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« Reply #780 on: November 14, 2006, 01:14:59 AM »

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VMS - who is Andry Lopez?  I may have missed it, TIA. Looks to be Lorenzo's age and Maxito's age.


Give me a sec, klaas. Let me get all the links that led me to that conclusion.
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« Reply #781 on: November 14, 2006, 01:15:02 AM »

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VMS - who is Andry Lopez?  I may have missed it, TIA. Looks to be Lorenzo's age and Maxito's age.


That is Peeps.
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« Reply #782 on: November 14, 2006, 01:15:07 AM »

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Maxito is one of my best friends. We go everywhere together. This rumor also spread on the street. Frankly we were pretty scared about this false accusation. Long story short, the detectives already know about this and have straightened out this false rumor. He doesn't know this guy Lorenzo. Locoman came once with his mom to the shop to get some quotations for parts for his Quad racer. that's it. We don't know locoman nor his following. Also we don't want to know anything about him. We stick to our motto "minding our own business."


Does anyone else remember the news flash about the "quad racer" that Tito made one night? They were looking for it or something like that?

I know ALE searched I Guido's home and took a quad racer.


I took Locoman to be Freddie in that post. Do you think he is possibly refering to Guido instead?

No, I took it to be Freddy as well.  Just mentioning the other quad racer reference.
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« Reply #783 on: November 14, 2006, 01:15:32 AM »

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Maxito is one of my best friends. We go everywhere together. This rumor also spread on the street. Frankly we were pretty scared about this false accusation. Long story short, the detectives already know about this and have straightened out this false rumor. He doesn't know this guy Lorenzo. Locoman came once with his mom to the shop to get some quotations for parts for his Quad racer. that's it. We don't know locoman nor his following. Also we don't want to know anything about him. We stick to our motto "minding our own business."


Does anyone else remember the news flash about the "quad racer" that Tito made one night? They were looking for it or something like that?

I know ALE searched I Guido's home and took a quad racer.


I took Locoman to be Freddie in that post. Do you think he is possibly refering to Guido instead?


Never know, but I imagine several folks on the island have quad racers.
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« Reply #784 on: November 14, 2006, 01:15:41 AM »

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VMS - who is Andry Lopez?  I may have missed it, TIA. Looks to be Lorenzo's age and Maxito's age.


That is Peeps.

Thank you Lala's.  Need to dry my hair now, brb.
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« Reply #785 on: November 14, 2006, 01:16:44 AM »

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Maxito is one of my best friends. We go everywhere together. This rumor also spread on the street. Frankly we were pretty scared about this false accusation. Long story short, the detectives already know about this and have straightened out this false rumor. He doesn't know this guy Lorenzo. Locoman came once with his mom to the shop to get some quotations for parts for his Quad racer. that's it. We don't know locoman nor his following. Also we don't want to know anything about him. We stick to our motto "minding our own business."


Does anyone else remember the news flash about the "quad racer" that Tito made one night? They were looking for it or something like that?

I know ALE searched I Guido's home and took a quad racer.


I took Locoman to be Freddie in that post. Do you think he is possibly refering to Guido instead?



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« Reply #786 on: November 14, 2006, 01:18:10 AM »

I notice the Lopez dude lists as his interests:    Go fast on wheels or wings or water,  

Guess that's appropriate for a gu who works in a speed shop.
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« Reply #787 on: November 14, 2006, 01:18:37 AM »

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I see you...I really do.
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« Reply #788 on: November 14, 2006, 01:19:04 AM »

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VMS - who is Andry Lopez?  I may have missed it, TIA. Looks to be Lorenzo's age and Maxito's age.


Did anyone notice that Gerald is his "friend" at tickle? The one with the white dodge truck that was discussed at length.

Hey you guys!
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« Reply #789 on: November 14, 2006, 01:19:07 AM »

Hi Anna I read you loud and clear.
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« Reply #790 on: November 14, 2006, 01:19:49 AM »

Dutchlady --

"...(a recall of what DutchLady had said in the past, and Sandy Leiva, our Aruban language translator)..."

She told us all the path to truth so long ago now...she knew the ways of Paulus and the rest of the deviants.

Beyond evangelicism, is Catholicism.  And all of the mid-ranges held thereto.  A reprise for those who have forgotten:

A profusely sweating husband who is used to hearing deviant behaviour charges and has knowledge of criminology and behaviours as one would expect of a judge in training is showing on camera extreme unease. The veins stand out on his forehead, he evades the cameras lens, and takes the opportunity to escape to the phone. On coming back the sweat running down his face is gone, he is composed again. He is not in his wifes emotional circle as he was responsible for his son, when his son went out to take this girl. a persons daughter, in the middle of the night. His whole attitude from the start has been wrong in what he should have done listening the remarks from Natalees husband and his statements. Now that the island sees this the emotional card come in. It is too little to late.

Joran and his friends I believe would take the easiest route as do not like to get themselves dirty on public beaches, there is no evidence they do this. I suggest that the rage pattern is abandonment rage, and remember his mother was away in Holland. If Joran took someone home to his flat and no one was there, the dogs, and cars would not be noticed. The excuse of the computer and call I put forward as to be is a red herrring, for he was there already I would say as the easiest thing that could be done at this time of the night. This is a lad that eats at fast food outlets, not gourmet restaurants and frequents casino's with someone elses money. Does he work???

Therefore in my research of predator disposal patterns I have found whether a living person is held hostage, or killed, it depends on the mind of the highest in the pack, and at present I do not have a fixed point of the main decision maker. That is why I feel more arrests have to come. This is way to specialised for a 17 year old in that their is no sign of the girl or her belongings since he took her with him, not the other way round. A more advanced mind and some planning results in hiding evidence and a person, as some dispose in the open, or run away, none of these did this. They blamed a lower socio ecomic workers as escaping so they thought justice. They lied, and lied and lied and implicated others which is an offence. Perverting the course of justice, lying in a police statement, using up public funded resources, etc, etc. The father knows something that is clear from his biological actions shown on camera with his wife, what that is he has divulge to his wife, the police, and his superiors. He is at risk of a stroke if this pressure keeps up, and would worry more of his health than his deviant son and his friends. None of their family of those incarcerated is saying it is a nightmare, or coming forward and one must ask are they silenced in this for some reason???

I also think the Deepak email, at least one is in part genuine, but as the whole message heading is missing it could have been deleted by someone as the names are.  We must not let this be seen emotional blackmail as families as personality disorder specialists know are apt to be in denial because of its financial,social and communitiy implications. Every consulting room sees such denials. Natalee I would be looking for at that house and around the estate that is off limits to the public. Reasonable assumption in all missing persons cases as starting point. Remember Fred West. No one was missing till a rumour started. Remember Jamie Bulger. Remember Amber Swartz, Nicky Campbell, the latter are still causing a cloud over one person even though he is in an elevated position. 'Stalemate'. is very apt.


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« Reply #791 on: November 14, 2006, 01:19:58 AM »

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I can see your posts, but I can't see the second image in your SIG.

Is that just my problem?
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« Reply #792 on: November 14, 2006, 01:20:47 AM »

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Maxito is one of my best friends. We go everywhere together. This rumor also spread on the street. Frankly we were pretty scared about this false accusation. Long story short, the detectives already know about this and have straightened out this false rumor. He doesn't know this guy Lorenzo. Locoman came once with his mom to the shop to get some quotations for parts for his Quad racer. that's it. We don't know locoman nor his following. Also we don't want to know anything about him. We stick to our motto "minding our own business."


Does anyone else remember the news flash about the "quad racer" that Tito made one night? They were looking for it or something like that?

I know ALE searched I Guido's home and took a quad racer.


Yes, and I wasn't implying that it was Lorenzo's just asking if anyone remembered it. Sorry, I wasn't making myself clear.
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« Reply #793 on: November 14, 2006, 01:21:26 AM »

When we asked TITO about the Lorenzo who was taken in for questioning early, he responded Lorenzo Wever and proceeded to describe Guido.  That seemed to be the only Lorenzo Tito knew anything about and he had the wrong first name.

Then later, Guido's quad racer is taken when his house is finally searched?  I am just not so sure we don't have these two people some way combined into one.  Yes, freddie would be locoman as usual.

Also, BTW, as with most of Aruba, Maxito fancies himself a DJ but then don't they all?  He used to have a really kwel website about that, however.

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« Reply #794 on: November 14, 2006, 01:21:41 AM »

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VMS - who is Andry Lopez?  I may have missed it, TIA. Looks to be Lorenzo's age and Maxito's age.


Did anyone notice that Gerald is his "friend" at tickle? The one with the white dodge truck that was discussed at length.

Hey you guys!


That truck? Rolling Eyes I missed that...good work CBB.
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« Reply #795 on: November 14, 2006, 01:22:18 AM »

karen
hey peeps! do you know if locoman is known to hang out at casinos? also, is it true his dad committed suicide a coupla yrs ago?

Peeps
His dad owned the Volkswagen dealership here. He killed himself a couple of years ago, that's correct. The dealership is still there, but I don't know if they still have it or whatnot. locoman has a lot of money, but rumors have it that he's misusing the money. I think he doesn't even has to work for the rest of his life. locoman has 2 houses, and I got to know that he used to throw some heavy parties at his homes. That's how much I know. I have no clue if he frequents the casinos / hotels.

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Peeps, is Lorenzo a different guy than locoman? Up until now, everyone said that Lorenzo was the son of the VW businessman who committed suicide and who has two houses and inherited $$.

Peeps
 I thought Lorenzo = locoman from previous post. Excuse me if I had understood wrong. So basically it's just old news to you guys.

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I thought Lorenzo and locoman were two different people. Lorenzo is someone who we don't have a pic of, although several people think it's the guy with the blonde dredlocks. Locoman is a dark island-looking person? Am I wrong? I'd like to know who is Alexxx the ax guy! And why does he carry around an ax?

Peeps
Ok. Locoman, no clue who he is. Lorenzo, saw him once. He's a tall Dutch looking fellow. You guys know more about him than me I see. You only need a pic of him.

I hear Shango
If Peeps is from aruba, and goes "everywhere" with Maxito...perhaps Peeps will tell us how the party was that night.

Peeps
We don't go to tourist places. As a matter of fact we haven't been to Carlos and Charlies this year even. We are over that type of party stage. You're beginning to sound like the dumb blonde Nancy Disgrace, simma downa.

I hear Shango
 I didn't ask if you went to tourist places..I asked about the party...and before you call me dumb....you should think twice...I have just proven myself smarter than the entire LE....and many others in Aruba.

Peeps
Ok, Another smart comment in there but whatever floats your party boat is fine with me. Dunno what party, like all other questions you've asked me: Not Applicable. Another FYI, the Mansurs are one of the wealthiest families on the island, and also with many business related stories as you will find out sooner or later in your quest. Go fetch.

Peeps
Grasshopper sees the tip of the Iceberg and thinks deeply........"I think that's the whole Iceberg". Ok, enough busting I hear shango's balls. I really don't think the Mansur will connect you to NH case. They have extensive shady practices but I don't foresee any connection. Karen, you see what I mean. I am a native. I know as many other islanders about the M's. Alot of which are not on the web. Now I get an internet worm who just found last week what Aruba is, telling me he/she has everything. We are laughing so hard at this that we are having headaches.

karen
i hear ya, peeps, i get the headaches, too! won't you pleez tell us some lorenzo stories??

rockyroads
oh magic crystal ball - i see some arrests

I hear Shango
Peeps...I see the whole iceberg...better run....unless you are a VERY good swimmer...

Peeps
I hear Shango, My applogies to you for being rude. Sometimes it's needed to get the point across, and it's my favourite tool. No hard feelings.

rockyroads
hey peeps, are you a poker player? at the casinos much? i'm sorry to ask so many questions man i am just happy to talk to someone from the real island

Peeps
Yes I am a poker player. We play at home pretty much. We try to get out of the casinos as much as possible. There are quite a few stories about locals losing tons of money in casinos. From time to time we go casino sight seeing if you will call it and also the $50- $100.000 big Bingos at La Cabana and Renaissance Casino. Any more questions feel free, I will try to answer them. As for the smart a$$ comments, I'll try to give them the stick.
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« Reply #796 on: November 14, 2006, 01:23:54 AM »

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VMS - who is Andry Lopez?  I may have missed it, TIA. Looks to be Lorenzo's age and Maxito's age.


Did anyone notice that Gerald is his "friend" at tickle? The one with the white dodge truck that was discussed at length.

Hey you guys!


He also lists Max as one of his friends....

http://connect.tickle.com/profile/index.html?id=dPqDvFD2-iH_FhDE
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« Reply #797 on: November 14, 2006, 01:25:08 AM »

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Some of the old codetalkers still have the Peeps posts.  One sent to me not that long ago, few months.  Now sure if I kept it or what I might have filed it under but I guess I am the only one who doesn't think the party at LVR involved.

Not sure exactly why but don't think he is the major player in this that many do.  I think he was called in for questioning as the local resident strange person pretty much but don't make much further connection.

I always thought AG posting at MajorWager might be a gambling connection, too.   Cool

But we were told LVR uses a different last name in The Netherlands.  Don't know if that part is true or not for we never know what is true and what isn't.  Do we even know he was called in for questioning for a fact?  Remember when we tried to ask that irrefutable source TITO, he gave us the fictional character Lorenzo Wever.

Since that was finally cleared up, I have wondered if it was really Guido Wever called in early or Lorenzo.  Too much double talk out of Aruba.

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Who knows..it could be.
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« Reply #798 on: November 14, 2006, 01:26:29 AM »

ohhh...this is getting good.

Hi Anna! I'm still thinking about your Guido/Lorenzo statement.  Wink

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« Reply #799 on: November 14, 2006, 01:28:24 AM »

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Ok. Locoman, no clue who he is. Lorenzo, saw him once. He's a tall Dutch looking fellow. You guys know more about him than me I see. You only need a pic of him.


And once again...this guys goes everywhere with Max and Max is Lorenzo's alibi...and Peeps doesn't know him...but he goes everywhere with Max... Rolling Eyes
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