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« Reply #20 on: June 03, 2009, 11:06:02 PM »

also he is suppose to be at the clarkston/lewiston church and he is on no records there either.  and just because his brother is on miliatry records with the lawless name, does not mean he is a lawless at all.  I have seen people on military records under names that are different than there birth records.  same with SS# records, back then they can be wrong.  You could sign up for ss card under a name not yours, and you could put whatever name when joining the military.  I have seen it happen.  maybe he was born under another name?  maybe george lawless and jessie dicus was not his real parents? 
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« Reply #21 on: June 03, 2009, 11:23:52 PM »

now connie's brother said he has known cll since the 1950's.  was that after cll got out of school? if cll is born in 1931 then he should be out of school by 1950.  so did he change his name after he got out of school? 

another thing that seemed weird to me is.  connie is 10 years younger than cll.  IF they did get married in 1960, she is 18 in july 1960 almost 19.  he is 29.  if he gets baptized on the day they are married, do the parents approve of her dating a guy the much older who is not part of their church? according to the brother they had known him for 10 years by the time they got married.  he grew up with his step mother who was catholic, so he was not raised in the baptist church, unless his real mother was part of it? And I remember before that brian was born less than 9 months after they were married, so they must have been "dating" before getting married.  Not that I care what they do, I don't, but it would seem this family being as "religious" as they are, would not like this going on.  not that any of this matters but I am just trying to get some kind of idea what these people are like and how CLL got connected up with them?
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« Reply #22 on: June 03, 2009, 11:26:29 PM »

one more thing, CLL was 29 when he is married.  so could he have been married before this under some other name? does he have other children by someone else?
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« Reply #23 on: June 03, 2009, 11:37:22 PM »

This Cheryl Bacon is listed with the CLL church and with Lawless Roofing -- if I recall, as resident agent and/or an officer with both.  Who is this woman?
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« Reply #24 on: June 03, 2009, 11:40:10 PM »

And not to be a pain in the you know what -- Richard Birdette Lawless (uncle of CLL) had a son John who married a ? Shutt and had 4 children and also married Wilma Toots Holt.  Never did figure out John.
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« Reply #25 on: June 03, 2009, 11:52:28 PM »

Name: Jeff A Cammisa
Birth Date: 1960
Address: 962 Mary Jane Av, Patterson, California 95363-0401 (1987)
[300 W Central Av #2206, Tracy, California 95376-1101 (1986)]
[812 W Clover Rd, Tracy, California 95376] 

patterson is just southwest of tracy and modesto. 
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« Reply #26 on: June 03, 2009, 11:59:59 PM »

It appears CL is the reason for a lot of the big questions.

List of unanswered questions:
1. birth record
2. milatary record
3. why and how would he be friends with a boy 10 years younger (that was mine, lol)
4. two places at the same time (washington being baptised and california getting married)
5. minister after 4 months of studying
6. people associated with him. (connie, his mom, his dad)

Please add to this list if I missed anything. I think if we answer these questions we will be able to link things. That time line really says a lot. It is like they made up this history. If there is no milatary record, maybe he was somewhere else? did anyone defect during the korean war? Where would they go? Canada? Where is his brother? Maybe he is his brother and assumed the name Clifford? How old was his brother? Has a side by side comparison of CL and his brother been done?
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« Reply #27 on: June 04, 2009, 12:00:45 AM »

I don't know who this is but they are in tracy and they are born in alameda

Name: Vincent J Cammisa
Birth Date: Nov 1956
Address: 2765 Colony Dr, Tracy, California 95376-0601 (1993)
[2767 Colony Dr, Tracy, California 95376-0801 (1992)]
[812 Clover Rd #54, Tracy, California 95376] 


Name: Vincent J Cammisa
Birth Date: Jan 1957
Address: 2765 Colony Dr, Tracy, California 95376-0401 (1987)
[812 Clover #54, Tracy, California 95376-0801 (1985)]
[7459 Burnham WY, Dublin, California 94568] 


Name: Vincent J Cammisa
Birth Date: 22 Nov 1956
Gender: Male 
Mother's Maiden Name: Smith 
Birth County: Alameda 
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« Reply #28 on: June 04, 2009, 12:05:44 AM »

Nevada Marriage Index, 1956-2005
about Vincent Cammisa
Name: Vincent Cammisa
Gender: Male 
Residence state: California 
Spouse: Susan Ellen Wolter
Spouse residence state: California 
Marriage Date: 6 Aug 1978
Marriage city: Reno 
Officiant type: Civil celebrant 
Recorded date: 15 Aug 1978
Recorded city: Reno 
Book: 668 
Page: -295 
 
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Nevada Marriage Index, 1956-2005
about Vincent James Cammisa
Name: Vincent James Cammisa
Gender: Male 
Residence state: California 
Spouse: Patricia Gressmann
Spouse residence state: California 
Marriage Date: 6 Mar 2003
Marriage County: Clark 
Officiant type: Religious celebrant 
Recorded date: 21 Mar 2003
Recorded county: Clark 
Book: 321 
Page: D534379 
Instrument number: 76595 
 
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« Reply #29 on: June 04, 2009, 12:06:08 AM »

Name: Roberta L Cammisa
Birth Date: Jan 1957
Address: 2765 Colony Dr, Tracy, California 95376-0501 (1993)
[2767 Colony Dr, Tracy, California 95376-0801 (1992)]
[812 Clover #54, Tracy, California 95376] 
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« Reply #30 on: June 04, 2009, 12:14:28 AM »

who the heck are all these cammisa people listed with cll at the trailer park?

Name: S Cammisa
Birth Date: 1960
Address: 962 Mary Jane Av, Patterson, California 95363-0601 (1987)
[300 W Central Av #2206, Tracy, California 95376-1101 (1986)]
[812 W Clover Rd #12, Tracy, California 95376] 


Name: Sherly A Cammisa
Birth Date: Jun 1962
Address: 300 W Central Av, Tracy, California 95376-1101 (1986)
[812 W Clover Rd, Tracy, California 95376-0901 (1984)]
[6819 Ash CT, Dublin, California 94568] 


(209) 830-6036


(209) 830-6036
  MODESTO, CA
TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

CAMMISA, VINCENT J
CAMMISA, ROBERTA L (Age 52)
CAMMISA, JESSICA R
CAMMISA, PATRICIA
 

TRACY, CA
MODESTO, CA

Possible Relatives:

CAMMISA, VINCENT J
CAMMISA, ROBERTA L (Age 52)
CAMMISA, ROBERTA (Age 25)
CAMMISA, JESSICA R
CAMMISA, PATRICIA 

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« Reply #31 on: June 04, 2009, 12:18:02 AM »

1930 United States Federal Census
about J H Cammisa
Name: J H Cammisa
Home in 1930: Spokane, Spokane, Washington
Age: 60
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1870 
Birthplace: Canada 
Relation to Head-of-house: Head 
Spouse's name: Elizabeth
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

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Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace: View Image
Neighbors: View others on page 
Household Members: Name Age
J H Cammisa 60 
Elizabeth Cammisa 61 
 
 
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who the heck are all these cammisa people listed with cll at the trailer park?

Name: S Cammisa
Birth Date: 1960
Address: 962 Mary Jane Av, Patterson, California 95363-0601 (1987)
[300 W Central Av #2206, Tracy, California 95376-1101 (1986)]
[812 W Clover Rd #12, Tracy, California 95376] 


Name: Sherly A Cammisa
Birth Date: Jun 1962
Address: 300 W Central Av, Tracy, California 95376-1101 (1986)
[812 W Clover Rd, Tracy, California 95376-0901 (1984)]
[6819 Ash CT, Dublin, California 94568] 


(209) 830-6036


(209) 830-6036
  MODESTO, CA
TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

CAMMISA, VINCENT J
CAMMISA, ROBERTA L (Age 52)
CAMMISA, JESSICA R
CAMMISA, PATRICIA
 

TRACY, CA
MODESTO, CA

Possible Relatives:

CAMMISA, VINCENT J
CAMMISA, ROBERTA L (Age 52)
CAMMISA, ROBERTA (Age 25)
CAMMISA, JESSICA R
CAMMISA, PATRICIA 



DD is the addresses without the year next to it the most recent address associated with that person?
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« Reply #33 on: June 04, 2009, 12:48:01 AM »

OK, you may all call me crazy.  DD, your post here #7 was the birth certi. of a Connie Lane Lawless.  You don't suppose Clifford is this Connie do you?  Remember that old song about a boy called Sue? (yeah, a Johnny Cash fan).  Just a thought, I know, I hit my head really hard.
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« Reply #34 on: June 04, 2009, 01:06:01 AM »

OK, you may all call me crazy.  DD, your post here #7 was the birth certi. of a Connie Lane Lawless.  You don't suppose Clifford is this Connie do you?  Remember that old song about a boy called Sue? (yeah, a Johnny Cash fan).  Just a thought, I know, I hit my head really hard.
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Please see the oregon post. Could CL be a missing child in the lawless oregon line of Lawless roofing?

Sister I had thought that too at one time!
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« Reply #35 on: June 04, 2009, 02:13:32 PM »

who the heck are all these cammisa people listed with cll at the trailer park?

Name: S Cammisa
Birth Date: 1960
Address: 962 Mary Jane Av, Patterson, California 95363-0601 (1987)
[300 W Central Av #2206, Tracy, California 95376-1101 (1986)]
[812 W Clover Rd #12, Tracy, California 95376] 


Name: Sherly A Cammisa
Birth Date: Jun 1962
Address: 300 W Central Av, Tracy, California 95376-1101 (1986)
[812 W Clover Rd, Tracy, California 95376-0901 (1984)]
[6819 Ash CT, Dublin, California 94568] 


(209) 830-6036


(209) 830-6036
  MODESTO, CA
TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

CAMMISA, VINCENT J
CAMMISA, ROBERTA L (Age 52)
CAMMISA, JESSICA R
CAMMISA, PATRICIA
 

TRACY, CA
MODESTO, CA

Possible Relatives:

CAMMISA, VINCENT J
CAMMISA, ROBERTA L (Age 52)
CAMMISA, ROBERTA (Age 25)
CAMMISA, JESSICA R
CAMMISA, PATRICIA 



DD is the addresses without the year next to it the most recent address associated with that person?

it is very hard to say which addresses are the most recent or if the dates on these things are correct.  Most of these databases have incorrect info at times, especially with dates the people are living at the addresses.  sometimes they also will put the age of one persoon in the household  as being the age of someoe else in the household.  this happens a lot so you really have to use these things as a GUIDE and make sure you compare them with other records
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« Reply #36 on: June 04, 2009, 02:17:35 PM »

OK, you may all call me crazy.  DD, your post here #7 was the birth certi. of a Connie Lane Lawless.  You don't suppose Clifford is this Connie do you?  Remember that old song about a boy called Sue? (yeah, a Johnny Cash fan).  Just a thought, I know, I hit my head really hard.
Good night all.

LOL, anything is possible, anything is.  but like I just stated about the dates used as to when people live at a specific address, that they can be off, so can all the names.  say connie and "lane" signed up for their utilities at a certain house, it might end up on some paper as connie lane instead of connie AND lane, so then it goes into the database as connie lane lawless.  or if the run the initials into the name such as if he used C lane lawless instead of clifford lane lawless, and someone writes the C close to the world lane, you end up with clane lawless.  so again, these databases are really good to use as a guide as to who to look for where with whom, but they are not "gospel", you have to then go search for the actually documents, which those can be inccorect also.  but it is the best we have to go by.
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« Reply #37 on: June 04, 2009, 02:43:12 PM »

oh you mean cheryl bacon or beacon or whatever her name is?  I wondered that also LOL
I had looked up a lot of camissa etc info in the beginning, I'm not sure if I posted it or not.  If so it should be on the LONG thread somewhere LOL.  Maybe I can find something.  but what gets me is no records for clifford lane lawless.  just people call him that or he is at addresses with that name, but NO DOCUMENTS.  weird

This is kind of out of the blue...
But do you suppose he could have an ties with the Freemasons or IOOF (like the cemetery across the street from 501 Lawless lane)?
My grandfather was a Mason and I can find very, very little info about him and I can't figure out WHY!  It reminds me of the dead ends we find here with CLL constantly.
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« Reply #38 on: June 04, 2009, 04:31:16 PM »

oh you mean cheryl bacon or beacon or whatever her name is?  I wondered that also LOL
I had looked up a lot of camissa etc info in the beginning, I'm not sure if I posted it or not.  If so it should be on the LONG thread somewhere LOL.  Maybe I can find something.  but what gets me is no records for clifford lane lawless.  just people call him that or he is at addresses with that name, but NO DOCUMENTS.  weird

This is kind of out of the blue...
But do you suppose he could have an ties with the Freemasons or IOOF (like the cemetery across the street from 501 Lawless lane)?
My grandfather was a Mason and I can find very, very little info about him and I can't figure out WHY!  It reminds me of the dead ends we find here with CLL constantly.

its possible, but... remember he does not talk to anyone, not other churches, etc, this is a very cliqueish(spelling) bunch of weirdos really LOL.  I doubt his church would approve at all if he were a mason.  at the least I would doubt they want that known.  they think other churches should be avoided so it would seem they would also think the masons should be avoided.  but that does not mean he does things they do not know about or that they all do but keep it hidden.  it happens all the time. 
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« Reply #39 on: June 04, 2009, 05:16:43 PM »

was there a Cheryl A. Gomes? or did I dream it?
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