Caylee Marie Anthony #134 5/29/09 - 6/03/09

[trimmonthelake]

I'd sure like to know what is happening for the public not to get the docs anymore, did the Sunshine Law go bye bye, and we didn't hear about this? 

NoRose,JSM and I want to know if we will get to see these 200 pages?
Are they gonna go poof too?

[Desdemona]

Well, May 19th was the hearing in the civil matter but that is to be concluded at a later date due to "Conman" throwing the "I have a boo boo card" as to whey they did not appear a few days later.   I'll try to see if there is something more concrete known about this notice of appearance.

5/28 was last week's motion hearing over the jail videotape & phone records...Dominic Casey is listed as an individual that Casey's defense team wants but we did not hear an objection but he may have been in attendance for the hearing, so Im not entirely sure.  We've never seen DC's attorney yet.

Thanks Capp.  So, okay... the Brad's-back-is-out hearing that was postponed and the meet-the-new-DP-qualified-attorney hearing.  Right.  Well, I guess I understand why DC would have counsel present for the second one, if he was on the list for having phone records subpoenaed...?  But then, like you said, no attorney spoke for DC at that hearing...I'm so confused.

And why would DC have had an attorney log a notice of counsel for the other one?  (May 19, ZG civil case.) Wasn't the purpose to schedule the A's to finish their depos?  Was DC even supposed to be a part of that one?  Is it because he was previously a no-show?  Help!  I really don't get it.
 

[no rose colored glasses]

God has blessed us with with three Lyon sisters, evidently. One is "blooded." Another is clearly a possibility. Unkown about the third but I would be willing to bet next month's rent that she is too. JMO   

Okay here is my stupid question of the evening.

Andrea's dad said she was blooded about the hillbilly dude she defended, right? So to me he is saying that is what turned her into an anti death penalty attorney?  Wasn't he charged with raping his own daughter? What does that have to do with the death penalty? Did JSM read that wrong? TIA JSM

Good question, hopefully someone has the answer to this.

Thanks No Rose. I was reading on the skinny Rachel sisters bio, all her PBS documentaries, like Frontline etc. I was just wondering did the fat one indoctrinate the skinny one or were they raised liberals by birth.

 NOTE JSM doesn't discriminate against liberals. TIA JSM

When I was reading a bio on Andrea, it said she came from a liberal family.

[no rose colored glasses]

I'd sure like to know what is happening for the public not to get the docs anymore, did the Sunshine Law go bye bye, and we didn't hear about this? 

NoRose,JSM and I want to know if we will get to see these 200 pages?
Are they gonna go poof too?

I think everything we have been waiting on has gone poof, and I'm mad  There has to be a reason for this.

[trimmonthelake]

Thanks for the link Kimmy2. 

[Cappuccino]

God has blessed us with with three Lyon sisters, evidently. One is "blooded." Another is clearly a possibility. Unkown about the third but I would be willing to bet next month's rent that she is too. JMO   

Okay here is my stupid question of the evening.

Andrea's dad said she was blooded about the hillbilly dude she defended, right? So to me he is saying that is what turned her into an anti death penalty attorney?  Wasn't he charged with raping his own daughter? What does that have to do with the death penalty? Did JSM read that wrong? TIA JSM

Good question, hopefully someone has the answer to this.

No, it wasnt murder.  This creep to the highest degree thought it was his right and  "property" to rape his own daughter - o God I cant, I just cant get into graphics here BUT Lyons father was referring to Lyons being "Blooded" because despite her hatred for this guy she still defended him...Im not in agreement that it was noble by any means, in fact Im disgusted beyond beyond - it just goes to show how easily she is willing to compromise her moral fortitude

[Cappuccino]

Also, what was that duces tecum thingy that Trimm posted earlier about Richard Cain. What was that about??? Capp?? Desi?? 

I'm sure Capp can provide the technicalese here, but I will add that I remember this was the very first thing mentioned at the hearing the other day.  Judge Strickland said that the Cain subpoena was being handled separately -- The subpoena filed by Baez, to all the players for their phone records.  Those not opposing (like the A's) were accepting the subpoena by default.  Those whose attorneys showed up (Jesse, Amy, Krunk) were asking for limits to be placed on the scope of the phone records they would be required to produce.  The judge opened by stating that Cain's was being handled separately. 

So was Mr Casey's records talked about in this hearing? TIA JSM

No, JSM because his attorney did not object on his behalf.

[Kat_Gram]

Ms Lyons is going to make this case and use the publicity to put forward her book along with her reason for being .. removal of the Death Penalty. She will get millions of dollars in free publicity which is exactly why she took this case.
In Canada, we do not have the Death Penalty, so I don't think about the issue too much. There are some people ( law enforcemant killers, child killers, pedophiles, who are beyond rehabilitation ) who should be getting more than what they get up here but the Death penalty will never come back under any form of legislation. However, a growing segment of our population do want stiffer penalties for repeat offenders.
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I really don't think that Casey will get the Death Penalty when she is found guilty. I also don't know what the " norm " is in Florida for cases where a young woman kills her own child. . 

[joesamas mama]

Okay here is my stupid question of the evening.

Andrea's dad said she was blooded about the hillbilly dude she defended, right? So to me he is saying that is what turned her into an anti death penalty attorney?  Wasn't he charged with raping his own daughter? What does that have to do with the death penalty? Did JSM read that wrong? TIA JSM

JSM, if your question is upid-stay, then Desi is upid-stay, b/c I wondered the same thing.  Here is a link I found, discussing the fact that the DP can be given in some kinds of rape cases, as in this particular case, in which the victim is a child.  (This is not the Lyon "blooding" case, btw, and I don't even recall whether that case was indeed a DP case, or if it was just her first accused criminal that she defended.)
http://mobile.orlandosentinel.com/inf/infomo?view=breaking_news_item&feed:a=sentinel_1min&feed:c=breakingnews&feed:i=47228542

O/T Can we get the mods to disable the letters s-t-u-p-i-d for JSM, a very smart and funny poster who asks excellent questions?
  

Desi, I forgot I could use pig Latin.  Seriously, I'm glad I wasnt the only one that wondered about the "blooding" quote. I thought that It sounded like complete and utter BS. No More Stupid from JSM tonight!

[Cappuccino]

I'd sure like to know what is happening for the public not to get the docs anymore, did the Sunshine Law go bye bye, and we didn't hear about this? 

NoRose,JSM and I want to know if we will get to see these 200 pages?
Are they gonna go poof too?

We should, once its filed with the court it should be able to be released.   The only thing is I wonder if they will just "hold them" until the motion hearing is continued as it relates to the releasing of the jail video.

[trimmonthelake]

I'd sure like to know what is happening for the public not to get the docs anymore, did the Sunshine Law go bye bye, and we didn't hear about this? 

NoRose,JSM and I want to know if we will get to see these 200 pages?
Are they gonna go poof too?

I think everything we have been waiting on has gone poof, and I'm mad  There has to be a reason for this.

I know how you feel.It's beyond ridiculous now.We are so far behind on documents.
I thought maybe they were waiting until that hearing we just had.Maybe we'll here something tomorrow.
As far as Beaz's stuff,we don't see any of that,right?
And in that news article it stated that Linda Drane Burdick was present during Baez's questions.If something hinky was going on,she would have called him on that.
You know last night Des said in one of her posts that there was something big being covered up and I believe that. 

[joesamas mama]

Also, what was that duces tecum thingy that Trimm posted earlier about Richard Cain. What was that about??? Capp?? Desi?? 

I'm sure Capp can provide the technicalese here, but I will add that I remember this was the very first thing mentioned at the hearing the other day.  Judge Strickland said that the Cain subpoena was being handled separately -- The subpoena filed by Baez, to all the players for their phone records.  Those not opposing (like the A's) were accepting the subpoena by default.  Those whose attorneys showed up (Jesse, Amy, Krunk) were asking for limits to be placed on the scope of the phone records they would be required to produce.  The judge opened by stating that Cain's was being handled separately. 

So was Mr Casey's records talked about in this hearing? TIA JSM

No, JSM because his attorney did not object on his behalf.

Thanks Cappy, so that means that Mr Baez gets the phone records of Mr Casey. ALL of them right? If he gets them so does the SA? Right? TIA JSM

[joesamas mama]

Also, what was that duces tecum thingy that Trimm posted earlier about Richard Cain. What was that about??? Capp?? Desi?? 

I'm sure Capp can provide the technicalese here, but I will add that I remember this was the very first thing mentioned at the hearing the other day.  Judge Strickland said that the Cain subpoena was being handled separately -- The subpoena filed by Baez, to all the players for their phone records.  Those not opposing (like the A's) were accepting the subpoena by default.  Those whose attorneys showed up (Jesse, Amy, Krunk) were asking for limits to be placed on the scope of the phone records they would be required to produce.  The judge opened by stating that Cain's was being handled separately. 

So was Mr Casey's records talked about in this hearing? TIA JSM

No, JSM because his attorney did not object on his behalf.

Thanks Cappy, so that means that Mr Baez gets the phone records of Mr Casey. ALL of them right? If he gets them so does the SA? Right? TIA JSM

Oh, one more thing I forgot to ask, if the SA gets them then we get them and see who Mr Casey was really talking to while he was playing in the woods with his shovel, right?   

[joesamas mama]

I'd sure like to know what is happening for the public not to get the docs anymore, did the Sunshine Law go bye bye, and we didn't hear about this? 

NoRose,JSM and I want to know if we will get to see these 200 pages?
Are they gonna go poof too?

Yeah, me too. I'm not gonna break my toe dancing for documents, just yet. 

[trimmonthelake]

I'd sure like to know what is happening for the public not to get the docs anymore, did the Sunshine Law go bye bye, and we didn't hear about this? 

NoRose,JSM and I want to know if we will get to see these 200 pages?
Are they gonna go poof too?

We should, once its filed with the court it should be able to be released.   The only thing is I wonder if they will just "hold them" until the motion hearing is continued as it relates to the releasing of the jail video.

Thanks Capp.I really appreciate how you take the time to answer all of our questions.You're a good person. 

[joesamas mama]

Hey everyone,me again lol,,im tryin to catch up here,and trying to fix dinner,and arguing with my husband that i Need to catch up on all these post lol...you guys are so smart! thanks for all you do here,for people like me that cant keep up....a friend sent me this blog,im not so sure i believe in psychics but i found it interesting,if its been posted before sorry...but this is one psychic i hope is right...anyway an interesting read....keep up the good work!

http://blogs.myspace.com/index.cfm?fuseaction=blog.view&friendId=306247503&blogId=485381972

Hi Kimmy, I will read it in just a bit. Fix a good dinner. JSM wishes she cooked

[joesamas mama]

God has blessed us with with three Lyon sisters, evidently. One is "blooded." Another is clearly a possibility. Unkown about the third but I would be willing to bet next month's rent that she is too. JMO   

Okay here is my stupid question of the evening.

Andrea's dad said she was blooded about the hillbilly dude she defended, right? So to me he is saying that is what turned her into an anti death penalty attorney?  Wasn't he charged with raping his own daughter? What does that have to do with the death penalty? Did JSM read that wrong? TIA JSM

Good question, hopefully someone has the answer to this.

Thanks No Rose. I was reading on the skinny Rachel sisters bio, all her PBS documentaries, like Frontline etc. I was just wondering did the fat one indoctrinate the skinny one or were they raised liberals by birth.

 NOTE JSM doesn't discriminate against liberals. TIA JSM

When I was reading a bio on Andrea, it said she came from a liberal family.

Thanks No Rose, so it's not like she just one day said "I believe all people no matter their crimes are innocent because of their upbringing"? I didn't believe that hillbilly story in the least. She was "blooded" before she even became a "lawyer". JMO JSM

Please mods don't ban JSM for this post, I am not being political, just trying to get into the mindset of someone that would leave a man to rot in prison knowing the real killer was behind bars. TIA JSM

[Fanny Mae]

God has blessed us with with three Lyon sisters, evidently. One is "blooded." Another is clearly a possibility. Unkown about the third but I would be willing to bet next month's rent that she is too. JMO   

Okay here is my stupid question of the evening.

Andrea's dad said she was blooded about the hillbilly dude she defended, right? So to me he is saying that is what turned her into an anti death penalty attorney?  Wasn't he charged with raping his own daughter? What does that have to do with the death penalty? Did JSM read that wrong? TIA JSM

Good question, hopefully someone has the answer to this.

Thanks No Rose. I was reading on the skinny Rachel sisters bio, all her PBS documentaries, like Frontline etc. I was just wondering did the fat one indoctrinate the skinny one or were they raised liberals by birth.

 NOTE JSM doesn't discriminate against liberals. TIA JSM

When I was reading a bio on Andrea, it said she came from a liberal family.

No!!!!!! Really?????? Who'd-a-guessed......

Also that "blooded" statement came from her father about Andrea. Maybe those kind of liberals know something we don't know. I think he may have meant she won a case, like a racecar driver and wanted some more. JMO

I have still been digging down old-memory lane for the lovers's quarrel of Casey and Bozo leaving the house after to protestor confrontation and when Casey remembered how to call 911.   

[Cappuccino]

Also, what was that duces tecum thingy that Trimm posted earlier about Richard Cain. What was that about??? Capp?? Desi?? 

I'm sure Capp can provide the technicalese here, but I will add that I remember this was the very first thing mentioned at the hearing the other day.  Judge Strickland said that the Cain subpoena was being handled separately -- The subpoena filed by Baez, to all the players for their phone records.  Those not opposing (like the A's) were accepting the subpoena by default.  Those whose attorneys showed up (Jesse, Amy, Krunk) were asking for limits to be placed on the scope of the phone records they would be required to produce.  The judge opened by stating that Cain's was being handled separately. 

So was Mr Casey's records talked about in this hearing? TIA JSM

No, JSM because his attorney did not object on his behalf.

Thanks Cappy, so that means that Mr Baez gets the phone records of Mr Casey. ALL of them right? If he gets them so does the SA? Right? TIA JSM

Oh, one more thing I forgot to ask, if the SA gets them then we get them and see who Mr Casey was really talking to while he was playing in the woods with his shovel, right?   

Baez will get all of their records, however, Kronk, Amy & Jesse have succeeded in limiting the scope of materiality to the case & the time frame Bozo can fish thru & just how much is yet to be determined...Bozo has until Thursday to make arrangements & agreements with the parties & then  Judge "Stan the man" Strickland will rule.  Those that did not object Bozo has a broader scope he can fish around in.   Besides having nothing to be concerned about, I'm a tad surprised that Tony Lazarro & Ricardo Morales did not thru an attorney object to the release of all their communications.

When the phone records are turned over to the State via filing with the court, technically we should be able to see them upon release.   We should at some point get to see the defense team's reciprocal discovery (obtained by them), they are just not going to release any or all of it until they absolutely have to.

[Desdemona]

Out of left field here.

Did you all see the recent story about the two 11-year-old girls who died from carbon monoxide poisoning, when a vehicle was left running in the closed garage (they were in the house) for a long time?  Very sad story. 
http://mobile.orlandosentinel.com/inf/infomo?view=breaking_news_item&feed:a=sentinel_1min&feed:c=breakingnews&feed:i=47228542

Well, it made me think.  If a child were bound and gagged by duct tape and placed into the closed trunk of a car, and the exhaust pipe were to be blocked... and the car left running... (until it runs out of gas, maybe?  I dunno..) the child would die pretty quickly.  If the poor child's remains were bagged and dumped outdoors and not recovered until months later, skeletonized, would the bones reveal any traces of the carbon monoxide as the cause of death?  Just thinking.

Oh Lord, you're making me think.....It certainly could be a possibility and I don't think it would be detected at that point. I just wonder if we will ever know how Caylee really died. I do think there might be evidence on the duct tape that she tried to push the tape off her mouth with her tongue.....Ugh! I am making my own self ill.   

It's possible, and that would be an aggravated assault upon a minor (bound & gagged or not) which if death occurs qualifies for felony murder (murder one).   Six months later, I doubt evidence by only skeletonized bones would reveal carbon monoxide poisoning - Ill search tomorrow to see if I can find something more solid out on that.   I just don't think that was how Casey killed Caylee, I doubt Casey would put her in the trunk bound/gagged and not drugged and/or chloroformed first, again an aggravated assault upon a minor.   I'm hoping the FBI is holding on to some very strong evidence from her hair cut from the duct tape (sigh), the duct tape itself, the heart sticker found on the ground near the remains, the bagging....well you get the idea.  Technically, if they still have it and they have not written their final reports, the State cannot be blamed for not disclosing it yet (previously discussed in court several times to Bozo).  The State or the court cannot order the FBI or federal body.

I did a little desultory searching, but am starting to feel crummy again so I need to put down the keyboard!  I think you might be right, Capp, about skeletonized bones.  All the references I found to forensic evidence showing carbon monoxide poisoning was related to cases with non-decomposed bodies.  Evidence in soft tissues and bone marrow.

JSM has a good point about hair, which you also alluded to.  All I found on that was a few references to carbon monoxide evidence in the hair of non-decomposed bodies which was an indication of smoke from a fire.  If you find anything, please post it.  The admittedly far-fetched scenario prompted by that news story I read is making me sad.  I keep thinking about Casey's stories about her car running out of gas.

I don't know whether there would be any evidence of high carbon monoxide levels in the car or the trunk itself... possibly not.  Doesn't it dissipate rather quickly?

And yes, if someone were to kill a child in that manner, they probably WOULD drug/chloroform the child first, as you describe.  How terrible to imagine.  Sorry for the disturbing topic.  It just got me thinking.