Natalee Case Discussion #821 7/13/09 - 7/28/09

[hotping]

Good Morning texasmom, jen3560, wreck! 

Good morning Hotping! 

We had some thunderstorms late last night and quite a bit of rain, I'm hoping you're getting some of the rain too!

Here's hoping today we're one day closer to Truth and Justice for Natalee!   

No Rain Yet TM...But I'm Hopeful Today will be the Day that will get some! 

[Tamikosmom]

Janet - you and I are on the same page, my friend. 

I sincerely believe we are too Jen.  This why I ... on an ongoing basis ... I have  sincerely tried to comprehend why it is like walking on egg shells in regard to our relationship.

 

Janet

We both have good hearts, great intentions, and damned fierce dedication.

We just don't agree on certain things, from which neither of us is willing to back down.

The traits in my first sentence are what contribute to my second sentence.

It's all good, my friend.

You hit the nail of on the head!

Unless proved otherwise ... compromise for either of us on the Natalee Holloway issues ... in regards to our respective perceptions ... is not going to happen.



Good Morning Jen.  Good Mornng Monkeys.

Janet
6:45 AM PT

[hotping]

Janet - you and I are on the same page, my friend. 

I sincerely believe we are too Jen.  This why I ... on an ongoing basis ... I have  sincerely tried to comprehend why it is like walking on egg shells in regard to our relationship.

 

Janet

We both have good hearts, great intentions, and damned fierce dedication.

We just don't agree on certain things, from which neither of us is willing to back down.

The traits in my first sentence are what contribute to my second sentence.

It's all good, my friend.

I'm very thankful for both of you, and everything you do for Natalee and her family.   

Ditto! 

[jen3560]

This just makes me want to vomit.

IF that was Paulus, and he's at that bar with his son Val.............well - I've always firmly believed he was at that casino next to Natalee.  So IF this is simply him carrying on with the next son in line.........targeting young women..........


 

Same event at Sr. Frogs 7/22/09

http://www.coolaruba.com/component/option,com_gallery2/Itemid,28/?g2_itemId=1031859

[hotping]

This just makes me want to vomit.

IF that was Paulus, and he's at that bar with his son Val.............well - I've always firmly believed he was at that casino next to Natalee.  So IF this is simply him carrying on with the next son in line.........targeting young women..........


 

Same event at Sr. Frogs 7/22/09

http://www.coolaruba.com/component/option,com_gallery2/Itemid,28/?g2_itemId=1031859

Makes Me sick Too! But I have to say that it doesn't really look like Paulus to Me! Too Much hair and The guy looks younger....JMO!

[hotping]

Good Morning Janet! 

[jen3560]

Good morning Monkeys!

Hotping, I sure hope you're right, and that it's NOT Paulus.

But he coulda gotten a hairpiece..........?

Especially after seeing his aging self on TV so many times over the past 4 years.

Regardless - I will never understand the "older" folks carrying on at an establishment (such as Sr Frog's) that is so geared toward a younger crowd.

Both the "older" men AND women.

Sick and Wrong come to mind.

[jen3560]

Janet - you and I are on the same page, my friend. 

I sincerely believe we are too Jen.  This why I ... on an ongoing basis ... I have  sincerely tried to comprehend why it is like walking on egg shells in regard to our relationship.

 

Janet

We both have good hearts, great intentions, and damned fierce dedication.

We just don't agree on certain things, from which neither of us is willing to back down.

The traits in my first sentence are what contribute to my second sentence.

It's all good, my friend.

You hit the nail of on the head!

Unless proved otherwise ... compromise for either of us on the Natalee Holloway issues ... in regards to our respective perceptions ... is not going to happen.



Good Morning Jen.  Good Mornng Monkeys.

Janet
6:45 AM PT

 

And that is precisely why it's all good.  We have both, at times, brought differing perspectives to the table.  That can only help with thought processes and ideas.

[jen3560]

Janet - you and I are on the same page, my friend. 

I sincerely believe we are too Jen.  This why I ... on an ongoing basis ... I have  sincerely tried to comprehend why it is like walking on egg shells in regard to our relationship.

 

Janet

We both have good hearts, great intentions, and damned fierce dedication.

We just don't agree on certain things, from which neither of us is willing to back down.

The traits in my first sentence are what contribute to my second sentence.

It's all good, my friend.

You hit the nail of on the head!

Unless proved otherwise ... compromise for either of us on the Natalee Holloway issues ... in regards to our respective perceptions ... is not going to happen.



Good Morning Jen.  Good Mornng Monkeys.

Janet
6:45 AM PT

 

And that is precisely why it's all good.  We have both, at times, brought differing perspectives to the table.  That can only help with thought processes and ideas.

I needed to add..........

It has also caused you and I to butt heads a time or two - but we got past that, and we always will be able to just keep moving forward.

[hotping]

Good morning Monkeys!

Hotping, I sure hope you're right, and that it's NOT Paulus.

But he coulda gotten a hairpiece..........?

Especially after seeing his aging self on TV so many times over the past 4 years.

Regardless - I will never understand the "older" folks carrying on at an establishment (such as Sr Frog's) that is so geared toward a younger crowd.

Both the "older" men AND women.

Sick and Wrong come to mind.

Anything is Possible Jen...  Yes...The Grown ups on Aruba need to Grow Up!   

[Tamikosmom]

Kermit, that post of Debbie's condemning us for our take on the Persistence was really put in prospective  when it is posted alongside that report of the money shareholders lost.  Sounds to me like they had to get the he$$ out of Dodge and searching for Natalee filled that bill perfectly.  Now what did they do with all that money?  Was money traded to the Aruban government for something in return?  Oil is the only thing that comes to mind.  JMO

January 7th dive on cage/trap that contains evidence
The RV Persistence did what from Jan 7th through March 1??? Inquiring minds want to know.

Locals to assist in Holloway search
Deep water surveyors head to Aruba today
Bob Moser
bmoser@theadvertiser.com

A team of deep water surveyors from Acadiana is on its way to Aruba today to scan the ocean floor for the body of an Alabama girl who went more than missing two years ago.
It's a volunteer effort that will cost more than $1 million and hopefully bring closure to the search for Natalee Holloway.

Louis Schaefer, a Houston resident and former president of Superior Offshore International in Lafayette, has organized the team and is covering much of the costs himself. Marine Surveys of Lafayette, a sister company of the Silvetti Group, is donating its 120-foot research vessel, the Persistence. It should have left late Thursday night from the Port of Iberia with Schaefer and a team of marine geologists and archaeologists.

The Persistence should arrive in Aruba on Thursday or Friday of next week, and is expected to stay there and use sonar to map the sea floor in search for anomalies, which investigators now say could be where Holloway's body was dropped, said Marc Broussard, project manager with Marine Surveys.

"Louis Schaefer approached us with the idea to assist, and after meeting the family we understood someone had to step up," Broussard said. "We are all parents here, we want to help these people. Their biggest wish is to have a funeral for their daughter, and we want to rectify that in their life. As a parent, that's the most important thing, to get some closure."

Schaefer told Fox News Channel's Greta Van Susteren that investigators now believe Holloway's body may have been placed in a crab trap and dropped in a deep ocean trench off Aruba's coast. The good thing, he said, is the water temperature there would preserve her remains, and there's less ocean life that deep to disturb the body.

The R/V Persistence can map 1,000 feet below the water's surface, and detect items as small as a crab trap.

"We will be there till we reach a happy conclusion, or we've mapped out all the area," Broussard said.

http://tinyurl.com/2qh422

The above article was from November 30, 2007.

John Silvetti will claim that that Marc Broussard was referring to the mapping out the area for something Natalee Holloway related.

Think about it.  It would make perfect business sense if the Persistence undertaking was two fold ... mapping for oil and search for Natalee Holloway's remains.  I personally would consider nothing wrong with the plan if IF John Silvetti had been forthright right from the getgo.

However ... John Silvetti had a problem.  Donations to TES on behalf of the venutre  would be substantially lower when the business aspect of the venture was considered.

Janet

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THE SEARCH FOR NATALEE HOLLOWAY

Kyle Kingman - 02/15/2008
Although we have searched and ruled out an extensive portion of the original planned search area, a substantial portion of the high-probability area yet remains to be explored. Now, following a publicly confirmed admission that Natalee Holloway was disposed at sea, we are confident that completing the focused search area will bring closure. We therefore formally invite and request anyone who this humanitarian effort has touched to get involved and to help support the remaining search efforts. Donations are being handled by Texas Equusearch, a 501 (c) (3) nonprofit organization. Please come beside those who have already given so much to help ensure a proper funeral in Alabama for Natalee Holloway. Please make all donations marked as: "Holloway search".

To learn more about Texas Equusearch and to help support the search for Natalee Holloway, check out: http://www.texasequusearch.org/donate.html

Texas EquuSearch Office:
4013 FM 517, Suite B
Dickinson, Texas 77539
P. O. Box 395, Dickinson, Texas 77539

Office: (281) 309-9500
Fax: (281) 534-6719
Toll Free: (877) 270-9500
Email: donate@texasequusearch.org

Posted by Kyle Kingman
http://nholloway.blogspot.com/2008/02/support-effort.html

[Tamikosmom]

From: j.silvetti@xxxxx
To: capslockwizard@xxxx
Subject: RE: Question?
Date: Mon, 24 Nov 2008 14:39:18 -0600


Caps,
 
Hello my friend. It has been a long time.  I do not know what the Ocean Explorer is.  If it is a vessel, it is certainly not mine. I do not know who Kermit is and I can tell you that since the crew members are employees of mine, mostly, except for the contractors who signed non-disclosure statements and other 3rd Party company personnel, it does not make sense.


0A
There were stories which were addressed in an interview with Ein Vandaag regarding our boat searching for oil before the vessel ever left the U.S.  I have not addressed any of these bullshit artists as I do not feel that the effort which was put forth by so many of us regarding the search and all that continues to take place in support of finding  Natalee’s remains are worth addressing.  The problem is that these people have nothing else to do but stir the pot.  They really need to get a life and put their efforts towards helping in the search.
 
I would like to see this photo of a man in a red shirt on the boat.  I have not seen it.  Could you please forward it to me.  I am sorry to hear that you and our group is being dragged in the mud by these people.  I was told of this last week, but, have chosen not to respond to people like this.  We know what we did and what we are doing.  That is good enough for me and the Holloway family.  As for that supposed skull in the cage, that is all bull and quite frankly, I believe you r initial story of what that cage was being used for is probably correct.
 
Someday, hopefully, we will find her and all this garbage will be put to rest.  By the way, have you spoken with our friend?  I have sent him several emails with no response.  Please ask him to call me.
 
Best Regards,
John




From: Caps Lock [mailto:xxxx
Sent: Monday, November 24, 2008 12:15 AM
To: John Silvetti
Subject: Question?
 
Hi John, hope everything is well,
 
Long time not hearing anything about the Ocean Explorer. but last night I went to the SM forum, where I found someone called KERMIT, who is stateing 3 of the crew member are traitors..
 
I was in shock to see that your name is one on the names mention.
 
Other thing that was mention was that your company where not searching for Natalee, but where doing a survay for Oil exploration on the bottom of the ocean around Aruba.

I Just want you to know that it seems to be that this Kermit has some info that show that your company are dealing in corruption.
 
There is a photo circulating that show a man in a red T-shirt on the boat and they are claming that that is an FBI agent.
 
They are also saying that the Skul was Human skull., I did asked you and you told me that there was noting in=2 0the cage.
 
I know there was an incident with Tim , but the detail I do not remember....
 
Please John, I hope it is not so..please let me know....I just wanted to defent you, since they are saying that CAPS is related to the OE and Silvetty corrption
 
Hope to hear from you,
 
CAPS...

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FIRST: look at the dates. We have Silvetti telling Caps email dated Nov 24, 2008 asking about him searching for OIL, right???

BUT I do not post that information unil Feb 17, 2009

HOWEVER, THE EMAIL THAT YAPPERS REC'D FROM LALASMOM WAS DATED NOV. 22, 2008 - TWO DAYS AFTER LALASMOM/YAPPERZ HAD EMAILED JUG AND HE TOLD THEM SCHAEFER SAID THEY WERE MAPPING FOR OIL!

SO HOW COULD CAPS TELL JOHN SILVETTI IN AN EMAIL THAT IT WAS I WHO POSTED THAT JOHN WAS SEARCHING FOR OIL, WHEN IN FACT, IT WAS LALASMOM THAT EMAILED JUG AND JUG TOLD HER!!!!!


« Reply #776 on: February 17, 2009, 01:50:50 PM »

Sat Nov 22, 2008
Here is a snippet from an email I [THE LEAK]rec'd from Lalas.
"I asked Jug about Schaeffer...he is the oil guy. He was the one that provided the cash to get down there. Silvetti knew he would get more business from Schaeffer if he mapped....
while they were looking...the ocean floor. All the crew was asked to do was look for Natalee or anything suspicious as in small things like a cage or bones or whatever.
They do a large mapping process while they are looking for the details.
Schaeffer would use the large mapping of the general layout of the ocean floor
 to further look for oil...etc...while they looked for Natalee too.
Silvetti was the one that offered to look for Natalee and not Schaefer.
http://scaredmonkeys.net/index.php?topic=4515.msg676709

SECOND: Caps is telling John in the email that the man in the red shirt is FBI. When, in fact, that is not what people said. They said it was JOHN SILVETTI in the red shirt.
I think CAPS specifically mentions this to John Silvetti in the email to see if John lets him know if there were any FBI on board!

THIRD: John has no idea that Kyle Kingman, one of his crew memebers and person who set up the blog site is posting at SM under the name Ocean Exploration. I find that odd considering John's sister is posting along WITH Kyle at BFN. One would think his sister would have mentioned it. One would think that Kyle would have talked about it with John Silvetti considering Kyle goes to Johns house a lot! Just seems odd to me.

FOURTH: John immediately tells CAPS about a non-disclousre agreement to answer CAPS inquiry as to crew members being traitors along with him.

Maybe it's just me, but I find that an odd thing to respond to. I would think he would inquire as to what do you mean we are being called American Traitors by Kermit? Who is Kermit?
Instead, he tells CAPS MY EMPLOYEES CAN'T TALK! But little does John Silvetti know that Kyle Kingman, Tim Trahan and Louis Schaefer violate the so called non-disclosure aggreement and attempt to sell the ROV images.


FIFTH: John tells CAPS he learned of this LAST WEEK. So someone informed John Silvetti of my posts the previous week before this email from CAPS to John. This email was Nov. 24, 2008. I started posting the information, if memory servers me on Nov. 24, 2008. Previously, I was only posting hints about the cage, if I recall correctly and I'm kinda pretty damned sure of that. Heh Heh. So SOMEONE OTHER THEN CAPS was emailing John Silvetti keeping him informed.

SIXTH: John tells Caps no skull inside the cage, BUT he believes CAPS about what the cage was used for. NOW here we have another foible because do we believe what Kyle told us that it was JOHN that told CAPS the cage was a post office. OR do we believe JOHN's email to CAPS that it is CAPS that told John the cage is a post office?

Thanks again Kermit.

I wonder if Marc Broussard, project manager with Marine Surveys, was one of the crew who signed a non-disclosure statement.  John Silvetti was certainly dotting all his i's and crossing all his t's.  Inquiring minds want to know why.

In the name of justice for an American citizen ... FBI needs to talk to Marc Broussard.

Janet

[jen3560]

Janet,

I certainly cannot see a reason (and believe me, I've tried) for folks aboard the persistence to have been required to sign non-disclosure statements - if what (all) they were REALLY doing was searching for Natalee.

 

[jen3560]

Kerm honey.......

I don't know if you'll check in here first, or email.  But I have a lovely surprise for you, my dear!!!

[Tamikosmom]

Janet,

I certainly cannot see a reason (and believe me, I've tried) for folks aboard the persistence to have been required to sign non-disclosure statements - if what (all) they were REALLY doing was searching for Natalee.

 

I agree.  However ... being the devil's advocate ... John Silvetti will claim that the locating of Natalee Holloway's remains would be case sensitive in regards to the ongoing investigation.

My hubby's "know it all" attorney nephew ... he forgets I changed his diapers ...  informed me when this topic was brought up a while back that non-disclosure statements are not binding if info is released to an attorney or authority.

However ... in the case of the Persistence crew members ... the breaking of a confidentiality agreement may imply that future career opportunties may be at risk.  In other words ... justice for Natalee and ... closure for her family is not a worth the risk.

 

Janet

[Tamikosmom]

Kerm honey.......

I don't know if you'll check in here first, or email.  But I have a lovely surprise for you, my dear!!!

 

No "lovely" surprise for me??

 

Janet

[jen3560]

Janet,

I certainly cannot see a reason (and believe me, I've tried) for folks aboard the persistence to have been required to sign non-disclosure statements - if what (all) they were REALLY doing was searching for Natalee.

 

I agree.  However ... being the devil's advocate ... John Silvetti will claim that the locating of Natalee Holloway's remains would be case sensitive in regards to the ongoing investigation.

My hubby's "know it all" attorney nephew ... he forgets I changed his diapers ...  informed me when this topic was brought up a while back that non-disclosure statements are not binding if info is released to an attorney or authority.

However ... in the case of the Persistence crew members ... the breaking of a confidentiality agreement may imply that future career opportunties may be at risk.  In other words ... justice for Natalee and ... closure for her family is not a worth the risk.

 

Janet

Well that certainly makes sense..............BUT

Wouldn't that non-disclosure have to have been signed with ARUBA, and NOT John Silvetti?

Who is John Silvetti anyway, when it comes to the sanctity (I about choked on that one) of Aruba's ongoing investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway?

Nobody, that's who.

He would have no legal, authoritive, nor controlling standing in requiring such a non-disclosure for those reasons.

[Tamikosmom]

Janet,

I certainly cannot see a reason (and believe me, I've tried) for folks aboard the persistence to have been required to sign non-disclosure statements - if what (all) they were REALLY doing was searching for Natalee.

 

I agree.  However ... being the devil's advocate ... John Silvetti will claim that the locating of Natalee Holloway's remains would be case sensitive in regards to the ongoing investigation.

My hubby's "know it all" attorney nephew ... he forgets I changed his diapers ...  informed me when this topic was brought up a while back that non-disclosure statements are not binding if info is released to an attorney or authority.

However ... in the case of the Persistence crew members ... the breaking of a confidentiality agreement may imply that future career opportunties may be at risk.  In other words ... justice for Natalee and ... closure for her family is not a worth the risk.

 

Janet

Well that certainly makes sense..............BUT

Wouldn't that non-disclosure have to have been signed with ARUBA, and NOT John Silvetti?

Who is John Silvetti anyway, when it comes to the sanctity (I about choked on that one) of Aruba's ongoing investigation into the disappearance of Natalee Holloway?

Nobody, that's who.

He would have no legal, authoritive, nor controlling standing in requiring such a non-disclosure for those reasons.

Me too!!

 

[jen3560]

Kerm honey.......

I don't know if you'll check in here first, or email.  But I have a lovely surprise for you, my dear!!!

 

No "lovely" surprise for me??

 

Janet

Lemme just put it this way.

I just received some information that ties the recent mis/disinformationists CONCLUSIVELY to Aruba.  Maybe not knowlingly by all of them (and that's a huge MAYBE) but the ties have now been PROVEN.

Once the details have been fleshed out, I will share that here at SM.

[Tamikosmom]

Kerm honey.......

I don't know if you'll check in here first, or email.  But I have a lovely surprise for you, my dear!!!

 

No "lovely" surprise for me??

 

Janet

Lemme just put it this way.

I just received some information that ties the recent mis/disinformationists CONCLUSIVELY to Aruba.  Maybe not knowlingly by all of them (and that's a huge MAYBE) but the ties have now been PROVEN.

Once the details have been fleshed out, I will share that here at SM.