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« Reply #740 on: March 07, 2010, 09:54:35 PM »

Amber's friends take the news hard
They get the news on the way out of 'Avatar'

Amber Dubois' closest friends took the sad news hard Sunday.

“Even if she was in another country, like maybe as long as she was still alive, it would have been OK,” said Hailey Kosinski, a 15-year-old Escondido High School sophomore. “I was telling myself she’s not dead, she’s somewhere else, she’s somewhere, she can’t find us. But I guess I was proven wrong.”

Amber was 14 when she disappeared the morning of Feb. 13, 2009, as she was walking to Escondido High School. Her body was found Saturday in the Pala area of North County, authorities announced today.

Hailey got the news as she was exiting Avatar, a movie she said Amber would have loved for its message and nature scenes.

“She was always so kind of connected with nature, sort of the whole circle of life, balance, everything,” she said. “I think the graphics would catch her, the lush green forests and the creatures. It would be something she’d be into.”

She’s been missing so long, Hailey said, “It’s hard to even remember how she acted around you.”

Tomorrow will be a tough day at school, she said.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/07/ambers-friends-take-news-hard/
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« Reply #741 on: March 07, 2010, 09:58:13 PM »

Community speaks out about Amber Dubois  (video)

http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=12099954
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« Reply #742 on: March 07, 2010, 10:06:57 PM »

Whoraldo covered Amber briefly, don't k now if more is coming. 

I am confused about where the tip came from.  One source says from JAG while somewhere else says no.

I think I am out of the cage tonight and will be back tomorrow.  I am feeling  very overwhelmed tonight by this.

Prayer to Amber's family.  I am so sorry that the search ended this way.
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« Reply #743 on: March 07, 2010, 10:07:24 PM »

I have Wilderness Gardens as a place that needed to be searched.
It is near a casino in Pala.

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« Reply #744 on: March 07, 2010, 10:10:27 PM »

“They’ve seen the community in a lot of pain. Someone who had been afraid to say something finally came forward.”    Perhpas it was the g/f and mother of the twins that felt safe saying somethign now that he was behind bars.

Totally agree or even a family member...I recall there were reports of fighting in the family over something...enough to kick JAG out...after years of enabling him.
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« Reply #745 on: March 07, 2010, 10:10:58 PM »

News conference tomorrow to release more info on where body was found.  One of the links stated outside the reserve to the NE.  Just popped in as on KTLA news tonight they are doing a story on other possible crimes linked to JAG.
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« Reply #746 on: March 07, 2010, 10:12:18 PM »

I have Wilderness Gardens as a place that needed to be searched.
It is near a casino in Pala.



Here is a good topo map showing all the trails

http://www.trails.com/topomap.aspx?trailid=XTM002-010
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« Reply #747 on: March 07, 2010, 10:15:38 PM »

News conference tomorrow to release more info on where body was found.  One of the links stated outside the reserve to the NE.  Just popped in as on KTLA news tonight they are doing a story on other possible crimes linked to JAG.

I'm not familiar with the area but I see that two girls are missing from Moreno Valley and a sixteen year old from La Mesa...they seem close.  Two from Bakersfield and one from Desert Hot Springs...not so close.  I am sure there are more.  Also, I never received a response...but, I wonder if he attended his dad's funeral (even if they hadn't been in contact for a long time...).  There are three missing girls around that area during that time frame.
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« Reply #748 on: March 07, 2010, 10:25:54 PM »

News conference tomorrow to release more info on where body was found.  One of the links stated outside the reserve to the NE.  Just popped in as on KTLA news tonight they are doing a story on other possible crimes linked to JAG.

I'm not familiar with the area but I see that two girls are missing from Moreno Valley and a sixteen year old from La Mesa...they seem close.  Two from Bakersfield and one from Desert Hot Springs...not so close.  I am sure there are more.  Also, I never received a response...but, I wonder if he attended his dad's funeral (even if they hadn't been in contact for a long time...).  There are three missing girls around that area during that time frame.

  RIVERSIDE COUNTY SHERIFF'S DEPARTMENT
Sheriff Stanley Sniff
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PRESS RELEASE   

Date/Time Written: March 4, 2010 / 5:00 P.M.
Type of Incident: Media Advisory
Date/Time of Incident:   
Location(s) of Incident:   
Reporting Officer: Sergeant Joe Borja, Public Information Officer 

Details:
The following information is being released as the result of the arrest of John Albert Gardner III in San Diego, CA.

Beginning January 7, 2010, Gardner was a sex registrant living in the unincorporated area of Lakeland Village. He was in compliance of all obligations of his registration. Gardner is not currently listed as a suspect in any investigation we are conducting at this time. The Lake Elsinore Police Department and the Riverside County Sheriff’s Department are reviewing all cases involving any sexual assaults or attempted sexual assaults in the surrounding area. We will investigate any and all leads that arise.

Anyone with information regarding this incident is encouraged to contact the Lake Elsinore Police Department by calling (951) 245-3300.

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http://www.riversidesheriff.org/press/admin10-0304.htm <=link, I just felt compelled to post this... don't know why, what you said in your post makes a lot of sense maybe he is responsible for those girls disappearance..
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« Reply #749 on: March 07, 2010, 10:38:50 PM »

I dont know if anyone commented about the attempted kidnapping in oct 28,2009, but it happened in lake elsinore and the suspect does not look like john gardner or they are saying it is not him. http://www.riversidesheriff.org/press/09301-lak.htm , maybe he has something to do about kristine nicole hamilton's disappearance like you said she is from moreno valley and she was 17 years old at the time.
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« Reply #750 on: March 07, 2010, 11:01:10 PM »

Dubois tip didn't come from Gardner, source says
P.I. says the accused killer of Chelsea King didn't lead authorities to Amber's remains
Sunday, March 7, 2010 at 5:58 p.m.
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Accused killer John Albert Gardner III had nothing to do with the tip that led law enforcement to Amber Dubois’ remains, according to a local private investigator who worked on the case.

Bill Garcia, hired by Amber’s family shortly after she disappeared, said he was told by a person with first-hand knowledge that the tip about the location of the remains did not come from Gardner, who was charged Wednesday with the rape and murder of Chelsea King, 17, of Poway. “The entire Chelsea King event emotionally pulled at somebody who had this information,” Garcia said. “They’ve seen the community in a lot of pain. Someone who had been afraid to say something finally came forward.”

Garcia said he’s long suspected Amber's body might be found in the Pala area, because any abductor would have wanted to get away from high-traffic areas quickly, and rural routes out of Escondido lead to the Pauma Valley. “We’ve spent a lot of time in the past year, working that canyon,” Garcia said. “You put yourself in the mindset of someone who would perpetrate this crime, and all the indicators point in that direction. It’s no mystery to me that’s where she was found.” He said his “suspicion” is that the remains were found in the northeast corner of the Pala reservation, “in an area that is difficult to get into and an area we have not searched.”

People.com initially reported that a hiker had stumbled on the remains, but a law enforcement source told The San Diego Union-Tribune that is not correct. People.com removed the reference in later versions of its story.


Prayers for Amber's family and friends, first and foremost here.  I thank God they did not give up and they refused to just go away.  Given the repeated assaults in the news, no one anywhere should be walking to school (or anywhere) alone anymore...sad that it's come to this, but this is the world we live in.  While we don't want to scare children, they need to know exactly what they're up against..anything less is a disservice to them.

Wonder if the tipster is Catherine (his mother) or someone from her Humpin' Hash group.  Will be interesting to find out.  Think it's more than ironic that: you all began researching the Humpin' Hash club> Catherine's pics were immediately censored (more accurately, distorted to be unidentifiable to viewers)> the site was blocked to viewers> Baba's Photography site disappeared> your screen captures were forwarded to LE (along with Catherine's Humpin' Hash pics, Mental Health related work articles she authored, etc.)...and PRESTO!  LE gets a tip prompting an early a.m. search in a rugged, remote location, finding Amber.  I'm thinking someone may have clued Catherine in that her employment was about to become unemployment, due to a mental health professional engaging in sexually deviant behavior, while housing a registered violent sex offender family member.  Doesn't look good to the Mental Health powers that be to have a liability on board.  All JMOO. 
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« Reply #751 on: March 07, 2010, 11:05:29 PM »

One more thing...

Edward- You were right on the North thing.  Thank you for voicing it.

Everyone researching the Humpin' Hash club/Kevin O'Reilley/Catherine ECT-Great job!  It's amazing what a group of dedicated people can do.  As we say around here, "Working together to get the job done.".  Kudos to all of you!
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« Reply #752 on: March 07, 2010, 11:11:00 PM »

A year later, you don't go out into the remote rugged area of Pala to look for a skeleton, in the EARLY MORNING HOURS, unless you have specific information where to look, IMO:

"The discovery was made in the early morning hours of Saturday, in a very rugged and remote section of Pala," Escondido police Chief Jim Maher said at a news conference.


This is one area of Pala.  There's miles and miles of more of the same:


You are correct.  It would NOT happen.  They had specific information.
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« Reply #753 on: March 07, 2010, 11:12:33 PM »

Dubois tip didn't come from Gardner, source says
P.I. says the accused killer of Chelsea King didn't lead authorities to Amber's remains
Sunday, March 7, 2010 at 5:58 p.m.
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Accused killer John Albert Gardner III had nothing to do with the tip that led law enforcement to Amber Dubois’ remains, according to a local private investigator who worked on the case.

Bill Garcia, hired by Amber’s family shortly after she disappeared, said he was told by a person with first-hand knowledge that the tip about the location of the remains did not come from Gardner, who was charged Wednesday with the rape and murder of Chelsea King, 17, of Poway. “The entire Chelsea King event emotionally pulled at somebody who had this information,” Garcia said. “They’ve seen the community in a lot of pain. Someone who had been afraid to say something finally came forward.”

Garcia said he’s long suspected Amber's body might be found in the Pala area, because any abductor would have wanted to get away from high-traffic areas quickly, and rural routes out of Escondido lead to the Pauma Valley. “We’ve spent a lot of time in the past year, working that canyon,” Garcia said. “You put yourself in the mindset of someone who would perpetrate this crime, and all the indicators point in that direction. It’s no mystery to me that’s where she was found.” He said his “suspicion” is that the remains were found in the northeast corner of the Pala reservation, “in an area that is difficult to get into and an area we have not searched.”

People.com initially reported that a hiker had stumbled on the remains, but a law enforcement source told The San Diego Union-Tribune that is not correct. People.com removed the reference in later versions of its story.


Prayers for Amber's family and friends, first and foremost here.  I thank God they did not give up and they refused to just go away.  Given the repeated assaults in the news, no one anywhere should be walking to school (or anywhere) alone anymore...sad that it's come to this, but this is the world we live in.  While we don't want to scare children, they need to know exactly what they're up against..anything less is a disservice to them.

Wonder if the tipster is Catherine (his mother) or someone from her Humpin' Hash group.  Will be interesting to find out.  Think it's more than ironic that: you all began researching the Humpin' Hash club> Catherine's pics were immediately censored (more accurately, distorted to be unidentifiable to viewers)> the site was blocked to viewers> Baba's Photography site disappeared> your screen captures were forwarded to LE (along with Catherine's Humpin' Hash pics, Mental Health related work articles she authored, etc.)...and PRESTO!  LE gets a tip prompting an early a.m. search in a rugged, remote location, finding Amber.  I'm thinking someone may have clued Catherine in that her employment was about to become unemployment, due to a mental health professional engaging in sexually deviant behavior, while housing a registered violent sex offender family member.  Doesn't look good to the Mental Health powers that be to have a liability on board.  All JMOO. 

Another Hash site bites the dust.  If they have nothing to hide why do they keep taking the sites down? :

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« Reply #754 on: March 07, 2010, 11:19:31 PM »

Community speaks out about Amber Dubois  (video)

http://www.cbs8.com/Global/story.asp?S=12099954

Thanks for the video. Did anyone else catch the councelmen saying "it is too bad we had to lose 3 young girls". 3? Chelsea, Amber and who?

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« Reply #755 on: March 07, 2010, 11:45:47 PM »

Searchers found Amber's skeletal remains early Saturday on the Pala Indian Reservation, a sparsely populated area that occupies more than 12,000 acres in the northeast corner of San Diego County, said Escondido Police Chief Jim Maher. The county medical examiner's office confirmed later in the day the remains were Amber's through dental records, he said.
Maher declined to answer questions during a news conference Sunday because he said the discovery was part of an ongoing murder investigation. He said a "lead" brought investigators to the reservation, but he did not elaborate.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100308/ap_on_re_us/us_missing_teen

Lots more to read here BUT... This was Indian reservation land and Nobody is allowed on it.
Searchers were not allowed to roam this land. It is Severn and separate from the united states of America. when it comes down to chasing the bad guys or doing something like searching for lost and missing people. Only The Elders of the tribe and the U.S. Marshall have jurisdiction. I am not real clear on that law.. But apparently if a crime is committed in Escondido and the culprit runs onto Indian land LE in Escondido have to call a U.S. Marshall to go get the bad guy..
I am not sure how much ass the U.S. Marshall service has to kiss to go there..

Carrie approached Tribal leaders..
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« Reply #756 on: March 08, 2010, 12:02:53 AM »

Caring strangers mourn Amber at Escondido High

ESCONDIDO — Shortly after 5 p.m. Sunday, Lori Coburn of Poway walked down Broadway next to Escondido High School and approached a poster asking for information on Amber Dubois’ disappearance.

She pulled yellow ribbon from a bag and fashioned two bows, hanging them on each side of the poster on a fence outside the school.

Coburn was already planning to go to the high school when her brother called her with the news that Amber’s remains had been found in Pala on Saturday.

Amber went missing 13 months ago while walking to the school.

Coburn didn’t know Amber. Her three children had attended Poway High.

“I would want to find my child and would want to know others want to find my child,” she said.

Coburn was among numerous people who showed up at the school Sunday evening. Strangers who cared.

Lee Marin, a history teacher at Escondido High, was at the Palomar Family YMCA across the street from the school attending a cheer practice with her fifth-grade daughter when another mother received a text about Amber.

Marin, who stopped at the school on her way home, said news of the discovery “hurt me to the pit of my stomach.”

“I’m glad to see the ribbons going up,” Marin said.

Another family drove up in an SUV.

“It just feels like we know her,” said Joann Warren of Escondido.

They placed on the fence above the poster two purple fabric flowers that light up. They also hung a note and card in a plastic bag to protect them from the rain that was falling.

“Dear Amber,” the note read, “You’re in a much better place now. May you rest in peace. You will be missed by everyone. Love, the Warren family.”

On the same note was a message to the Dubois family from the Joyce family: “Words are hard to come by at a time like this. Please know that Amber is in a safer place now where she is loved.”

The family of Chelsea King, a 17-year-old Poway girl whose body was found Tuesday at Lake Hodges in a similar disappearance, posted a comment on Chelsea’s memorial Facebook page expressing sympathy for Amber’s family.

“Chelsea’s light is grieving not only for Chelsea, but for beautiful Amber Dubois, whose remains were discovered today. Our hearts and love go out to the Dubois family,” they wrote.

http://www.signonsandiego.com/news/2010/mar/07/caring-strangers-mourn-amber-escondido-high/
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« Reply #757 on: March 08, 2010, 12:05:09 AM »

Dubois Family Publicist Upset With Response From Authorities
Michelle Bart Feels Police Dismissed Results Of Search Dogs

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SAN DIEGO -- After the announcement Sunday afternoon that the remains of 14-year-old Escondido teen Amber Dubois were located in Pala, 10News spoke with the publicist hired by Amber's grandmother about the dogs the family brought out to search for the teen last year and the positive hit they received on the Pala reservation.

Publicist Michelle Bart was noticeably upset in her interview with 10News' Itica Milanes. Bart broke into tears when describing the frustration she felt dealing with Escondido police.

The dogs brought to locate Amber in August of 2009, were scent dogs with special training for cold cases.

10News reporter Steve Fiorina spoke with the veteran dog handlers who told him that they'd found clues on cases where the person had been missing longer than Amber Dubois had been at that point.

The two dogs, Jack, a German shorthaired pointer, and Quincy, a yellow labrador retriever, were each trained to track an old scent but with different specialties.

"Jack is a very air-sensitive dog," dog handler Sarah Platts said. "Quincy is detail oriented."

"As a family, we decided to try anything we can," Moe Dubois, Amber's father, said.

"Its been very difficult because we know that back in August those dogs hit on Pala," the publicist, who worked closely with the family, told Milanes Sunday.

"Two dogs hit on particular things," she said, "the handlers knew nothing about the case... We said there's no doubt in our minds, we'll go to our death beds knowing that Amber's been here."

But Bart said the officer assigned to their search didn't seem interested. "The officer that was with us didn't do anything, he kept quiet the whole time just like he was our escort," she said.

"It was unbelievable, just unbelievable," she said. "When the police came out and told all of you in the media that the dogs didn't hit on anything, nothing was found... my heart has been dropping because we could not say anything."

Bart said she was assured by authorities that Escondido police and other law enforcement were going to look into the area in Pala where the dogs responded. "We gave our reports to cops that patronized us," she said.

http://www.10news.com/news/22770513/detail.html
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« Reply #758 on: March 08, 2010, 12:06:50 AM »

Chelsea was so close to his moms home ... Almost like it was ment to be..

Maybe Amber is close to moms home too ??


I am giving this guy way too much credit for thought I suppose.. But somehow he managed to Grab and run with these girls without being seen or herd by anyone.. So lets not set him a stupid fool just yet..



Another thought that rattles through my head is about the animal she was to purchase that day.  It does not appear there was any struggle when she was abducted.  I wonder if he found out about the purchase that day and he told her to get in the car to go look at the animal or told her that he was there in some capacity for the purchase of the animal.  Could he be connected to a farm or have overheard someone talking about that purchase.  The two things on the same day and no apparent struggle at the school site just seem too coincidental to me.

 
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« Reply #759 on: March 08, 2010, 12:07:22 AM »

Searchers found Amber's skeletal remains early Saturday on the Pala Indian Reservation, a sparsely populated area that occupies more than 12,000 acres in the northeast corner of San Diego County, said Escondido Police Chief Jim Maher. The county medical examiner's office confirmed later in the day the remains were Amber's through dental records, he said.
Maher declined to answer questions during a news conference Sunday because he said the discovery was part of an ongoing murder investigation. He said a "lead" brought investigators to the reservation, but he did not elaborate.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20100308/ap_on_re_us/us_missing_teen

Lots more to read here BUT... This was Indian reservation land and Nobody is allowed on it.
Searchers were not allowed to roam this land. It is Severn and separate from the united states of America. when it comes down to chasing the bad guys or doing something like searching for lost and missing people. Only The Elders of the tribe and the U.S. Marshall have jurisdiction. I am not real clear on that law.. But apparently if a crime is committed in Escondido and the culprit runs onto Indian land LE in Escondido have to call a U.S. Marshall to go get the bad guy..
I am not sure how much ass the U.S. Marshall service has to kiss to go there..

Carrie approached Tribal leaders..
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It's not like you can't drive around Edward, I've been there.  It's not fenced in.  There is a HUGE casino out there as well.  Actually a couple of casinos.  My point is that if you ask they would probably say no but I don't think they would know if you didn't ask.
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