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« Reply #20 on: November 14, 2006, 10:36:18 AM »

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Well, i bought the NE 11/20 edition. It does have an article titled *cover-up in Aruba*. But no Aru-Bay pics...as far as i can see.


Tell us what it says. TIA

I'll try and get to the store and scan it and I will sent it to Klaas.


Thanks.  Wink
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« Reply #21 on: November 14, 2006, 10:36:31 AM »

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Thanks, igsigs.  Does the article have anything of substance??

A little...Art Wood appears to be the source for the article.

-talks about Joran's 5/31 statement. Paulus sat in on it. Paulus changed it. Now appears to be missing.

-Dutch Team arrived on Aruba 10/12. Stayed 7 days. Did not interview any suspects. Returned home with files.

-Wood, "it looks like they're just going to rubber stamp what the Aruban police screwed up."

-Beth and Dave plan to ask Condi Rice to put pressure on the Dutch government to do more.

-Wood, "All we are asking is for the U.S. State Department to make the Dutch police do the right thing. That means redoing the investigation - and investigating the investigators responsible for the cover-up in Aruba."
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« Reply #22 on: November 14, 2006, 10:38:48 AM »

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Good Morning Monkeys!  Good to see you all and good to see alot of discussion last night.

Lots of very interesting stuff.  I am working and lurking as usual.  

I think it is very interesting to see that Deepak's work visa not renewed.  Bet that pissed him off.  Ohhhhh sooo sorry!  NOT!


Hi Kimmy.  I wonder if Deepak cares if he works or not.  I don't think the people in charge of cover ups would make it easy for Deepak to talk now after all this time. So what gives?  You are right...interesting.


Oh Lala's - I think he does care - if nothing but for the fact that someone is TELLING him he CAN'T....ya know?  Deepak is a wanna be.  I think this will be another diss by the Dutch.  I just wonder how many slaps it takes until he has had enough.  He is also money hungry - remember how he was wanting to "sell" his story?  Maybe with the losing of a job, the reward money will look more inticing....
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« Reply #23 on: November 14, 2006, 10:43:47 AM »

ETA: I would not recommend anybody go out and buy this issue of NE. I summarized pretty much the whole thing.

And there is a very smug pic of Paulus. Nobody wants to see that. Cool
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« Reply #24 on: November 14, 2006, 10:44:37 AM »

I hope you are right Kimmy.  I really do...but I don't see Deepak talking and still living in Aruba.  Talk about disappearing someone...he would be the first to go if he squeals like a pig.  He can't say anything, because Satish would then be in trouble and if they all had sex with her...then at the least he is guilty of kidnapping and rape.
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« Reply #25 on: November 14, 2006, 10:48:40 AM »

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Returned home with files

OK - I really need glasses.  When I first read this - I thought it said they returned home with FLIES Shocked  Laughing
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« Reply #26 on: November 14, 2006, 10:51:11 AM »

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Thanks, igsigs.  Does the article have anything of substance??

A little...Art Wood appears to be the source for the article.

-talks about Joran's 5/31 statement. Paulus sat in on it. Paulus changed it. Now appears to be missing.

-Dutch Team arrived on Aruba 10/12. Stayed 7 days. Did not interview any suspects. Returned home with files.

-Wood, "it looks like they're just going to rubber stamp what the Aruban police screwed up."

-Beth and Dave plan to ask Condi Rice to put pressure on the Dutch government to do more.

-Wood, "All we are asking is for the U.S. State Department to make the Dutch police do the right thing. That means redoing the investigation - and investigating the investigators responsible for the cover-up in Aruba."


Thanks, again, igsigs.  

The missing 5/31 statement...wonder if the Dutch noticed?

If the Dutch didn't interview anyone, it just seems like a vacation of sorts....hope the files don't disappear, next, or turn to chocolate.

Has Condi done anything to date?  I hope Art is wrong about the rubber stamp, and the investigation will be set right....
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« Reply #27 on: November 14, 2006, 10:52:48 AM »

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I hope you are right Kimmy.  I really do...but I don't see Deepak talking and still living in Aruba.  Talk about disappearing someone...he would be the first to go if he squeals like a pig.  He can't say anything, because Satish would then be in trouble and if they all had sex with her...then at the least he is guilty of kidnapping and rape.


I agree Lala's - I think it all depends on what kind of evidence Deepak and Satish have.  I am of the opinion that they do hold some sort of "key" evidence - if nothing else but to keep themselves alive.   Unless it is some sort of video that shows both of them with Natalee, there is no way to ""Prove" they had sex with her.  Of course, there again, if the Kalpoes don't have some sort of physical/substantial evidence, it would be their word against the VDS's - and we all know how well that would go over.  I swear I think they have something...just a feeling.
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« Reply #28 on: November 14, 2006, 10:54:45 AM »

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Returned home with files

OK - I really need glasses.  When I first read this - I thought it said they returned home with FLIES Shocked  Laughing


Oh I am sure a few flies went along also...flies on the wall to make sure they didn't see anything important.  Like there is anything left to see at this point.  Just chocolate and cleaning fluid with a few donkey bones thrown in for good measure.   Rolling Eyes
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« Reply #29 on: November 14, 2006, 11:10:42 AM »

Did everyone go to sleep?  I will start talking Shango if you guys don't get back in here.  Laughing
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« Reply #30 on: November 14, 2006, 11:18:50 AM »

Does anyone know when Guido supposedly took flight from Aruba to places unknown or known?  What was the story about him being questioned by the casino owner?  Would that be Posner?
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« Reply #31 on: November 14, 2006, 11:20:23 AM »

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Returned home with files

OK - I really need glasses.  When I first read this - I thought it said they returned home with FLIES Shocked  Laughing


Flies?   A nice parasite would be so much more fitting.
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« Reply #32 on: November 14, 2006, 11:21:09 AM »

Interesting...

blah writes:

On June 10th it was publicly released to the world-wide media that one of the suspects—either Joran Van Der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe, or Satish Kalpoe-- had confessed that Natalee was dead, had been buried at a given location

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=539

I feel that the confession was supposed to be from one of the security guards not one of the 3 REAL suspects. I believe that was part of the framejob of the guards. I think certian people didnt find out that the frame-up was blown wide open and were just going ahead as planned. Someone in the ALE or wherever heard them announcing the confession and had to get everyone to back track in a hurry because the frame job had to be called off. I believe this all fits into the timeline perfectly also.

HHhhhmmm.

ALE sure did ignore the Natalee-less HI security video.  In fact, ALE knew for at least a few days in advance that the HI tape could not corroborate the HI drop off lie.  Yet they ram-rodded the investigation of the guards and their arrest anyway.

The frame job on Mickey and Abe fell apart for a reason (other than the fact that it is false).

Do you think the HT Family's viewing of the HI security video -- in advance of the polis -- was the key which derailed the frame up?

It looks like different factions within ALE and Prosecutors Office were aware of different facts at different times, and when it came to act on those facts, they were acting out of synch.  

SO, based on above, only some ALE players were aware that HT Family viewed the tape, and were aware of what it meant.  But other ALE players involved were unaware or late, and proceeded with the frameup?  And this helps explain Paulus trying to sell headmaster ISA on "break in tape" -- he was desperately trying to keep the frameup alive and going.

And of course our favorite DJ, Steve Croes shows up in mid-June, to corroborate a lie -- after the need for the lie had expired, and the frame job on Mickey and Abe had crashed and burned.  Croes must have been so far out of the loop, they forgot to tell him?  Or, deepak couldn't get to him in time -- ?

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« Reply #33 on: November 14, 2006, 11:29:04 AM »

Deepak 6/9 statement:
with the front side of my car parked towards the wall of "Carlos & Charlies". We got out and walked towards "Carlos & Charlies". At that time it was approximately 00:30 hours. We walked straight to the bar. Joran had bought us something to drink. He hadn't asked us what we wanted, because he already knew what we liked to drink. He had bought three "YARDS" with whisky coke.

Satish 5/31 witness statement:
Around 11.45 we stepped into the bldg.. I saw that there was 60 or 70 persons in the bldg.. All three of us walked to the bar and my brother Deepak bought a whisky coke for me and also a drink for himself. Joran also bought an alcoholic drink for himself.

Who bought the "yards" ? Joran or Deepak?
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« Reply #34 on: November 14, 2006, 11:32:00 AM »

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Interesting...


HHhhhmmm.

ALE sure did ignore the Natalee-less HI security video.  In fact, ALE knew for at least a few days in advance that the HI tape could not corroborate the HI drop off lie.  Yet they ram-rodded the investigation of the guards and their arrest anyway.

The frame job on Mickey and Abe fell apart for a reason (other than the fact that it is false).

Do you think the HT Family's viewing of the HI security video -- in advance of the polis -- was the key which derailed the frame up?
It looks like different factions within ALE and Prosecutors Office were aware of different facts at different times, and when it came to act on those facts, they were acting out of synch.  

SO, based on above, only some ALE players were aware that HT Family viewed the tape, and were aware of what it meant.  But other ALE players involved were unaware or late, and proceeded with the frameup?  And this helps explain Paulus trying to sell headmaster ISA on "break in tape" -- he was desperately trying to keep the frameup alive and going.

And of course our favorite DJ, Steve Croes shows up in mid-June, to corroborate a lie -- after the need for the lie had expired, and the frame job on Mickey and Abe had crashed and burned.  Croes must have been so far out of the loop, they forgot to tell him?  Or, deepak couldn't get to him in time -- ?

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YES, exactly !!
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« Reply #35 on: November 14, 2006, 11:32:23 AM »

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Interesting...

blah writes:

On June 10th it was publicly released to the world-wide media that one of the suspects—either Joran Van Der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe, or Satish Kalpoe-- had confessed that Natalee was dead, had been buried at a given location

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=539

I feel that the confession was supposed to be from one of the security guards not one of the 3 REAL suspects. I believe that was part of the framejob of the guards. I think certian people didnt find out that the frame-up was blown wide open and were just going ahead as planned. Someone in the ALE or wherever heard them announcing the confession and had to get everyone to back track in a hurry because the frame job had to be called off. I believe this all fits into the timeline perfectly also.

HHhhhmmm.

ALE sure did ignore the Natalee-less HI security video.  In fact, ALE knew for at least a few days in advance that the HI tape could not corroborate the HI drop off lie.  Yet they ram-rodded the investigation of the guards and their arrest anyway.

The frame job on Mickey and Abe fell apart for a reason (other than the fact that it is false).

Do you think the HT Family's viewing of the HI security video -- in advance of the polis -- was the key which derailed the frame up?

It looks like different factions within ALE and Prosecutors Office were aware of different facts at different times, and when it came to act on those facts, they were acting out of synch.  

SO, based on above, only some ALE players were aware that HT Family viewed the tape, and were aware of what it meant.  But other ALE players involved were unaware or late, and proceeded with the frameup?  And this helps explain Paulus trying to sell headmaster ISA on "break in tape" -- he was desperately trying to keep the frameup alive and going.

And of course our favorite DJ, Steve Croes shows up in mid-June, to corroborate a lie -- after the need for the lie had expired, and the frame job on Mickey and Abe had crashed and burned.  Croes must have been so far out of the loop, they forgot to tell him?  Or, deepak couldn't get to him in time -- ?

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I agree completely.  I will refrain from showing anyone how this ties in with Shango/Simian at this time... Wink  You monkeys know I can.
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« Reply #36 on: November 14, 2006, 11:38:07 AM »

Lala's Mom says--

-- I agree completely. I will refrain from showing anyone how this ties in with Shango/Simian at this time

Please don't refrain...bring your thoughts on above.

Thanks.

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« Reply #37 on: November 14, 2006, 11:45:46 AM »

Lala's, I would love to hear what you have to say.

Blah, your post is very interesting!

Morning monkeys!
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« Reply #38 on: November 14, 2006, 11:47:34 AM »

53 users online.

Inquiring minds want to know.  Wink
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« Reply #39 on: November 14, 2006, 11:51:49 AM »

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Interesting...

blah writes:

On June 10th it was publicly released to the world-wide media that one of the suspects—either Joran Van Der Sloot, Deepak Kalpoe, or Satish Kalpoe-- had confessed that Natalee was dead, had been buried at a given location

http://www.scaredmonkeys.net/viewtopic.php?t=539

I feel that the confession was supposed to be from one of the security guards not one of the 3 REAL suspects. I believe that was part of the framejob of the guards. I think certian people didnt find out that the frame-up was blown wide open and were just going ahead as planned. Someone in the ALE or wherever heard them announcing the confession and had to get everyone to back track in a hurry because the frame job had to be called off. I believe this all fits into the timeline perfectly also.

HHhhhmmm.

ALE sure did ignore the Natalee-less HI security video.  In fact, ALE knew for at least a few days in advance that the HI tape could not corroborate the HI drop off lie.  Yet they ram-rodded the investigation of the guards and their arrest anyway.

The frame job on Mickey and Abe fell apart for a reason (other than the fact that it is false).

Do you think the HT Family's viewing of the HI security video -- in advance of the polis -- was the key which derailed the frame up?

It looks like different factions within ALE and Prosecutors Office were aware of different facts at different times, and when it came to act on those facts, they were acting out of synch.  

SO, based on above, only some ALE players were aware that HT Family viewed the tape, and were aware of what it meant.  But other ALE players involved were unaware or late, and proceeded with the frameup?  And this helps explain Paulus trying to sell headmaster ISA on "break in tape" -- he was desperately trying to keep the frameup alive and going.

And of course our favorite DJ, Steve Croes shows up in mid-June, to corroborate a lie -- after the need for the lie had expired, and the frame job on Mickey and Abe had crashed and burned.  Croes must have been so far out of the loop, they forgot to tell him?  Or, deepak couldn't get to him in time -- ?

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Steve Croes is singing.
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Croes was out of the loop, by this time...but PVDS was working his magic also.  He almost got caught too...until a good friend stepped in to help him.
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