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« Reply #40 on: November 11, 2006, 07:27:15 PM »

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Thanks San! I thought they were the security company but wasn't 100% sure. I know there as been a lot of talk regarding lime or other chemicals being used to help with decomposition and odor. I found a location that is a chemical supplier appears to be close to the GVC residence, from what I can tell, I may be wrong. Curious who owns this business:

Wonder Chemical Aruba
Paraguana 10-C
PARADERA
Tel: (297) 5870538
Fax: (297) 5827778

Well who better to help Paulus dispose of a body than a former police officer and now the head of a security company who has a few boats.  This guy and Paulus have to know each other.  I wonder what this guy was doing the night Natalee disappeared.


I still think if we are looking for a boat for body disposal, Koen's father's boat would be mighty convenient.
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« Reply #41 on: November 11, 2006, 07:27:53 PM »

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Does the casino video show who Joran was talking to before he sat down at the blackjack table?  Did he just go from the poker tournament to the blackjack table, as if he knew to go over there for some reason?


Lala's, we would know a lot more about what happened that night if we could see all of the casino video.  We know it exists.  ALE has seen it.  I would like to see it, too, but I don't think that will happen any time soon.  I certainly hope de Vries sees all the video, don't you?


Indeed! I would like to know who Joran spoke to just before he sat down at that table.  We know Paulus was already there, so who was he talking to before he came to make the "pick" for the girl that daddy wanted?


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« Reply #42 on: November 11, 2006, 07:29:29 PM »

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Does anyone else see a black dog's torso, hind leg and tail in this photo underneath the red arrows?  Minus the head as apparently dogs frequently are in Aruba.   Sad
Just wondering.

Thanks in advance.


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« Reply #43 on: November 11, 2006, 07:30:53 PM »

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Thanks San! I thought they were the security company but wasn't 100% sure. I know there as been a lot of talk regarding lime or other chemicals being used to help with decomposition and odor. I found a location that is a chemical supplier appears to be close to the GVC residence, from what I can tell, I may be wrong. Curious who owns this business:

Wonder Chemical Aruba
Paraguana 10-C
PARADERA
Tel: (297) 5870538
Fax: (297) 5827778

Well who better to help Paulus dispose of a body than a former police officer and now the head of a security company who has a few boats.  This guy and Paulus have to know each other.  I wonder what this guy was doing the night Natalee disappeared.


I still think if we are looking for a boat for body disposal, Koen's father's boat would be mighty convenient.

It sure would but let's think about it.  Everything we have been fed is a lie.  It's all to throw us off into the opposite direction.
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« Reply #44 on: November 11, 2006, 07:34:25 PM »

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Does anyone else see a black dog's torso, hind leg and tail in this photo underneath the red arrows?  Minus the head as apparently dogs frequently are in Aruba.   Sad
Just wondering.

Thanks in advance.


Sorry Anna I don't see it.
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« Reply #45 on: November 11, 2006, 07:36:22 PM »

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Does anyone happen to know who the security company, meaning video security system, for the excelsior casino is?

No, I don't know.  I don't believe it's VCB though.  It would be a company contracted or owned by Posner, IMO.
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« Reply #46 on: November 11, 2006, 07:36:41 PM »

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It sure would but let's think about it.  Everything we have been fed is a lie.  It's all to throw us off into the opposite direction.


San, if Koen, and possibly Daddy's boat, are not involved, then why would they sell the boat, leave Aruba so quickly, and we hear tales of Koen being so afraid he sleeps with Mommy?  Not to mention, Dave wanted the polis to talk to him, but they talked to Koen's Daddy instead!  And, don't forget the Prosecutor who quit the case because they wouldn't call Koen in for questioning--and this is from Dave H.  I think Koen and Daddy's boat are very involved in this.
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« Reply #47 on: November 11, 2006, 07:38:32 PM »

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Does anyone happen to know who the security company, meaning video security system, for the excelsior casino is?

No, I don't know.  I don't believe it's VCB though.  It would be a company contracted or owned by Posner, IMO.


I agree.  I believe most casinos operate their own security and cameras.  This is too important a job to contract out.  They need control over this.
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« Reply #48 on: November 11, 2006, 07:39:26 PM »

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Does anyone else see a black dog's torso, hind leg and tail in this photo underneath the red arrows?  Minus the head as apparently dogs frequently are in Aruba.   Sad
Just wondering.

Thanks in advance.




Anna, I would have to see a larger picture or capture a new original.  I can't see anything here because it's too small  Wink
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« Reply #49 on: November 11, 2006, 07:39:55 PM »

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Thanks, San.  It's all I can make out in that one.

Off for food. . . . .. . . .

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« Reply #50 on: November 11, 2006, 07:42:10 PM »

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It sure would but let's think about it.  Everything we have been fed is a lie.  It's all to throw us off into the opposite direction.


San, if Koen, and possibly Daddy's boat, are not involved, then why would they sell the boat, leave Aruba so quickly, and we hear tales of Koen being so afraid he sleeps with Mommy?  Not to mention, Dave wanted the polis to talk to him, but they talked to Koen's Daddy instead!  And, don't forget the Prosecutor who quit the case because they wouldn't call Koen in for questioning--and this is from Dave H.  I think Koen and Daddy's boat are very involved in this.

AZLady, I'm not saying Koen isn't involved.  I do believe Koen and his brother Sander are involved.  I find it very strange that Sander's phone is stolen the same night that Natalee went missing.  I was just commenting on the boat whether it was used or not.
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« Reply #51 on: November 11, 2006, 07:43:17 PM »

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Does anyone else see a black dog's torso, hind leg and tail in this photo underneath the red arrows?  Minus the head as apparently dogs frequently are in Aruba.   Sad
Just wondering.

Thanks in advance.




Anna, I would have to see a larger picture or capture a new original.  I can't see anything here because it's too small  Wink



Well, if you could see it, it would be even in this small one or enlarge with the page zoom.  Black body, hind leg sticking out to the left and tail at the bottom.  

Its very large and clear if you see it.  If you don't, I don't think it matters how large/small.  About the largest thing in the photo except the man.

I can email you the larger one but it's really not important.  Will send to you via email after I scrounge up dinner.

Thanks.

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« Reply #52 on: November 11, 2006, 07:44:50 PM »

Koen's daddy's boat is involved in some way.  That is the reason the subject of Joran on a boat came up in the statement by Sander.  Someone, somewhere knew a boat was involved or could have been involved that caused ALE to ask Sander about the boat.
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« Reply #53 on: November 11, 2006, 07:46:31 PM »

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Does anyone happen to know who the security company, meaning video security system, for the excelsior casino is?

No, I don't know.  I don't believe it's VCB though.  It would be a company contracted or owned by Posner, IMO.


I agree.  I believe most casinos operate their own security and cameras.  This is too important a job to contract out.  They need control over this.


I agree, too important to contract out, especially if you are Posner, IMO. The other company I cam across was supposively handling the security for the Aruba Marriott Resort Stellaris Casino

North American Video, Inc.: Casino Enterprise Management
Soaring Eagle’s Security Staff
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« Reply #54 on: November 11, 2006, 07:47:04 PM »

Thank you AZLady for the link!
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« Reply #55 on: November 11, 2006, 07:47:10 PM »

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It sure would but let's think about it.  Everything we have been fed is a lie.  It's all to throw us off into the opposite direction.


San, if Koen, and possibly Daddy's boat, are not involved, then why would they sell the boat, leave Aruba so quickly, and we hear tales of Koen being so afraid he sleeps with Mommy?  Not to mention, Dave wanted the polis to talk to him, but they talked to Koen's Daddy instead!  And, don't forget the Prosecutor who quit the case because they wouldn't call Koen in for questioning--and this is from Dave H.  I think Koen and Daddy's boat are very involved in this.

AZLady, I'm not saying Koen isn't involved.  I do believe Koen and his brother Sander are involved.  I find it very strange that Sander's phone is stolen the same night that Natalee went missing.  I was just commenting on the boat whether it was used or not.


San, you are right that we are told the exact opposite of what happened to intentionally throw us off the track.  I do think they used a boat to dispose of her body, eventually.  Maybe the Gottenbos, maybe a boat that GVC had access to.  Some even said that Steve Croes had access to the Tatoo's small dinghy.  They could have used that.  I sure hope de Vries discovers some of these details and tells all.
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« Reply #56 on: November 11, 2006, 07:48:06 PM »

Some of the pictures at that site concerned me, this one in particular.
http://www.perfectpicturesaruba.com/fotos/Gallery/tam3.jpg
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« Reply #57 on: November 11, 2006, 07:48:58 PM »

The call was heard all the way to Bill's house.
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« Reply #58 on: November 11, 2006, 07:49:07 PM »

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Thank you AZLady for the link!

You're welcome, Shadow.  If you search for the word "chemical" you will find your company and the owner's name is on the document.  However, they were defunct in 1998.
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« Reply #59 on: November 11, 2006, 07:49:29 PM »

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Koen's daddy's boat is involved in some way.  That is the reason the subject of Joran on a boat came up in the statement by Sander.  Someone, somewhere knew a boat was involved or could have been involved that caused ALE to ask Sander about the boat.


We also thought Steve Croes was involved and he had access to a boat both big and small.
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