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Author Topic: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 - 7/3/13  (Read 460094 times)
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« Reply #620 on: March 06, 2010, 08:21:12 PM »


And it is now pouring down rain.

Good for SoCal but not good for a search.
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« Reply #621 on: March 06, 2010, 09:48:23 PM »

Case archive album started for Amber:

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« Reply #622 on: March 07, 2010, 12:05:32 AM »

UPDATE: Missing Escondido Girl
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San Diego area Police drain a pond in hopes of finding new clues in the disappearance of a missing Escondido girl. For the second day authorities searched "Kit Carson Park" after receiving a tip that a bag of hair was spotted in the park last may. Police say the people who first saw the bag remembered it after Chelsea King's body was found.
Amber Dubois disappeared 13-months ago she was 14 years old. Late this afternoon authorities ended the search after finding no new evidence. Investigators say they found the bag, but it did not contain anything that could help the Dubois investigation.

http://www.keyt.com/news/local/86734222.html
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« Reply #623 on: March 07, 2010, 12:15:28 AM »

Well I have to say I am very happy that hope goes on! I do hope this is not the end of the searching though. there are places that we all have thought of which makes perfect sense to search. I hope LE will follow through.
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« Reply #624 on: March 07, 2010, 04:03:00 AM »

Woman describes encounter with Gardner at RB park (with video)

RANCHO BERNARDO, Calif. (CBS  - John Albert Gardner may have returned to the scene of the crime hours before he was arrested on Sunday. That's according to a new witness who's talking to News 8.

Becky Sangha's chilling account of coming face to face with Chelsea King's accused killer started as she drove into the park. She spotted an inebriated man stumbling up an embankment, who later accosted her along a trail.

"To realize you were that close to someone that evil is something that doesn't sit well inside you," Sangha said.

The Escondido resident was finishing a Sunday afternoon walk along the trail bordering Lake Hodges with her five-year-old daughter and four dogs when she came face to face with Chelsea King's alleged killer.

"I heard the crackling in the bushes first," she said.

She says the man appeared drunk and was dressed in a red shirt and black pants, wet from the waist down as if he'd just come out of the lake. He started to advance toward Sangha and her family.

"His body was kind of forward and he was walking very quickly and directly toward us. It made me uncomfortable. I got alarmed," she said.

The man came as close as 10 or 15 feet as Sangha gathered her daughter and dogs and hurried away, she said.

"I kept eye contact with him the whole time. He finally sat down, but he kept watching us," she said."I don't know what his intentions were that day."

But her instincts were confirmed that night when she saw on the news that John Gardner had been arrested for Chelsea King's murder.

"I jumped out of bed and I said that's the guy, that is the guy who made me feel so uncomfortable. That's him," she said.

Sangha contacted authorities, and on Monday took search teams to the locations she'd spotted Gardner. The next day Chelsea's body was discovered near the lake in a shallow grave.

"It made me feel sick, especially having my daughter with me that day. My gut reaction was to get her out of bed and keep her close to me," Sangha said.

Authorities told Sangha she did two things that could potentially have saved her life - the fact she made and maintained eye contact and that that she was accompanied by her dogs.

Sangha says she's dedicated to making public parks safe for everybody to enjoy.

As part of the effort to raise awareness about park safety, a special event called "Finish Chelsea's Run - Take Back the Parks" is scheduled at Lake Hodges on Saturday, March 20 at 9 a.m.

http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=12093983


"She spotted an inebriated man stumbling up an embankment, who later accosted her along a trail." Snipped from the above article. I know that I keep bringing this up, but I wonder if JAG ever attended those AA meetings at the church on Broadway between 7-8 am the time that Amber would have been walking to school? We now know that he had mental issues. Many people with mental issues try to self-medicate with alcohol and or street drugs. I hope LE asks around at that meeting and shows JAG's photo.
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« Reply #625 on: March 07, 2010, 01:35:24 PM »

Oh man that woman and little girl is lucky. What a scary encounter, yikes. I wonder if Chelsea was alive up until then or if he was going back to check on the site.

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« Reply #626 on: March 07, 2010, 01:44:39 PM »

if JAG ever attended those AA meetings at the church on Broadway between 7-8 am

Just a little detective work..
Go to the meeting place and ask the leader of that meeting if Gardner ever attended.
But before you do.. Did he ever have a conviction for alcohol abuse ? Becaise I would think that is how you get a ticket to go to such meetings.
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« Reply #627 on: March 07, 2010, 01:52:53 PM »

Return to the scene of the crime ??

I do not know about that..

He may have kept her captive and AFTER murder he brought her by vehicle back to a location to dispose of her body in a moist enviorment which would deteriorate the body quick.

That is his M.O. and that is Why detectives drained the pond, because they too think he has done this type of body disposal before and is repeating behavior, just like rape and murder are also most likely repeat crimes.
We know Rapwe and beating is a repeat crime for sure with the 13 year old victim when he was 21.
 
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« Reply #628 on: March 07, 2010, 02:39:50 PM »

Return to the scene of the crime ??

I do not know about that..

He may have kept her captive and AFTER murder he brought her by vehicle back to a location to dispose of her body in a moist enviorment which would deteriorate the body quick.
That is his M.O. and that is Why detectives drained the pond, because they too think he has done this type of body disposal before and is repeating behavior, just like rape and murder are also most likely repeat crimes.
We know Rapwe and beating is a repeat crime for sure with the 13 year old victim when he was 21.
 
Edward I agree and would like to add this is an area that LE had already searched and found nothing. Do you remember that? It was reported by the sherrif that they had previously searched this area.

What I immediatly thought was friends say they saw Amber at a place called the rocks (or something like that). What if they did? What if she was taken there and being held? Have any searches of this area been done? Where have they searched for Amber? Have those places been researched?
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« Reply #629 on: March 07, 2010, 02:56:12 PM »

There is still so much we need to know about JAG. We need something concrete to place him on Broadway the morning of Ambers disappearance. Did they keep any of the video from the streets that do have camera's for that day? If he was unemployed was he applying for a job at any of those locations? I would also look very hard at those photo's from his mothers running group. Many of those location could be dumping grounds. If his mother hosted many of the runs, she could have gotten her unemployed son to help with the supplies to the site.

If he does go back to the scene of the crime. Amber could be in a shallow grave that is yet to be discovered.

I hate to even mention this, but if Amber was his first successful rape and kill she would be buried in a place close enough where he could go back over and over again. If he liked outdoor sports he had camp sites.

He has been tied to so many attempted assaults. Every time he misses, must send him on a mission to complete at all cost.

There are so many stressers (his father died, the mother of his twins left him, he lost his job,he wrecked his car) he was a walking time bomb.

Someone must know where he was on the morning of Feb 13, 2009! 

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« Reply #630 on: March 07, 2010, 03:12:10 PM »

Well mommy dearests group had a run on 2/14/10 so my assumption would be they had one on 2/14/09 as well.
There is a lot we don't know, such as what came out today about him being seen in the area she was found. Everything we found out so far though makes me even more concerned he ran across amber that morning. 
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« Reply #631 on: March 07, 2010, 03:59:31 PM »

I really should stop posting this because maybe I am wrong and now the F.B.I. team is on the scene but PARKS have been mentioned in our thread on Amber since early on and I have always had in my gut that Amber was taken North and the back way out of Escondido leads us to many parks..
 Dogs apparently got hits in certain areas and G. Park or the roads that lead to it, I have mentioned many times.


I totally agree with you.  With the cell being found to the north that is the direction that should be concentrated on.  IF JAG is involved, then he may have headed north to Lake Elsinore to Grannie's house or up to Running Springs.  That is the direction to look again, and look hard.

The roads that lead to this Park was of major concern for me "and I do not know why" But something tells me the roads LEADING to this park and the park itself is the possible location..

I am probably wrong but from my understanding search teams had Dogs Hit in this area and I am not sure where..

Anyways here is a map we posted early on..

 
IF the F.B.I,. wants any help they should read ALL of our research in my humble opinion.Anyways I hope the pond being drained today reveals something..

I am headed out to work..

God Bless the family of Amber Dubois.


I agree Edward. One thing I have always felt whoever took amber stalked her and this was not a random kidnapping. When I spoke to Ambers mom carrie I told her to check with porn sites that show red/auburn haired girls. She says she does not have red or auburn hair but to me it looks like it is brown with red highlights, auburn. Anyway, I worry that his mom looks so much like the same type as Amber. Auburn/brown hair, freckles, white skin, blue eyes. That bothers me and is just gnawing at my gut. Especially since I strongly feel Chelsea's rape and murder was in direct response to this crazy hashing thing his mother involved him in.

JAG's father dying could have been an anicedent to a crime spree. If his mother was holding him away from his dad, not allowing him to see him, not allowing contact then his death could spark anger, obviously. so here comes along amber who looks like his mom -45 years, or is a similar type as his mom. In his sociopathic mind I could see him playing out the fantasy with Amber as a substitute. Crazy thought? Not so if you are dealing with a sociopathic personality.

His mother and father lived in running springs/Lake Arrowhead together, I would check this area out for signs of Amber and also the first place they lived after leaving the dad. I hope they are.

The other thing that we know about him that causes aggression in others is that he was teased in school.  There have been a number of crimes committed--Columbine for one example.

I am also wondering, as more comes out, if his mother had some inappropriate contact with him.  I have no evidence of this, but there is something weird going on with the mom, imo.  Her antics send my hinky meter off.  She is the antecedent of his rages according to his relative on the radio.

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« Reply #632 on: March 07, 2010, 03:59:32 PM »

Klassend has suggested in another thread that she has concerns that Gradner may have knowlege of such running or walking trails..

You may all be onto something with this and Yes now I wonder if there was a running event on february 14 in escondido and gardner placed amber close to where gardners mom ran by with her buddies.. ??

Far fetched thought but should be investigated.

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« Reply #633 on: March 07, 2010, 04:04:21 PM »

From a very early post..
The search for a missing 14-year old California girl was called off as it entered its sixth day Thursday.

The family of Amber LeeAnne DuBois said the teen was last seen shortly after 7 a.m. Friday while walking to Escondido High School.

Investigators have learned that DuBois talked to a friend on her cell phone on her way to class that morning, San Diego radio station KFMB reported.

Witnesses claimed to have spotted her in downtown Escondido Saturday and Sunday nights.

The teen's father, Maurice DuBois, said reports of a possible sighting of his daughter Saturday were considered unreliable. He said his daughter is very structured not the type of girl to disappear on her own.

Police have decided to wait to get better leads before resuming the search, KFMB reported.




My point is yes... There could have been a runnin event put on by Gardners moms running /drinking club.

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« Reply #634 on: March 07, 2010, 04:07:05 PM »

Woman describes encounter with Gardner at RB park (with video)

RANCHO BERNARDO, Calif. (CBS  - John Albert Gardner may have returned to the scene of the crime hours before he was arrested on Sunday. That's according to a new witness who's talking to News 8.

Becky Sangha's chilling account of coming face to face with Chelsea King's accused killer started as she drove into the park. She spotted an inebriated man stumbling up an embankment, who later accosted her along a trail.

"To realize you were that close to someone that evil is something that doesn't sit well inside you," Sangha said.

The Escondido resident was finishing a Sunday afternoon walk along the trail bordering Lake Hodges with her five-year-old daughter and four dogs when she came face to face with Chelsea King's alleged killer.

"I heard the crackling in the bushes first," she said.

She says the man appeared drunk and was dressed in a red shirt and black pants, wet from the waist down as if he'd just come out of the lake. He started to advance toward Sangha and her family.

"His body was kind of forward and he was walking very quickly and directly toward us. It made me uncomfortable. I got alarmed," she said.

The man came as close as 10 or 15 feet as Sangha gathered her daughter and dogs and hurried away, she said.

"I kept eye contact with him the whole time. He finally sat down, but he kept watching us," she said."I don't know what his intentions were that day."

But her instincts were confirmed that night when she saw on the news that John Gardner had been arrested for Chelsea King's murder.

"I jumped out of bed and I said that's the guy, that is the guy who made me feel so uncomfortable. That's him," she said.

Sangha contacted authorities, and on Monday took search teams to the locations she'd spotted Gardner. The next day Chelsea's body was discovered near the lake in a shallow grave.

"It made me feel sick, especially having my daughter with me that day. My gut reaction was to get her out of bed and keep her close to me," Sangha said.

Authorities told Sangha she did two things that could potentially have saved her life - the fact she made and maintained eye contact and that that she was accompanied by her dogs.

Sangha says she's dedicated to making public parks safe for everybody to enjoy.

As part of the effort to raise awareness about park safety, a special event called "Finish Chelsea's Run - Take Back the Parks" is scheduled at Lake Hodges on Saturday, March 20 at 9 a.m.

http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=12093983


"She spotted an inebriated man stumbling up an embankment, who later accosted her along a trail." Snipped from the above article. I know that I keep bringing this up, but I wonder if JAG ever attended those AA meetings at the church on Broadway between 7-8 am the time that Amber would have been walking to school? We now know that he had mental issues. Many people with mental issues try to self-medicate with alcohol and or street drugs. I hope LE asks around at that meeting and shows JAG's photo.


They are finding now that a lot of alcoholics are actually bipolar individuals who are trying to self-medicate according to a friend who is a psychologist and the latest research.  Also, when they are medicated and drink it makes some medications inactive.

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« Reply #635 on: March 07, 2010, 04:08:56 PM »

Chelsea was so close to his moms home ... Almost like it was ment to be..

Maybe Amber is close to moms home too ??


I am giving this guy way too much credit for thought I suppose.. But somehow he managed to Grab and run with these girls without being seen or herd by anyone.. So lets not set him a stupid fool just yet..

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« Reply #636 on: March 07, 2010, 04:12:32 PM »

There is still so much we need to know about JAG. We need something concrete to place him on Broadway the morning of Ambers disappearance. Did they keep any of the video from the streets that do have camera's for that day? If he was unemployed was he applying for a job at any of those locations? I would also look very hard at those photo's from his mothers running group. Many of those location could be dumping grounds. If his mother hosted many of the runs, she could have gotten her unemployed son to help with the supplies to the site.

If he does go back to the scene of the crime. Amber could be in a shallow grave that is yet to be discovered.

I hate to even mention this, but if Amber was his first successful rape and kill she would be buried in a place close enough where he could go back over and over again. If he liked outdoor sports he had camp sites.

He has been tied to so many attempted assaults. Every time he misses, must send him on a mission to complete at all cost.

There are so many stressers (his father died, the mother of his twins left him, he lost his job,he wrecked his car) he was a walking time bomb.

Someone must know where he was on the morning of Feb 13, 2009! 



I am thinking because his name was "Just John" in his mother's group, that he may not have been involved in the group.  He was only there because it was his family's house and it was Thanksgiving.  Maybe his mother's antics angered him and he was violent towards women because of his anger at her.

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« Reply #637 on: March 07, 2010, 04:34:27 PM »

No nanners please!  This may be so completely insane and I haven't done the research so I'll be ok with  a few nanners thrown.

What if JAG was so destructive and angry about family that he did crimes in the parks that the previous Hash was in? Like a payback?  Sounds like the household was a constant hub of planning and excitement over each and every event???
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« Reply #638 on: March 07, 2010, 04:40:27 PM »

Klassend has suggested in another thread that she has concerns that Gradner may have knowlege of such running or walking trails..

You may all be onto something with this and Yes now I wonder if there was a running event on february 14 in escondido and gardner placed amber close to where gardners mom ran by with her buddies.. ??

Far fetched thought but should be investigated.



I dont' think it is far fetched. It could be he has a deep rooted resentment for his mom due to her taking away the only father he knew and loved and replaced him with this sort of life style. If you think about it, even a person with a healthy mind would say, geez she had it so good, why on earth would she leave that for this sort of thing? I believe anyone would be some what embarrassed by their mom participating in this type of group, throw in her "nickname" and I can tell you I would not want any of my friends to find out about my mother. So I think it is fair to say he could have, in his way, stomped on the lifestyle by raping and murdering a person (RIP Chelsea) by his mother house along a trial she had this homping hash thing.

You know what is so frustrating to me, this is psych 101, not very difficult to figure out yet she, a professional in the field of mental health didn't or wouldn't see the signs? Give me a flipping break.
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« Reply #639 on: March 07, 2010, 04:42:14 PM »

No nanners please!  This may be so completely insane and I haven't done the research so I'll be ok with  a few nanners thrown.

What if JAG was so destructive and angry about family that he did crimes in the parks that the previous Hash was in? Like a payback?  Sounds like the household was a constant hub of planning and excitement over each and every event???

Yes and it makes sense, no nanners
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