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« Reply #60 on: June 05, 2009, 03:37:39 PM »

Ok Here's something interesting... 
The link will not let me copy the text...
So check it out:
http://www.stocktoncourt.org/courts/news/People_v_Melissa_Huckaby_-_Court_Minute_Order_052209.pdf

On May 22, 2009 a document is filedwith the courts stating that a cadillac taken as evidence was returned to Collette Plummber.
I can find NOTHING on this person!  Is a fancy way of saying Jane Doe or what???

so this is a 1996 cadillac, who did they take that one from? 

they spell the name plummber, but the only one I find is plummer,

PLUMMER, COLLETTE M (Age 66)
 TRACY, CA
CASTRO VALLEY, CA
SAN LEANDRO, CA
STOCKTON, CA
PIONEER, CA
WEST COVINA, CA

Possible Relatives:

PLUMMER, SIDNEY C (Age 63)
PLUMMER, COLETTE M
FOWLER, LAURA JEAN (Age 53)
PLUMMER, WARREN DOUGLAS (Age 59) 




PLUMMER, WARREN DOUGLAS (Age 59)
  SAN LEANDRO, CA
PINE GROVE, CA there are 2 pine groves in cali, one is outside of jackson northeast of stockton /ione, the other is up outside of redding, shasta county
RENO, NV
SACRAMENTO, CA
PIONEER, CA pioneer is by the pine grove outside of jackson/ione, so the pine grove is probably that one,these are tiny mt towns

Possible Relatives:

PLUMMER, COLLETTE M (Age 66)
PLUMMER, SIDNEY C (Age 63)
FOWLER, LAURA JEAN (Age 53)
PLUMMER, GALYNN S (Age 57)
 
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« Reply #61 on: June 05, 2009, 03:37:56 PM »

Lone, thanks, I needed that.  What a beautiful picture.
DD, yes, I must confess I forged (I hope that statute of limitations has run out) a marriage certificate for a friend.  She wanted to see her boyfriend who was in jail, and the rule then was only family or spouse.  So I made her his spouse.  Lordy, if someone kept that and entered that info into a ledger/computer . . . how often when we're young we think no harm, no foul.
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« Reply #62 on: June 05, 2009, 03:39:23 PM »

Hey...
I gotta get to my daily tasks...
But I'll be back later!!
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« Reply #63 on: June 05, 2009, 03:42:16 PM »

Ok Here's something interesting... 
The link will not let me copy the text...
So check it out:
http://www.stocktoncourt.org/courts/news/People_v_Melissa_Huckaby_-_Court_Minute_Order_052209.pdf

On May 22, 2009 a document is filedwith the courts stating that a cadillac taken as evidence was returned to Collette Plummber.
I can find NOTHING on this person!  Is a fancy way of saying Jane Doe or what???

so this is a 1996 cadillac, who did they take that one from? 

they spell the name plummber, but the only one I find is plummer,

PLUMMER, COLLETTE M (Age 66)
 TRACY, CA
CASTRO VALLEY, CA
SAN LEANDRO, CA
STOCKTON, CA
PIONEER, CA
WEST COVINA, CA

Possible Relatives:

PLUMMER, SIDNEY C (Age 63)
PLUMMER, COLETTE M
FOWLER, LAURA JEAN (Age 53)
PLUMMER, WARREN DOUGLAS (Age 59) 




PLUMMER, WARREN DOUGLAS (Age 59)
  SAN LEANDRO, CA
PINE GROVE, CA there are 2 pine groves in cali, one is outside of jackson northeast of stockton /ione, the other is up outside of redding, shasta county
RENO, NV
SACRAMENTO, CA
PIONEER, CA pioneer is by the pine grove outside of jackson/ione, so the pine grove is probably that one,these are tiny mt towns

Possible Relatives:

PLUMMER, COLLETTE M (Age 66)
PLUMMER, SIDNEY C (Age 63)
FOWLER, LAURA JEAN (Age 53)
PLUMMER, GALYNN S (Age 57)
 
So maybe just a Type-O?
The doc says evidence AND a cadillac!  Wonder what else???
I'll be back later this afternoon...gotta get some work done other than monkey-work!
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« Reply #64 on: June 05, 2009, 03:44:29 PM »

Case of People v. Melissa Huckaby
filed 5/22/09
further arraingment (sp) today at 1 p.m. in San Joquina
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« Reply #65 on: June 05, 2009, 03:50:16 PM »

well I don't want to clutter up this thread so will just do a quick rundown
warren douglas plummer is born feb 15 1950 in sacrameto, mother nee name is bagley, he is born in alameda
he married Galynn S Sprott march 18, 1972 in alameda city
he's at these addresses in sacramento
290 03966c07 Eca #06159, Sacramento, California 95832-0801 (1993)
[1760 Neihart Av, Sacramento, California 95832-0701 (1993)]
[176 Neihert Av, Sacramento, California 95832

I don't know if this is the same person
Warren D Plummer
Address: 966 N Mitchner Av, Indianapolis, Indiana 46219-0801 (1992)

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now he is listed with colette m plummer

so who is her to collette.  and who did they take this car from ? her? or someone else who had it in her name?
If you want me to do a lot of work on this, we can start a new thread.
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« Reply #66 on: June 05, 2009, 03:50:54 PM »

DD, am about done for a while.  What towns are in Bailey County -- don't know Texas geography very well, in case I find a town reference.
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« Reply #67 on: June 05, 2009, 03:59:34 PM »

DD, am about done for a while.  What towns are in Bailey County -- don't know Texas geography very well, in case I find a town reference.

I'll find them and post them.

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« Reply #68 on: June 05, 2009, 04:15:55 PM »

okay under addresses brett is connected to I have him as being born in 1963, hopefully they put the right birth year LOL

Name: Brett A Lawless
Birth Date: 1963
Phone Number: 867-2947
Address: 6023 Graywood Av, Lakewood, California 90712-1101 (1992)
[14601 Liblen, Bellflower, California 90706-1101 (1988)]


at the graywood, lakewood address is
LAKEWOOD, CA
WHITTIER, CA
BELLFLOWER, CA

Possible Relatives:

LAWLESS, MARY ELISABETH (Age 45)




 LAKEWOOD, CA
WHITTIER, CA
PARAMOUNT, CA
BELLFLOWER, CA

Possible Relatives:

LAWLESS, BRETT ARTHUR (Age 45)
 
they are at the other address aslo, at both of these addresses there are a lot of other names listed, I won't post them all on this thread, but there are two that stick out

ROBERSON, EVELYN CHARLETTE (Age 77)
this one because of the last name roberson
LEONETTI, MAKIESA RASHAUN (Age 35)
this one because I saw this last name as a nee name to some lawless yesterday, now to find out where ugh

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« Reply #69 on: June 06, 2009, 02:19:02 AM »

okay I might be wrong about this, but I have looked and looked and looked, in every state, all over.

there is no marriage record for clifford or lane lawless and connie harris. 
there is no birth record for any clifford or lane lawless that would fit CLL
there is no cali birth record for their son brian lane lawless
according to brian l lawless' marriage to judy a purks he is born about 1961

they are married in august of 1980 and he is 19, so if he were born in october of 1960 he had not had his 20th birthday yet so he would be 19 if this is him below...
the only cali birth I find even remotely at all that might be it would be:

California Birth Index, 1905-1995
about Lane B Lawless
Name: Lane B Lawless
Birth Date: 26 Oct 1960
Gender: Male 
Mother's Maiden Name: Baker  
Birth County: Los Angeles

so IF this is him, he has a different mother, eithe CLL had a baby with someoe else, or he is adopted and named the lawless name.  OR this is not him.  but then where is his birth record?  was he born out of state on a visit somewhere?

lets go see if julie lawless and brett lawless have a birth record




are these the parents of the above brett lawless?

California Marriage Index, 1960-1985
about John E Lawless
Name: John E Lawless
Age: 28 
Est. Birth: abt 1932 
Spouse Name: Jean C Baker
Spouse Age: 19 
Est. Spouse Birth: abt 1941 
Date: 13 Feb 1960
Location: Imperial 
 
he would be born 8 1/2 months after they are married

just making a note, there was someone born in imperial also where is that at now

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« Reply #70 on: June 06, 2009, 02:19:47 AM »

ugh in the previous post I meant lane B lawless, not brett
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« Reply #71 on: June 06, 2009, 02:31:06 PM »

DD, will you do an enlistment record for Clifford Lane Laneless (may be just Lane)?  He went in the Navy in 1969 -- boy that doesn't make sense does it -- must be just Lane Lawless see post #369 on Blink original.
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« Reply #72 on: June 07, 2009, 12:05:11 AM »

DD, will you do an enlistment record for Clifford Lane Laneless (may be just Lane)?  He went in the Navy in 1969 -- boy that doesn't make sense does it -- must be just Lane Lawless see post #369 on Blink original.

I can't find him anywhere, I find his father and brother, but not him.  not clifford, not lane, not anyone that might be him. hmmm

it's possible I am missing it, but I can't find it.
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« Reply #73 on: June 07, 2009, 12:38:45 AM »

I think my mind is mush tonight...
Need coffee and a good night sleep!
I have 5 teenagers having a sleepover tonight!!!! Monkey Devil!
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« Reply #74 on: June 07, 2009, 01:03:27 AM »

I think my mind is mush tonight...
Need coffee and a good night sleep!
I have 5 teenagers having a sleepover tonight!!!! Monkey Devil!
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I have so many names in my head, that when I am looking for something on one person, I bump into something that goes with someone else, then I get distracted and get over on another line, and forget what I am doing 
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« Reply #75 on: June 07, 2009, 10:39:07 PM »

I posted this in the timothy thread, guess I should post it in the pastor lawless thread here


there are so many lawless lines now, I can't keep up with looking all this stuff up.  I have a pretty good idea of who is who for the most part but there are some really weird things going on with the CLL line.  Just too many things make no sense and there are too many non-existent records.  The only place he shows up as clifford lane lawless is on his addresses in tracy, still can't find a marriage record or birth records for his kids or military record for him. 

sometimes it states he is baptized in washington, sometimes stockton cali.  he is said to be married in modesto on the same day as baptized in washington, there is no marriage record in modesto, stanislaus county.  was said he was at the airport church in modesto, now they do not mention modesto at all and now he is baptized in stockton cali.  His records for going to school for ministry is all messed up, the dates don't jive at all.  Now he is ordained in Winton cali, in merced county, south of modesto.  He's all over the place from 1971-1981 and the areas he is in, on the dates he is there are pretty interesting to me.

his father remarried in 1955, he was 24 years old then IF he is born in 1931.  so he did not grow up with his step-mother, he grew up with his father and I am not sure when his mother left with supposedly "lucky louie".  his father is on the census as born in nebraska sometimes at other times he is born in north dakota.  he knows where his parent are bor sometimes, other times it states unknown.  his grandfather disappeared for 20 years, shows back up for a few months then disappears again.  his uncle disappears.  there are no tother kids but he and his brother and his mother is young, and his father does not remarry until he is old, so why are there no other kids.  I can't find clifford lane lawless anywhere with these people other than some news articles and his own info he put out there on his addresses. 

I'm going to get his dates of where he was at when, and see what all is going on at the time.  I think it will be very interesting.
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« Reply #76 on: June 08, 2009, 01:36:25 PM »

I posted this in the timothy thread, guess I should post it in the pastor lawless thread here


there are so many lawless lines now, I can't keep up with looking all this stuff up.  I have a pretty good idea of who is who for the most part but there are some really weird things going on with the CLL line.  Just too many things make no sense and there are too many non-existent records.  The only place he shows up as clifford lane lawless is on his addresses in tracy, still can't find a marriage record or birth records for his kids or military record for him. 

sometimes it states he is baptized in washington, sometimes stockton cali.  he is said to be married in modesto on the same day as baptized in washington, there is no marriage record in modesto, stanislaus county.  was said he was at the airport church in modesto, now they do not mention modesto at all and now he is baptized in stockton cali.  His records for going to school for ministry is all messed up, the dates don't jive at all.  Now he is ordained in Winton cali, in merced county, south of modesto.  He's all over the place from 1971-1981 and the areas he is in, on the dates he is there are pretty interesting to me.

his father remarried in 1955, he was 24 years old then IF he is born in 1931.  so he did not grow up with his step-mother, he grew up with his father and I am not sure when his mother left with supposedly "lucky louie".  his father is on the census as born in nebraska sometimes at other times he is born in north dakota.  he knows where his parent are bor sometimes, other times it states unknown.  his grandfather disappeared for 20 years, shows back up for a few months then disappears again.  his uncle disappears.  there are no tother kids but he and his brother and his mother is young, and his father does not remarry until he is old, so why are there no other kids.  I can't find clifford lane lawless anywhere with these people other than some news articles and his own info he put out there on his addresses. 

I'm going to get his dates of where he was at when, and see what all is going on at the time.  I think it will be very interesting.

I really appreciate this explanation DD!
You are very good at that!!!
After reading and thinking about what you wrote....
I really wonder about "Clifford Lane Lawless"....
I really wonder if this is a fake identity?!
IS Gary Lawless Sr. a wanted sex offender?
If he is ...
I really wonder if Lane and Gary are not the same person???

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« Reply #77 on: June 08, 2009, 02:12:49 PM »

Here's some more photos of the Pastor and the Lawless Clan...

2 of the Pastor's 3 children - Joni & Brian


Melissa's Mom & Dad - Brian & Judy Lawless



Brett Lawless


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« Reply #78 on: June 08, 2009, 02:15:47 PM »

I cannot see Melissa's mom Judy very clearly in the above pics...
But from what I can see...
Melissa does not look like them to me...
I wonder where she got such dark wavy hair from???  The woman in the photo witht he baby in the Timothy Lawless thread looks more related to Melissa than do her parents, imo.
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« Reply #79 on: June 08, 2009, 02:21:06 PM »

Brian & Judy Lawless (MH parents)

Brian - Dad (guess that's where she gets that odd forehead from)


Melissa


Tim and Marie Gomes

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