Caylee Marie Anthony #136 6/10/09 - 6/15/09

[Desdemona]

<snipped by Desi>
While I'm at it, aren't Luka and Conway law partners?[/color]

Yep, they share an office at 390 N. Orange Avenue, Suite 1630 in Orlando. 
http://www.wftv.com/download/2009/0529/19600081.pdf

Brad is under a bar complaint investigation related to this case((edit - oops no complaints in 10yr history))   http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3571913&postcount=8
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I guess I'm missing something here. Complaints are property of the Fla. Bar and kept confidential and Conway has a 10-year clear disciplinary history. What have you heard re: complaints specifically with this case?

Great catch, TupeloHoney.  You are right, they are confidential.  If it is true that a complaint was indeed filed against Conway in April as was reported in the news, is is only presumed that it relates to the case.  Here's what I read: 

http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showpost.php?s=81d12efe310bf95df68b3e6659157216&p=574514&postcount=3
But Jose Baez isn't alone. Eyewitness News also confirmed Wednesday that another lawyer wrapped up in the case is under investigation by the Florida Bar.  Brad Conway is the lawyer representing George and Cindy Anthony. Eyewitness News has learned Brad Conway was with Dominic Casey when Dominic Casey gave investigators information that Judge Strickland later determined was privileged to the defense. Eyewitness News is still working to find out the exact complaint in Conway's investigation.

 
Funny thing is, just now, when I returned to the WFTV article linked in this post, I couldn't locate the section about Brad's complaint... hmmm.  http://www.wftv.com/news/19130417/detail.html

[Fanny Mae]

TURBO,You did a great post one night that explained the DNA results that the reports said that Lee was ruled out from being Caylee's father was flawed and not necessarily true. I believe it included a YouTube also. Do you think you could repost that again, as I don't think everybody saw that. TIA

Although I do not agree with you about Lee being a high functioning austistic, I do agree with you on generational evil. Thank you for your post.

[cece]

Turbothink, that is a great post on Generational Evil.  Thank you for posting it & it all makes sence in this case.

[joesamas mama]

Turbo I posted a question I think it is on page 71 asking about generational evil. I don't know if you read it, but if it all possible could you please read it? I can repost it if you need me to. I usually don't ask questions that are on topic, but I would really appreciate it if you could give some input if what I posted would be generational evil. Other monkeys answered me and I appreciate every answer, but I would like your take on it also. Sorry if this is rehashing an old question. TIA JSM 

Generational evil is an insidious evil which projects evil to everyone around them until the ones around them are encompassed in it also. It is built on lies. The lies of the family are used to cover up previous lies. Simply it is a family whose whole basis is the LIE.

Is consistently self deceiving, with the intent of avoiding guilt and maintaining a self image of perfection. They cannot tolerate any self reflection.

The people continuously deceives others as a consequence of their own self deception. An example of distorting reality to a child. Shortly the child doubts their own perception of reality.

Projects their evils and sins onto very specific targets (targeted scapegoats) while being apparently normal with everyone else. They can turn on and off their appearance of love like a faucet which is very unbalancing to anyone around them.

Commonly hates with the pretense of love, for the purposes of self deception as much as deception of others. While they claim to "love" they are undermining the other person's ability to fend for themselves. You see examples of  this in adult children who can't leave home.

Abuses emotional power - The imposition of one's will upon others by overt or covert coercion. Children are the easiest targets.

Maintains a high level of respectability and lies incessantly in order to do so. They MUST maintain their facade of respectable living to survive.

Is consistent in their sins. Evil persons are characterized not so much by the magnitude of their sins, but by their consistency (of destructiveness) They seem to be like a tornado roaring though the lives of others leaving a wake of destruction in their path.
 
Is unable to think from the viewpoint of their victim.

Has a covert and great  intolerance to criticism and other forms of narcissistic injury

Most evil people realize the evil deep within themselves but are unable to tolerate the pain of introspection or admit to themselves that they are evil. Thus, they constantly run away from their evil by putting themselves in a position of moral superiority and putting the focus of evil on others.

What turns it to evil is their persistent and accumulative refusal of the evil person to face the truth about himself. They  may admit publicly that, of course, they make a mistake  just like everyone else. But deep down inside they do not believe it. So rather than face up to his own sin he is constantly scapegoating: laying it on other people, making his faults theirs. Evil people are masters of disguise, morally. They are constantly dodging their conscience. In other words, evil people are liars like most people have never known. They don't usually tell outright lies which are identifiable, but very covert distortions which makes it hard for a normal person to call them a liar. A good example is Cindy's always saying she only "misspoke" when confronted. Cindy is such a good example of these covert liars. She always finds a scapegoat.

This scapegoating mechanism is perhaps the most pernicious aspect of the evil personality. Children are most often its victims, because they are so vulnerable. Parents have an almost godlike power over their own children, and to the degree that they will not face up to their own evil, to that same degree they seem to project it onto their children. Peck observes that rarely will evil people turn up in psychotherapy. This is because psychotherapy is what he calls the "light-shedding process par excellence." Evil, by definition, avoids the light. So the persons who end up in the therapist's office are not usually the truly evil ones, but the victims of someone else's evil. Again, children figure hugely in this group of victims.

Caylee was a victim because EVIL KILLS. A greater evil will always destroy a weaker evil and she was surrounded by such evil that she really did not have a chance.  It will be interesting to see which evil ends up surviving in the end. The evil in this family will eventually destroy all but the strongest evil one.

I will write you some more on this later.

Thanks so much Turbo for your explanation. I have never thought that most ordinary person could be evil and kill and have a "mother" Cindy take up for the murderer.

I only know of serial killers, who usually have an excuse once they are caught and going to the gallows.

I was just wondering about evil people in history if it was generational or inbred. You can answer me in musings if you like because this is off topic here in the Caylee thread. Just let me know if you post in musings here in Caylee's thread because I am usually here. TIA JSM

[trimmonthelake]

Good evening monkeys.Finally got power again. 
Don't know for how long.  Fanny,no need for Thor today.Left a post in musings.

[joesamas mama]

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/IrV8QPQAhxo&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1&amp;" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/IrV8QPQAhxo&amp;hl=en&amp;fs=1&amp;</a>



  I think I did it. I just wanted to be off topic for flag day and let monkeys enjoy this video. I pray to the Good Lord and Jesus it works and I don't get the banned button for posting it. TIA JSM

If I get the ban button, just remember JSM will always be a Monkey that fights for justice for Caylee! TIA JSM

   Ban button.     You mean this one? 
 

Congrats & Thank you for the youtube.  Sorry I didn't get to answer your question.  

Yes that Ban button. I feel like a real monkey now that can post a youtube. I guarantee I will never be able to do it again. 

[joesamas mama]

Good evening monkeys.Finally got power again. 
Don't know for how long.  Fanny,no need for Thor today.Left a post in musings.

  Glad you are back and have power Trimm. JSM

[tupelohoney]

<snipped by Desi>
While I'm at it, aren't Luka and Conway law partners?[/color]

Yep, they share an office at 390 N. Orange Avenue, Suite 1630 in Orlando. 
http://www.wftv.com/download/2009/0529/19600081.pdf

Brad is under a bar complaint investigation related to this case,((edit - oops no complaints in 10yr history))    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3571913&postcount=8
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I guess I'm missing something here. Complaints are property of the Fla. Bar and kept confidential and Conway has a 10-year clear disciplinary history. What have you heard re: complaints specifically with this case?

Great catch, TupeloHoney.  You are right, they are confidential.  If it is true that a complaint was indeed filed against Conway in April as was reported in the news, is is only presumed that it relates to the case.  Here's what I read: 

http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showpost.php?s=81d12efe310bf95df68b3e6659157216&p=574514&postcount=3
But Jose Baez isn't alone. Eyewitness News also confirmed Wednesday that another lawyer wrapped up in the case is under investigation by the Florida Bar.  Brad Conway is the lawyer representing George and Cindy Anthony. Eyewitness News has learned Brad Conway was with Dominic Casey when Dominic Casey gave investigators information that Judge Strickland later determined was privileged to the defense. Eyewitness News is still working to find out the exact complaint in Conway's investigation.

 
Funny thing is, just now, when I returned to the WFTV article linked in this post, I couldn't locate the section about Brad's complaint... hmmm.  http://www.wftv.com/news/19130417/detail.html

Thanks Desdemona, (So you like Desi or Des?) I missed that one too. Just when I think I have it together on this case, you great monkeys bring to light things that I have missed. This is one of the reasons I wanted to become a monkey!!

As far at C. Stutz having more interviews, I have no doubt. (As well with many others in this case.) Or not all of the interview was released to us. Whenever I read a transcript and see the "inaudible", I know that must be relevant and they have blocked it from us for now.

[Desdemona]

Thanks Boo. I guess I was either a little young to remember this or because it was National League I never heard about it. I'm glad it made your day. I just hope I don't get booted for off topic.   
PS, if Red or Blink or Klaas are listening, how does one make up their own blog (not that anyone would look at mine if I had one). That is one thing I would love to do so I don't have to post off topic stuff on the monkeys. TIA JSM

O/T, Sorry --> JSM, that was an awesome video.  I never knew that happened and it was so moving to watch the video on Flag Day.  You would be a great blogger; if you do create your own blog be sure and let us know.  I'll be a regular reader!  Hugs.
 
Trimm's back!  Glad to see you -- we were getting worried!

[Cappuccino]

<snipped by Desi>
While I'm at it, aren't Luka and Conway law partners?[/color]

Yep, they share an office at 390 N. Orange Avenue, Suite 1630 in Orlando. 
http://www.wftv.com/download/2009/0529/19600081.pdf

Brad is under a bar complaint investigation related to this case,((edit - oops no complaints in 10yr history))    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3571913&postcount=8
<snip>

I guess I'm missing something here. Complaints are property of the Fla. Bar and kept confidential and Conway has a 10-year clear disciplinary history. What have you heard re: complaints specifically with this case?

Great catch, TupeloHoney.  You are right, they are confidential.  If it is true that a complaint was indeed filed against Conway in April as was reported in the news, is is only presumed that it relates to the case.  Here's what I read: 

http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showpost.php?s=81d12efe310bf95df68b3e6659157216&p=574514&postcount=3
But Jose Baez isn't alone. Eyewitness News also confirmed Wednesday that another lawyer wrapped up in the case is under investigation by the Florida Bar.  Brad Conway is the lawyer representing George and Cindy Anthony. Eyewitness News has learned Brad Conway was with Dominic Casey when Dominic Casey gave investigators information that Judge Strickland later determined was privileged to the defense. Eyewitness News is still working to find out the exact complaint in Conway's investigation.

 
Funny thing is, just now, when I returned to the WFTV article linked in this post, I couldn't locate the section about Brad's complaint... hmmm.  http://www.wftv.com/news/19130417/detail.html

If everyone recalls when Dominic Casey & James Hoover were first interviewed by Sgt John Allen & FBI agent Nick Savage at Conway/Luka's office regarding why DC was probing & digging in the Suburban woods (proven by Hoover's videotape), Brad represented Dominic Casey during that questioning & I raised the issue that I felt it was a conflict of interest since he represents the Anthonys.   The other issue is that everything that was said in those interviews and off the record were no doubt referred back to the Anthonys by "Conman."   I found the representation to be unethical.

[trimmonthelake]

Turbo,thanks so much for that post about EVIL.Very interesting. 

[Fanny Mae]

TRIMM!!!!

Are we going to have to send somebody down there to see about you?? 

NOROSEhas been missing all afternoon too.   

[cece]

Good evening monkeys.Finally got power again. 
Don't know for how long.  Fanny,no need for Thor today.Left a post in musings.

Welcome back Trimm!   

You were missed!  Sorry you had bad weather & a power outage, but glad to see you are safe & made it back!   

[Fanny Mae]

Turbo,thanks so much for that post about EVIL.Very interesting. 

OOPS!! I was just yelling for you and here you are. You ok? 

[Fanny Mae]

Good evening monkeys.Finally got power again. 
Don't know for how long.  Fanny,no need for Thor today.Left a post in musings.

Great! Going there now. 

[trimmonthelake]

Good evening monkeys.Finally got power again. 
Don't know for how long.  Fanny,no need for Thor today.Left a post in musings.

  Glad you are back and have power Trimm. JSM

I want to watch that video ,but my connection is too slow right now.Phone company is working on my DSL connection.I check it out later.
Anything big happen this afternoon?

[no rose colored glasses]

TRIMM!!!!

Are we going to have to send somebody down there to see about you?? 

NOROSEhas been missing all afternoon too.   

I'm here, love your avi 

[cece]

<snipped by Desi>
While I'm at it, aren't Luka and Conway law partners?[/color]

Yep, they share an office at 390 N. Orange Avenue, Suite 1630 in Orlando. 
http://www.wftv.com/download/2009/0529/19600081.pdf

Brad is under a bar complaint investigation related to this case, ((edit - oops no complaints in 10yr history))    http://www.websleuths.com/forums/showpost.php?p=3571913&postcount=8
<snip>

I guess I'm missing something here. Complaints are property of the Fla. Bar and kept confidential and Conway has a 10-year clear disciplinary history. What have you heard re: complaints specifically with this case?

Great catch, TupeloHoney.  You are right, they are confidential.  If it is true that a complaint was indeed filed against Conway in April as was reported in the news, is is only presumed that it relates to the case.  Here's what I read: 

http://www.helpfindthemissing.org/forum/showpost.php?s=81d12efe310bf95df68b3e6659157216&p=574514&postcount=3
But Jose Baez isn't alone. Eyewitness News also confirmed Wednesday that another lawyer wrapped up in the case is under investigation by the Florida Bar.  Brad Conway is the lawyer representing George and Cindy Anthony. Eyewitness News has learned Brad Conway was with Dominic Casey when Dominic Casey gave investigators information that Judge Strickland later determined was privileged to the defense. Eyewitness News is still working to find out the exact complaint in Conway's investigation.

 
Funny thing is, just now, when I returned to the WFTV article linked in this post, I couldn't locate the section about Brad's complaint... hmmm.  http://www.wftv.com/news/19130417/detail.html

If everyone recalls when Dominic Casey & James Hoover were first interviewed by Sgt John Allen & FBI agent Nick Savage at Conway/Luka's office regarding why DC was probing & digging in the Suburban woods (proven by Hoover's videotape), Brad represented Dominic Casey during that questioning & I raised the issue that I felt it was a conflict of interest since he represents the Anthonys.   The other issue is that everything that was said in those interviews and off the record were no doubt referred back to the Anthonys by "Conman."   I found the representation to be unethical.

Thanks Capp.  I didn't remember that Conman represented DC at one point.  That really is a conflict of interest, at least in my mind (& no I'm not a lawyer, nor did I sleep at a Holiday Inn express last night).   

[trimmonthelake]

Thanks guys,for missing me.I was going crazy without  being in the cage. 
I was thinking about Mr.Grund and how sweet he is. 
I am so excited about what he's doing this week.

[trimmonthelake]

Turbo,thanks so much for that post about EVIL.Very interesting. 

OOPS!! I was just yelling for you and here you are. You ok? 

It's all good.Can't stay long,cause power is still blinking some.
Love your avi.