Caylee Marie Anthony #136 6/10/09 - 6/15/09

[Cappuccino]

JSM, you can get somewhat of your FNN fix right on the internet with Fox News Livestream:

http://interactive.foxnews.com/livestream/live.html?chanId=3&openAIR=true

Visit this link and install the left-sided option which includes the adobe install.  Although you wont get all the shows, you will get some newscasts as it airs, breaking news live coverage with alerts, round table discussions, radio show & high profile cases/hearings that get media coverage.  The latter being the way I watch all the court hearings in this case.  (this part is topic worthy lol)
Bless your heart, I'm lost & agitated within an hour or two without either my satellite or internet service.

For your shows that you enjoy, visit all the television network sites, ABC, CBS, NBC, FX, TNT, TBS, BRAVO etc etc - many of them have options to view full episodes of many of their aired shows right on line.   If that's not enough I also have a few sites that you can watch tv shows even past seasons & full length movies - I can gather those links together & get them to you.

MUAH

[Fanny Mae]

I do have a flip side of my feelings about evil. I do think that most people are well meaning and try to do the right things in life. There are big hearted people that come out of nowhere to do good deed, and are ready at any given moment to help others out, and sacrifice there own well being for others.

You can see it time after time during and after a catastrophe of some kind. Tornados, fires, wrecks, saving others from drowning and fires, and especially after 911 and the terrible earthquakes all over the world.

I do think there is intrinsic good in most people, and I myself have had occassions that it has been shown to me. These good people are the backbone of this country. They are people that take care of their families and other people and would never even think of doing it any other way. Most have morals and try to live within the confines of the laws and rules.

No everyone that does bad things are evil. People are human, they make mistakes and can overcome them. Truely evil people don't give a chit who they hurt and when. That is why the behavior of the Anthonys and their evil spawn has disgusted us to the point that it has. And they draw the worst of people to their side to accompany them in their hurtful plots.

Thank goodness there are the Rev Grunds in the world, and people like most all of the searchers that came out to search of Caylee. Some as we have seen, have their own agendas.

Enough of my philosophy for today. I'm ready for Lenny, Rob and Tracy's interviews. I want to read and see the autopsy reports. There is something there that the Anthony's don't want us to see. That is a lot of pages for any autopsy report. Usually they are only a few pages long. I have a feeling that things are going to get worse for us to read, and for Casey and the DP. JMO

[joesamas mama]

JSM, you can get somewhat of your FNN fix right on the internet with Fox News Livestream:

http://interactive.foxnews.com/livestream/live.html?chanId=3&openAIR=true

Visit this link and install the left-sided option which includes the adobe install.  Although you wont get all the shows, you will get some newscasts as it airs, breaking news live coverage with alerts, round table discussions, radio show & high profile cases/hearings that get media coverage.  The latter being the way I watch all the court hearings in this case.  (this part is topic worthy lol)
Bless your heart, I'm lost & agitated within an hour or two without either my satellite or internet service.

For your shows that you enjoy, visit all the television network sites, ABC, CBS, NBC, FX, TNT, TBS, BRAVO etc etc - many of them have options to view full episodes of many of their aired shows right on line.   If that's not enough I also have a few sites that you can watch tv shows even past seasons & full length movies - I can gather those links together & get them to you.

MUAH

  Thanks Cappy. I look at live feed from FNN at work, but usually I just watch PBS or the old movie channel on Saturday nights. Thanks for the info Cappy. It is my fault for waiting so long. I was going to get Uverse, but I can't afford $179 for tv, telephone and internet. Plus I am trying to see how long I can go without it. I feel bad that I couldn't do it during Lent but did it for Josef. 

[Cappuccino]

To add to the discussion, the entire Anthony family from Hopespring Drive are odious low life scum.   They feed off each other & take turns being the aggressor of evil deeds victimizing each other repetitively not to mention the harm & hurt they cause others in their path.   NONE of them care for others the way we monkeys are thinking from decent, level-headed & compassionate mindsets.   NONE of them will admit their flaws or actions because then they would have to admit that they all have contributed to a firestorm of dysfunction.   NONE of them withhold the ability to be accountability or remorseful for their actions, all they know is turmoil & attempting to put the blame elsewhere as a mechanism to avoid the truth from within....to blame one member of that family would be condemning them all.  NONE of them ever had the desire to improve their lives, they all enjoy the drama which is twisted to say the least.  NONE of them are worse than the other, minus the fact that Casey is the one that committed the ultimate heinous act it should be noted that any or all of them are just as capable.  Their family dynamic is the worse case scenario, many other families have dysfunction that stems from one or even two but manage to have some resemblance of normality around it; some have one aggressor but the other family members strive to survive & surpass the adversities they suffered, in each case scenario its a choice how one chooses to stay within the vicious circle or break the cycle for themselves and/or others.    As far as the Anthonys go, each of them is like a F5 tornado at the ready for a very destructive touch down at any given moment, it really is no shock after witnessing what we all have why Caylee didnt stand a chance to survive a well-rounded full life within that household.

Yep Cappy, if only I could say it like you do, I would be a very happy and smart SM!

PS O/T 4 1/2 revs today on one scratch. Broken toe and all. 

Way to go JSM!  Congrats!

[Western Observr]

JSM, you can get somewhat of your FNN fix right on the internet with Fox News Livestream:

http://interactive.foxnews.com/livestream/live.html?chanId=3&openAIR=true

Visit this link and install the left-sided option which includes the adobe install.  Although you wont get all the shows, you will get some newscasts as it airs, breaking news live coverage with alerts, round table discussions, radio show & high profile cases/hearings that get media coverage.  The latter being the way I watch all the court hearings in this case.  (this part is topic worthy lol)
Bless your heart, I'm lost & agitated within an hour or two without either my satellite or internet service.

For your shows that you enjoy, visit all the television network sites, ABC, CBS, NBC, FX, TNT, TBS, BRAVO etc etc - many of them have options to view full episodes of many of their aired shows right on line.   If that's not enough I also have a few sites that you can watch tv shows even past seasons & full length movies - I can gather those links together & get them to you.

MUAH

  Thanks Cappy. I look at live feed from FNN at work, but usually I just watch PBS or the old movie channel on Saturday nights. Thanks for the info Cappy. It is my fault for waiting so long. I was going to get Uverse, but I can't afford $179 for tv, telephone and internet. Plus I am trying to see how long I can go without it. I feel bad that I couldn't do it during Lent but did it for Josef. 

Warning- OT
JSM - I plan on winning the Lottery tonight- once I get the $$$ I will take care of your TV situation, and precious Mr Josef. I am touched that you are so devoted to your little companion.  He's a lucky dog!

[Cappuccino]

JSM, you can get somewhat of your FNN fix right on the internet with Fox News Livestream:

http://interactive.foxnews.com/livestream/live.html?chanId=3&openAIR=true

Visit this link and install the left-sided option which includes the adobe install.  Although you wont get all the shows, you will get some newscasts as it airs, breaking news live coverage with alerts, round table discussions, radio show & high profile cases/hearings that get media coverage.  The latter being the way I watch all the court hearings in this case.  (this part is topic worthy lol)
Bless your heart, I'm lost & agitated within an hour or two without either my satellite or internet service.

For your shows that you enjoy, visit all the television network sites, ABC, CBS, NBC, FX, TNT, TBS, BRAVO etc etc - many of them have options to view full episodes of many of their aired shows right on line.   If that's not enough I also have a few sites that you can watch tv shows even past seasons & full length movies - I can gather those links together & get them to you.

MUAH

  Thanks Cappy. I look at live feed from FNN at work, but usually I just watch PBS or the old movie channel on Saturday nights. Thanks for the info Cappy. It is my fault for waiting so long. I was going to get Uverse, but I can't afford $179 for tv, telephone and internet. Plus I am trying to see how long I can go without it. I feel bad that I couldn't do it during Lent but did it for Josef. 

Warning- OT
JSM - I plan on winning the Lottery tonight- once I get the $$$ I will take care of your TV situation, and precious Mr Josef. I am touched that you are so devoted to your little companion.  He's a lucky dog!

WO your post both touched my heart and gave me a chuckle.  Ive been planning on winning that big lottery for years...now time is cutting it short that I'd still look fab in a bikini, the goal turned to hoping Im not in a wheelchair before I get a chance to see the world & spoil my children and friends...you sound very similar to what I would do for others that I care about, God bless you.    PS  same for me JSM, if I win you'll be getting a widescreen with bells & whistles - we'll have to throw in an adorable plush bed/chair for Josef & a lifetime supply of popcorn from Dale & Thomas (OMG!! too divine!!    http://www.daleandthomaspopcorn.com/  )

Self awareness note:  OK that has to be my O/T quota, I dont take well to being reprimanded by another adult at my age or life experience 

[joesamas mama]

I do have a flip side of my feelings about evil. I do think that most people are well meaning and try to do the right things in life. There are big hearted people that come out of nowhere to do good deed, and are ready at any given moment to help others out, and sacrifice there own well being for others.

You can see it time after time during and after a catastrophe of some kind. Tornados, fires, wrecks, saving others from drowning and fires, and especially after 911 and the terrible earthquakes all over the world.

I do think there is intrinsic good in most people, and I myself have had occassions that it has been shown to me. These good people are the backbone of this country. They are people that take care of their families and other people and would never even think of doing it any other way. Most have morals and try to live within the confines of the laws and rules.

No everyone that does bad things are evil. People are human, they make mistakes and can overcome them. Truely evil people don't give a chit who they hurt and when. That is why the behavior of the Anthonys and their evil spawn has disgusted us to the point that it has. And they draw the worst of people to their side to accompany them in their hurtful plots.

Thank goodness there are the Rev Grunds in the world, and people like most all of the searchers that came out to search of Caylee. Some as we have seen, have their own agendas.

Enough of my philosophy for today. I'm ready for Lenny, Rob and Tracy's interviews. I want to read and see the autopsy reports. There is something there that the Anthony's don't want us to see. That is a lot of pages for any autopsy report. Usually they are only a few pages long. I have a feeling that things are going to get worse for us to read, and for Casey and the DP. JMO

ITA there is goodness in everyone, but some are evil.

Going on a BIG tangent and hope I don't get the ban button, but either they born that way, bred that way or were brought up in an evil cult, religion or regime that brainwashed/made them evil. I don't know how evil people of old and new were brought up. But they were all babies and something or someone be turned them into evil monsters.

Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Ceauşescu, Atilla the Hun, Saddam Hussein were all evil, sadistic monsters. One more question from JSM do you think Uday and Qusay Hussein were born evil from their dad's genes or did they become evil from their daily surroundings aka brainwashing. I'm not smart at history, but these two brothers are the only ones that I can use as an example as Turbo calls I think generational evil.

Sorry if I get the ban button for these questions, but I have always wanted to have smart people to ask them to and who else but Smart Monkeys to ask. TIA JSM 

[joesamas mama]

To add to the discussion, the entire Anthony family from Hopespring Drive are odious low life scum.   They feed off each other & take turns being the aggressor of evil deeds victimizing each other repetitively not to mention the harm & hurt they cause others in their path.   NONE of them care for others the way we monkeys are thinking from decent, level-headed & compassionate mindsets.   NONE of them will admit their flaws or actions because then they would have to admit that they all have contributed to a firestorm of dysfunction.   NONE of them withhold the ability to be accountability or remorseful for their actions, all they know is turmoil & attempting to put the blame elsewhere as a mechanism to avoid the truth from within....to blame one member of that family would be condemning them all.  NONE of them ever had the desire to improve their lives, they all enjoy the drama which is twisted to say the least.  NONE of them are worse than the other, minus the fact that Casey is the one that committed the ultimate heinous act it should be noted that any or all of them are just as capable.  Their family dynamic is the worse case scenario, many other families have dysfunction that stems from one or even two but manage to have some resemblance of normality around it; some have one aggressor but the other family members strive to survive & surpass the adversities they suffered, in each case scenario its a choice how one chooses to stay within the vicious circle or break the cycle for themselves and/or others.    As far as the Anthonys go, each of them is like a F5 tornado at the ready for a very destructive touch down at any given moment, it really is no shock after witnessing what we all have why Caylee didnt stand a chance to survive a well-rounded full life within that household.

Yep Cappy, if only I could say it like you do, I would be a very happy and smart SM!

PS O/T 4 1/2 revs today on one scratch. Broken toe and all. 

Way to go JSM!  Congrats!

Thanks Cappy. If only I looked that good in that dress!

[cecilita]

When Lee disspaeared for awhile months ago, somebody said that he was in Puerto Rico, it was true? ....It was really weird that he dissapeared for so long

[joesamas mama]

JSM, you can get somewhat of your FNN fix right on the internet with Fox News Livestream:

http://interactive.foxnews.com/livestream/live.html?chanId=3&openAIR=true

Visit this link and install the left-sided option which includes the adobe install.  Although you wont get all the shows, you will get some newscasts as it airs, breaking news live coverage with alerts, round table discussions, radio show & high profile cases/hearings that get media coverage.  The latter being the way I watch all the court hearings in this case.  (this part is topic worthy lol)
Bless your heart, I'm lost & agitated within an hour or two without either my satellite or internet service.

For your shows that you enjoy, visit all the television network sites, ABC, CBS, NBC, FX, TNT, TBS, BRAVO etc etc - many of them have options to view full episodes of many of their aired shows right on line.   If that's not enough I also have a few sites that you can watch tv shows even past seasons & full length movies - I can gather those links together & get them to you.

MUAH

  Thanks Cappy. I look at live feed from FNN at work, but usually I just watch PBS or the old movie channel on Saturday nights. Thanks for the info Cappy. It is my fault for waiting so long. I was going to get Uverse, but I can't afford $179 for tv, telephone and internet. Plus I am trying to see how long I can go without it. I feel bad that I couldn't do it during Lent but did it for Josef. 

Warning- OT
JSM - I plan on winning the Lottery tonight- once I get the $$$ I will take care of your TV situation, and precious Mr Josef. I am touched that you are so devoted to your little companion.  He's a lucky dog!

  Thanks WO, win the lottery. I never play because I never win.

I am devoted to him,  I am the lucky one to have him as my companion.  He is an irritating angel at times, but he is my baby. I only wish KC would have thought as much of Caylee as I do my evil Josef.

[mamacrazy30]

Hello Monkeys......
this recent non-dump (does that even make since?)  has got me wondering about the oddest things....can ya'll help me here?
1  does anyone remember the Zenaida who had an office in orlando that was broken into and her computer stolen?  do ya know what happened?  did they fine the puter taker?
2  i want to know about the hypo in the gatoraid bottle!  does it have anything to do with Caylee or was it random yet dangerous garbage?
3 regards to lee and 'cma'....country music award?  lol...makes as much since to me as he does...i really thought in the beginning that he would be the one to get casey to confess, or rat her out.  then he took a turn for the worse......

[joesamas mama]

JSM, you can get somewhat of your FNN fix right on the internet with Fox News Livestream:

http://interactive.foxnews.com/livestream/live.html?chanId=3&openAIR=true

Visit this link and install the left-sided option which includes the adobe install.  Although you wont get all the shows, you will get some newscasts as it airs, breaking news live coverage with alerts, round table discussions, radio show & high profile cases/hearings that get media coverage.  The latter being the way I watch all the court hearings in this case.  (this part is topic worthy lol)
Bless your heart, I'm lost & agitated within an hour or two without either my satellite or internet service.

For your shows that you enjoy, visit all the television network sites, ABC, CBS, NBC, FX, TNT, TBS, BRAVO etc etc - many of them have options to view full episodes of many of their aired shows right on line.   If that's not enough I also have a few sites that you can watch tv shows even past seasons & full length movies - I can gather those links together & get them to you.

MUAH

  Thanks Cappy. I look at live feed from FNN at work, but usually I just watch PBS or the old movie channel on Saturday nights. Thanks for the info Cappy. It is my fault for waiting so long. I was going to get Uverse, but I can't afford $179 for tv, telephone and internet. Plus I am trying to see how long I can go without it. I feel bad that I couldn't do it during Lent but did it for Josef. 

Warning- OT
JSM - I plan on winning the Lottery tonight- once I get the $$$ I will take care of your TV situation, and precious Mr Josef. I am touched that you are so devoted to your little companion.  He's a lucky dog!

WO your post both touched my heart and gave me a chuckle.  Ive been planning on winning that big lottery for years...now time is cutting it short that I'd still look fab in a bikini, the goal turned to hoping Im not in a wheelchair before I get a chance to see the world & spoil my children and friends...you sound very similar to what I would do for others that I care about, God bless you.    PS  same for me JSM, if I win you'll be getting a widescreen with bells & whistles - we'll have to throw in an adorable plush bed/chair for Josef & a lifetime supply of popcorn from Dale & Thomas (OMG!! too divine!!    http://www.daleandthomaspopcorn.com/  )

Self awareness note:  OK that has to be my O/T quota, I dont take well to being reprimanded by another adult at my age or life experience 

Thanks Cappy and WO  , I am about to take the evil one out one more time tonight, then come back to the cage. Please don't leave whilst I am away. I just posted a question to Fanny and all monkeys about the generational evil and was hoping someone could help me with it. If it is a hot topic and not PC, please forgive me. TIA JSM

[suzyinpgh]

JSM, you might have to get basic cable, weird there are no more convertor boxes in the area. CMA is not Caylee, how creepy was that, that still bothers me the way Lee went off on a tangent 

JSM, try amazon.com.  I got a coverter box from amazon and was able to use the $40 coupon and got free shipping.

[Fanny Mae]

When Lee disspaeared for awhile months ago, somebody said that he was in Puerto Rico, it was true? ....It was really weird that he dissapeared for so long

I think there were rumors that he was going to Puerto Rico, but I don't think there was ever anything concrete about him being there. He has dropped from sight several times since July. I believe he does travel a bit for his job, but the long absents puzzle me too. 

[mamacrazy30]

I do have a flip side of my feelings about evil. I do think that most people are well meaning and try to do the right things in life. There are big hearted people that come out of nowhere to do good deed, and are ready at any given moment to help others out, and sacrifice there own well being for others.

You can see it time after time during and after a catastrophe of some kind. Tornados, fires, wrecks, saving others from drowning and fires, and especially after 911 and the terrible earthquakes all over the world.

I do think there is intrinsic good in most people, and I myself have had occassions that it has been shown to me. These good people are the backbone of this country. They are people that take care of their families and other people and would never even think of doing it any other way. Most have morals and try to live within the confines of the laws and rules.

No everyone that does bad things are evil. People are human, they make mistakes and can overcome them. Truely evil people don't give a chit who they hurt and when. That is why the behavior of the Anthonys and their evil spawn has disgusted us to the point that it has. And they draw the worst of people to their side to accompany them in their hurtful plots.

Thank goodness there are the Rev Grunds in the world, and people like most all of the searchers that came out to search of Caylee. Some as we have seen, have their own agendas.

Enough of my philosophy for today. I'm ready for Lenny, Rob and Tracy's interviews. I want to read and see the autopsy reports. There is something there that the Anthony's don't want us to see. That is a lot of pages for any autopsy report. Usually they are only a few pages long. I have a feeling that things are going to get worse for us to read, and for Casey and the DP. JMO

ITA there is goodness in everyone, but some are evil.

Going on a BIG tangent and hope I don't get the ban button, but either they born that way, bred that way or were brought up in an evil cult, religion or regime that brainwashed/made them evil. I don't know how evil people of old and new were brought up. But they were all babies and something or someone be turned them into evil monsters.

Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Ceauşescu, Atilla the Hun, Saddam Hussein were all evil, sadistic monsters. One more question from JSM do you think Uday and Qusay Hussein were born evil from their dad's genes or did they become evil from their daily surroundings aka brainwashing. I'm not smart at history, but these two brothers are the only ones that I can use as an example as Turbo calls I think generational evil.

Sorry if I get the ban button for these questions, but I have always wanted to have smart people to ask them to and who else but Smart Monkeys to ask. TIA JSM 

opprotunist....i believe that innate fear is what causes us to do the right thing....if i steal and i get caught..?so therefor i don't steal.  if i kill and i get caught...?etc...when people have great power (such as the ones you mentioned) who is there to hold them accountable?   casey has no power and is in county lock-up.  george and cindy..well, i have to just hope that the le community considers them 'mourning grandparents' who are in a tough spot with their daughter killing their granddaughter and all...i say hope for a reason 'cause they've done more nastyness to folks trying to help than innocent and 'mourning' grandparents do..no matter how upset at the situation. IMO

[FL Beagle Mom]

I think the Ant's are PURE evil... you can see it in their faces and their actions... esp during the Morgan depositions. When you see clips of that interview with Morgan, and Cindy is talking about how she can't talk, and the sheriff's deputies didn't let Casey talk and she grabs for her bottle of water... well I HAD a friend who was just like that...an evil lying wench...and when she acted like that... it was a thing of evil and spite.

Lee is just odd...

About the Grund's site, first time I saw it and the Caylee banner is up there, I figured that Cindy would be going after him for using Caylee's picture   

So much I wanted to do this weekend, but I've been sick with headache, upset stomach, and cold symptoms    Capp, I love shopping...it's good for depression and anger

[BooMonkey]

JSM, you might have to get basic cable, weird there are no more convertor boxes in the area. CMA is not Caylee, how creepy was that, that still bothers me the way Lee went off on a tangent 

Thanks No Rose. Seriously, I will not get cable. It was my major addiction (not porn or anything like that), but one Lent I tried giving up Fox News. Couldn't do it, so if I have no television for awhile. So be it.  I am going to get one a few towns over from me tomorrow. I almost just bought a dang TV today at Target instead of messing with the box.

ITA CMA is not Caylee, when I saw that live I seriously said Cover My A** to my coworkers. Then I thought Casey Marie, not Caylee. NOTHING that day on the memorial was about Caylee.

You are a stronger woman than me. Without my Fox News and my laptop, I would be a total basket case. During our big windstorm last September, we were without both for a while including power. Thank goodness it wasn't days and weeks like some people around here. I seriously worry about myself sometimes. 

Thanks Fanny. It was cable or Josef going to daycare. I gave up cable. Don't get me wrong, I love me some FNN. I miss Fox and Friends, but without cable I get to work earlier, miss traffic and get back home with my Josef safe and sound from daycare. I guess you can say I gave up something for someone/something I love.

Luv ya Fanny. You know the drill, any storms coming my way I need forewarning at least until tomorrow. TIA JSM 

Oh JSM, that's the sweetest thing I've heard all week. I so love you! I have the same relationship with Grissom, I have done without plenty for him. Worth every penny. I got my first kiss today!! Yes, it is a big deal. Stay safe, hunny! 

[Cappuccino]

I think the Ant's are PURE evil... you can see it in their faces and their actions... esp during the Morgan depositions. When you see clips of that interview with Morgan, and Cindy is talking about how she can't talk, and the sheriff's deputies didn't let Casey talk and she grabs for her bottle of water... well I HAD a friend who was just like that...an evil lying wench...and when she acted like that... it was a thing of evil and spite.

Lee is just odd...

About the Grund's site, first time I saw it and the Caylee banner is up there, I figured that Cindy would be going after him for using Caylee's picture   

So much I wanted to do this weekend, but I've been sick with headache, upset stomach, and cold symptoms    Capp, I love shopping...it's good for depression and anger

Feel better hugs to you FlbeagleMom!   Yup, this case over the past 2 weeks has given me as us Italians say in slang form "Agita" (upset tummy, heartburn).   I got my aggression out on aisle 1 & my frown turned right side up in aisles 2-18, then I did some damage at a mini mall, hehe!

[Fanny Mae]

ITA there is goodness in everyone, but some are evil.

Going on a BIG tangent and hope I don't get the ban button, but either they born that way, bred that way or were brought up in an evil cult, religion or regime that brainwashed/made them evil. I don't know how evil people of old and new were brought up. But they were all babies and something or someone be turned them into evil monsters.

Hitler, Stalin, Lenin, Ceauşescu, Atilla the Hun, Saddam Hussein were all evil, sadistic monsters. One more question from JSM do you think Uday and Qusay Hussein were born evil from their dad's genes or did they become evil from their daily surroundings aka brainwashing. I'm not smart at history, but these two brothers are the only ones that I can use as an example as Turbo calls I think generational evil.

Sorry if I get the ban button for these questions, but I have always wanted to have smart people to ask them to and who else but Smart Monkeys to ask. TIA JSM 

I can only go by my own life experiences to answer that question. Your question reminded me of something that my wise old friend, Miss Katie, said to me one time while we lived in Florida. We lived between the bus station and the Salvation Army, so we were blessed with many homeless and transient people, especially in the winter. Several times we would see someone passed out with a large wine bottle on the side of a convience store close to our homes. She said they were an aggravation to have in the neighborhood, but sadly they had been someones baby at one time.

As far as generational evil, yes. I had dealings in my LE years of whole families that just couldn't get it together no matter how much help, time, money, effort, prayers, couseling, punishment were extended to them. One case that I can remember went on for at least three generations that I am sure of, and the big problem was there was another family of the same ilk that lived nearby. There were many times it was like the Hatfield and McCoys. Murder, stabbings, catching the other members in claw type animal traps, cock and dog fighting, bloody brutal fights within the families and with each other. Many of them were given generous opportunities to get away from the pack, and they would always go back to the same thing. Now you could say that was environmental.  However, I never knew one on either side that could break away from the behavior, no matter what.

I believe that Sadam's sons may have been the same way. I do know enough about their upbringing to really say. I do know that people have choices, no matter their environment. When someone can turn their back on their own grandchild, they have made a deal with the devil if they are trying to make money on her death, cover for her murderer, and have never had a shred of graditude to other people. Have you ever heard Spindy, George, or Lee ever give anyone a heartfelt thank you to all the people that have tried to help find Caylee and to find out the truth? No! And they never will. And they will never shed a tear except for themselves. They are evil personified in my eyes, and they didn't just get that way. JMO

[joesamas mama]

JSM, you might have to get basic cable, weird there are no more convertor boxes in the area. CMA is not Caylee, how creepy was that, that still bothers me the way Lee went off on a tangent 

JSM, try amazon.com.  I got a coverter box from amazon and was able to use the $40 coupon and got free shipping.

Awesome. I tried online with Radio Shack but they wouldn't take a coupon. Thanks so much. JSM