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« Reply #140 on: June 18, 2009, 02:47:29 PM »

there is his first wife's name, how did we miss that for so long LOL ... so much info you just can't absorb all of this at once. 

ok we have her name.  I guess she had no kids?  they listed george/her husband as preceding her in death; you would think they would have listed in children who also preceded her in death.  And there are none listed as living, so did she not have any children ever?  or for some reason do they just not mention them? 

her name is ester cupery.

and at the time of this article LANE lawless is in Ephrata.  Where is that? 

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This isn't the Esther Lawless you ALL did so much work on in the Timothy Lawless connection is it?
I saw her name last night whilst looking for the dairy lawsuit for Sister...
Which BTW, I have had NO luck finding...
But I DO remember reading about it, I think! 
I think Love posted it!  But Where?????  LOL...
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« Reply #141 on: June 18, 2009, 02:55:36 PM »

okay found ephrata

it is in washington about 73 miles SE of Wenatchee and about 82 miles south of brewster.  And it is about 7 miles SW of soap lake.  There are some of his relatives listed in Soap Lake. 
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« Reply #142 on: June 18, 2009, 03:00:32 PM »

I know what you mean, DD!!!
I think there is actually a LOT compiled in our *stacks*...
Now it's a matter of finding it and putting it all together!!!

yes, I believe there is a LOT of info in these threads we have posted that we found something, was in a hurry and just copied and posted it while we were doing something else, then never went back to look at it again.  Or... it meant nothing at the time we posted it, but now that we are more familiar with who is who etc, it will mean something but we don't remember it is here. 

I really need to go update the main genealogy threads in the no discussion are, because I have a lot more info now that adds to that, and there are a couple of things which need to be confirmed that I had not added at the time because I was not sure, and there are also a couple of errors that were in databases but now that I have the real records etc, I know they were errors. 

I will try to get everything added in and any errors corrected and then update the lines.  Maybe we will see more connections if we have more to work with all sorted. 
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« Reply #143 on: June 18, 2009, 03:01:44 PM »

there is his first wife's name, how did we miss that for so long LOL ... so much info you just can't absorb all of this at once. 

ok we have her name.  I guess she had no kids?  they listed george/her husband as preceding her in death; you would think they would have listed in children who also preceded her in death.  And there are none listed as living, so did she not have any children ever?  or for some reason do they just not mention them? 

her name is ester cupery.

and at the time of this article LANE lawless is in Ephrata.  Where is that? 

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This isn't the Esther Lawless you ALL did so much work on in the Timothy Lawless connection is it?
I saw her name last night whilst looking for the dairy lawsuit for Sister...
Which BTW, I have had NO luck finding...
But I DO remember reading about it, I think! 
I think Love posted it!  But Where?????  LOL...


hmm I don't remember esther lawless with timothy LOL   omg once I switch to some other line I forget about the other ones.  Who is esther lawless in the timothy line? 
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« Reply #144 on: June 18, 2009, 03:21:23 PM »

there is his first wife's name, how did we miss that for so long LOL ... so much info you just can't absorb all of this at once. 

ok we have her name.  I guess she had no kids?  they listed george/her husband as preceding her in death; you would think they would have listed in children who also preceded her in death.  And there are none listed as living, so did she not have any children ever?  or for some reason do they just not mention them? 

her name is ester cupery.

and at the time of this article LANE lawless is in Ephrata.  Where is that? 

DD
This isn't the Esther Lawless you ALL did so much work on in the Timothy Lawless connection is it?
I saw her name last night whilst looking for the dairy lawsuit for Sister...
Which BTW, I have had NO luck finding...
But I DO remember reading about it, I think! 
I think Love posted it!  But Where?????  LOL...


hmm I don't remember esther lawless with timothy LOL   omg once I switch to some other line I forget about the other ones.  Who is esther lawless in the timothy line? 

more information on Clifford Lane Lawless

living in San Jose at least from Sept 1976 - Sept 1979
Quad-City Herald Sept 9, 1976
Lane Lawless of San Jose, California, was here last week visiting Esther Lawless

Quad-City Herald Sept 6, 1979
Mr. and Mrs. Lane Lawless, Brian, Brett and Joni of San Jose, California, have been visiting Eshter Lawless.
They took a trip up the Nethow for a few days, and celebrated Lane's birthday with the Ted Huckabee family.



graduated from Brewster HS in 1950

Was on debate team at brewster High School
Quad-City Herald - Feb 7, 1980

Religious Background Information

clifford lane lawless studied under A. A. Harris

clifford's wife Connie is the daughter of A. A. and Irene Harris.

clifford and wife connie were married by A. A. Harris in Modesto Ca on July 9, 1960 He was also baptized this day by A. A. Harris

He was saved Wenatchee, Washington, In April of 1960. He was baptized July 9, 1960 by the authority of the Eastside Missionary Baptist Church of East Wenatchee. Elder A.A. Harris administered the ordinance



so he was baptized in wanachee wa the same day he was married in modesto CA?______________________________



more information on Paul George Lawless (Brother of Clifford Lane Lawless)

Paul George Lawless ( Brother of Clifford Lane Lawless)
Born: 24 Jan 1927
Died: 26 Mar 1997



P. George Lawless ( Brother of Clifford Lane Lawless)

1930 United States Federal Census
Name: P George Lawless
Home in 1930: Brewster, Okanogan, Washington
Age: 3
Estimated Birth Year: abt 1926
Relation to Head of House: Son
Father's Name: George W Lawless
Mother's Name: Jessie G
Race: White
Occupation:

Education:

Military service:

Rent/home value:

Age at first marriage:

Parents' birthplace:
father George W Lawless born North Dakota
his parents born Unknown in USA
Occupation of George W Lawless - electrician
George W Lawless is a War Veteran

Mother, Jesse G. Dicus born In Washington
her father b. in Iowa, her mother b. Canada/English

Neighbors: 1930 census
Rawley Family
Lamberton Family


Household Members:
Name Age
George W Lawless 37
Jessie G Lawless 24
P George Lawless 3 4/12



Death Record For Paul George LawlessPaul Lawless
SSN: 531-30-7260
Last Residence: 20781 Hyattsville, Prince Georges, Maryland, United States of America
Born: 24 Jan 1927
Died: 26 Mar 1997
State (Year) SSN issued: Washington (Before 1951)


military for George Paul Lawless/Paul George Lawless
U.S. World War II Army Enlistment Records, 1938-1946
about George P Lawless
Name: George P Lawless
Birth Year: 1927
Race: White, citizen (White)
Nativity State or Country: Washington
State of Residence: Washington
County or City: Okanogan

Enlistment Date: 20 Jun 1945
Enlistment State: Washington
Enlistment City: Fort Lewis
Branch: No branch assignment
Branch Code: No branch assignment
Grade Code: Private
Term of Enlistment: Enlistment for the duration of the War or other emergency, plus six months, subject to the discretion of the President or otherwise according to law
Component: Selectees (Enlisted Men)
Source: Civil Life

Education: 4 years of high school
Marital Status: Single, without dependents


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« Reply #145 on: June 18, 2009, 03:25:19 PM »

More information on Esther Luretta Lawless (Step-Mother of Clifford Lane Lawless)

Esther Luretta Lawless
born October 23, 1897 Rome, Wisconsin
died/ Sacred Medical Center Spokane
Living in Brewster wa
member of Sacred Heart Roman Catholic church and the Altar Society.
she followed the seasonal fruit harvest
funeral-wednesday, jan 26, 1983 10 am
sacred heart roman catholic church.
rosary services hel tuesday jan 25, 1983 8pm barnes chapel rev joe bell officiating,
intermet brewster cemetery. barnes chapel, brewster in charge of arrangmets.

ESTHER LAWLESS
23 Oct 1897
Jan 1983
98812 (Brewster, Okanogan, WA)
556-05-7334
California first issue SS#

From DD:
living in San Jose at least from Sept 1976 - Sept 1979
Quad-City Herald Sept 9, 1976
Lane Lawless of San Jose, California, was here last week visiting Esther Lawless

Quad-City Herald Sept 6, 1979
Mr. and Mrs. Lane Lawless, Brian, Brett and Joni of San Jose, California, have been visiting Eshter Lawless.
They took a trip up the Nethow for a few days, and celebrated Lane's birthday with the Ted Huckabee family.
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« Reply #146 on: June 18, 2009, 03:29:56 PM »

yes the above esther lawless with clifford lane lawless is esther cupery

she married CLL's father and she is the step mother of CLL and his diseased brother paul george lawless. 

but I don't know of any esther lawless with the timothy lawless line?  is there one?
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« Reply #147 on: June 18, 2009, 03:30:41 PM »

okay I got to thinking again.  uh oh... 

anyway.. look at this...
George Webster lawless, father of CLL.  married Jessie grace dicus.
they have 2 boys. 
paul george lawless born 1927
CCL born 1931
Jessie is 21 yrs old when paul george is born
Jessie is 24 yrs old when CLL is born.

In 1955 george the father of CLL marries Esther Luretta Unknown
this is 24 years after CLL is born, when Jessie the mother is 24yrs old.

Don't you think jessie must have more children after she is 24 years old?
And when is she no longer with george webster Lawless the father of CLL?

are there other lawless children by Jessie that we are missing?  and did she remarry, did she die, what?
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« Reply #148 on: June 18, 2009, 03:33:18 PM »

I don't know if Esther and Timothy are related....
(*Hey...what if Timothy and Melissa had a baby together*) Monkey Devil!
This is just the info I knew we already had...b/c I have been searching for the dairy lawsuit fro Sister.
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« Reply #149 on: June 18, 2009, 03:35:20 PM »

okay I got to thinking again.  uh oh... 

anyway.. look at this...
George Webster lawless, father of CLL.  married Jessie grace dicus.
they have 2 boys. 
paul george lawless born 1927
CCL born 1931
Jessie is 21 yrs old when paul george is born
Jessie is 24 yrs old when CLL is born.

In 1955 george the father of CLL marries Esther Luretta Unknown
this is 24 years after CLL is born, when Jessie the mother is 24yrs old.

Don't you think jessie must have more children after she is 24 years old?
And when is she no longer with george webster Lawless the father of CLL?

are there other lawless children by Jessie that we are missing?  and did she remarry, did she die, what?
Do we know what happened to Lane's mom?
Did she re-marry and become Sadie?
Was she put in a mental hospital by George for a while?
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« Reply #150 on: June 18, 2009, 04:48:22 PM »

So could this Luanne Lawless be the *Lawless Forger*???

I just found this.  Loks like we are working the same puzzle piece???????

http://news.google.com/newspapers?

id=zq4MAAAAIBAJ&sjid=i2MDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6343,295561&dq=lawless
Quad City Herald Aug 5, 1982

Family picnic in backyard of Don and Betty Johnson in Brewster. Present were Nancy and Nick Pizzaitola, Seattle; Jerry and Luann Lawless and Ein, Wenatchee; and Tom and Carleen Sheperd, Sarah and Judd and Bill Lawless, all of Brewster.
Jerry Lawless and Luann Campbell were married July 23 at Coeur d'Alene. There will be a reception for them Saturday evening, August 7, at the Wenatchee Convention Center.
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« Reply #151 on: June 18, 2009, 04:51:19 PM »

Hey Monkeys get a load of all the aliases for Louann Lawless and not one of them is Campbell   

US Search people search
Luanne Lawless

http://preview.ussearch.com/preview/ala/newsearch?&searchLName=LAWLESS&searchFName=LUANN&adID=145-0000000017&adsource=145&TID=0&searchtab=people&sourceid=2466461

Luanne Fox
Luanne D Fox
Luanna Lacei
Luanna D Lacei
Luanna Dee Lacei
Luanne D Lacei
Luwanna Lacei
Lauanne Lawless
Luane Lawless
Luanna Lawless
Luanne Lawless
Luanne D Lawless
Luanne Warner
Luanne D Warner
age  51
East Wenatchee , WA
Spokane , WA
Newhall , CA
Wenatchee , WA
Orondo , WA
Wrangell , AK

Intellius
http://www.intelius.com/search-summary-out.php?ReportType=1&&PHPSESSID=523ab235e0f9c05afd8d413256e782ed
Luanne D Lawless
View Details
 51  E Wenatchee, WA
Wenatchee, WA
Whittier, CA
East Wenatchee, WA
Oroville, WA       
Luanne D Lawless
Gerry D Lawless
Kai A.r. Lawless
Gerald D Lawless 

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« Reply #152 on: June 18, 2009, 05:01:47 PM »

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   LAWLESS, LUANNE   D
Age: 51

Associated names:
FOX, LUANNE
LACEI, LUANNA D
LACEI, LUANNE D

E WENATCHEE, WA
EAST WENATCHEE, WA
WHITTIER, CA
WENATCHEE, WA


      
Possible Relatives:
    * FOX, RANDALL  LAMOINE (Age 51)
    * LAWLESS, GERALD  D (Age 58)
    * FOX, COREY  LYNN (Age 42)
    * FOX, CONSUELA (Age 64)
    * LAWLESS, KAI  A (Age 22)
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Washington Department of Corrections, WA (more info...)

PERSONAL INFORMATION
Luanne Dee Lawless.

Full Name:     Luanne Dee Lawless    Date of Birth:     08/15/1957
AKAs:       Height:     5'8"
Weight:     110 LBS
Hair Color:     BROWN
Eye Color:     BROWN
Race:     WHITE
Gender:     Female

ADDRESSES
      

T CRIMINAL OFFENSE 1
Offense Date:         

Case Number:    962465
Offense Type:    Fraud
Offense Code:    
Offense Description:    FORGERY FORGERY
Date Reported:    
   
T CRIMINAL OFFENSE 2
Offense Date:         
Case Number:    962465
Offense Type:    Fraud
Offense Code:    
Offense Description:    OTHER FELONY FORGERY
Date Reported:    
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« Reply #154 on: June 18, 2009, 05:10:39 PM »

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Forgery

The business world relies heavily on the production and exchange of legitimate documents to express legal rights and obligations, prove important facts, and exchange vital information. When these documents are falsified in any way, a crime known as forgery, social order and stability are challenged. Forgery is any act involving the making, altering or possessing of illegitimate or false documents which are intended to deceive or defraud another person or organization. Forgery of written information in the business world is committed in order to cheat a person, company, or government organization out of goods, services, money, or even information.

Fraud and forgery are similar offenses, both of which are carried out to deceive another and seek some gain that their expense. Fraud, however, is a crime that typically involves general intent, while forgery involves a specific purpose and a specific mental state (mens reas). For forgery to be a criminal act, the person must have committed forgery with the intent to deceive or defraud another. Forgery is considered a felony crime by the federal government and all fifty states. A person convicted of forgery can face heavy penalties including incarceration, heavy fines, probation, community service, the loss of some civil privileges and more.

Forgery can involve the false making of anything handwritten, typewritten, computer generated, printed or engraved from scratch that is intended to defraud. Forgery can also involve significant material alteration of a genuine document. This can include forgery involving false signatures or improperly filling out forms. A document is considered forgery if it looks authentic enough to deceive a reasonable person. It must also have some legal significance in order to be considered unlawful. Forgery also includes the possession of any forged document or forgery device with knowledge of its purpose.

Forgery is commonly committed in order to defraud the government or a business, to accomplish identity theft or the falsification of one's identity. False or altered identification documents are a common type of forgery. Identification documents, like passports and driver's licenses, may be forged in order to alter immigration or citizenship status, age, status or special authority, or to steal another's identity. Any alteration or creation of false government documents is also considered a serious forgery offence. Forgery against a business can involve false sales receipts, false employee documents, or any other false documentation intended to fool another party.

Forgery is a serious felony offence that is typically classified based on the severity of the crime. Every state has established laws regarding forgery offenses. While the laws can vary by state, first degree forgery involves the actual presentation/use of any falsely made, altered or possessed document with the intent to deceive or defraud, while forgery in the second degree does not require use or presentation of the documents. A forgery conviction can result in up to ten years in prison, heavy fines, and more. If you would like to learn more about forgery, please contact us to speak with a qualified and experienced criminal defense attorney who can evaluate your case to determine how best to protect and maximize your legal interests.



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« Reply #155 on: June 18, 2009, 05:16:43 PM »

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So, Miss Luanne lived all of about 5 hours from Tracy when she was in Whittier, CA!


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(Age 51)

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« Reply #156 on: June 18, 2009, 05:24:58 PM »

I think I'll start a Luanne Lawless thread so I don't clutter Pastor Lane's!
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« Reply #157 on: June 18, 2009, 06:01:43 PM »



Note that in the Obit it states that Lane's dad was a member of the Odd Fellows...
Remember the IOOF cemtery - (Independent Order of Odd Fellows) is right across the street on Lawless Lane in Grants Pass, Oregon where Lawless Roofing is located!
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« Reply #158 on: June 18, 2009, 06:06:29 PM »

okay I got to thinking again.  uh oh... 

anyway.. look at this...
George Webster lawless, father of CLL.  married Jessie grace dicus.
they have 2 boys. 
paul george lawless born 1927
CCL born 1931
Jessie is 21 yrs old when paul george is born
Jessie is 24 yrs old when CLL is born.

In 1955 george the father of CLL marries Esther Luretta Unknown
this is 24 years after CLL is born, when Jessie the mother is 24yrs old.

Don't you think jessie must have more children after she is 24 years old?
And when is she no longer with george webster Lawless the father of CLL?

are there other lawless children by Jessie that we are missing?  and did she remarry, did she die, what?
Do we know what happened to Lane's mom?
Did she re-marry and become Sadie?
Was she put in a mental hospital by George for a while?

she is suppose to have married "lucky louie"  whoever that is  Monkey Devil!

she shows up at some of the get-togethers posted in the news articles.  George Lawless remarries in 1955

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« Reply #159 on: June 19, 2009, 02:35:13 AM »

So could this Luanne Lawless be the *Lawless Forger*???

I just found this.  Loks like we are working the same puzzle piece???????

http://news.google.com/newspapers?

id=zq4MAAAAIBAJ&sjid=i2MDAAAAIBAJ&pg=6343,295561&dq=lawless
Quad City Herald Aug 5, 1982

Family picnic in backyard of Don and Betty Johnson in Brewster. Present were Nancy and Nick Pizzaitola, Seattle; Jerry and Luann Lawless and Ein, Wenatchee; and Tom and Carleen Sheperd, Sarah and Judd and Bill Lawless, all of Brewster.
Jerry Lawless and Luann Campbell were married July 23 at Coeur d'Alene. There will be a reception for them Saturday evening, August 7, at the Wenatchee Convention Center.

Yes, this is the forger
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