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« Reply #520 on: March 05, 2010, 05:30:21 AM »

Here is a link to a radio interview by one of JAG's relatives. It is not good news. I think there will be other victims.

http://www.kfi640.com/mediaplayer/?station=KFI-AM&action=ondemand&item=17950831&feed_name=JohnandKen.xml

This is a long interview and it is 2:30 am so I have not been able to hear it all. What I have heard is horrible and distressing. JAG drove a gold sedan until a month ago when he crashed it. The gold Sedan was seen in Jesmond Dene park in Escondido. There is much more. You all need to hear the interview.
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« Reply #521 on: March 05, 2010, 09:25:29 AM »

  as usual, it won't load for me
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« Reply #522 on: March 05, 2010, 11:44:07 AM »

as usual, it won't load for me


Nut does nothing happen at all?  Then it might be a popup blocker or security setting.

Here's what I transcribed from the radio interview:



Thanks for the link, I took some notes from the John & Ken show when they interviewed an interview with one of John's male relatives:

  • Relative said as far as what JAG was like, you see what you want to see
  • Of the conviction in 2000.  Said JAG's story was that the girl came on to him.  That she skipped school and came to his place.  That she was the aggressor and that he didn't actually rape her which is true, he fondled her and beat her.  Said that nobody in the family with the exception maybe of the mom, was aware of the psychiatric evaluation.
  • Asked looking back if there were clues - he said, yes plenty.  As a very young kid (7-8) he was prone to violence.  He recalled a time where at age 7-8 he got into a violent fight with another kidm while this relative was babysitting.  That JAG has always been immature and impulsive.  This relative believes there may be other victims.  That every dot needs to be connected.
  • Up until about a month ago JAG drove a gold pontiac.  It crashed a month ago and is likely in an impound yard
  • JAG's current girlfriend has a back honda that is missing a rear bumper that he had access to
  • When he got out of prison in 2005 he was on probation until September 2008.  From when he got out until Sept 2008 he had an ankle GPS monitor
  • Jobs - he is a journeyman electrician but he does all kinds of construction work and up until recently had work but lost his job recently.  He did all kinds of construction including laying concrete etc
  • Relative believes that the mom has been in DENIAL about JAG
  • As far as relative knows, no big trauma in childhood.  BIO dad died last year but hadn't really been in his life.  Only real father figure was stepdad in Lake Arrowhead/Running Springs.  That stepdad is probably the reason JAG made it through HS.
  • Asked if he believes JAG could be involved with Amber Dubois.  He says he is a man of science and hopefully DNA will tell the story.  He said everything needs to be looked into.
  • On 2/17/2010 this relative went to the Grandma's house in Lake Elsinore to tell JAG to leave.  They needed to get Grandma to the hospital.  On 2/19/2010 they took Grandma to hospital in Palomar and on 2/20/2010 JAG left Elsinore and and came down to Escondido area to his mom's townhouse
  • Relative was asked to get JAG out of Elsinore home but didn't explain why except to say JAG wasn't suppose to be there
  • On Sunday 2/28 the FBI was at the house in Elsinore and questioned this relative.  The FBI has asked this relative not to relay information he gave to FBI so this relative has to be careful about what he says.
  • Told FBI about timelines and what vehicles that JAG had access to.
  • Relative believes that JAG's actions have something to do with his relationship to his mom


That's all I got 
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« Reply #523 on: March 05, 2010, 11:46:52 AM »

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/05/police-hopeful-that-arrest-will-aid-amber-dubois/

Police hope arrest will aid Amber Dubois case

By J. Harry Jones, UNION-TRIBUNE STAFF WRITER

Friday, March 5, 2010 at 12:04 a.m.

The arrest of John Albert Gardner III has given Escondido police renewed hope in the disappearance last year of Amber Dubois, but without witnesses or a body, they could still be a long way from solving the case.

“Every time a tip or a lead comes in that seems the least bit substantial, it gives us hope,” Lt. Craig Carter said yesterday. “I would put this as just another one of those leads, where we have hope that it is something that can pan out for us, and maybe somebody will remember something that will bring this case to closure.”

Gardner, a registered sex offender from Lake Elsinore, was charged this week in the slaying of 17-year-old Chelsea King. The Poway High School senior went missing Feb. 25 while going for a run in Rancho Bernardo Community Park. Her body was found Tuesday.

In a new development yesterday, police are investigating a report that two preteen girls were followed by a man in a black car near Bernardo Heights Middle School the day before Chelsea’s disappearance. A law enforcement source said the incident occurred about 3:30 p.m. Feb. 24. The man was reportedly spooked by another vehicle, and when he drove off, the girls ran home and called police.

The source asked not to be named because the District Attorney’s Office has asked all local law enforcement agencies not to talk about Gardner so as not to risk jeopardizing its case against him.

Gardner, 30, is also a suspect or person of interest in two other cases: an attempted abduction in Lake Elsinore and an attack on a jogger in Rancho Bernardo.
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POSSIBLY CONNECTED CASES

John Albert Gardner III is associated with the following cases:

Feb. 13, 2009, Escondido police: Amber Dubois, 14, disappeared while walking to Escondido High School. Person of interest.

Oct. 28, Riverside County Sheriff’s Department: A 16-year-old girl in Lake Elsinore was threatened with a gun by a man who told her to get in his car about 7:10 a.m. She refused and ran away. Person of interest.

Dec. 27, San Diego police: A 22-year-old female jogger was attacked about 10:30 a.m. at Rancho Bernardo Community Park. She struck back at her assailant and got away. Charged.

Feb. 24, San Diego police: Two young girls, one 11, was menaced by a man following them in his car about 3:30 p.m. near Bernardo Heights Middle School. He was scared away by another vehicle and drove off. Person of interest.

Feb. 25, San Diego County Sheriff’s Department: Chelsea King, 17, disappeared after going for a run at Rancho Bernardo Community Park. Her body was found five days later. Charged.
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« Reply #524 on: March 05, 2010, 12:31:57 PM »

Thank you for posting the interview with the relative. It sure doesn't shock me if the mom was in denial. It is amazing how quickly a parent goes into it when something is wrong with their child. I deal with it all of the time and it is frustrating to no end. However, in California there are other sources to help the child such as school or doctors. It is not left up to the parents soley and mainly for that reason. There are many people responsible for this man walking the streets.

So he had an ankle bracelet on until 2008. So we need to look at cases prior to his arrest in 2000 and then from September 2008. So that is why they are going back just 18 months, should have thought of that. Maybe Edward was posting a clue when he was talking about this, anyway didn't think of it.

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« Reply #525 on: March 05, 2010, 12:51:02 PM »

He could have pulled up to Amber smiled (he does have a nice smile) and ask her for direction. She could have been about to give him directions and he held a gun at her and told her to get in the car. I think she would have gotten in the car.

They need to check tow yards to see if the car is still there. I don't know how long they keep wrecked cars.

Also depending on how ill his grandmother was, his mother could have been in Lake Elsinore last year in February caring for her mother. JAG could have been staying at his mothers watching the house at the time.
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« Reply #526 on: March 05, 2010, 01:57:08 PM »

Hi everyone

  Yes I am reading and hanging around ..Just thinking and reading.
The ankle monitor appears to be off him when Amber walks to school on February 13 2009.
Lots of information is coming to light and I must spend my time reading that info and all of your excellent thoughts before I can disseminate idea's ..

I believe this is the right guy in Amber's case. Amber's mom does not think so. I respect her thoughts. I still have to read and educate myself.
 

 
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« Reply #527 on: March 05, 2010, 02:21:42 PM »

Tip Leads To All-Out Search Of Kit Carson Park

POSTED: 10:39 am PST March 5, 2010
UPDATED: 11:05 am PST March 5, 2010


SAN DIEGO -- Escondido police are searching Kit Carson park after a phone call described a find by two boys less than 10 miles from where high school student Amber Dubois disappeared in 2009.

The boys discovered a bag of hair in the park in May of 2009. The boys told their parents what they saw but the parents didn't think anything of it until the recent Chelsea King investigation.

Escondido police received the call yesterday and told 10News that they plan to conduct a search throughout the day.   

Amber Dubois disappeared less than 10 miles away from the park on Feb. 13, 2009, on her way to Escondido High School.

Stay with 10News and 10News.com for the latest on this developing story.


http://www.10news.com/news/22754484/detail.html?treets=sand&tml=sand_break&ts=T&tmi=sand_break_1_01000103052010
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« Reply #528 on: March 05, 2010, 02:22:38 PM »

Thank you for posting the interview with the relative. It sure doesn't shock me if the mom was in denial. It is amazing how quickly a parent goes into it when something is wrong with their child. I deal with it all of the time and it is frustrating to no end. However, in California there are other sources to help the child such as school or doctors. It is not left up to the parents soley and mainly for that reason. There are many people responsible for this man walking the streets.

So he had an ankle bracelet on until 2008. So we need to look at cases prior to his arrest in 2000 and then from September 2008. So that is why they are going back just 18 months, should have thought of that. Maybe Edward was posting a clue when he was talking about this, anyway didn't think of it.



Because we have a second home in the Lake Arrowhead area, I have heard many things relating to the schools up there. It is my understanding that the schools are very good. There are so many people like us who have second homes up there and have to pay school taxes, that I believe that the school has the money available for many resources. Lake Arrowhead is an upper class, family oriented town. It will be really hard for JAG's lawyers to claim that the schools up there failed him somehow. My guess is that they tried to do everything possible to help JAG and his mother just did not want to see her son's issues.
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« Reply #529 on: March 05, 2010, 02:25:59 PM »

Tip Leads To All-Out Search Of Kit Carson Park

POSTED: 10:39 am PST March 5, 2010
UPDATED: 11:05 am PST March 5, 2010


SAN DIEGO -- Escondido police are searching Kit Carson park after a phone call described a find by two boys less than 10 miles from where high school student Amber Dubois disappeared in 2009.

The boys discovered a bag of hair in the park in May of 2009. The boys told their parents what they saw but the parents didn't think anything of it until the recent Chelsea King investigation.

Escondido police received the call yesterday and told 10News that they plan to conduct a search throughout the day.   

Amber Dubois disappeared less than 10 miles away from the park on Feb. 13, 2009, on her way to Escondido High School.

Stay with 10News and 10News.com for the latest on this developing story.


http://www.10news.com/news/22754484/detail.html?treets=sand&tml=sand_break&ts=T&tmi=sand_break_1_01000103052010

Whether this is anything or not, relating to Amber or anyone else, I am so glad to see citizens calling in these tips!
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« Reply #530 on: March 05, 2010, 02:33:32 PM »

Hi everyone

  Yes I am reading and hanging around ..Just thinking and reading.
The ankle monitor appears to be off him when Amber walks to school on February 13 2009.
Lots of information is coming to light and I must spend my time reading that info and all of your excellent thoughts before I can disseminate idea's ..

I believe this is the right guy in Amber's case. Amber's mom does not think so. I respect her thoughts. I still have to read and educate myself.
 

 

So glad you are still here Edward.  I believe this is the right guy as well. I would like nothing more than to be wrong but my gut is telling me it is him.   If you go to Chelsea's thread I have tracked mom through real estate purchases from 1993 forward but have no idea where they came from before. 
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« Reply #531 on: March 05, 2010, 02:38:17 PM »

A large park that features 100 developed and 185 undeveloped acres, with features including beautiful walking and hiking trails, lighted tennis courts, lighted softball fields, lighted soccer fields, three ponds, a fitness course, children's playground, a five acre arboretum, and a 3,000 seat amphitheater.

http://local.yahoo.com/info-42861492-kit-carson-park-escondido;_ylt=AqZYAY.GBX3xAbG5qfCgL0aKNcIF;_ylv=3?viewtype=map

Right along side of hwy 15..

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« Reply #532 on: March 05, 2010, 02:47:12 PM »

Driving directions to Kit Carson Park 3 ways to get there all around 15 mins.

8.5 mi – about 12 mins
Suggested routes
I-15 S
8.5 mi 12 mins
 
N Escondido Blvd
5.8 mi 15 mins
 
Bear Valley Pkwy
7.1 mi 16 mins
 
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« Reply #533 on: March 05, 2010, 02:48:29 PM »

Registered sex offender John Albert Gardner III, the suspect in the rape and murder of Chelsea King, was contacted by Escondido police at least eight times since January 2008, far more times than usual, it was reported today.

http://www.10news.com/news/22750621/detail.html

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« Reply #534 on: March 05, 2010, 02:49:46 PM »

Thanks Northern Rose for the photo of the map..

Thank you everyone for your great hard work and efforts made.
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« Reply #535 on: March 05, 2010, 02:49:48 PM »

Hi everyone

  Yes I am reading and hanging around ..Just thinking and reading.
The ankle monitor appears to be off him when Amber walks to school on February 13 2009.
Lots of information is coming to light and I must spend my time reading that info and all of your excellent thoughts before I can disseminate idea's ..

I believe this is the right guy in Amber's case. Amber's mom does not think so. I respect her thoughts. I still have to read and educate myself.
 

 

Carrie has been such a strong person throughout this whole horrific ordeal. I think that so much of her strength has come from believing that Amber is still alive and searching for any and every clue that might help to find her. She is not going to believe that this is related until she sees concrete proof. I can totally understand that. I too have believed in my heart that Amber is still alive. I feel sick right now, just sick as it is looking more and more like it "might" be related to JAG and I never even met Amber. Can you imagine what her mother must be feeling right now? Please say a prayer for Carrie and her family and Chelseas' family and all of the families who have to go through a nightmare like this because we have assinine laws that care more about the rights of predators than the rights of victims!
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« Reply #536 on: March 05, 2010, 02:52:24 PM »

By the way Edward, thank you for talking to Carrie through this nightmare! She needs you and everyone else to be her strength right now!
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« Reply #537 on: March 05, 2010, 02:53:49 PM »

Driving directions to Kit Carson Park 3 ways to get there all around 15 mins.

8.5 mi – about 12 mins
Suggested routes
I-15 S
8.5 mi 12 mins
 
N Escondido Blvd
5.8 mi 15 mins
 
Bear Valley Pkwy
7.1 mi 16 mins
 

Northern Rose you are the best!
If JAG did leave something in that park, it would be right on his way to his mother's house!
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« Reply #538 on: March 05, 2010, 02:55:01 PM »

Tracygirl,
If you are still out there, you have nanners!
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« Reply #539 on: March 05, 2010, 02:57:07 PM »

Driving directions to Kit Carson Park 3 ways to get there all around 15 mins.

8.5 mi – about 12 mins
Suggested routes
I-15 S
8.5 mi 12 mins
 
N Escondido Blvd
5.8 mi 15 mins
 
Bear Valley Pkwy
7.1 mi 16 mins
 

Northern Rose you are the best!
If JAG did leave something in that park, it would be right on his way to his mother's house!

I have not mapped where he lived in Escondido yet.  Would it be towards there as well?
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