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« Reply #840 on: November 14, 2006, 01:54:32 AM »

GOODNIGHT ALL - see you tomorrow afternoon!
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« Reply #841 on: November 14, 2006, 01:54:39 AM »

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Does anyone have access to the paragraph in Dave's book where he refers to Lorenzo?

I do. Whaddaya want?
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« Reply #842 on: November 14, 2006, 01:56:32 AM »

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It is good to see you, wish you'd come by more often. You know Lala's and I met this fall and her hugs in person are the best  Wink


Hiya None,

I believe you, I can tell by Lala's avatar  Wink

Sharon, TerryD and I might have to meet up sometime.  I see that Sharon and I were at the same festival on Riverwalk a week ago, and that I was less than a mile from where Terry was bike riding on Saturday....
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well that would definitely be a fun group for sure, you should all meet and do something really fun - plus I want to know if Terry looks like a squirrel in person  Laughing
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« Reply #843 on: November 14, 2006, 01:57:07 AM »

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GOODNIGHT ALL - see you tomorrow afternoon!


Hugs and rest well our fearless leader Klaas !
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« Reply #844 on: November 14, 2006, 01:57:23 AM »

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Does anyone have access to the paragraph in Dave's book where he refers to Lorenzo?

I do. Whaddaya want?


What exactly did he say about Lorenzo and his alibi?  Did Dave ask him if he was questioned or what?
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« Reply #845 on: November 14, 2006, 01:57:42 AM »

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Well, let's see Guido worked in the casino and was working the night of the crime...so how would Max be an alibi unless, he was with him. Now, how do we connect Max, who has Peeps with him all the time, to Guido the croupier?  Too bad we can't ask Peeps if he knows Guido.  If Max provided the alibi, then Guido and Max must have been together at some time during that time.


I think your Max's and Lorenzo's getting a bit mixed.

Peeps said the speedshop Max know Lorenzo VR.

Peeps said he had only seen Lorenzo VR and he was a tall Dutch guy.

Peeps and speedshop Max have no mention of Guido.

Peeps mentions Lorenzo VR coming to shop for quad racer info.

Peeps confuses the SM use of 'locoman' to be Lorenzo VR and gets corrected.
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« Reply #846 on: November 14, 2006, 01:59:59 AM »

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Does anyone have access to the paragraph in Dave's book where he refers to Lorenzo?

I do. Whaddaya want?


What exactly did he say about Lorenzo and his alibi?  Did Dave ask him if he was questioned or what?

Hold on. There is a bit more than a paragraph. I will try and summarize.
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« Reply #847 on: November 14, 2006, 02:01:12 AM »

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yep and I just took my lazy self to the toolbar and was able to save this image as a .jpg........go figure ! I'll email it to you too, ok?


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« Reply #848 on: November 14, 2006, 02:01:54 AM »

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Well, let's see Guido worked in the casino and was working the night of the crime...so how would Max be an alibi unless, he was with him. Now, how do we connect Max, who has Peeps with him all the time, to Guido the croupier?  Too bad we can't ask Peeps if he knows Guido.  If Max provided the alibi, then Guido and Max must have been together at some time during that time.


Lalas,
Had to sign back in and everything but did not want you to waste your time on this.  No, not saying the above at all, I just don't think LVR was much of a factor early.  I think the one with the party alibi was FREDDIE instead of LVR.  I don't think there was any party or alibi other than the ones provided for Freddie.  

Like LVR being the boy from "earlier in the week" (not unless he was in Alabama!) I think we are getting bits and pieces only and not anything concrete enough to use as a fact.  It is ALL totally scrambled in my most humble opinion.  So I don't think LVR was given the alibi of hosting a party, etc, because it never came up but that was asked about Freddie.

I see it as one situation being applied to the wrong person very often since we really don't have any list of who was questioned, etc.  We were hearing just a little from this one and a little from another one when they could have been talking about the same suspect or witness, not always a different one.

Can't really explain but hope you can make some sense out of what I am trying to say.

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« Reply #849 on: November 14, 2006, 02:03:55 AM »

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« Reply #850 on: November 14, 2006, 02:04:10 AM »

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Well, let's see Guido worked in the casino and was working the night of the crime...so how would Max be an alibi unless, he was with him. Now, how do we connect Max, who has Peeps with him all the time, to Guido the croupier?  Too bad we can't ask Peeps if he knows Guido.  If Max provided the alibi, then Guido and Max must have been together at some time during that time.


I think your Max's and Lorenzo's getting a bit mixed.

Peeps said the speedshop Max know Lorenzo VR.

Peeps said he had only seen Lorenzo VR and he was a tall Dutch guy.

Peeps and speedshop Max have no mention of Guido.

Peeps mentions Lorenzo VR coming to shop for quad racer info.

Peeps confuses the SM use of 'locoman' to be Lorenzo VR and gets corrected.


Actually I don't.  I am thinking along the same lines you are.  That Max and Peeps really do know Lorenzo and that Max provided the alibi.  Anna was the one that made me go in the other direction.  She seemed to think there was confusion as to who Tito was talking about.  So, I thought, well, let's see if Guido could be the one Tito meant and not Lorenzo.  Tito called the suspect Lorenzo Wever, so I was trying to make it fit...so far I can't.
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« Reply #851 on: November 14, 2006, 02:05:59 AM »

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I see your point...I am getting really confused here..I thought Freddy was spending the night at Joran's.  See why we need to figure this out. Maybe someone will sort it all out tomorrow.
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« Reply #852 on: November 14, 2006, 02:07:27 AM »

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Well, let's see Guido worked in the casino and was working the night of the crime...so how would Max be an alibi unless, he was with him. Now, how do we connect Max, who has Peeps with him all the time, to Guido the croupier?  Too bad we can't ask Peeps if he knows Guido.  If Max provided the alibi, then Guido and Max must have been together at some time during that time.


I think your Max's and Lorenzo's getting a bit mixed.

Peeps said the speedshop Max know Lorenzo VR.

Peeps said he had only seen Lorenzo VR and he was a tall Dutch guy.

Peeps and speedshop Max have no mention of Guido.

Peeps mentions Lorenzo VR coming to shop for quad racer info.

Peeps confuses the SM use of 'locoman' to be Lorenzo VR and gets corrected.


Actually I don't.  I am thinking along the same lines you are.  That Max and Peeps really do know Lorenzo and that Max provided the alibi.  Anna was the one that made me go in the other direction.  She seemed to think there was confusion as to who Tito was talking about.  So, I thought, well, let's see if Guido could be the one Tito meant and not Lorenzo.  Tito called the suspect Lorenzo Wever, so I was trying to make it fit...so far I can't.


And I think Anna just explained it.

Tito's Lorenzo Wever aka Guide Wever and Freddie Locoman had the Alibi for Guido Wever that evening.

Peeps and Speedshop Max had nothing to do with the activities of the night and Anna seems to think and I agree that Lorenzo VR hasn't been shown to have any connection with the evenings activities.
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« Reply #853 on: November 14, 2006, 02:08:39 AM »

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Sharon, TerryD and I might have to meet up sometime.  I see that Sharon and I were at the same festival on Riverwalk a week ago, and that I was less than a mile from where Terry was bike riding on Saturday....
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well that would definitely be a fun group for sure, you should all meet and do something really fun - plus I want to know if Terry looks like a squirrel in person  Laughing


I already have a pic of him from the half-way stop on his bike trip.. Wink

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« Reply #854 on: November 14, 2006, 02:08:45 AM »

We got to this point of confusion trying to associate Simian's  reference to the 5th suspect having an alibi.
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« Reply #855 on: November 14, 2006, 02:09:49 AM »

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We got to this point of confusion trying to associate Simian's  reference to the 5th suspect having an alibi.


See how that shango/simian stuff messes things up.
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« Reply #856 on: November 14, 2006, 02:12:16 AM »

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« Reply #857 on: November 14, 2006, 02:12:35 AM »

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We got to this point of confusion trying to associate Simian's  reference to the 5th suspect having an alibi.


See how that shango/simian stuff messes things up.


Actually, Lorenzo came up before we began talking about Shango tonight. But I refuse to argue the point with you any longer.
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« Reply #858 on: November 14, 2006, 02:12:38 AM »

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I asked Jacobs to print me out another copy of my statement, and Art Wood came walking in. He noticed a computer printout on the wall about Natalee's case. It was a flowchart with all of the suspects and intersted parties on it. He noticed that one person who we thought was a suspect, Lorenzo van Rijn, rumored to be Joran's half brother, was not on it. We had been told that he might have had some connection to Natalee's disappearance. he is supposedly known on the island by the nickname Xtacy. Art asked him where Lorenzo was, and Jacobs said that Lorenzo had nothing to do with Natalee's case, so he doesn't have to be on the flowchart. There is talk in Aruba that Lorenzo is a known drug dealer who lives in a compound on the island with a remote controlled sliding gate, television monitors, and razor wire all around the top of the fence. Apparently, you cannot get into the place. It looks like a prison camp. Since Lorenzo is supposed to be related to Joran, if the boys got drugs to give to Natalee, they may have gotten them from him. There was also speculation that he has something to do with the rave houses that are discussed in the "Shango" appendix.
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« Reply #859 on: November 14, 2006, 02:14:25 AM »

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The quads are pretty common - both via the tours you see at this site but also you can rent them and go on your own.  People take them up to the light house area and on many of the backroads to the eastern side of the island.
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