Natalee Case Discussion #821 7/13/09 - 7/28/09

[texasmom]

7/17/2009 Bondia  Page A24

http://www.bondia.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=2

Look at Van der Straten's head in comparision to the others in the photo.

   

[texasmom]

(HT Blonde)






http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5127.1200

Buckeye

In the middle picture, the guy on the far left, in blue shirt and blue jeans, has the same eyes/look as the "scary" guy, in the corner, in the Mos picture on the Persistence. The guy on boat looked heavier and had less hair but the face looks the same.

From this article, I think he may be "press" too.  Diario?

http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=3

[texasmom]

Truth & Justice for Natalee!

[texasmom]

 


7/15/2009 Awe Mainta Front Page

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Papiamentu translation:

is break kaak (jaw) of preso in kia

yesterday nightfall one action serious owing to surgi on territory of kia hour cu the presonan owing to cuminsa play one game of futbol. chris williams child of the conocido micheal williams owing to wordo beat formalmente till cu his kaak (jaw) owing to wordo break y have to owing to wordo transporta for hospital. all cos is indica cu the gang of dakota did take vengasa y owing to try silencia chris williams cu is being see of owing to reda other acolyte of the gang.

[texasmom]

7/15/2009 Awe Mainta Page 2

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Papiamentu translation:

controlador of casino cu owing to estafa person deteni
 
actualmente have one controlador of casino deteni, relaciona cu denuncia cu owing to being haci contra his person of estafa, esta was take coin of several person y organisacion, because past owing to tell cu the organisando biahe for panama. one organisacion of baseball owing to bay entregu’e the suma of 25 thousand guilder, but because; not owing to hay’e at home, the organisacion here owing to scapa of lose his 25 thousand guilder. the person here, d.b. self is march tell of is guarda-espalda of first minister nel oduber y because; such the self is tell of have permission for carga arm of candela. kico of verdad have in this, t’e investigacion will have to conduci n’esaki. yesterday huez comisario owing to prolonga detencion of d.b.

[texasmom]

7/15/2009 Awe Mainta Page 2

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Papiamentu translation:

of acuerdo cu relato annual corte of husticia at aruba owing to deal more caso hudicial cu another islands of antiyas
 
the various tribunalnan at all cu owing to estafa person deteni the 5 islands of antilles y aruba year ago owing to deal the overall formidabel of 27.745 caso on all territory of husticia for of civil till criminal till casonan fiscal y casonan of ámbtenaar. one detaye interesting, year ago had prácticamente more cu one caso for day of casonan of ámbtenaar for one overall of 378 caso of cualnan the majority (207) did take lugar at aruba (!) sigi for còrsow cu 153 caso. at saba not had none casi of ámbtenaar cu owing to take away gobierno fast. the variedad of casonan cu corte is deal all year is many diversificá, because majority of person is identificá corte cu casonan penal cu not necesariamente was in majority. casonan penal year ago 1640 on all the 6 islands, while cu casonan of violacion of regulation had 14.495. interesting t’e mature cu year ago had 338 caso of mula cu owing to stay grab cu drugs y have to owing to bay fast huez y all the casonan here (338) was at corsow. casonan lar was 1413 on all 6 island cu majority of they at aruba (1086). in caso all categoria of caso can notice one aumento cu excepcion of casonan of bancarota cu at aruba was 26 two year behind another, but at corsow they owing to descend of 32 for 14 caso.

[texasmom]

7/16/2009 Awe Mainta Page 27

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Papiamentu translation:

witness is denuncia hombernan cu owing to ranca child muher bay cune in car

tuesday nightfall 3.15, one person is calling keep of police y is count ; police kico past owing to see. the is tell police cu past owing to see one child muher of more or less 16 year color dark, wordo grab for one man y lastra hinca in one car hyunday color blao model old. the witness is tell cu in the car had one man color dark sit behind stuur. after cu they owing to hinca the child muher in car, they owing to core bay cu velocidad high in nijhoffstraat, direccion east. n’e cruzada nijhoffstraat/ juana dead, the car owing to lora bay direccion panort. according informacion cu the witness owing to give the child was dress at cora. the witness is tell cu locual cu owing to happen was fast of one cas at weg kustbatterij. police owing to bay n’e cas y owing to beat, but none person not owing to contesta. also police owing to core busca all caminda in becindario, but not owing to come across cu nothing.

[texasmom]

Truth & Justice for Natalee!

 

[texasmom]

(HT Blonde)






http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5127.1200

Buckeye

In the middle picture, the guy on the far left, in blue shirt and blue jeans, has the same eyes/look as the "scary" guy, in the corner, in the Mos picture on the Persistence. The guy on boat looked heavier and had less hair but the face looks the same.

From this article, I think he may be "press" too.  Diario?
http://www.arubatoday.com/index.php?option=com_flippingbook&book_id=3

Yes, he's from Diario...anybody know his name?   

http://www.24ora.com/content/view/10434/5/

[2NJSons_Mom]

[Tamikosmom]

Considering Debbie's personal relationship with Dave and Robin Holloway as well as her connection with John Silvetti ... I believe the following word in her posts.

When Kyle Kingsman's posts are considered regarding John Silvetti affording the enemy unchallenged possession of what may have been Natalee Holloway's remains ... inquiring minds want to know why Dave Holloway and Tim Miller are working together with Silvetti in the raising of funds for the purpose of investigating remaining targets.

Janet

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Debbie
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
« Reply #598 on: June 18, 2009, 11:29:24 PM »

Louis, John, Tim and Dave are trying to get the funds to complete the search on the targets.... they are working together.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5127.msg845027#msg845027

[Tamikosmom]

A REMINDER!


ROBIN HOLLOWAY
December, 2007

Dave is currently on his way home to Meridian. Beth is on her way back also. They met with the KLPD and OM yesterday. I guess there is a miscommunication between interrogation and questioning. They had a lot of questions for Dave and Beth in efforts to help Natalee’s case and dispel a lot of nasty rumours. Also, Dave and Beth had a lot of questions for them too in regards to Natalee’s case. The meeting went well and they are working hard, but we don’t know what will happen next and pray this water search will turn up something.  As far as Julia, we have stayed in contact with her and she truly does care for Natalee and wants to know what happened to her as much as anyone else. Dave was able to meet with Mark for a little while last night while he was there and had a nice visit. It is good to know they are still there and willing to help. Please know they are still there too for Natalee ...

For now, waiting on Dave to get home and will watch the news or wait on that phone call to see what will happen next. It’s been a long two and a half years and never dreamed this much time would go by with no answers. Thanks to all of you for your continued support and for hanging in there with us. Thank you Debbie for coming to Meridian to hang out with the girls, Matt and me. I was a nervous wreck and glad you were able to make time for us this weekend. Brooke just got in from a playdate and was upset she didn’t get to say goodbye Sad I don’t think she realized you would be gone before she got home.

The boat should be in Aruba depending on the weather between Thurs and Saturday. Will keep you updated.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=2409.msg311317#msg311317


THE VISUAL DIVE

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman: I requested all samples to be brought on board the Persistence for visual and top-side photographs. It was ignored by the project lead (John S.) who felt the Arubans would follow whatever they needed to do as far as proper protocol.

Kyle Kingman:  his occurred on Dec 30th when the Arubans told us there wasn't anything of interest in the trap based on the visual-only inspection (Dateline and Tim Miller present). After the Dec 30th dive John didn't want Tim Miller on board the Persistence because he said Tim wasn't necessary any more and was a liability.  I don't know what that exactly means, but Tim wasn't hurting anything except releasing the statements to the press and Holloways that we found Natalee. Although likely true ...

Kyle Kingman:  On the night of the 30th (I believe this was Tim's last night on the Persistence) I approached Tim and proposed some ideas to him. I suggested that we shouldn't take the Aruban Polis divers at their word and proceed with planning a recovery of the trap. Also, I proposed the trap site may not be pristine or the Polis may have already knew about it. This statement was backed up by several comments we heard, behavior we observed, and other things. Tim told me he thought I was right but didn't know what to do about it.

Kyle Kingman:  I hadn't slept in 48 hours. I crashed for a few hours rest and by the time I got up Dateline and Tim Miller had left the boat. That is when John [Silvetti] assumed full control over the remainder of the project and had us searching in the deepest portions of our search area which coincided with Richardson's remarks. Richardson told us after the Jan-7th dive to keep searching in deep water.

Kyle Kingman: He (Tim Miller) stepped off on or about the 1st of Jan to follow up on the false lead in Costa Rica.

Kyle Kingman: We're being fed misinformation to keep us searching and out of their way while they cover their asses, destroy evidence, cover their tracks, and keep us out at sea and away from the trap.


THE RECOVERY DIVE

KYLE KINGMAN - IN HIS OWN WORDS

Kyle Kingman:  For Jan 7th, Eduardo wasn't on the boat, neither were any media, Tim Miller, or Tim Trahan.

Kyle Kingman: The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

Kyle Kingman: The Persistence had no divers on the 7th. Tim Trahan was our diver on the 30th-Dec, but he was out of the country at the time. The Aruban divers were on the police boat, dove from their boat, and returned to their boat.

Kyle Kingman: They were immediately whisked away by the Aruban police and not seen of again by us on the 7th

Kyle Kingman:  The bags were deliberately placed there after the divers sampled the contents. The bags were removed just after the ROV got out of the way when the divers took the samples to their boat.... and took off.

Kyle Kingman: The fabric(s?) are not visible on either the Dec 29th or 30th dives. There is about an inch of sand over the fabrics. The fabrics are completely covered. The diver sampled the sand and found the fabric underneath the sand. He then bagged the blue fabric. If the other bag contains fabric, it was also in the sand. There was also something possibly recovered from far inside the trap. In the video the diver is inside the trap with just below his knees showing.

Kyle Kingman: In my opinion, the blue fabric is quite possibly Natalee's skirt. The divers found the denim where I suggested a week earlier (Dec 29th) to Tim Miller that there was likely Natalee's denim skirt under the sand. Also in my opinion, the deni-like fabric is a match in terms of color, quantity, and structure to Natalee's skirt. It's not a lot of denim folded in the bag, but then again her skirt was rather small.

Kyle Kingman: I get done in the survey room backing up the ROV dive and head to the back deck to talk to the Polis divers and see what they sampled and see the Polis boat way in the distance heading away fast. John doesn't seem concerned at all, but I am very dissapointed, concerned, and burning inside because I have a feeling that I/we will never know what they took from the trap. That evening I talked to John asking when we plan on recovering the trap. Previously this was part of the talks and plan, but this time he doesn't seem concerned about ever looking into the trap further. After John verbally BASHED me about the trap for what I said to Tim Miller about the sand body-form and that I believed her skirt was under the sand, John pretty much committed himself to the belief the trap wasn't what we were after. This shocked me because it was exactly what we were looking for- a fish trap lost at sea with human remains.

Kyle Kingman:  I personally was extremely uncomfortable with the chain of custody, being that we weren't a part of it, but I was powerless to do anything about it. The samples were photographed in detail by one Aruban diver and the other two investigated the contents of the trap, the dimensions, the rigging, and what surrounded the trap. From the video, it looked like they did a diligent and careful job with the samples and the underwater photography. I don't know who has these pictures, but I must assume ALE.

Kyle Kingman:  John is not a believer in the trap. He took ALE's word as gospel that it wasn't case related, yet never studied the videos or bothered to inquire further. He had plans on doing business with Aruba and in S. America and he didn't want to hurt any feelings by talks hinting at lack of complete trust and friendship. I did not feel the same and we had a major difference in opinion. He was the one who never pressed ALE to be completely open with us with the trap evidence. I would have forced them to. However, John was the one paying my invoices so I was forced to sit back and hope for the best.

[Tamikosmom]

In December, 2008 ... SS got it!!  What/who changed her position?

Janet

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SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #697 on: December 06, 2008, 03:26:15 PM »

I have pretty much been a believer that Natalee was buried on land, but after Kyle's calculations, I don't think so anymore.  Kyle is a trained oceanographer and he has been taught how to make those calculations of objects on the ocean floor.  Kyle's calculations are actually the first piece of scientific data that we have after three and a half years.  I wonder if it would be too much of a stretch to hope that the release of the cage photographs somehow has forced Rudy's hand???  They can't deny any longer that something was in the cage.  There are photographs to prove the lie.  Whether or not they have destroyed the actual cage contents remains to be seen.  If the evidence has been destroyed, Richardson and Mos could also be in trouble along with Paulass and Uncle Jan.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg569178#msg569178

[klaasend]

http://www.forbes.com/feeds/afx/2009/07/16/afx6663038.html

Thomson Reuters
Valero completes Aruba refinery shutdown
07.16.09, 10:57 AM EDT
 

NEW YORK, July 16 (Reuters) - Valero Energy Corp said on Thursday it had completed the process of shutting down its entire 275,000-barrel-per-day refinery in Aruba for economic reasons.

Bill Day, a company spokesman, also told Reuters in an email that the top U.S. refiner would mull a possible restart of the plant after it reevaluates economic conditions in about two to three months.

[Magnolia]

In December, 2008 ... SS got it!!  What/who changed her position?

Janet

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SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #697 on: December 06, 2008, 03:26:15 PM »

I have pretty much been a believer that Natalee was buried on land, but after Kyle's calculations, I don't think so anymore.  Kyle is a trained oceanographer and he has been taught how to make those calculations of objects on the ocean floor.  Kyle's calculations are actually the first piece of scientific data that we have after three and a half years.  I wonder if it would be too much of a stretch to hope that the release of the cage photographs somehow has forced Rudy's hand???  They can't deny any longer that something was in the cage.  There are photographs to prove the lie.  Whether or not they have destroyed the actual cage contents remains to be seen.  If the evidence has been destroyed, Richardson and Mos could also be in trouble along with Paulass and Uncle Jan.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg569178#msg569178

I remember asking SS that same question when she was still posting here.
She said that she never believed it was Natalee in the cage and never said that she did.
I knew she had said otherwise on several occasions.

[Tamikosmom]

What/Who is the influence that persuaded SS to backtrack and once again embrace CAPS and his following as well as John Silvetti?

In all my efforts in the accumulating and compiling of info regarding the Persistence undertaking ... this piece of the puzzle will not fit.

 

Janet

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SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #702 on: December 06, 2008, 03:41:17 PM »

Tim became a liability because her had the film footage from the 29th and the 30th.  He knew what was in the cage.  Just from the original Photographs on the 29th, we can clearly see a skull and a shoe.  I think Tim probably became a source of contention and was distracted away from the ship so the contents could be turned over to ALE.  Tim has to have figured out what happened.  I wonder if it's difficult for him to look at Beth and Dave in their eyes.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg569184#msg569184

[Tamikosmom]

In December, 2008 ... SS got it!!  What/who changed her position?

Janet

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SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #782 12/5/08 -
« Reply #697 on: December 06, 2008, 03:26:15 PM »

I have pretty much been a believer that Natalee was buried on land, but after Kyle's calculations, I don't think so anymore.  Kyle is a trained oceanographer and he has been taught how to make those calculations of objects on the ocean floor.  Kyle's calculations are actually the first piece of scientific data that we have after three and a half years.  I wonder if it would be too much of a stretch to hope that the release of the cage photographs somehow has forced Rudy's hand???  They can't deny any longer that something was in the cage.  There are photographs to prove the lie.  Whether or not they have destroyed the actual cage contents remains to be seen.  If the evidence has been destroyed, Richardson and Mos could also be in trouble along with Paulass and Uncle Jan.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4209.msg569178#msg569178

I remember asking SS that same question when she was still posting here.
She said that she never believed it was Natalee in the cage and never said that she did.
I knew she had said otherwise on several occasions.

Magnolia

I tend to believe that there is a master of deception with influence who has convinced our Prodical Monkeys that justice for Natalee Holloway and closure for her family must take a backseat.  Is it John Silvetti that is being protected?

 

Janet
 

[Tamikosmom]

 

I cannot figure out why SS saw the light but ... returned to to dark.

Janet

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Tamikosmom
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #778 11/23/08 -
« Reply #774 on: November 24, 2008, 10:39:01 PM »

I wish Kyle would respond to these allegations.

Thanks SS.

Janet

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4173.msg556243#msg556243


SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #778 11/23/08 -
« Reply #784 on: November 24, 2008, 10:46:48 PM »

Dinners over... I ate my crow and it didn't very good at all.  I am so sorry for going at you.  I was so convinced that everything and everyone involved with Perisistence were above reproach.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4173.msg556257;topicseen#msg556257

[Tamikosmom]

SS even had CAPS' role as a distrator in the Persistence saga all figured out.  This woman had an amazing ability to perfectly comprehended the entire picture almost immediately following the revelation of Kyle Kingman's own words.

Janet

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SS
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #775 11/16/08 thru
on: November 17, 2008, 08:32:15 PM 

Monkeys - Kyle said that he discovered the trap on the screen very early Christmas morning.  That's when Tim said  "it looks like a skull".  The contents of the trap were cleaned on January 7th.  Persistence continued to use side scan sonor to map the ocean floor well into February.  Now how could they justify all of those extra weeks of searching for a missing American woman if they had already found her in the beginning of January?  They also needed to get our focus off of Persistence and the ocean search.  Viola!  Caps enters the picture to tell us about Manserat Pond.  The picture of the cage was never supposed to be released and I'm sure that caused big trouble.  All of the evidence disappeared.  The fabric sent to Quantico wasn't Natalee's blouse.  There wasn't anything else in the cage - it was just a coconut or a piece of coral.  Back to the ocean search for Peristence so that they could continue with the grids and their non profit search.

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4129.msg546635#msg546635

[Tamikosmom]

bastibro
Re: Natalee Case Discussion #820 6/10/09 -
« Reply #1235 on: June 28, 2009, 02:26:05 PM »

I think SS just came to her senses, unlike some others
It`s also possible that she is more informed

http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=5127.msg855695#msg855695