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« on: May 29, 2009, 02:45:36 PM »

Not sure where to put this or what to call it. It has been discussed to start some kind of group to advocate against child preditors and child porn. I wanted to start this topic so we can set the ground work. No one be fooled, this is going to take a lot of time and commitment. We will be up against criminals who do not want us to succeed. they will try to tear us down, possibly intimidate us, but we have to stand strong and stand united. 

My first suggestion would be to set what our goals are. What do we, as a group wish to accomplish? Awareness, education, changing of laws, all 3? I would tend to think you need awareness and education to get the governement to pay attentiont you.

So lets start with goals.


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1. perminate change to the amber alert
2. awareness for what exactly is child porn  and pedophilia and why it is dangerous to us
3. strick laws for those convicted of said crimes
4. RSO list to include what the crime was they committed
5. RSO list to change (not sure how to word it) to use common sense when people are placed on it. i.e. A 17 year old should not be on it for life for being in a relationship with a 15 year old.
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« Reply #1 on: May 29, 2009, 03:13:02 PM »

It is my honor to be one of the first to post to this!  This is the right approach.

Tracygirl, I agree with your goals.  Before I put my thoughts out there, I want to see if I can get the ear of our AG.  He can give me some very good pointers on where we should focus our efforts as a broad-based community group.  When it comes changes in the law, let there be no doubt about it--we are going to face an uphill battle.  So here's what I plan to do in the immediate future.  First, I recently completed a large project I was working on and can now turn my attention to preparing that letter I've been talking about for 2 months now.  That can be a PART of this, but should be TIMED with it.  I'd like everyone's thoughts on what that timing should be.  I think we should wait to send something until we are organized.

Second, do we want to formally organize?  I vote yes.  That way we can communicate using methods other than publicly in a public forum.  We can all set up group gmail accounts or something like that.

Third, and talking about formally organizing, do we want to incorporate?  I think we should.  That's how Missing Kids and all the others started, and look what they are today.  Of course, that will take away some anonymity, so you'll have to take that into consideration when responding.

Fourth, we should begin conducting hard research on the topics we plan to address.  If we are going to get anyone's attention, we need to be educated on these topics so we can be viewed as PROACTIVE and not REACTIVE.  We need to be armed with statistics, case studies, successes and failures, etc.  We need to avoid being labeled as another group upset because of this case or that case.  Those groups peter out and are probably looked upon as being temporary groups thrown together by emotion.

Fifth, we need a method to share information.  I've never set up a secure website before that requires a password to access.  But we should think about having something like that.

Finally, we should begin thinking of ways to raise capital, because we will need it.  If we incorporate and obtain charitable status, we can fundraise.  I can take care of the logistics of incorporation, I just need to know from you guys whether you want to be part of that.  And I don't know what the tax or employee implications are--I'll need to contact some of my transactional friends as I'm a trial lawyer, not a transactional lawyer.

Ok, that's plenty of food for thought, I think.  Let's have your feedback. . .
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« Reply #2 on: May 29, 2009, 03:13:39 PM »

all good Tracy...I will visit a site that I know of that have been dedicated to finding missing children.....maybe the admin of those sites will have some ideas...
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« Reply #3 on: May 29, 2009, 03:21:50 PM »

I am in.

I can set up a private password protected forum for us.
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« Reply #4 on: May 29, 2009, 03:26:10 PM »

Or we can also start a private facebook group.
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« Reply #5 on: May 29, 2009, 03:26:51 PM »

either/or I meant
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« Reply #6 on: May 29, 2009, 03:29:25 PM »

Tracy...if you go to the site...Forever Searching..you might get some good core ideas of how to get us started....wonderful site....
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« Reply #7 on: May 29, 2009, 03:30:28 PM »

either/or I meant

I am not too good on the facebook thing...maybe a protected site? but I will go with the flow so do what ever the majority wants..xxx
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« Reply #8 on: May 29, 2009, 03:59:21 PM »

LOL facebook is my enemy! Honestly, could they make that site anymore user unfriendly! Have you ever heard of Delphiforums.com ? you can build a group pretty easily and set it to private. I am not sure if there is a cost associated with it, there was not at one time. 
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« Reply #9 on: May 29, 2009, 04:30:58 PM »

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« Reply #10 on: May 29, 2009, 07:41:51 PM »

I am onbaord, too! 

I think one of the things that needs to be done is a separate alert, separate from the Amber Alert, and the separate alert needs to be issued at the time of the 911 call regarding any missing child.  The Amber Alert can be added if it is deemed necessary.

In my area, we have the Missing Child Alert.  It does work.  It is issued while the police are on the way to the place where the child was reported missing!  It does not wait to find out who maybe took the child, who LE thinks is responsible, it immediately gives a reverse 911 to the community where the child was reported missing.  It can be to the home phone numbers as well as any cell phones numbers in the area, and IT DOES WORK.  Everyone in the community needs to register their cell phones with the local LE, but it does work.  Everyone needs to register not only in their home neighborhoods, but also the neighborhood where they work. 

This is one of the things that I was angry about when Ron Cummings hung up the phone on the 911 operator when she was trying to get information about a description for Haleigh.  Let's face it, a lot of LE cars were on the way to the home, and maybe one of them could have spotted Haleigh on their way to Ron's home! 

I also think it should be considered a criminal act if the parent hangs up on 911 before giving the information on the missing child! 

I am onboard with everyone on this thread.  Just let me know what to do from here.

As for the RSO list, Maryland does list the type of offense, whether it is a child sex offender or a sex offender that used a weapon, or no weapon involved.  It is very detailed.  Each county also lists ALL sex offenders that have failed to report moving from any residence in Maryland, in other words, if someone from a county that is 100 miles away and they failed to keep a current residence on file, they are listed in all 23 counties and Baltimore City sex offenders lists!  So, they are listed 24 times!  That is something that needs to be done as well.

I am going to check to make sure that these things are still being done, since it has been awhile that I have checked the listings and I will get back to you.

But, like I said, I am onboard with everyone here.  Just let me know what I can do.

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« Reply #11 on: May 29, 2009, 07:57:51 PM »

Great idea's! Isn't it so strange how each state does things differently? We should take the things that have worked in each state and make one policy.
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« Reply #12 on: May 29, 2009, 10:11:22 PM »

I still think that Michelle Obama could be a valuable asset and friend  to us and our cause..
that would be a good person to contact... as soon as we get organized...we could write one letter and then we could have everyone on SM sign the letter...that would be a start...asking her for help in our plight...she is a woman and a mother...powerful....and what about Marc K. and Mark L.??

then after organization, we need to email our "letter" or "petition", whatever we decide to do to every person on our contact list and they send it on to their contact list and on and on....it will snowball...we all have contacts in other states,,,,it can grow and grow...
we can do this...
we need Dolce on board here also...she is good at organizing....and the rest of the bunch...too numerous to mention....
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« Reply #13 on: May 30, 2009, 05:40:07 AM »

I also think that some things should be mandatory such as:  checking the SO list for anyone in a position to be with children, i.e., baseball and softball coaches, boy scout leaders, girl scout leaders, basketball coaches, and the record of that search as a mandatory item in the listing of rules and regulations for the various groups (little leagues, scouting, etc.).  Yes, one might consider it a violation of the constitution, but my child/grandchild has the right to know who is their coach and the background of that coach!  I think also that every person applying for a position that involves being around children should be checked on every SO list.  There needs to be a SO list that is nationwide that can be checked for this so that if someone files to a job in say Florida, the SO lists from all 50 states has been checked prior to this person getting the job, and not just the SO list in the state they are going to be working.

I think it should also be mandatory for a company that hires a SO to "warn" their clients regarding the status of any employee on the SO list (this should include repairmen, installation services of cable, any and all companies that sends their employees to a clients home).

Yes, that would mean that 18 year old who had sex with his 17 year old girlfriend and was charges and is now on the SO list would have to go through the same process but we cannot leave out one group in this list.  That part is sad, but then again, they are on the SO list.

We also need a local listing of all missing children.  It seems that too often the missing child becomes old news and is often forgotten.  There needs to be a listing of all missing children cases that have not been solves in the local area, and that list needs to be prominent on, say, the local police web site.

We need to petition local news stations and their web sites to have a section of their broadcast and web site devoted to missing children in their areas and have that updates constantly.  It could present two or three children every day, and hopefully more leads would come in.  If the 6 PM news cast would devote even 30 seconds every day to the missing children in the area, what a big help that would be.  Even cases that are 30 years old need to be brought to the surface every now and then.  It doesn't have to be just children either, all missing people listed.  Thirty seconds is not a lot of time to devote to this, and two or three lines on a web site certainly is not a waste of space.  I can think of other things that could be removed from the web site if it is a matter of space.  Even if there is a large advertisement to go along with the missing persons list on the web space is better than no list at all.  Local companies would probable be willing to share the cost by advertising their company.  And, I am sure that there are a lot of Monkeys that would volunteer their time to keep the lists active and rotated, I know I would.

Okay, enough for now.  Get me started on something like this and I just never seem to end with what needs to be done.  I just don't know where to get started and I know that there is power in numbers, so, yes, we all need to work on this.

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« Reply #14 on: May 30, 2009, 11:01:15 AM »

Wow, I just found another avenue to recruit more for this cause.  I just read about the man from Florida  that raped a 7 year old girl, and he traveled to Iowa, parked his car at his mom's house, then walked two miles to an intersection and killed himself!  The response to the article was unbelievable.  Most everyone on that forum said they are tired of "these type of people" and something needs to be done!  That would be the perfect place to put a link to this web page.  Would that be okay to do now though?

Please let me know what you think about that.  I would be more than willing to go through the news outlets on the web to read those articles and post a link to here, but I think I need some sort of permission to do that, right?  I am so not sure of anything right now, other than we need to get this done.

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« Reply #15 on: May 30, 2009, 11:09:11 AM »

I know a good user friendly site. That has password protected boards. Users even get photo storage. Once we are ready, I would be happy to set one up.

There is a annual fee for the board (it removes advertising too, nice bonus) but I will gladly pay it.
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« Reply #16 on: May 30, 2009, 11:11:17 AM »

PS. The board would be similar to this one. Including the same image codes, etc... so not much learning curve. Which is also a good bonus!
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« Reply #17 on: May 30, 2009, 11:16:00 AM »

Okay, we also need to "appoint" the leaders on this one so we have a "go to" person, and I already know I am not one of those people.  I am great at taking orders and getting things done, I am not so great at figuring out just how to go about it and what needs to be done first!  So, if someone could volunteer, that would be wonderful.  I think we already have a Monkey that will get the forum set up, who is in charge here?  Let me know, I have lots of ideas, just need someone to put them in order to get me started.

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« Reply #18 on: May 30, 2009, 11:58:38 AM »

great ideas everyone! I am not a leader either...am able to do and follow orders etc...but not good at delegating etc...but will do what I can...
Pink...thanks for offering the user friendly board...We could all pitch in on the cost...couldn't be that much right? that will be great!
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« Reply #19 on: May 30, 2009, 01:45:06 PM »

I like common sense thinking Tracy. You look like you are on the right track to me.
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