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Author Topic: Amber Leeanne Dubois #2 (remains found 3/6/10) 1/15/10 - 7/3/13  (Read 460154 times)
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« Reply #580 on: March 06, 2010, 12:54:52 AM »

Thank you for the updates. Glad to know they are seriously searching for Amber. Lets hope, (and stay on them), that they keep this up wtih all tips that come in from now on.

BTW, if you have not visited the thread entitled, who is kevin Oreilly in the chelsea folder, then you may want to take a look.
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« Reply #581 on: March 06, 2010, 01:07:15 AM »

here are some ways to connect amber with john gardner. Amber was reported missing on a friday. Chelsea king was reported missing on a thursday evening. Pretty close days of abduction, armchairanalysist said it maybe around that time he gets paid. Maybe Gardner is off on fridays and goes to the bar to drink or smoke and think about where he should pick his next victim. Amber was walking to school. Chelsea was jogging in the park. These are two activities that both girls participated on in a regular basis. Amber lives in Escondido, Chelsea lives in Rancho Bernardo or somewhere by escondido. John lives somewhere close by both girls. Amber was planning on getting a lamb, Chelsea was planning on graduating from her HS in Spring. John Gardner was planning on abducting and raping any girl. He planned it before in 1998. He goes for 2. Gardner has twin boys, maybe it is a sign he would have 2 victims that are like twins maybe of a reminder, just a weird idea, has no truth behind it. John Gardner is not afraid of attacking women, whether they are alone or with someone else. John Gardner is good at hiding things. John Gardner may be hiding more bodies, maybe dismembering them, maybe he didn't have time to dismember chelsea's remains because he may have had a feeling someone was going to report Chelsea missing pretty soon and that cops would show up at the park soon. John Gardner may have out of anger, pulled amber's hair out of his sexual motivation to power women and because he believes you can't fingerprint hair... he may have pulled Chelsea's hair while she was running and yanked her by the head from behind to get her. Gardner is a electrician, gardner owns his own work truck, probably is a bad driver which is why he was stopped by a RSO in Riv. county on 01/28/2010, so he sells his vehicle or trades it in for another to evade police from utilizing GPRS to tail his suspect vehicle. Gardner is a man who believes that he has to stay satisfied in order to be happy. Gardner tries to satisfy himself by raping or having lewd/lascivious acts with children, then when that goes awry he disposes of his victims or tries even harder to satisfy himself. I don't know if Gardner was ever married but from what i know about sex offenders, personally, if you consider somebody who cheats on you when you're married, you can be labeled as a sex offender (meaning that is a sex charge in other countries like India, middle east etc). Back to similarities with Amber and Chelsea, both girls had good parents, grandparents, the reality is, Gardner had good parents too, maybe they were just too good, kind of like how Nancy Garrido was good and so faithful to Phillip Garrido in carrying out the abduction of Jaycee Dugard, Jaycee Dugard had 2 kids with Garrido. I am getting this feeling that Gardner was loved or his bad behavior was overlooked because he was the kind of person to make everybody all bashful around him so much that nobody bothered to yell at him or tell him what to do because he was just so nice and charming (well spoken). No drugs were involved in this case. Maybe a cigarette butt. Why do people smoke, to breathe in and out, maybe gardner has asthma, he has trouble breathing, can't run very fast, can't jog, coughs a lot, spits a lot, has a lot of saliva. He has a big neck, klaasend said. Maybe he eats Mcdonalds a lot or his grandma is always baking and just doesn't move around a whole lot except when he has to do what he does best (please don't take this the wrong way). I dont know what its like to have a grandma, but aren't they always nosy about everything? However, some are forgetful even have alzheimers. Maybe disconcertment runs in Gardner's family, if that is even a word. Jon Benet Ramsey was killed, found dead in a basement strangled or beaten in her home, she had pineapple in her stomach. Maybe Gardner poisoned amber (using drugs or whatever necessary). He didn't want the death to look like rape and murder, then dumped the body elsewhere to look like suicide... anyone wants to help make this list shorter and make more sense, please because there are so many tiny things that lying around that you can't find on the internet or by reading the news. I am just waiting on news if he orders viagra on the internet or goes to mexico to buy drugs and this habit of raping children has been like a drug addiction, which I doubt but is likely. I really hope something will catch somthing that will help find amber alive, maybe in mexico, I also hope they find her, maybe she lost a ton of weight that you can barely recognize her, maybe she has a differnet hair color, maybe gardner did something to make her lose her memmory, or somebody did, there are drugs out there that can do a lot to hurt your brain. hopefully someone will get some sleep soon.
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« Reply #582 on: March 06, 2010, 01:20:11 AM »

Good Morning Monkeys!

PI.....I am not dogging you on your post but Amber's family post here and read here. There has been no mention of dismemberment with anyone. I wouldn't want them to be hurt anymore than they already are hurting.

JAG was seen in a gold color car that he wrecked a month or so ago. And from what i understand it was taken to the junkyard.
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« Reply #583 on: March 06, 2010, 02:03:44 AM »

I don't understand how you can call that woman that helped her husband keep a teenager prisoner for 18 yrs a good woman. And you need to go read Who is Kevin O' Rielly thread before you say that John Gardner had good parents.

I am sorry...I just don't understand your post at all.
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« Reply #584 on: March 06, 2010, 03:06:45 AM »

Hi Pi,
Follow this link http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7303.0 and it will give you an idea of the mother of JAG. Her name is Catherine J Osborn and we believe that she may be married to this Kevin O'Reilly person.
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« Reply #585 on: March 06, 2010, 08:12:12 AM »

Posted: Saturday, 06 March 2010 3:41AM

FBI Will Analyze Contents of Bags Found in the Area

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Carter said the bag doesn't appear to be connected to the Dubois case, but an FBI evidence response team will analyze the contents.

Carter said other bags also were found Friday and the contents of those will be analyzed as well.
http://www.knx1070.com/Pond-Drained-Near-San-Diego--in-Search-for-Missing/6508785
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« Reply #586 on: March 06, 2010, 10:57:48 AM »

http://www.google.com/hostednews/ap/article/ALeqM5hZxpBuPrX2vIYnBuZtCVLuNvBN6gD9E97J580
2 missing teen cases, 2 different police responses

By ELLIOT SPAGAT (AP) – 3 minutes ago

SAN DIEGO — The disappearances of 14-year-old Amber Dubois and 17-year-old Chelsea King illustrate a sad fact: not all missing children cases are treated the same.

Chelsea disappeared Feb. 25, last seen in a park with running clothes. The case sparked a search that involved a small army of 1,500 law enforcement officials from dozens of agencies and thousands of volunteers.

It ended five days later when a body was found in a shallow lakeside grave.

Amber was walking to school when she vanished a year ago just 10 miles north of the site where Chelsea was last seen. Leads went nowhere. The news media showed little interest.

Perhaps the biggest determinant in getting the attention of law enforcement and reporters is whether there are signs of foul play that may put other children at risk. The skill of a victim's family at working with the media and mobilizing supporters also helps decide which cases capture public interest.

There are 115 non-family child abductions a year in the United States — an average of more than two a week, according to the latest Department of Justice figures from 1999. But only a handful get anywhere near the attention that followed the disappearance of Chelsea King.

FBI dive teams scoured Lake Hodges for Chelsea, the Marines dispatched a C-130 plane and an unmanned aerial vehicle circled above. Law enforcement officers came from as far as Santa Barbara, more than 200 miles away.
San Diego County Sheriff William Gore was at the scene the same night Chelsea's father found her 1994 BMW parked at Rancho Bernardo Community Park and stayed throughout much of the round-the-clock search.

Signs of foul play quickly emerged. In addition to the locked car, a California Department of Justice spokeswoman said authorities found Chelsea's semen-stained clothing, leading them to arrest convicted sex offender John Albert Gardner III outside a restaurant in Escondido.

Gardner, 30, spent five years in prison for molesting a 13-year-old neighbor in 2000. He has pleaded not guilty to Chelsea's murder and the attempted rape of another woman in December.

Susan Plese, a spokeswoman for the San Diego County Sheriff's Department, said no one was available Friday to discuss the scale of the response to the King case compared to other disappearances. Experts said evidence of foul play was probably key.

"Any evidence that confirms foul play will definitely bump up the visibility," said David Finkelhor, director of the University of New Hampshire's Crimes Against Children Research Center. "If there's a homicidal maniac in the community and there's a threat to you and your kid, that always increases the fever about a case."

Maurice Dubois said a spate of early reports that his daughter had been seen hampered his efforts to draw attention to the case. None of those sightings panned out and instead fueled speculation that Amber was a runaway rather than a crime victim.

Amber was last seen walking on Feb. 13, 2009 with a man about 200 yards from Escondido High School by a woman who used to drive her to middle school, her father said. Another neighbor reported seeing her about 300 yards from school. Yet Amber never appeared on school surveillance cameras.
Amber, a member of Future Farmers of America, left home with a $200 check to buy a lamb. It was never cashed.

"The circumstances were completely different," Dubois said. "The evidence that they found on Chelsea led them to believe that they needed to find her immediately. There was never, ever any evidence found on Amber."

Children from wealthy families tend to generate more attention, said Finkelhor, partly because the parents seem to be more adept at working with the media and building networks.

Chelsea's parents, Brent and Kelly King, patiently and skillfully worked with the media through their anguish, aided by a volunteer public relations professional. In interviews, they gave Chelsea's life story: the oldest child of long-married parents, straight-A student, French horn player in the youth symphony, avid long-distance runner, tireless volunteer for school and community activities.

Chelsea's friends at Poway High School turned out in droves.

"Right before I broke the news (of the body discovery), they were telling stories about her — funny things she said, silly things she did," said Paula Bunn, a counselor at the Chelsea King Volunteer Center. "You could tell she was very loved by her friends."

Ernest Allen, executive director of the National Center for Missing and Exploited Children, said he was immediately drawn to Amber's case because she did not appear troubled and was so excited to go to school that day to buy her lamb. Still, reporters and TV producers kept asking about speculation that she was a runaway.
What I hear all the time is, 'It's just a missing kid. Tell me why this one is different,'" Allen said. "The ones that get the attention are the ones that are clear and unequivocal" foul play.

Ironically, it was Chelsea's disappearance that sparked intense interest in finding Amber. Her parents, who are separated, are now besieged by reporters and Escondido police say they are seeking potential links between Amber and Gardner.

"I believe it's going to proceed at a much more accelerated pace now," Dubois said.
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« Reply #588 on: March 06, 2010, 12:32:47 PM »

LE of Escondido has never revealed to exact location of the cell phone ping..

If Gardeners home was the area of the ping then that would be the Tie to Gardner in my opinion.

The F.B.I. should ask Escondido LE for this information and the family should know it too.
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« Reply #589 on: March 06, 2010, 01:26:08 PM »

He has a black sedan? Didn't other people report a light colored sedan? Maybe he had a paint job in case anyone was on to him?

Three vehicles had been mentioned so far, gold car, black sedan and a Cadillac he was working on in Mom's driveway a few weeks ago.  Maybe he fixes clunkers and ditches them?


I think you may be on to something Northern Rose! In this article borrowed from Chelsea's thread, it says that when he was pulled over he had no registration for the car!!1

The Enterprise Report has learned exclusively that the accused killer of 17-year old San Diego high school student Chelsea King -- John Albert Gardner, a registered sex offender from Lake Elsinore, CA was stopped by police In Riverside County, CA, only three weeks prior the disappearance of the San Diego teenager.

King's body is believed to have been located by police investigating her disappearance from a park in Northern San Diego County last week. Gardner was arraigned on murder charges today in San Diego and has plead not guilty.


Gardner was stopped by police in Riverside Co. on January 30, 2010 according to court records reviewed the The Enterprise Report.  The reason for the police stop is not yet known, but Gardner was cited for not having proof of insurance and for driving without registration for the car.  Whether or not police investigators in San Diego County were aware of the Riverside County case is still not known.
 

According to court records reviewed by TER, Gardner, who was already a suspect in a previous December 2009 attack on another women in the same San Diego park has been linked by police to that attack.  Gardner never bothered to show up to the Riverside Court or properly take carer of the citation as required by law after the January police stop.

Having not done so, Gardner's name should have generated a warrant for his arrest issued by the court handling the case.  According to the Riverside County Sheriff's Dept, no warrant currently exists for Gardner in their system.  According to court records reviewed by TER the CA-DMV was notified of the case by the Riverside Court as the law requires.   


Gardner who is registered as a convicted sex offender in Riverside Co, was staying with his mother who lives in San Diego County near the crime scene. Chelsea King was last seen on last Thursday when she headed to the park for a jog.

http://theenterprisereport.typepad.com/news/2010/03/exclusive-sex-offender-accused-killer-john-gardner-stopped-by-police-3-weeks-prior-to-murder-of-chel.html


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I have been lurking around for sometime, trying to catch up on all the postings as there has been so much activity since the Chelsea King case.  Disgusting that this psychopath was allowed to walk the streets with these innocent children.  Makes me feel physically ill. 

In reading this article about JAG being stopped and that he did not provide law enforcement with registration for the vehicle.  What does that mean, he did not have current registration form? It had to be registered to someone, a previous owner, etc.  May not have been paid and current, but who did the vehicle belong to?  Or does this mean it was registered to him, however the paperwork was not with him in the vehicle??? So many questions, so little answers. 

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« Reply #590 on: March 06, 2010, 01:37:43 PM »

Posted: Saturday, 06 March 2010 3:41AM

FBI Will Analyze Contents of Bags Found in the Area

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Carter said the bag doesn't appear to be connected to the Dubois case, but an FBI evidence response team will analyze the contents.

Carter said other bags also were found Friday and the contents of those will be analyzed as well.
http://www.knx1070.com/Pond-Drained-Near-San-Diego--in-Search-for-Missing/6508785

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Investigators located a bag near the pond in Kit Carson Park that three children reported finding in May — three months after Amber Dubois, 14, vanished while walking to school, Escondido police Lt. Craig Carter said. The children told their parents the bag contained what looked like human hair, but the parents didn't think it significant at the time.

Pardon my French, but wtf? Didn’t think it was significant???? I missing girl in the area, what the bleep is wrong with everyone?  Unreal.

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« Reply #591 on: March 06, 2010, 01:47:42 PM »

Anyone see this yet?

http://www.knx1070.com/Police-Investigating-Vandalism-at-Home-Of-King-Sus/6487140

Someone vandalized the JAG's parents home.
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« Reply #592 on: March 06, 2010, 01:48:37 PM »

 I wonder if LE scoped out area's of the city to find a crime scene for Amber. Did they have dive teams in the area's lakes? Dogs out in all of the parks? Helicopters? With Chelsea they got lucky it was right there, but what if JAG took her by car to another area, then what?So I suppose the lesson could be if you are going to rape and murder someone make sure you take them to some other place? To me it sounds like lazy police work. I guess I don't accept that they did all they could do to find Amber. I am glad they are doing it now, lets hope they can find something, somewhere.
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« Reply #593 on: March 06, 2010, 01:53:40 PM »

It's a new day and we have found out a lot about JAG's mother, step-father and their extra curricular activities.  I am hoping that LE , the FBI and search teams do a thorough and complete search of the park today.  I am also hoping that they get more tips now that will lead them to Amber.  Amber needs to be found. 
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« Reply #594 on: March 06, 2010, 01:55:46 PM »

JAG's has spent a lot of time outside recently - his face and neck are very tanned compared to his arms and hands - outside with long sleeves and gloves - but no head cover? 

Is this part of his work?  Is this how he spotted his victims?  Just putting it out there...
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« Reply #595 on: March 06, 2010, 01:56:59 PM »

<a href="http://www.youtube.com/v/r1Lofbb15Pc&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;" target="_blank">http://www.youtube.com/v/r1Lofbb15Pc&amp;hl=en_US&amp;fs=1&amp;</a>
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« Reply #596 on: March 06, 2010, 01:57:30 PM »

I really should stop posting this because maybe I am wrong and now the F.B.I. team is on the scene but PARKS have been mentioned in our thread on Amber since early on and I have always had in my gut that Amber was taken North and the back way out of Escondido leads us to many parks..
 Dogs apparently got hits in certain areas and G. Park or the roads that lead to it, I have mentioned many times.
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« Reply #597 on: March 06, 2010, 02:00:32 PM »

There was construction going on across from the church along the road when Amber walked to school. Is it at all possible Gardner worked on that crew ?

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« Reply #598 on: March 06, 2010, 02:00:52 PM »

I wonder if LE scoped out area's of the city to find a crime scene for Amber. Did they have dive teams in the area's lakes? Dogs out in all of the parks? Helicopters? With Chelsea they got lucky it was right there, but what if JAG took her by car to another area, then what?So I suppose the lesson could be if you are going to rape and murder someone make sure you take them to some other place? To me it sounds like lazy police work. I guess I don't accept that they did all they could do to find Amber. I am glad they are doing it now, lets hope they can find something, somewhere.

The first three days of Amber's disappearance (Sat, Sun and holiday Mon) - the focus was on immediate family and home as LE were not convinced it was an abduction - sightings during the long weekend, which were of course bogus, only fueled that belief...
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« Reply #599 on: March 06, 2010, 02:01:03 PM »

JAG's has spent a lot of time outside recently - his face and neck are very tanned compared to his arms and hands - outside with long sleeves and gloves - but no head cover? 

Is this part of his work?  Is this how he spotted his victims?  Just putting it out there...

Ampersand I just posted a very detailed article in Chelsea's thread about JAG and his mother.  He was unemployed.  http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7233.msg1088676#msg1088676 

If you have not done so you will want to read the thread we created for JAG's step father and mother and what they do for fun. 

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=7303.0
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