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« Reply #20 on: June 10, 2009, 02:11:17 PM »

I can't find the video now, but it might be somewhere, but here is what I had in my notes. 

video
http://www.fox40.com/pages/search_for_sandra

I had written this in my notes

Johnny Williams is NOT RELATED to Fred Williams

Fred Williams is a member of the Clover Road Baptist Church where Clifford Lane Lawless is the pastor.

Johnny Williams is a man from Oakland who says he thought he saw Sandra in a boat with Fred Williams. He said the girl in the boat waved at him. He said the man in the boat was acting suspicious. He told the police what he saw but he says they did not follow up on it. He still says they did not. He says if they prove she died before April 2, 2009 then he guesses he is wrong. However, he seems very sure of this.

He said when he saw Fred Williams on the news he recognized him as the man in the boat with the girl who looked like Sandra.
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Fred Williams he telling the news reporters to get off his property at his home in Lathrop.


so it must have been in this video that I saw where fred was being chased down through the mobile home park in lathrop and he was telling them to get off his property.  It showed him going up the porch of the mobile home.  I think I even had a pic of him and the umber of the mobil, I have to try to find it.  if someone can locate the video it is problably on the one listed at the top of this post.
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« Reply #21 on: June 10, 2009, 02:18:54 PM »

What happened to the ogden sannazor drive house?
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« Reply #22 on: June 10, 2009, 02:21:25 PM »

I can't find the video now, but it might be somewhere, but here is what I had in my notes. 

video
http://www.fox40.com/pages/search_for_sandra

I had written this in my notes

Johnny Williams is NOT RELATED to Fred Williams

Fred Williams is a member of the Clover Road Baptist Church where Clifford Lane Lawless is the pastor.

Johnny Williams is a man from Oakland who says he thought he saw Sandra in a boat with Fred Williams. He said the girl in the boat waved at him. He said the man in the boat was acting suspicious. He told the police what he saw but he says they did not follow up on it. He still says they did not. He says if they prove she died before April 2, 2009 then he guesses he is wrong. However, he seems very sure of this.

He said when he saw Fred Williams on the news he recognized him as the man in the boat with the girl who looked like Sandra.
also

Fred Williams he telling the news reporters to get off his property at his home in Lathrop.


so it must have been in this video that I saw where fred was being chased down through the mobile home park in lathrop and he was telling them to get off his property.  It showed him going up the porch of the mobile home.  I think I even had a pic of him and the umber of the mobil, I have to try to find it.  if someone can locate the video it is problably on the one listed at the top of this post.

The man's tip about seeing him and sandra in the boat has always bothered me. This man was so convinced about what he saw.
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« Reply #23 on: June 10, 2009, 02:28:41 PM »

Williams said that the mysterious black suitcase Cantu was found in was reported stolen by another congregation member the same day Cantu disappeared.

"That suitcase was to go to the church for a rummage sale with some stuff in it and the person put it somewhere, either in the back of a car somewhere. But anyway, when she came back out the suitcase was gone," Williams said.

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« Reply #24 on: June 10, 2009, 02:29:49 PM »

btw. I have tons of early news articles.  I did have all the video links but I think the videos are gone now.
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« Reply #25 on: June 10, 2009, 02:40:14 PM »

I THINK the way I found the lathrop address was this.  I knew there was someone in lathrop, when I saw the video of fred williams walking through a mobile home park and going up the porch steps I saw a number on the mobile home.  so I took the name thread williams and looked for a mobile home park in lathrop which had the number on it.  I found one and assumed this must be his address.  then I looked him up at that address and found this.  Then I never looked for him any more, maybe I should look for him NOW  Monkey Devil!

I don't know if this is him or not, let me really dig and see,

what is the address everyone else has?

WILLIAMS, FRED EUGENE (Age 50)

Associated names:

WILLIAMS, FREAD
LATHROP, CA
RIVERBANK, CA
FRESNO, CA
MANTECA, CA
EVERETT, WA
ORLAND, CA
BELLEVUE, WA
FREMONT, CA
REDWOOD CITY, CA
WOODLAND, CA
BELMONT, CA

Possible Relatives:

WILLIAMS, LORI A
WILLIAMS, W
JENNINGS, LAURIE E
WILLIAMS, MISTY GAYLE (Age 35)
WILLIAMS, SHIRLEY ANN (Age 53)
RICAID WILLIAMS, ELLEN (Age 63)
WILLIAMS, JAMES T
WILLIAMS, LAWRENCE (Age 52)
WILLIAMS, GLENN

Possible Roommates / Associates:

WALKER PERDUE, WENDY R (Age 44)
HOWELL, CYNTHIA D (Age 54)
RICARDALI BRANDO, ERICA (Age 26)
MCATEE, SHASAHWN (Age 32)
HOWE, PAT (Age 73)
PENROD, KIEL (Age 27)



Fred E Williams
15820 S Harlan Rd, Trlr 67
Lathrop, CA 95330-8731
(209) 982-0835



With this phone #
(209) Edit-No phone numbers please

SAN JOSE, CA
STOCKTON, CA
SANTA CLARA, CA

Possible Relatives:

SAM, LYNN LIEN (Age 45)
SAMORANOS, SUSANNA D (Age 45)
SAMORANOS, JOHN CABARLOE (Age 79)
SAMORANOS, CRESCENCIA D (Age 84)
SAMORANOS, BILL D (Age 52)
HERNANDEZ, GLORY SAMORANOS (Age 44)
ZEIJNALI, PERLA DIMALANTA (Age 47)
SAMORANOS, ROBERT D (Age 49)
SAMORANOS, ISABELO D (Age 51)





LATHROP, CA
RIVERBANK, CA
FRESNO, CA
MANTECA, CA
EVERETT, WA
ORLAND, CA
BELLEVUE, WA
FREMONT, CA
REDWOOD CITY, CA
WOODLAND, CA
BELMONT, CA

Possible Relatives:

WILLIAMS, LORI A
WILLIAMS, W
JENNINGS, LAURIE E
WILLIAMS, MISTY GAYLE (Age 35)
WILLIAMS, SHIRLEY ANN (Age 53)
RICAIDWILLIAMS, ELLEN (Age 63)
WILLIAMS, JAMES T
WILLIAMS, LAWRENCE (Age 52)
WILLIAMS, GLENN




(209) Edit-No phone numbers please
STOCKTON, CA



(209) Edit-No phone numbers please
FRENCH CAMP, CA



(209) Edit-No phone numbers please
LATHROP, CA


(209) Edit-No phone numbers please
STOCKTON, CA



(209) Edit-No phone numbers please
LATHROP, CA

Possible Relatives:

WILLIAMS, FRED EUGENE (Age 50)
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« Reply #26 on: June 10, 2009, 02:48:21 PM »

So what happened to Anita Williams?
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« Reply #27 on: June 10, 2009, 02:58:42 PM »

I think I know of that mobil home park, yikes! Wouldn't step foot in there.

I am sitting here going 

does anyone remember the postings about the home in tracy, off 11th street? We talked about it was close by, it was expensive, he was married to Anita Williams? Now Anita williams is not married to a fred williams but living with a stephen williams but not at the same address  as the home we believed was fred and anita williams? 
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« Reply #28 on: June 10, 2009, 03:15:12 PM »

Williams said that the mysterious black suitcase Cantu was found in was reported stolen by another congregation member the same day Cantu disappeared.

"That suitcase was to go to the church for a rummage sale with some stuff in it and the person put it somewhere, either in the back of a car somewhere. But anyway, when she came back out the suitcase was gone," Williams said.

I have ALWAYS found that statement fishy!
I remember reading reports that there was No upcoming rummage sale for the church.
Too involved with *explaining away* the suitcase.
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« Reply #29 on: June 10, 2009, 03:24:40 PM »

I think I know of that mobil home park, yikes! Wouldn't step foot in there.

I am sitting here going 

does anyone remember the postings about the home in tracy, off 11th street? We talked about it was close by, it was expensive, he was married to Anita Williams? Now Anita williams is not married to a fred williams but living with a stephen williams but not at the same address  as the home we believed was fred and anita williams? 

I really don't know much about any of this, it is something I just never really looked at.  I remember someone saying there was an address in tracy but I never looked at it.  Where did it come from? 
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« Reply #30 on: June 10, 2009, 03:29:19 PM »

Williams said that the mysterious black suitcase Cantu was found in was reported stolen by another congregation member the same day Cantu disappeared.

"That suitcase was to go to the church for a rummage sale with some stuff in it and the person put it somewhere, either in the back of a car somewhere. But anyway, when she came back out the suitcase was gone," Williams said.

I have ALWAYS found that statement fishy!
I remember reading reports that there was No upcoming rummage sale for the church.
Too involved with *explaining away* the suitcase.

I agree the whole suitcase/rummage sale "explation" is just too weird, never made any since to me.  And then for Fred to be the one to write the "note from Sandra"(or so it is said HE is the one who wrote it) that is just more weird.  Then I have read where some people are saying fred owns a truck which looks like the one seen by the cadet near the pond.  Has anyoe verifeid any of this info?  If not, maybe we should try.
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« Reply #31 on: June 10, 2009, 03:31:15 PM »

let me go see if I can dig up info on fred williams, but I really need to know which one he is, there are so many williams names is impossible to just go through all of them.  do we have a birthdate on the right guy? 
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« Reply #32 on: June 10, 2009, 04:01:23 PM »

one article says williams is age 51, this would make his birthdate about 1958, so maybe that will help
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« Reply #33 on: June 10, 2009, 08:56:21 PM »

okay I went through the earlier posts on this forum before I had got here and found where posters were talking about the TRACY address they had for Fred Williams with Anita Williams.

there is some posting about it on this page of this forum
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4833.msg767130#msg767130

the address is listed on post
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it shows the house, the address and an intellius listinnng for anita williams with a frd williams also listed there. 

address is 220 Ogden Sannazor Dr, Tracy Ca 95377

it is showing on intellius as:
Anita Williams
age 50 yrs old
Tanika Williams
Lanetra Williams
Darwin Williams
Fred Williams
Williams Anita
Antwan Williams
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« Reply #34 on: June 10, 2009, 08:59:18 PM »

gee oooopps the address listed in previous post should be 2289 ogden Sannazor, tracy
don't know how I typed 220 for the address, my keyboard is a mess, I have worn out the keys LOL.  some are falling off and most no longer have the letters written on them, and they are sticking too.  gee.  It's not even 2 years old!!! see what these crime cases will do to a computer  Monkey Devil!

ok let me look up this address

2289 ogden Sannazor, tracy
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« Reply #35 on: June 10, 2009, 09:01:52 PM »

wow that is pretty weird, I punched in the address and nothing comes up.  just says available but all the names have been removed out of the database !!! 

2289 OGDEN SANNAZOR TRACY, CA

2 Matches Found
  Name/AKAs Phone Address City, State Possible Relatives   
1.  Available
 Available(1) Available TRACY, CA   
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2.  Available
 Available(1) Available TRACY, CA

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« Reply #36 on: June 10, 2009, 09:08:23 PM »

WILLIAMS, ANITA E (Age 51)

Associated names:

GIBSON, ANITA E

Possible Employment / Business Associations:

 STEPHEN L WILLIAMS, INC
 TRACY, CA
SAN JOSE, CA

 Possible Relatives:

WILLIAMS, STEPHEN L (Age 57)
WILLIAMS, NICHOLAS (Age 22)

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a different database says, no Anita, but these are there

Antwan L Williams
2289 Ogden Sannazor Dr
Tracy, CA 95377-8994
Household: Fred L Williams, Lanetra Williams, Tanika Williams

Fred L Williams
2289 Ogden Sannazor Dr
Tracy, CA 95377-8994
Household: Lanetra Williams, Antwan Williams, Tanika Williams

Lanetra Williams
2289 Ogden Sannazor Dr
Tracy, CA 95377-8994
Household: Fred L Williams, Antwan Williams, Tanika Williams

Tanika T Williams
2289 Ogden Sannazor Dr
Tracy, CA 95377-8994
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« Reply #37 on: June 10, 2009, 09:35:08 PM »

Name: Anita E Williams
[Anita E Gibson] 
Birth Date: Jun 1957
Address: 17159 Los Padres, Tracy, California 95376-0801 (1993)
[17129 Los Padred Dr, Tracy, California 95376-0401 (1992)]
[15115 Clayton Rd, San Jose, California 95127] 


17159 LOS PADRES TRACY, CA

GRETNA, NE
FREMONT, NE
SCOTTSBLUFF, NE
AURORA, CO
TRACY, CA
CENTENNIAL, CO
SAN RAMON, CA
PLEASANTON, CA

Possible Relatives:

MOTTERSHEAD, PETER W (Age 61)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

BURKSTALLER, NANCIE JEAN (Age 46)
FISHER, FRANCIS E (Age 87)
KRAMBECK, HOWARD C (Age 69)
WILKINS, JOSEPH ALAN (Age 37)
SCHNACK, BEVERLY KAY (Age 58)
COTE, AMBER R (Age 38)
 

Possible Employment / Business Associations:

 STEPHEN L WILLIAMS, INC
  TRACY, CA
SAN JOSE, CA

Possible Relatives:

WILLIAMS, STEPHEN L (Age 57)
WILLIAMS, NICHOLAS (Age 22)




Possible Employment / Business Associations:

 BRAVO CONSTRUCTION 17 General Contractors-Single-Family Houses
  TRACY, CA
LIVERMORE, CA
OAKLAND, CA

Possible Relatives:

BETTENCOURT, ARTURO B (Age 42)
BRAVO, ROBERTO R (Age 39)
BRAVO, RAMONA R
BRAVO, MARIBEL (Age 33)
BRAVO, LLANET O (Age 37)
BRAVO, RIOS DANIEL
BRAVO, RIOS ROBERT
BRAVO, RAMONA R




 LIVERMORE, CA
TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

BRAVO, DANIEL R (Age 38)
BRAVO, ROBERTO R (Age 39)
BETTENCOURT, ARTURO B (Age 42)
BRAVO, LLANET O (Age 37)
BRAVO, RIOS DANIEL
 



Possible Employment / Business Associations:

 STEPHEN L WILLIAMS, INC
 A TRACY, CA
SAN JOSE, CA

Possible Relatives:

WILLIAMS, ANITA E (Age 51)
WILLIAMS, NICHOLAS (Age 22)
 




 GRETNA, NE
AURORA, CO
PLEASANTON, CA
SCOTTSBLUFF, NE
CENTENNIAL, CO
TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

MOTTERSHEAD, JANET LEE (Age 50)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

BURKSTALLER, NANCIE JEAN (Age 46)
 



 TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

WILLIAMS, ANITA E (Age 51)
WILLIAMS, STEPHEN L (Age 57)
 




 TRACY, CA

Possible Relatives:

BRAVO, MARIBEL (Age 33)
BRAVO, DANIEL R (Age 38)
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15115 CLAYTON SAN JOSE, CA<<

Possible Employment / Business Associations:

 STEPHEN L WILLIAMS, INC
  TRACY, CA
SAN JOSE, CA

 Possible Relatives:

WILLIAMS, STEPHEN L (Age 57)
WILLIAMS, NICHOLAS (Age 22) 


SAN JOSE, CA

Possible Relatives:

HARRIS, BETTY H (Age 84)
HARRIS, CHARLES S 



SAN JOSE, CA
PALM CITY, FL

Possible Relatives:

HARRIS, ELIZABETH
HARRIS, BETTY H (Age 84)

Possible Roommates / Associates:

WAGNER, SHARON ELIZABETH (Age 56)
WAGNER, CHARLES PATRICK (Age 58)
WAGNER, ROBERT LOUIS (Age 51)


there are a bunch of names at this address but these are the only famliar last names.
 
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« Reply #38 on: June 10, 2009, 09:38:11 PM »

Name: Anita E Williams
Spouse: Stephen L 
City: Tracy 
State: California 
Zip Code: 95304
Phone Number: 209 Edit-No phone numbers please
Residence Years: 1995 1996 1997 

at this phone #
209-Edit-No phone numbers please

TRACY, CA
SAN JOSE, CA

Possible Relatives:

WILLIAMS, STEPHEN L (Age 57)
WILLIAMS, NICHOLAS (Age 22)


GRANADA HILLS, CA
SAINT GEORGE, UT
LAKE HAVASU CITY, AZ
MODESTO, CA
NORTHRIDGE, CA
PHOENIX, AZ

Possible Relatives:

ELLIS, RICHARD DARYL (Age 62)
ELLIS, MARIE W (Age 93)
ELL, ALBERT JR (Age 44)
DOMINIQUEELL, NICOLE E (Age 33)
ELLIS, HUGH
 
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« Reply #39 on: June 10, 2009, 09:40:01 PM »

California Marriage Index, 1960-1985
about Anita E Gibson
Name: Anita E Gibson
Age: 22 
Est. Birth: abt 1957 
Spouse Name: Stephen L Williams
Spouse Age: 27 
Est. Spouse Birth: abt 1952 
Date: 1 Sep 1979
Location: Los Angeles 
 
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