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« Reply #160 on: June 19, 2009, 02:39:08 AM »

oh man, I'm falling down on the job.  I knew who Esther was and where it was on the blink thread here.  I've read and re-read more than 6,000 pages.  If you need to "remember" because you guys are doing the research and I'm doing the reading (and making my little pencil notes :>) -- just ask.  I've read through the post on the Blink Lawless thread several times.  At one point, I started to begin another thread, titled, questions you asked to be reminded of.
Sorry haven't been here to hold up my end.  Just a little stomach distressed, but it keeps me glued to a different room in the house.
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« Reply #161 on: June 19, 2009, 05:16:36 PM »

from DD post

Notes for CLIFFORD "LANE" LAWLESS:
Name: Clifford Lane Lawless
Phone Number: Edit-No phone numbers please
Address: 424 W Beverly Pl, Tracy, California 95376-0801 (1993)
[434 W Beverly Pl, Tracy, California 95376]
[667 Ruby Rd, Livermore, California 94550] 

Name: Lane Lawless
Address: 424 W Beverly Pl 
City: Tracy 
State: California 
Zip Code: 95376-3011
Phone Number: 209-Edit-No phone numbers please
Residence Years: 1993 1994 1995 1996 

Name: Lane Lawless
Address: 11000 W Clover Rd 
City: Tracy 
State: California 
Zip Code: 95376-1703
Phone Number: 209-Edit-No phone numbers please
Residence Years: 1993 1994 1995 1996 

Name: Lane Pastr Lawless
Address: 11000 W Clover Rd 
City: Tracy 
State: California 
Zip Code: 95376-1703
Phone Number: 209-Edit-No phone numbers please
Residence Years: 1997 

Name: Lane Pastr Lawless
Address: 424 W Beverly Pl 
City: Tracy 
State: California 
Zip Code: 95376-3011
Phone Number: 209-Edit-No phone numbers please
Residence Years: 1997 

Name: Lane P Lawless
Address: 812 W Clover Rd 57 
City: Tracy 
State: California 
Zip Code: 95376-1712
Phone Number: 209-Edit-No phone numbers please
Residence Years: 1998 1999 2000 2001 2002 

Name: Lane P Lawless
Address: 11000 W Clover Rd 
City: Tracy 
State: California 
Zip Code: 95376-1703 209-Edit-No phone numbers please
Residence Years: 1998 1999 2000

what are those other addresses?
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« Reply #162 on: June 19, 2009, 05:17:29 PM »

oops, I highlighted and asked the question.  sorry, fingers not working well.
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« Reply #163 on: June 20, 2009, 08:35:00 PM »

oops, I highlighted and asked the question.  sorry, fingers not working well.

they are addresses where clifford lane lawless is showing he has lived. 

all the addresses that I put in context with a name like that, are addresses that are showing up in the database as being addresses the person has used. 

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« Reply #164 on: June 20, 2009, 11:15:49 PM »

I meant to ask what is located at those addresses.
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« Reply #165 on: June 20, 2009, 11:19:56 PM »

I meant to ask what is located at those addresses.

they are houses I think.  somewhere I looked up all the info and who was connected to each of the addresses.
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« Reply #166 on: June 20, 2009, 11:22:56 PM »

If you've already checked it out . . . I just don't remember seeing it.
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« Reply #167 on: June 20, 2009, 11:45:27 PM »

DD can you please explain the long post of names? It starts with 667 Ruby Livermore...I can't seem to follow.

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« Reply #168 on: June 20, 2009, 11:55:44 PM »

Tracygirl, O/T I received a nice note from Billy's mom.
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« Reply #169 on: June 20, 2009, 11:59:44 PM »

Oh good sister. I had heard from her too a couple weeks back. His case is a strange one and I am not sure what to think with it all.

You all are working so hard on these Sandra threads. I will admit I have seen a few family names which sort of freak me out a bit. A lot of old time local names. I don't really know what to think but I am pretty much ready to move!
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« Reply #170 on: June 22, 2009, 02:30:21 AM »

DD can you please explain the long post of names? It starts with 667 Ruby Livermore...I can't seem to follow.

thanks!

cll is listed at that address at one time, and those are all the names connected to that address
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« Reply #171 on: June 22, 2009, 02:37:55 AM »

I don't know how to link the pic but I googled the address, the home is small.
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« Reply #172 on: June 23, 2009, 03:38:50 AM »

This is from the Texas thread

Name:  Clifton Lawless
Residence:  1992 - DE Berry, Texas
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« Reply #173 on: June 28, 2009, 04:55:44 PM »

So there is a Porfirio Martinez listed as a possible roommate with Pastor Lane...

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    MARTINEZ,�PORFIRIO�
   Available(2)    Available    TRACY,�CA    Possible Relatives:

MARTINEZ SENDEN,�MILDRED�(Age�47)
RENTERIA,�DOLORES�(Age�69)
MARTINEZ,�ANTONIO�(Age�66)
MARTINEZ,�MARY�(Age�62)
MARTIN,�SHANE�M�(Age�29)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

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TIZOC,�MARIA�D
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    LAWLESS,�CLIFFORD�LANE (Age 67)

Associated names:

�LAWLESS,�LANE�C
�LAWLESS,�LANE�L
�LAWLESS,�LANE�PASTR
�LAWLOR,�LANE�
   Available(3)    Available    TRACY,�CA
SAN JOSE,�CA
LIVERMORE,�CA    Possible Relatives:

HUGHES,�JONI�IRENE�(Age�41)
LAWLESS,�CLANE�(Age�31)
LAWLESS,�LANE�PASTR
LAWLESS,�PSTR�LANE
LAWLESS,�CONNIE�L�(Age�67)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

CHAMMISA,�CHERYL�(Age�47)
CHAMMISA,�JEFF
MARTINEZ,�PORFIRIO
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2.    LAWLESS,�LANE�PASTR

Associated names:

�LAWLESS,�L�C
�LAWLESS,�PSTR�LANE

Possible Employment / Business Associations:

�CLOVER ROAD BAPTIST CHURCH
   Available(3)    Available    TRACY,�CA    Possible Relatives:

LAWLESS,�CLIFFORD�LANE�(Age�67)
LAWLESS,�CLANE�(Age�31)
LAWLESS,�CONNIE�L�(Age�67)
LAWLESS,�PSTR�LANE

Possible Roommates / Associates:

MARTINEZ,�PORFIRIO
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Porfirio Martinez

Person ID
4881053    Sex
MALE    Race
WHITE    Height
509
Weight
135    Hair Color
Black    Eye Color
BROWN    Ethnic
UNKNOWN - CCH

Name

Name ID
11751407    Name
MARTINEZ,PORFIRIO

Alias Names

Name ID
11751405    Alias Name
MARTINEZ,P J

Name ID
11751406    Alias Name
MARTINEZ,P-J

Name ID
11751408    Alias Name
MARTINEZ,PORFIRIO III

Name ID
11751409    Alias Name
MARTINEZ,ROFIRIO

Birthdate(s)

Date of Birth ID
5212872    Person ID
4881053    Date of Birth Type
B    Date of Birth
1982-01-15 00:00:00.000

Individual Data

Individual ID
4881053    DPS Number
05604929

Photo


Individual ID
4881053    DPS No.
05604929    Risk

none found    SSZ Code

none found
SWD Code

none found    ERT Code

none found    ERD Date
2007-06-03 00:00:00.000    VRP Code

none found

Registration Event

Event ID
19401074    Event
Verification    Event Date
1996-06-03 01:00:00.000    ORI Text
TX2201200

Address Event

Address Event ID
8836930    PDV Code
Texas Resident

Address

Address ID
15692860    Street/P.O. Box Number
4225    Street Name
5TH AVE    Apartment No.
City
FT WORTH    Place Type
U.S. STATES    Place
Texas    ZIP Code
76115
County Code
TARRANT

Education Event

none found
License Event

none found
Occupation Event

Occupation Event ID
13719181    PDV Code
Value    Occupation ID
9314540

Occupation

Employer
MIDDLE LEVEL LEARNING CTR    Employer Address
   City
UNKNOWN    State
ZIP Code

Offense

Offense ID
2488052    Place Type
U.S. STATES    Place
Texas    Offense Code
36010001
Version No.
1    Out of State Code
TX    Out of State Offense
   General Offense Code
Dis. Flag
N    OST Code
JPO    CPR Code
1Y    CDD Date
1996-06-03 00:00:00.000
AOV No.
13    SOV Code
F

Offense Detail

Place Type
U.S. STATES    Place
Texas    Offense Code
36010001    Version No.
1
Offense Description
INDECENCY W/CHILD SEXUAL CONTACT    TXC Code
36010001    Status Code

A    Citation
21.11 (a)(1)
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« Reply #174 on: June 28, 2009, 05:03:15 PM »

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   MARTINEZ, PORFIRIO   Tracy, CA   

MARTINEZ SENDEN, MILDRED
RENTERIA, DOLORES
MARTINEZ, ANTONIO
MARTINEZ, MARY
MARTIN, SHANE M
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« Reply #175 on: June 30, 2009, 01:30:59 AM »

clifford and wife connie were married by A. A. Harris in Modesto Ca on July 9, 1960 He was also baptized this day by A. A. Harris

He was saved Wenatchee, Washington, In April of 1960. He was baptized July 9, 1960 by the authority of the Eastside Missionary Baptist Church of East Wenatchee.

He could have been baptized anywhere, it was by the "authority of" which I guess A.A.Harris was pastor.
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« Reply #176 on: June 30, 2009, 01:49:03 AM »

The Alisal was not accredited until 1982; Connie's brother knew CLL from the 50s, although DeWayne was not born until 1943 and CLL went in the Navy in 1950.  His whole history is very, very mucked up.


1981 - Lane lived in Salinas CA while receiving his theological education from the Alisal Baptist Institute Theological Seminary, received BA degree in religious studies; (by the way, Lane's education received ten years after he was ordained and had already pastored at least three churches)
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« Reply #177 on: July 01, 2009, 12:32:08 AM »

The Alisal was not accredited until 1982; Connie's brother knew CLL from the 50s, although DeWayne was not born until 1943 and CLL went in the Navy in 1950.  His whole history is very, very mucked up.


1981 - Lane lived in Salinas CA while receiving his theological education from the Alisal Baptist Institute Theological Seminary, received BA degree in religious studies; (by the way, Lane's education received ten years after he was ordained and had already pastored at least three churches)

Let's compare..
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Lawless, Clifford Lane

Lawless, Clifford Lane Lane was saved May 1960, and was baptized July 9, 1960, by the Eastside MBC in Stockton. He was called to preach April 6, 1971, and ordained August 20, 1971, by the Winton MBC.

He has pastored the following churches: Beacon MBC in Redding August 1971 to May 1973; Grace MBC of Gardena May 1973 to May 1974; Mission work in Eureka; the Mountain View, California, First Sovereign Grace Missionary Baptist Church in 1980. In 1981 the church in Tracy California merged with the Mountain View church and Brother Lawless continued as pastor with the church being called, Clover Road Missionary Baptist Church of Tracy, California. He is pastor to this day (2009).

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« Reply #178 on: July 01, 2009, 01:09:17 AM »

Where is Modesto in relationship to Stockton?
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« Reply #179 on: July 01, 2009, 01:12:41 AM »

Do we have any idea what CLL did to make a living when he and the Mrs. got married in 1960?  He didn't start preaching until 1971.  Then there seems to be a gap from 1974 to 1980.  Bio says mission work, but, how did he make a living for his family?
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