, he can say that Satish went back and killed her.  Satish, run -- don't walk -- to the nearest phone and call the FBI.  Otherwise, your a** is grass and the VDS family is the lawnmower.

??? in a hurry as in "hit the girl" or am I missing something? I think it would have come up in the cop car conversation if the K2 brothers had something over Joran's head...just seemed to me as though it were the other way around..as though Joran had something on K2 brothers...whether it had to do with Natalee...or other instances...who knows?
I still think Satish is the weak link though....question is...how to get to him?!

Remember Baby Huey's interview with Greta where he described Satish picking him up and he did not have time to go back and get his shoes, Satish said something to the effect, "to hell with it," or something similar.  Right there is where he tells me that Satish has the shoe(s).

but thought there was a consensus that they were never at the beach?! I still think Joran has something on K2 brothers that is keeping them silent. There were so many threats in that cop car...think Satish would have spilled the beans if Joran DIDN'T have something on them

I am not saying they ever went to the beach.  I am saying I think Satish has the shoe(s).  He could have gotten them from anywhere, but the story Joran set up was so Satish could not use the shoes against him.

I don't know Tygergal...I am usually on the same wavelength as you (judge that good or bad!) haha but what would the shoe prove w/out body? Why would he think at the moment to save the shoe? Give me your scenario

[thirdstrike]

Lets See

Hi XXX!

Hello, my dear!!  How are you this fine Friday??  

I am not nekked anymore!  So good.  Well I am 1/2 naked! Drat!

To be quite honest Mrs Mermaid, I feel absoluetely comfortable being nekked in here!  Hell...I'm among friends...

I, for one am not offended by the human form!

Besides you will have less laundry to attend to.

I could say that at 30!! quite proud of my "human form" then!! Now at 40 though!! keep it WELL HIDDEN!! haha AMAZING what 10 years and a kid can do to a figure!!!

I'm sure you look fine Idstlou...even at 40!!  As a matter of fact, I'm going to do you a favor.  Send me a picture of you in your natural human form, and I'll confirm it for you!!  Yes, I'm a giver...

[AZSunny]

AZSunny

If you check in....the test is very controlled.  The medicine in the IV starts slow and titrates (increases) slow.  It can be stopped at any time and leaves your system quickly.  When they want to see how the heart works under exercise, and someone can not walk (you have a leg problem), they use a drug to mimic the "stress" a good brisk walk would have on your heart.  They will watch you every minute.  I've seen some pretty sick people have this test and they control the dosing very well.  Good luck.  I'm glad you have someone that is interested in getting to the bottom of your problems.  Women don't have classic symptoms of heart issues sometimes. Unfortunately, many doctors ignore them.

Carnut

I've never read that beta blockers cause diabetes.  Beta blockers can mask or hide the symptoms a diabetic gets when his sugar is high or low (hunger, sweating...).  The drug is a standard of care for anyone with heart disease...many of whom are diabetic.  I would be interested in reading the article if you can possibly post the source.  TIA

Here's the story I read:

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/HEALTH/03/29/hypertension.diabetes/index.html

Buckeye,  thanks for your thouhts.  I completed the test this morning, and I came through fine.  Not preliminary evidence of any heart blockage.  I am certainly glad it is over, but  it was less impactful than what I had created in my mind!  LOL

[Houdini]

ldstlou wrote:

I don't know Tygergal...I am usually on the same wavelength as you (judge that good or bad!) haha but what would the shoe prove w/out body? Why would he think at the moment to save the shoe? Give me your scenario

If the shoe was covered with NH's blood, Joran has alot of splainin to do!

[thirdstrike]

ldstlou wrote:

I could say that at 30!! quite proud of my "human form" then!! Now at 40 though!! keep it WELL HIDDEN!! haha AMAZING what 10 years and a kid can do to a figure!!!

You should ask Thirdstrike about his patented "Pizza Diet and Exercise Program"

Shhhhh Houdini!   I didn't get the patent yet...

[Tylergal]

AZSunny

If you check in....the test is very controlled.  The medicine in the IV starts slow and titrates (increases) slow.  It can be stopped at any time and leaves your system quickly.  When they want to see how the heart works under exercise, and someone can not walk (you have a leg problem), they use a drug to mimic the "stress" a good brisk walk would have on your heart.  They will watch you every minute.  I've seen some pretty sick people have this test and they control the dosing very well.  Good luck.  I'm glad you have someone that is interested in getting to the bottom of your problems.  Women don't have classic symptoms of heart issues sometimes. Unfortunately, many doctors ignore them.

Carnut

I've never read that beta blockers cause diabetes.  Beta blockers can mask or hide the symptoms a diabetic gets when his sugar is high or low (hunger, sweating...).  The drug is a standard of care for anyone with heart disease...many of whom are diabetic.  I would be interested in reading the article if you can possibly post the source.  TIA

Here's the story I read:

http://archives.cnn.com/2000/HEALTH/03/29/hypertension.diabetes/index.html

Buckeye,  thanks for your thouhts.  I completed the test this morning, and I came through fine.  Not preliminary evidence of any heart blockage.  I

am certainly glad it is over, but  it was less impactful than what I had created in my mind!  LOL

Good to hear you had no glaring abnormalities on the echo.  It is usually much worse in our minds than reality.  We can certainly conjure up some wild scenarios, but better to do that and have a good outcome than to think it will go fine and have a bad outcome.  There is always a bright side to paranoia.  I usually have negative results after all the hours spent awake worrying.   You are not alone.

[Tylergal]

ldstlou wrote:

I don't know Tygergal...I am usually on the same wavelength as you (judge that good or bad!) haha but what would the shoe prove w/out body? Why would he think at the moment to save the shoe? Give me your scenario

If the shoe was covered with NH's blood, Joran has alot of splainin to do!

DNA.

[Houdini]

Thirdstrike wrote:

Shhhhh Houdini! I didn't get the patent yet...

Well at least your interrogation skills are still legendary.