Clover road baptist church

[Tracygirl]

DD can you please post the information you copied and saved from this churches site? I think it may prove valuable as we try to figure this out

[lonemonkey]

That was great thinking DD to copy all of the stuff of the website!!!!
You are right...
Everything goes POOF!

I jotted down a couple of names....
And noted one of the guest book entries where it was stated that they like Lane's work....

[doubledecker]

DD can you please post the information you copied and saved from this churches site? I think it may prove valuable as we try to figure this out

just got online, yes, I will post it all on here, ... sometime today LOL.  I still have a few things to do around my house before I really get on the board. LOL

[Sister]

DD can you please post the information you copied and saved from this churches site? I think it may prove valuable as we try to figure this out

I agree.

[doubledecker]

guestbook posts from the clover road baptist road site.

Church Guestbook Posts - Pastor Lane Lawless
http://www.clover-road-baptist-church.c ... t_book.htm

Date:
2/27/2002
Time:
8:59:04 PM
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THIS IS REALLY NEAT!!! COPIED THE PICTURE, NOW I HAVE A PICTURE OF THAT BEAUTIFUL MAN!! THANKS SO MUCH FOR SENDING THIS CONNIE. NOW I NEED A PICTURE OF YOU!! LOVE TO ALL, YOUR GETTING OLD COUSIN, MARY



Date:
8/1/2002
Time:
4:37:51 PM
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I am looking for an email address for Pastor Lawless. I am his cousin.

Thanks, Duane Dicus

My address is dicus@physics.utexas.edu



Date:
7/4/2005
Time:
5:37:36 AM
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What a warm and welcoming site! Isn't it great that we can share Christ with the world, 24/7? Please visit us at http://christiandatemate.com Thank you!



Date:
6/12/2006
Time:
6:48:32 AM
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Hi, my name is Rose and im jr. college right now at los positas and im looking for one or two female christians to be rommies with. If anyone is interested please email me at rvierra@strongtie.com. Thank you!!!



Date:
6/27/2006
Time:
11:41:08 AM
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Glad to know of another of the same faith. Keep up the good work and God bless you. Elder D. Paul Tuck Sr. - Richmond Hill (near Toronto-Canada) bpulpit@rogers.com



Date:
1/23/2007
Time:
7:00:29 PM
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The Trial of Pastor Jones Judge: Mr. Jones you have been charged with multiple counts of extortion. Your crime spree covers 20 years and thousands of victims. You have defrauded people out of their money with fear and manipulation, telling them they had to tithe 10% of their income to your church and that God would bless them if they did. You also told them that if they didn't tithe God would curse them. How do you plead? Mr. Jones: I plead not guilty your Honor, I have done nothing wrong. I have only preached what the Bible says. In the Bible Abraham tithed to Melchizedek and God blessed him for his faithful giving. The Bible even says he was rich in silver and gold. Judge: Is it not true, Mr. Jones, that in Genesis chapter 13 verse 2 the Bible says Abraham was rich with livestock, silver and gold? Mr. Jones: Yes, you are exactly right, that's what I just told you. Judge: Ok, we read about Abraham being a rich man in chapter 13 but it is not until Genesis chapter 14 that we read about Abraham's tithe to Melchizedek. So Abraham was already a rich man before he tithed to Melchizedek, wasn't he? Mr. Jones: Yes, I suppose you are right. Judge: So his riches were not the result of his tithe to Melchizedek? Mr. Jones: No. Judge: Mr. Jones, you also say God blessed him for his faithful giving. How many times is it recorded that Abraham gave tithes to Melchizedek? Mr. Jones: Well, just once. Judge: So the Bible never said that he gave week after week? Mr. Jones: No it does not. Judge: Where did Abraham get the things that he gave to Melchizedek? Mr. Jones: Well the Bible says it was from the plunders of war? Judge: So you are telling me that he gave from the plunders of war? Mr. Jones: Yes that's what the Bible says. Judge: So he basically took things that were not really his in the first place and gave them as the tithe? Mr. Jones: That is what the scripture seems to indicate. Judge: Is it recorded that he ever took anything from his own possessions and tithed them to Melchizedek or anyone else? Mr. Jones: I guess not Judge: You guess not, you are a Pastor and you are only guessing, is it or is it not written that he ever gave any of his own possessions as a tithe to anyone? Mr. Jones: No it is not written anywhere that I have seen. Judge: Is it recorded as to what exactly Abraham did give Melchizedek? Mr. Jones: I believe it says plunder? Judge: So plunder could be any number of things? Mr. Jones: Yes, I suppose Judge: It could have been food, cattle, sheep, the people's possessions or any number of things. It does not say it was all money correct? Mr. Jones: Yes you are correct, it does not say just money Judge: As a matter of fact money is never mentioned in that account at all is that correct Mr. Jones? Mr. Jones: Yes your Honor, money is never mentioned just goods and food and people. Judge: So there is no way you can say with any certainty that Abraham in fact gave Melchizedek any money at all? Mr. Jones: That is right. Judge: I only have one last question for you Mr. Jones, did God command Abraham to give this plunder tithe to Melchizedek? Mr. Jones: No, it appears that he did this voluntarily. Judge: So are you trying to tell me that because of this voluntary, one time gift by Abraham, that may not have even consisted of money, all Christians everywhere are obligated to bring 10% of their weekly paycheck to a local church? Judge: Considering all the evidence I would say you are beyond any shadow of a doubt guilty of deliberately trying to make the scriptures says things they have not said for financial gain. Mr. Jones: Ok your Honor, I can see how foolish I was to try and use the story of Melchizedeck to try and get the people to tithe money. But there are many other verses that will support my belief on tithing. Jacob said he would give God 10% of everything. I think we should follow his example. Judge: Let's see what Jacob said. Please read the verse you are talking about for me Mr. Jones. Mr. Jones: In Genesis chapter 28 starting at verse 20 it says. Jacob vowed a vow, saying, "If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and clothing to put on, so that I come again to my father's house in peace, and Yahweh will be my God, then this stone, which I have set up for a pillar, will be God's house. Of all that you will give me I will surely give the tenth to you." Judge: You said we should follow Jacobs's example, is that right Mr. Jones? Mr. Jones: Yes that is right, he vowed to give a tenth and we should too. Judge: Let me point out one thing for you Mr. Jones, Jacob said he would Give God a tenth, ONLY if He blessed him first. So as you said previously, we should follow Jacob's example and tell God that we will only give him a tenth if he blesses us first. Is that right? Mr. Jones: That is not what I meant. Judge: What did you mean then? Mr. Jones: That we should give God a tenth also. Judge: There you go again, trying to make the scripture say what you want it to say for your benefit. I would also like you to tell me the scriptures that say that Jacob kept his vow with God. I would also like to know where he gave the tenth to because there was no temple or levites to give it to at that time. Mr. Jones: I can not think of any scriptures that say where or if he ever tithed after his vow. Judge: It seems fairly obvious to me that Jacob made a voluntary and conditional vow to God. This in no way can be used as a reason to demand others to bring their income to you or any other place. Mr. Jones: I do have a few more scriptures that I believe will show that we are supposed to tithe. Judge: You have not said anything yet to convince me one little bit that people are obligated to tithe money to the local churches and that you were justified in what you were doing. You have taken scripture and misapplied it to your beliefs and for your gain. But in order to be fair to you I will allow you to present more evidence. Mr. Jones: In the book of Malachi chapter 3 starting at verse 8 it says, will a man rob God? yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, In what have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. Bring ye all the tithes into the store-house, that there may be food in my house, and prove me now with this, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. So you see your Honor, we are commanded to bring the tithes into the storehouse or God will curse us. Judge: Answer me this Mr. Jones, were you aware that God never required anyone to tithe money? Mr. Jones: No I didn't know that. Judge: The tithe spoken of here was always edible products never money. Mr. Jones: well your Honor that is because they didn't have money at the time so God had them tithe food instead. Judge: Not true, money is first mentioned in Genesis and Malachi was written hundreds of years later. God had them bring food in so that the levites, the fatherless and widows may eat and be satisfied. The tithe was used mainly to take care of people. Also notice it says in the verse you quoted, that there may be food in my house. The food was the tithe. How do you completely overlook the word food in those verses? Mr. Jones: I don't know Judge: I also want you to know that these verses speak to people under the Old Testament law. As you may or may not know Jesus fulfilled the law, it is no longer binding. Tithing was part of that law that has been abolished. Judge: Once again you have tried to completely take a scripture out of context and apply it to others for your benefit. Can you give me a single scripture where God changed the tithe from food to money? Mr. Jones: I do not know of any. Judge: So if God never changed it from food to money who did? Mr. Jones: Man must have. Judge: So far all you have done Mr. Jones is take Old Testament scriptures out of context and try to apply it to believers under the New Covenant. Is this all the proof you have? Mr. Jones: I do have a New Testament scripture that will show that Jesus told us to tithe. Judge: Ok let me hear it. Mr. Jones: Jesus said in Matthew 23:23 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint, dill, and cumin, and have left undone the weightier matters of the law: justice, mercy, and faith. But you ought to have done these, and not to have left the other undone. See Jesus said we should be tithing. Judge: Let me ask you a question, who was Jesus talking to? Mr. Jones: The scripture says the scribes and Pharisees. Judge: Are you a scribe or Pharisee? Mr. Jones: Of course not. Judge: Jesus also said in that passage, you have left undone the weightier matters of the law. Are we under the law Mr. Jones? Mr. Jones: No. Judge: Why not? Mr. Jones: Because Jesus fulfilled it. Judge: When did Jesus fulfill the law? Mr. Jones: When He was crucified. Judge: So the law was still in effect until Jesus death? Mr. Jones: That is correct. Judge: I think you know where I am going with this don't you? Mr. Jones: Yes your Honor. Since Jesus had not yet been crucified and the law was still binding the Pharisees were required to tithe because it was part of the law. Once the law ended, tithing ended also. Judge: I want you to take a look at that verse again. Also tell me, what were they tithing? Mr. Jones: The scripture says it was mint, dill and cumin. Judge: Is money mentioned? Mr. Jones: No it was not. Judge: Once again it was edible products that they were tithing, not money. Do you have anything else you would like to say? Mr. Jones: If people only tithed edible products like the scripture says, then how would the church survive? We have our mortgage payment, utility bills, my salary and a host of other things that we have to pay each week. We depend on the money from the people. Judge: The need does not justify the means. In other words, just because you have all these debts does not give you the right to twist and manipulate scripture and cause people to give under fear of being cursed by God to meet your needs. In closing, let me recap a few things for you Mr. Jones. The tithe was never money; the tithe was an Old Testament law, which is no longer binding. When it was binding the tithe was used to take care of people, not buildings. We are under a new covenant now. Paul instructs the Corinthian believers how they are to give. He says in second Corinthians chapter 9 verse 7, Let each man give according as he has determined in his heart; not grudgingly, or under compulsion; for God loves a cheerful giver. So each believer is supposed to give as he or she has determined in his or her heart. If you are trying to make people give under the threat of being cursed or any other reason you are wrong. Someone can not give cheerfully if they are being forced to give. If your church can not survive on freewill offerings maybe God is not part of your church at all. Mr. Jones: I never realized all these things, I have always been taught that we had to tithe money to the local church and that is what I have always taught. I can see now that I was completely wrong. I did not study the scripture for myself, I only took mans word for it. Yes I am guilty. I will not teach this error anymore. Judge: Mr. Jones, I can see that you have done this in ignorance and are repentant, this court will not hold you accountable. It is your responsibility to know the truth. I would advise you and everyone else in this courtroom to really start studying the Bible and seeking God on the subject of tithing and your eyes will be open. Do not just take mans word any longer. Start seeking God as to how and where He would have you give. Court adjourned.

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Church Guestbook Posts - Pastor Lane Lawless
Date:
1/23/2007
Time:
7:00:50 PM
Remote User:
Comments
The Trial of Pastor Jones Judge: Mr. Jones you have been charged with multiple counts of extortion. Your crime spree covers 20 years and thousands of victims. You have defrauded people out of their money with fear and manipulation, telling them they had to tithe 10% of their income to your church and that God would bless them if they did. You also told them that if they didn't tithe God would curse them. How do you plead? Mr. Jones: I plead not guilty your Honor, I have done nothing wrong. I have only preached what the Bible says. In the Bible Abraham tithed to Melchizedek and God blessed him for his faithful giving. The Bible even says he was rich in silver and gold. Judge: Is it not true, Mr. Jones, that in Genesis chapter 13 verse 2 the Bible says Abraham was rich with livestock, silver and gold? Mr. Jones: Yes, you are exactly right, that's what I just told you. Judge: Ok, we read about Abraham being a rich man in chapter 13 but it is not until Genesis chapter 14 that we read about Abraham's tithe to Melchizedek. So Abraham was already a rich man before he tithed to Melchizedek, wasn't he? Mr. Jones: Yes, I suppose you are right. Judge: So his riches were not the result of his tithe to Melchizedek? Mr. Jones: No. Judge: Mr. Jones, you also say God blessed him for his faithful giving. How many times is it recorded that Abraham gave tithes to Melchizedek? Mr. Jones: Well, just once. Judge: So the Bible never said that he gave week after week? Mr. Jones: No it does not. Judge: Where did Abraham get the things that he gave to Melchizedek? Mr. Jones: Well the Bible says it was from the plunders of war? Judge: So you are telling me that he gave from the plunders of war? Mr. Jones: Yes that's what the Bible says. Judge: So he basically took things that were not really his in the first place and gave them as the tithe? Mr. Jones: That is what the scripture seems to indicate. Judge: Is it recorded that he ever took anything from his own possessions and tithed them to Melchizedek or anyone else? Mr. Jones: I guess not Judge: You guess not, you are a Pastor and you are only guessing, is it or is it not written that he ever gave any of his own possessions as a tithe to anyone? Mr. Jones: No it is not written anywhere that I have seen. Judge: Is it recorded as to what exactly Abraham did give Melchizedek? Mr. Jones: I believe it says plunder? Judge: So plunder could be any number of things? Mr. Jones: Yes, I suppose Judge: It could have been food, cattle, sheep, the people's possessions or any number of things. It does not say it was all money correct? Mr. Jones: Yes you are correct, it does not say just money Judge: As a matter of fact money is never mentioned in that account at all is that correct Mr. Jones? Mr. Jones: Yes your Honor, money is never mentioned just goods and food and people. Judge: So there is no way you can say with any certainty that Abraham in fact gave Melchizedek any money at all? Mr. Jones: That is right. Judge: I only have one last question for you Mr. Jones, did God command Abraham to give this plunder tithe to Melchizedek? Mr. Jones: No, it appears that he did this voluntarily. Judge: So are you trying to tell me that because of this voluntary, one time gift by Abraham, that may not have even consisted of money, all Christians everywhere are obligated to bring 10% of their weekly paycheck to a local church? Judge: Considering all the evidence I would say you are beyond any shadow of a doubt guilty of deliberately trying to make the scriptures says things they have not said for financial gain. Mr. Jones: Ok your Honor, I can see how foolish I was to try and use the story of Melchizedeck to try and get the people to tithe money. But there are many other verses that will support my belief on tithing. Jacob said he would give God 10% of everything. I think we should follow his example. Judge: Let's see what Jacob said. Please read the verse you are talking about for me Mr. Jones. Mr. Jones: In Genesis chapter 28 starting at verse 20 it says. Jacob vowed a vow, saying, "If God will be with me, and will keep me in this way that I go, and will give me bread to eat, and clothing to put on, so that I come again to my father's house in peace, and Yahweh will be my God, then this stone, which I have set up for a pillar, will be God's house. Of all that you will give me I will surely give the tenth to you." Judge: You said we should follow Jacobs's example, is that right Mr. Jones? Mr. Jones: Yes that is right, he vowed to give a tenth and we should too. Judge: Let me point out one thing for you Mr. Jones, Jacob said he would Give God a tenth, ONLY if He blessed him first. So as you said previously, we should follow Jacob's example and tell God that we will only give him a tenth if he blesses us first. Is that right? Mr. Jones: That is not what I meant. Judge: What did you mean then? Mr. Jones: That we should give God a tenth also. Judge: There you go again, trying to make the scripture say what you want it to say for your benefit. I would also like you to tell me the scriptures that say that Jacob kept his vow with God. I would also like to know where he gave the tenth to because there was no temple or levites to give it to at that time. Mr. Jones: I can not think of any scriptures that say where or if he ever tithed after his vow. Judge: It seems fairly obvious to me that Jacob made a voluntary and conditional vow to God. This in no way can be used as a reason to demand others to bring their income to you or any other place. Mr. Jones: I do have a few more scriptures that I believe will show that we are supposed to tithe. Judge: You have not said anything yet to convince me one little bit that people are obligated to tithe money to the local churches and that you were justified in what you were doing. You have taken scripture and misapplied it to your beliefs and for your gain. But in order to be fair to you I will allow you to present more evidence. Mr. Jones: In the book of Malachi chapter 3 starting at verse 8 it says, will a man rob God? yet ye have robbed me. But ye say, In what have we robbed thee? In tithes and offerings. Ye are cursed with a curse: for ye have robbed me, even this whole nation. Bring ye all the tithes into the store-house, that there may be food in my house, and prove me now with this, saith the LORD of hosts, if I will not open you the windows of heaven, and pour you out a blessing, that there shall not be room enough to receive it. So you see your Honor, we are commanded to bring the tithes into the storehouse or God will curse us. Judge: Answer me this Mr. Jones, were you aware that God never required anyone to tithe money? Mr. Jones: No I didn't know that. Judge: The tithe spoken of here was always edible products never money. Mr. Jones: well your Honor that is because they didn't have money at the time so God had them tithe food instead. Judge: Not true, money is first mentioned in Genesis and Malachi was written hundreds of years later. God had them bring food in so that the levites, the fatherless and widows may eat and be satisfied. The tithe was used mainly to take care of people. Also notice it says in the verse you quoted, that there may be food in my house. The food was the tithe. How do you completely overlook the word food in those verses? Mr. Jones: I don't know Judge: I also want you to know that these verses speak to people under the Old Testament law. As you may or may not know Jesus fulfilled the law, it is no longer binding. Tithing was part of that law that has been abolished. Judge: Once again you have tried to completely take a scripture out of context and apply it to others for your benefit. Can you give me a single scripture where God changed the tithe from food to money? Mr. Jones: I do not know of any. Judge: So if God never changed it from food to money who did? Mr. Jones: Man must have. Judge: So far all you have done Mr. Jones is take Old Testament scriptures out of context and try to apply it to believers under the New Covenant. Is this all the proof you have? Mr. Jones: I do have a New Testament scripture that will show that Jesus told us to tithe. Judge: Ok let me hear it. Mr. Jones: Jesus said in Matthew 23:23 "Woe to you, scribes and Pharisees, hypocrites! For you tithe mint, dill, and cumin, and have left undone the weightier matters of the law: justice, mercy, and faith. But you ought to have done these, and not to have left the other undone. See Jesus said we should be tithing. Judge: Let me ask you a question, who was Jesus talking to? Mr. Jones: The scripture says the scribes and Pharisees. Judge: Are you a scribe or Pharisee? Mr. Jones: Of course not. Judge: Jesus also said in that passage, you have left undone the weightier matters of the law. Are we under the law Mr. Jones? Mr. Jones: No. Judge: Why not? Mr. Jones: Because Jesus fulfilled it. Judge: When did Jesus fulfill the law? Mr. Jones: When He was crucified. Judge: So the law was still in effect until Jesus death? Mr. Jones: That is correct. Judge: I think you know where I am going with this don't you? Mr. Jones: Yes your Honor. Since Jesus had not yet been crucified and the law was still binding the Pharisees were required to tithe because it was part of the law. Once the law ended, tithing ended also. Judge: I want you to take a look at that verse again. Also tell me, what were they tithing? Mr. Jones: The scripture says it was mint, dill and cumin. Judge: Is money mentioned? Mr. Jones: No it was not. Judge: Once again it was edible products that they were tithing, not money. Do you have anything else you would like to say? Mr. Jones: If people only tithed edible products like the scripture says, then how would the church survive? We have our mortgage payment, utility bills, my salary and a host of other things that we have to pay each week. We depend on the money from the people. Judge: The need does not justify the means. In other words, just because you have all these debts does not give you the right to twist and manipulate scripture and cause people to give under fear of being cursed by God to meet your needs. In closing, let me recap a few things for you Mr. Jones. The tithe was never money; the tithe was an Old Testament law, which is no longer binding. When it was binding the tithe was used to take care of people, not buildings. We are under a new covenant now. Paul instructs the Corinthian believers how they are to give. He says in second Corinthians chapter 9 verse 7, Let each man give according as he has determined in his heart; not grudgingly, or under compulsion; for God loves a cheerful giver. So each believer is supposed to give as he or she has determined in his or her heart. If you are trying to make people give under the threat of being cursed or any other reason you are wrong. Someone can not give cheerfully if they are being forced to give. If your church can not survive on freewill offerings maybe God is not part of your church at all. Mr. Jones: I never realized all these things, I have always been taught that we had to tithe money to the local church and that is what I have always taught. I can see now that I was completely wrong. I did not study the scripture for myself, I only took mans word for it. Yes I am guilty. I will not teach this error anymore. Judge: Mr. Jones, I can see that you have done this in ignorance and are repentant, this court will not hold you accountable. It is your responsibility to know the truth. I would advise you and everyone else in this courtroom to really start studying the Bible and seeking God on the subject of tithing and your eyes will be open. Do not just take mans word any longer. Start seeking God as to how and where He would have you give. Court adjourned.

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Church Guestbook Posts - Pastor Lane Lawless
Date:
4/4/2008
Time:
9:01:46 AM
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Dear Bro. Lawless, I just wanted to stop by and thank you for the support you continue to be to the Friendship Missionary Baptist Church (FMBC) and Bro. Joe Padilla. As a member of FMBC I am always encouraged to know we have such wonderful friends in Christ supporting the work. Bro. Greg Thomas



Date:
4/7/2009
Time:
10:32:21 AM
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Rest in Peace little Sandra Cantu



Date:
4/7/2009
Time:
11:11:36 AM
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Proverbs 3 5-6 I have read a book called The Shack by WM. Paul Young. There is no excuse for the poor child Sandra It breaks my heart. If you read this book it may help with understanding. I am so sorry to the family and my families prayers are with you



Date:
4/7/2009
Time:
11:13:02 AM
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Why is Pastor Lane Lawless living in a trailer park? is he still married? why are the police searching the church... don't any of you member know how to make a decent webpage?



Date:
4/7/2009
Time:
11:28:53 AM
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I am so sick of seeing these predators showing up on Megan’s Law sites in my community, near schools and parks. Anyone who abuses a child is a monster and should be put down like a rabid dog. There is no rehabilitation and we as citizens must demand that these monsters be locked up for ever the first time. In 1933 Brook Hart was murdered and the citizens of California lynched the two men responsible. The Governor at the time took no legal action against the mob as the rest of the country approved. Who is letting these vial animals roam free in our streets? What has happened to our country, we used to take care of our own. When is enough of this, Pauly Class, Adam Walsh, how many more little angels have to be torn apart, before we take to the streets and do what our so called leaders have so stomach to do. If abusing a child is not justification for the death penalty, what on earth is? God be with the Cantu Family, and bless and welcome this little angel into your heaven. Jesus is lord and justice will come.



Date:
4/7/2009
Time:
11:30:31 AM
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I am so sick of seeing these predators showing up on Megan’s Law sites in my community, near schools and parks. Anyone who abuses a child is a monster and should be put down like a rabid dog. There is no rehabilitation and we as citizens must demand that these monsters be locked up for ever the first time. In 1933 Brook Hart was murdered and the citizens of California lynched the two men responsible. The Governor at the time took no legal action against the mob as the rest of the country approved. Who is letting these vial animals roam free in our streets? What has happened to our country, we used to take care of our own. When is enough of this, Pauly Class, Adam Walsh, how many more little angels have to be torn apart, before we take to the streets and do what our so called leaders have so stomach to do. If abusing a child is not justification for the death penalty, what on earth is? God be with the Cantu Family, and bless and welcome this little angel into your heaven. Jesus is lord and justice will come.



Date:
4/7/2009
Time:
11:41:59 AM
Remote User:
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What happened to Sandra?



Date:
4/7/2009
Time:
12:14:07 PM
Remote User:
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The links on this site are not properly working.



Date:
4/7/2009
Time:
12:15:28 PM
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Why was the pastor's house surrounded last night? Now searching your church?!? This man has been your pastor for almost 30 years....do you all not know him?? I sincerely hope your Pastor had nothing to do with little Sandra's murder.



Date:
4/7/2009
Time:
12:25:06 PM
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Maybe the Devil has been hiding in your own church! If Pastor Lawless murdered this beautiful child I hope he rots in HELL.



Date:
4/7/2009
Time:
12:34:59 PM
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Innocent til proven guilty



Date:
4/7/2009
Time:
12:35:06 PM
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ur a sick man



Date:
4/7/2009
Time:
12:42:27 PM
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Let the law do it's work. If thepastor had anything to do with this the law and the lord will take care of him. The lord forgives, but this will not be forgiven.



Date:
4/7/2009
Time:
12:43:44 PM
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What is this book about? Proverbs 3 5-6 I have read a book called The Shack by WM. Paul Young. There is no excuse for the poor child Sandra It breaks my heart. If you read this book it may help with understanding. I am so sorry to the family and my families prayers are with you



Date:
4/7/2009
Time:
12:44:06 PM
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I have a feeling it's not Pastor Lawless they're looking at but a grandson. His children are old enough to have kids in their 20's.



Date:
4/7/2009
Time:
12:57:13 PM
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Does a grandson reside with Pastor Lawless? Is there a criminal history? If so, don't tell me the family wasn't aware.....no cop outs allowed!!

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 Church Guestbook Posts - Pastor Lane Lawless
Date:
4/7/2009
Time:
1:44:04 PM
Remote User:
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Hmmm. seems some locals noted how disturbing Pastor Lawless' over-the-top tear jerking and word gulping when discussing this little child, Chandra. A little too emotionally connected to her, doncha' know? Reminds us of many of other cases connected to churches, the BTK serial killer and that little girl killed in Novato back in the late 1980's being invited into a church she was passing for an ice cream. That invitation resulted in her rape/murder and dumped with church papers in garbage sack. I know when someone introduces themselves as a Pastor, Preacher, Priest or Minister the first instinct is to run for an hours long rape victim shower.



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4/7/2009
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May the person(s) responsible for this senseless act burn in hell for eternity.



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4/7/2009
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<<True Christianity teaches that there is only one mediator between God and man Christ Jesus. But the Catholic church observes the so-called Mass. The word mass means, dismissal. Here is where the priest dismisses the sins of the people through the sacraments.>> Who taught you this? NOT true! "Mass" in Latin means "a sending out". The mass ends with "The mass is ended. Go in peace to love and serve the Lord." It has nothing to do with dismissing sins. It has to do with leaving a worship service and then practicing Christianity in our daily lives - loving and serving the Lord. I don't expect you to stop hating Catholicism but if you want to be credible you should at least get the right information.



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4/7/2009
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scary forum



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4/7/2009
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I've seen this sort of thing before. I hope the webmaster closes this forum before it gets ugly. Rest in Peace Sandra. God Bless You.



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4/7/2009
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Very disturbing to think that a man preaching the good word could in any way be involved in such an horrific crime. God Bless Sandra and he family.



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4/7/2009
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Sick Sick Sick man! The pastor must be guily for them to tape off the church even before they deicovered the body... This man should suffer CRUEL pain........... If he is guily Gid knows and I hope he rots in hell for eternity.



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4/7/2009
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You can't judge him until there is evidence that leads to him, pray for the family, go is going to get whoever done such an awfull thing to one of his children. too much madness going on, cop killers, pedafills running wild, GM, AIG? and a host of other. people we have to pray.



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4/7/2009
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Please explain!! Does this church run an outreach for recovering drug addicts or pedophiles (sp)?? If a member ran to the church and confessed to this crime to the minister, could the minister with hold this info? Could that be why they want to search the church? Could the minister have something to do with this? What is happening to our country? Why all these children? God help us all, and pray for this poor family.



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The last post asked, "What is happening to our country?" Well it would appear that our nation is reaping the rotten fruit of the evil seed that has been sown for multiple decades. Our country is infatuated with murder as depicted on countless television shows each evening, we flock to see movies like Friday the 13th, Silence of the Lambs, and thousands of other such moral filth, and men and women may now go online in the privacy of their own homes to look at millions of websites containing the most abhorrent forms of debauchery (including child porn, rape, etc) at any time of day and with complete anonymity. If even a small portion of these people (especially men) decide to act out what they have been looking at and thinking about each day, then this would account for hundreds, if not thousands, of criminal acts against innocent children each month. If this were not true, why do companies spend billions of dollars on 30 second TV ads every year??? Because images and messages DO convince 'some' people to go out and buy their products. How much more might hours and hours spent watching violence and immorality on TV, DVD, and the internet influence a variety of individuals to fantasize about what it might be like to actually 'experience' what they have only fantasized about up until that time. What is happening to our country? Sadly, we are reaping what we have sown and it appears that even the most innocent in our country, children (born and unborn), are the victims of the evil that we have so willingly embraced. May the Lord God Almighty have mercy on our land, but may He also discipline and rebuke a people that have forsaken Him and run after every manner of evil and perversion with a continual lust for more. Lastly, may the true church of Jesus Christ be on it knees for our country as we see more and more of these wicked acts committed against our children.



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4/7/2009
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The last post asked, "What is happening to our country?" Well it would appear that our nation is reaping the rotten fruit of the evil seed that has been sown for multiple decades. Our country is infatuated with murder as depicted on countless television shows each evening, we flock to see movies like Friday the 13th, Silence of the Lambs, and thousands of other such moral filth, and men and women may now go online in the privacy of their own homes to look at millions of websites containing the most abhorrent forms of debauchery (including child porn, rape, etc) at any time of day and with complete anonymity. If even a small portion of these people (especially men) decide to act out what they have been looking at and thinking about each day, then this would account for hundreds, if not thousands, of criminal acts against innocent children each month. If this were not true, why do companies spend billions of dollars on 30 second TV ads every year??? Because images and messages DO convince 'some' people to go out and buy their products. How much more might hours and hours spent watching violence and immorality on TV, DVD, and the internet influence a variety of individuals to fantasize about what it might be like to actually 'experience' what they have only fantasized about up until that time. What is happening to our country? Sadly, we are reaping what we have sown and it appears that even the most innocent in our country, children (born and unborn), are the victims of the evil that we have so willingly embraced. May the Lord God Almighty have mercy on our land, but may He also discipline and rebuke a people that have forsaken Him and run after every manner of evil and perversion with a continual lust for more. Lastly, may the true church of Jesus Christ be on it knees for our country as we see more and more of these wicked acts committed against our children.



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4/7/2009
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The last post asked, "What is happening to our country?" Well it would appear that our nation is reaping the rotten fruit of the evil seed that has been sown for multiple decades. Our country is infatuated with murder as depicted on countless television shows each evening, we flock to see movies like Friday the 13th, Silence of the Lambs, and thousands of other such moral filth, and men and women may now go online in the privacy of their own homes to look at millions of websites containing the most abhorrent forms of debauchery (including child porn, rape, etc) at any time of day and with complete anonymity. If even a small portion of these people (especially men) decide to act out what they have been looking at and thinking about each day, then this would account for hundreds, if not thousands, of criminal acts against innocent children each month. If this were not true, why do companies spend billions of dollars on 30 second TV ads every year??? Because images and messages DO convince 'some' people to go out and buy their products. How much more might hours and hours spent watching violence and immorality on TV, DVD, and the internet influence a variety of individuals to fantasize about what it might be like to actually 'experience' what they have only fantasized about up until that time. What is happening to our country? Sadly, we are reaping what we have sown and it appears that even the most innocent in our country, children (born and unborn), are the victims of the evil that we have so willingly embraced. May the Lord God Almighty have mercy on our land, but may He also discipline and rebuke a people that have forsaken Him and run after every manner of evil and perversion with a continual lust for more. Lastly, may the true church of Jesus Christ be on it knees for our country as we see more and more of these wicked acts committed against our children.



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4/7/2009
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3:11:10 PM
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Sorry about the duplicates, my browser didn't show that it was saving the text.



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4/7/2009
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wow.................!!!!!!!



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4/7/2009
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3:20:45 PM
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Wow. This Lawless guy...



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4/7/2009
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Only god know's.. but if you did commit this hanless act? i hope to god you burn in suffer in this world and may you and your family be cursed 1,000 times, you non-believer!!! You call yourself a Christian? You coward



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4/7/2009
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3:45:14 PM
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If he had any knowledge of what happened to this child, lord help us all, if this is what this world is coming to.



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4/7/2009
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My heart and prayers go out to the family, friends and loved one's of Sandra Cantu. I hope this so called Man of God had nothing to do with what happened to that sweet innocent angel Sandra Cantu. If he did I pray that God will not have mercy on him, and that he will be punished to the fullest extent the law allows and than some. God wants us to forgive but in a case like this I don't see how anyone can. I pray Sandra will rest in peace and God will comfort her Mother and family in their time of need.



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4/7/2009
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Let us just pray that justice may be served. May the Lords loving arms embrace this family as they go through this time. "Vengeance is mine saith the Lord."



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4/7/2009
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Is this not America? People are presumed innocent until proven guilty. If this pastor and/or his family had anything to do with the sad and tragic death of Sandra Cantu, it will be found through investigation by the authorities. Prosecution and punishment will then happen. Until such time, please do not judge and instead pray for the Cantu family for their tragic, tragic loss. They really need your prayers.



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4/7/2009
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re: Is this not america.....I agree with what you say......Is this not America? People are presumed innocent until proven guilty. If this pastor and/or his family had anything to do with the sad and tragic death of Sandra Cantu, it will be found through investigation by the authorities. Prosecution and punishment will then happen. Until such time, please do not judge and instead pray for the Cantu family for their tragic, tragic loss. They really need your prayers....except for this last part about praying...i do not beleive in prayer but action on everyones part to make our world more civilized....safe for our children and each other



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4/7/2009
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Oh my! This could shake a lot of peoples faith if this Pastor had anything to do with this horrible horrible crime. My heart goes out to the Cantu's.



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4/7/2009
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5:20:51 PM
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There are fifty registered sexual predators living around Sandra's area.



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4/7/2009
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funny, before today there were about 6 post in 8 years. doubt this site has a webmaster

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Church Guestbook Posts - Pastor Lane Lawless
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4/7/2009
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5:51:03 PM
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Innocent until proven guilty.



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4/7/2009
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4/7/2009
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you god damn christians,let god decide who sould go to hell for ever;it seems as if you are not sure that there is a god.churches are a breeding ground for pedophiles for good reason: the kids that frequent them.do not indict the pastor yet



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4/7/2009
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This is such a horrible story. I pray that they catch the person that murdered Sandra Cantu. Whoever did this is a monster.



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4/7/2009
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the church is always there for you when you need it;that what you think! peace and love for every one and dont allow your rage to degenerate into vengeance



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4/7/2009
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Dear Sir or Madam, Beginning a post with "You G__ d__ Christians" is not the best way to win an audience, or to express your anger for that matter. I'm a Christian, I have judged no individual in this event, and I trust that God will bring the person(s) responsible to justice. I also pray that Gpd may spare other children from such horrible crimes.



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4/7/2009
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If we should find out that the murderer of Sandra is someone who is affiliated with this church, it is important for everyone to remember that evil people hide themselves among good people. Evil people disguise themselves as good Christian people, boy scout leaders, etc. What better place for wolves to hide than among sheep? That does not mean that Christians are evil, it means that evil people hide themselves among Christians. Please do not base your choice to believe in God on these wolves in sheep clothing. If you have; lied once, stolen once, lusted once, or broken any of the other 10 commandments, you have sinned against God’s law. We have each sinned and, according to God, the price of our sin is death. Jesus paid the price for our sins so that if we believe in him and trust him, we are no longer guilty in God’s eyes and can spend eternity in the perfect world that he has waiting for us. A world where there will be no sin, no more little children being murdered, no more evil.



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4/7/2009
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6:39:43 PM
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That "God" may spare them (type-o)



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4/7/2009
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My heart sank when I found out that Sandra was gone forever now. I was wishing i heard wrong but I didn’t. This is horrible! I pray that they find the monster that did this to Sandra. I have an 8 year old girl so this story hit really close to home. Parents please watch your children. Always know where they are. My heart goes out to her mother, father, grandparents, and all of her family. It's not the time to blame them. They are going through enough with the loss of this beautiful child. Let's keep them in our prayers. RIP Sandra.



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4/7/2009
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i am not in there to make friends just think about the facts, its proven pedophiles lay in wait in churches for hundreds of years or more.bingo



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4/7/2009
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lets relax and wait for the police to do its job;abolish the death penalty for the sake of god.



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4/7/2009
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would sandra want anyone to burn in hell!



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4/7/2009
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by the way it's not god but the police that will bring the killer to justice.



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4/7/2009
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7:28:06 PM
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The Clover Road Baptist Church is full of wonderful Christian people. Bro. Lawless is one of them. I pray that the people who are writing all of these bad comments on this forum come back when he is cleared of any wrong doing and write their apology, this is America. We need to let the authorities doing what they do best. Sandra's story is very sad and heart wrenching, everyone that hears about feels for her family and friends. Bro. Lawless also has family and friends. Please allow his family the decent respect to allow time for the facts to pan out before making aqusations. Thank you all!



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4/7/2009
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Innocent until proven guilty, but Sir Lawless, why did you drive away?? Anyone know where the irrigation pond is on Google Maps? How far from clover?



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4/7/2009
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Luke 23:21



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The pond is only 2 miles from the church. I would hope a supposed man of the cloth is not connected but it wouldn't be the first time that a wolf dressed in sheep's clothing, now would it?



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4/7/2009
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For those that are quick to stand up for these two, ask yourself one question - Why would the wife of a pastor say "Why would anyone take such a sweet little girl and abuse her and then murder her?"? It has NEVER been reported that little Sandra was abused, all we know is that the poor child was murdered and tossed away in a suit case in a pond filled with cow waste and water wearing the same clothes she was last seen in. Makes you wonder why she (the pastor's wife) would jump to such a conclusion, does it not?

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Church Guestbook Posts - Pastor Lane Lawless
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4/7/2009
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8:45:16 PM
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My heart goes out to Sandra's family. I was sick to my stomach when I found out last night that she was gone. Such innocence and beauty, stolen from a sweet and precious little girl. I have three little girls, and all I could do today was hug them and kiss them all day. I sincerely hope that these accusations are just that. We can no longer trust anyone with our innocent children! Does this mean we can no longer trust our church, schools, coaches, etc.? If so, we might as well board up the windows, homeschool our children, and never let them out of our sight!!! I am a fairly young mother, but things have changed so much since I was a child. My oldest daughter is turning six, and I don't even like her in our front yard when I'm out there with her! My heart aches for her family, and especially her mother. I have no idea what it feels like to lose a child, and I hope I never with have to. May she rest in peace with angels.



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4/7/2009
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9:13:08 PM
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Is there still Wednesday service tomorrow? Sinner



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4/7/2009
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Many people are rushing to judgment with the scantiest of facts. Smearing a person without actual knowledge is itself an aggressive act with a potential victim. Let's let the professionals pursue the forensic leads. Possibilities exist, but there is nothing in the public record to suggest probabilities.



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4/7/2009
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I pray that all those responsible for the death of Sandra Cantu be brought before the Lord to answer for their sins and begin their sentence of eternity in Hell!



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4/7/2009
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What happened to Sandra is so very sad but i think its sad that so many people are making this pastor guilty before the law does their job.They have questioned many people and they are not all guilty so we must be patient and wait for an arrest and then a trial. Imagine if you lived in the trailer park and were questioned. WOuld you want people talking about you? Time will tell and until we know for sure we must be patient.None of us wants to bear false witness. Lets be careful and treat each other as we would want to be treated.



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4/7/2009
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I believe we are very angry and hurt, for Sandra and her family. But let's trust God. He knows the way. Let's not rush into judgement until authorities do their job. Let's trust them as well. Let's make this experience one that will make us more loving and careful with our family, especially our children.



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4/7/2009
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11:47:32 PM
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I pray that the authorities will have wisdom as they sort though this horrific crime against a beautiful child - there is a special place of torment for those who harm children.....the Bible says about those who harm innocent children.."it is better for them that they had a milestone tied around their neck and tossed into the sea."



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4/7/2009
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I picked up as well at the comment of the pastors wife. And she kind of paused after she said that as well. Makes me wonder?? How does she know she was abused? And it is hard to trust anyone anymore...even those who preach religion and God. I hope he is not involved in any way, but only time will tell. We have to trust those who are doing the investigations to find the low life that could have done this to sweet Sandra. But I will tell you this....I do not think if the police had nothing...they would have searched and taken as much stuff as they did. And to take computers? To me that spells child porn and that is the low of the low. My prayers are with the Cantu family and RIP little Sandra...I am so sorry you were taken from this Earth so soon.



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4/8/2009
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Innocent until proven guilty is what America is all about. I am a mother with 2 kids, but I still believe in the 5th Amendment. Did I believe that Scott Peterson killed his wife and child before his trial: yes, but I wasn't on the jury. And yes, he was entitled to a trial by a jury of his peers. Sometimes the jury gets it right (they did with him) and sometimes they get it wrong (OJ Simpson), but it's still our legal system and gets it right a majority of the time. Let the legal system work and hopefully there will be justice for this little girl. I am also a Christian. And believe it or not, ALL people of ALL religions have committed horrible acts of murder. Being a Christian does not guarantee our (good) behavior, it simply means that we believe that Christ died on the cross for our sins. We don't claim to be perfect; only Christ was perfect, without sin. In fact, the last thing we want to lay claim to is perfectness... because that's when you screw up: when you put yourself on a pedestal and think you're better than everybody else. I believe we should have compassion for this Pastor and his family until it is proven that he/they are guilty. You would want the same treatment if it was your husband/son/wife/child, or YOU being investigated. "Do unto others" people. Have patience. Pray that law enforcement/forensics will get the right person. And pray for this little girl's family... they must be heartbroken. I am, and I don't even know her. And when the guilty party is found, throw the book at them.



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4/8/2009
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Dear Pastors, Please except this apology, I am extremly sadden to see people state selfish comments that tear down, rip apart and harm. I want to encourage you to "be strong and couragoues". If the Bible says that ALL THING, God works for the good of those who love him. Then be bless and rejoice, even in the stom. Again, I am sorry for the harmful words of those who "do not know what they do".



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4/8/2009
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Truth of the matter is...the police aren't gonna waiste this much time on someone unless they're pretty sure.......they know what they're doing and who did this! These guys always leave tons of evidence behind.....and why is this Lawless guy letting his wife speak for him? Not holding mass on Sunday????



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4/8/2009
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If rocks could be thrown on the internet, then this is the place to duck! Yikes. Just remember dear friends that, according to God's Word, we ALL deserve hell because we "ALL have sinned and fallen short of God's glory" (Romans 3:23). Whoever committed this crime certainly deserves to be brought to justice, but he does not deserve hell any more or less than the rest of us. God demands perfection, righteousness, and holiness from those who would dwell with him. Since all of us are no where close to being holy, then we must freely admit we are sinners, and stand in great need of God's forgiveness through faith in Christ Jesus and his sacrifice on the cross. May God show mercy to Sandra's family, the pastors and staff of this church, the community of Tracy, and to every one of us who are completely lost without Him! To God be the glory forever and ever.



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4/8/2009
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I hope that this Pastor did not kill this little girl. I would think if her was a sexual predator and he had done this to someone at his church before someone would of heard about it. I feel it is someone associated with the church. I think since the Caylee Anthony case and all of the shows about it like Nancy Grace we are all jumping to conclusions and condemming someone who may be innocent. We need to let Law Enforcement do their job and quit listening to the TV and all of the rumors and false information about these missing child cases.



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4/8/2009
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I hope that this Pastor did not kill this little girl. I would think if he was a sexual predator and he had done this to someone at his church before someone would of heard about it. I feel it is someone associated with the church. I think since the Caylee Anthony case and all of the shows about it like Nancy Grace we are all jumping to conclusions and condemming someone who may be innocent. We need to let Law Enforcement do their job and quit listening to the TV and all of the rumors and false information about these missing child cases.



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4/8/2009
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Wow. Let's remember, WHOEVER committed this crime sinned. Who, that has posted on this site, has not sinned? Not one. In God's eyes, your sin is as big as the sin committed against this beautiful little girl. It only takes ONE sin to separate any of us from God. Thank God, He sent His Son so that we could be forgiven from ALL of our sins, through the precious blood of Jesus Christ. Don't fool yourselves people, there is coming a day when EVERY knee will bow before our Father in Heaven. You can believe it or not, but it IS going to happen. Praise God!



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4/8/2009
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You say that "In Gods eyes your sin is as big as the sin committed against this beautiful little girl" So with that thinking a kid that steals a penny gumball is as bad of a person as this child killer. I consider myself a christian, but I really hope this isnt how the judgement works.



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4/8/2009
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I question a Church that does not post a Mission Statement as being a true Christian congregation

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Church Guestbook Posts - Pastor Lane Lawless
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4/8/2009
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9:04:09 AM
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Pastor Lawless' wife, Connie, added that Cantu sometimes visited their home often to play with their great granddaughter. Hmm, Church down the street, Lawless lives in the park, FBI spent hours searching the church-Law enforcement says you have to have known the Tracy area very well to have known to put the luggage in the pond. Fred Williams church member and defender Pastor Lawless of said that the mysterious black suitcase Cantu was found in was reported stolen the same day Cantu disappeared. Who would have known where to found a suitcase, and what criminal would risk so much just to steal a suitcase- Pastor Lawless or a family member knew about the suitcase- The suitcase is the key and I personally believe the FBI know their suspect and have them under surveillance until enough evidence is gathered to make an arrest any day-



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4/8/2009
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The location of the pond is Whitehall Rd with a cross street refernce of Bacchetti Rd. There is a large body of water about .3 clicks east of Bacchetti Rd on the north side. This location is 4.5 clicks from the Church under investigation. A 7 minute drive. Not far at all! I hope that whoever did this will get their just deserts! It is horrible to know that we live in a world where kids are takin and lives destroyed in a matter of minutes, and the offenders who enact these heinous crimes have no remorse! God will have the last say in their fate! No deed goes unpunished.



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4/8/2009
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I quit my last church NHCC because they were allowing a sex offender to be there and serve there. To this day parents in that church still do not know he is a sex offender. They leave their kids to be slaughtered while the pastor does nothing to inform or protect...underneath the disguise all are welcome in a church. It's only a matter of time before he rapes someone else. So I am not surprised at all that this pastor is being questioned. As far as all the members....shame on you. There is no possible way you didn't know something was wrong with this guy. You could have saved her!



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4/8/2009
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I just want to say I have an 8 year old daughter and my heart goes out to this mother I pray the lord will wrap his arms around this family and give them some kind of peace I cannot imagine the pain and suffering they are feeling right now.. I also want to say that people should quit jumping to conclusions no one knows as of right now what has happened and it is unfortunate that rather than praying for this family people are on here already convicting this pastor the facts are not all in and no arrest has been made the police are not even calling him a suspect as for what his wife said come on people this girl was stuffed into a suitcase and dropped in a irrigation canal I don't think it is too far a reach to make a statement that she was abused! If it does turn out he is guilty than I hope he burns just like the rest of you but can we atleast let the police do their job!!



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4/8/2009
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WOW, that's all I can say, as the mother of 2 young girls my heart goes out to Sandra's family. I had really prayed that they would find her safe. I also pray that this pastor had nothing to do with it. I am skeptical of church..alot of bad things happening lately in church... personal relationship with God is all that matters, not that you have to go to church to worship him...if the pastor is involved, I don't ever think that I will look at any church the same way again and I will think twice about all male figures that my children come in contact with. People please....stop letting your children out of your sight, it only takes seconds for someone to take your child and it only takes a minute to escort your child to where they are going in the neighborhood! How many more children must disappear before we start taking the simple precautions to ensure their safety? I live in rural Indiana and I don't let my daughters play outside in our fenced in yard without being able to see them. I am sorry that we live in a world where we have to constantly watch our children, but this in a fact of life.



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4/8/2009
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Did you do it pastor?



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4/8/2009
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My heart goes out to Sandra's Mother and family. No body should have to go through this type of destruction. Sadly to say that everyone does make horrible comments, however it is innocent until proven guilty. But when the evidence is there and being delt with in a timely manner, it is very hard to sit back and wait for conclusion of the facts to be revealed. One FACT IS THAT 2 or more people know who did this evil act, that would be "Sandra" and the evil person who did this to her. The clues and evidence are pointing in certain directions and there is only one reason for that, time will only reveal the TRUE FACTS. Time is a hard thing to deal with, all of people who are thrashing words on this site due to not knowing the facts, how do you think this poor Mother is feeling not having her child that she has had for the last eight years. Selfish and angry people are all around and that is very sad. Time will tell and I am sorry to say that hurt does not go away and Sandra's mom is going to live with this until the day she is in Heaven with her Angel Baby. It is easy to judge, but the truth is hard to get as fast as we all would like to get it. God Bless everyone. I pray for all of the children and families every time I pray, for the whole world. TIME AND EFFORT WILL REVEAL THE MONSTER WHO DID THIS. BE A LOT BIGGER THEN THE UNEDUCATED WORDS THAT COME OUT. THINK BEFORE YOU TALK.



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4/8/2009
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Obviously the person linked to this crime was and is living in that Trailor court and goes to that Church!! Either it is the Pastor or someone linked with the Pastor, which would be one of his children that were mentioned in an earlier posting here above. I do not want to judge but I think the evidence is pointing to the Pastor. I pray the FBI and the forensics do their jobs fast in reference to this case.



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4/8/2009
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I think it's a family member of the preacher.He did have 9 grandchildren.Probably in his early 20's,no job, hung out,and knew the surroundings(the pond).



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4/8/2009
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11:41:59 AM
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Trace the serial number on the suitcase.Try to fing where and when it might have been purchased.



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4/8/2009
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"Trace the serial number on the suitcase.Try to fing where and when it might have been purchased." Suitcases have serial numbers??



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4/8/2009
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I don't think someone who is almost 80 years old could do something like this, especially a pastor.If he did he had help.



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4/8/2009
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11:55:06 AM
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Were any of his grand kids LOSERS?



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4/8/2009
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To the Pastor, his wife and the congregation of this Church, I will pray for each of you. Whether innocent or guilty, the one absolute is that prayer is much needed in this community. Sadly, Christianity as a whole is under attack each time a situation like this becomes known. As we are in the middle of Holy Week, I would ask that each of us who truly believe in God show our faith, show the absolute light of Christ, by praying for ALL involved in this horrible tragedy. Regardless of whom they determine to be at fault, the person or persons capable of looking into that sweet little girls’ big brown eyes and still manage to take her life is undoubtedly a monster. As such, they and all who surround them need prayer. The guilty will be punished, there is no doubt, but we as Christians are not placed here to judge. If you are posting on this site and propose to be a Christian but are spewing hate, you need to have a long chat with God this evening. I, like everyone else, am human and I am disgusted at the thought of this horrible act. Times like this can be most challenging for a Christian. We are faced daily with unspeakable crimes taking place in our own back yard. The human flesh reaction is to place blame and speak badly of others. When I find myself weak and wanting to lash out with my own quick opinion (happens all too often), I try to remind myself of what happened in Nickel Mines Pennsylvania. In Nickel Mines a small Amish community, not only managed to survive an attack on their schoolhouse that took the lives of several children, but also in the midst of their nightmare, they taught the nation a lesson on God’s love and forgiveness. Even in their great sorrow, they reached out and embraced the family of the man who stole their peace. They offered help, love and forgiveness…unconditionally. We should all strive to be so Christ-like in our actions.

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Church Guestbook Posts - Pastor Lane Lawless
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4/8/2009
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I agree, I do not live in Tracy, nor do I live in CA... But I ran into this post by accident, the people on here sound like a lynch mob! The media has already said that the pastor was questioned like many others, he is not a suspect at this time. People need to settle down, I feel really bad for this pastor, especially if it turns out that he had NOTHING to do with the littel girls death, he and his wife have done everything the authorities have asked of them and just want to help find the killer, if the means they need to answer questions they are doing it. People on this post have already strung this man up, tried him, and have him strapped to the electric chair, won't you feel like the fool when it turns out to be someone else. But I wonder how many people will come back to this site to say I'm sorry pastor I was wrong?? It is all about the dramatics, be damned with how it affects the possible innocent persons being tried by the party of fools on this post. Agian I do not know anyone involved in this case, and live in the midwest, but most of the bunch on this post sound like idiots! get a life, get a job, and find something to do with yourself. Let the law work, if the pastor had something to do with this it will come put, until then how about you greive for the family of this child, and get off the ban wagon of finger pointing! This is pathetic.



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4/8/2009
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4/8/2009
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THIS WHOLE SITE IS SAD...IT'S A CHURCH SITE FOR GODS HOME AND LOOK WHAT YOU PEOPLE ARE SAYING AND THROWING STONES............HOW SAD! RIP SWEET LITTLE GIRL, MAY GOD HOLD YOU IN HIS ARMS....



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4/8/2009
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I will be praying for the truth to be found out and peace for those who are innocent. Walker, Texas Preacher



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4/8/2009
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All fingers and clues in this case are pointing straight at this pastor. He either did it or had something to do with it (child or grandchild). Why would he be interviewed neumerous times, all of his vehicles taken, the suitcase in which contained the body was missing from his church... What a shame... They wouldnt be doing all this for NOTHING.... I'm sorry for the people on here who think that this horrific crime of sickness is equal to a small sin in Gods eyes. Im sure GOD has a SPECIAL punishment for this sick individual....



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4/8/2009
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4/8/2009
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"All fingers and clues in this case are pointing straight at this pastor" how do you know this? Are you an officer in Tracy or part of the FBI? if you are getting the info from the media the same as the rest of the world you have no basis for this statement? What is pointing the fingers in the pastors direction is that they searched his church, and his trailer, they also said "he is not a suspect at this time" THe suit case may have come from the church and may not have? a woman reported one missing from the church according to the media, so maybe she killed this poor child? it was her suit case. Come on! so far the authorities are not telling enough to say that this pastor is linked, that would be really stupid on thier part. I am not saying he had nothing to do with this, what I am saying is that the people on this post have convicted him based on media, let the law work. there have been others that have been questionsed by authorities multiple times as well. this finger pointing and lynch mob is silly! I would love to see how many of these people on here come back after this is sorted out, and say they were wrong if the pastor is cleared of this... Bet there won't be many, as that is not sensational enough for these sort of folks. Pray for justice, and pray for the little girls family! I will also be saying a prayer for this pastor tonight, as if he has nothing to do with this he is going to need it! this has got to be killing him. And if he is involved his soul we need the prayer!



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4/8/2009
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"All fingers and clues in this case are pointing straight at this pastor....." lol.... Your funny. First of all the Pastor and his wife were interviewed by the media in their vehicle. So that tells me that they still have their car. The cops could have talked to anyone for any amount of time, and I bet you would have jumped and said it was that person. That alone is not good judgement, heck I may have been you. Those who point fingers usually always have fingers pointing right back at them. Let the police and FBI do their jobs. The obviously have way more training than you do. Oh.....God Bless



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4/8/2009
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"All fingers and clues in this case are pointing straight at this pastor....." lol.... Your funny. First of all the Pastor and his wife were interviewed by the media in their vehicle. So that tells me that they still have their car. The cops could have talked to anyone for any amount of time, and I bet you would have jumped and said it was that person. That alone is not good judgement, heck it may have been you. Those who point fingers usually always have fingers pointing right back at them. Let the police and FBI do their jobs. They obviously have way more training than you do. Oh.....God Bless



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4/8/2009
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3:20:11 PM
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Stand Strong Lane! God Knows The Truth!



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4/8/2009
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This is the Church that Maria and Sandra have been going to. "Prayer for Maria" Sweet Child of the Lord, I pray that you find peace with this horrible even that you now find yourself in. I pray that God holds your chin and your head high through this ordeal. I pray that you and your baby and family can all become closer than ever and share support and love. I pray in the Name of Jesus our Lord and Savior for Peace, Love, and Joy. I have three children of my own, I can't imagine anyone going through this. Jesus please keep your hand on Maria and Family and walk every step with them. At this time I pray Lord that you comfort Maria and her family. In Jesus' name I pray. AMEN.



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4/8/2009
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show me the absolute proof that if you sin the way the killer did you burn in hell for eternity; you have none;instead focus on the law and when police get the killer let that person be tried.bush and cheney have killed thousands of children so would they burn for eternity in hell?come on let the system make sure the killer gets off the street and go back to your routine .

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Church Guestbook Posts - Pastor Lane Lawless
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4/8/2009
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There is a REASON why this so called pastor is being questioned! The law does not just take someone into questioning and search their home and church for no reason. I think the pastor is a sick man and he deserves to ROT in hell. You are no man of GOD. You should man up and accept what you have done to that beautiful precious child Sandra and turn yourself in, because sooner or later they will get you. Anyone that knows anything about this sick man and the murder of Sandra, Please for the sake of the Cantu family, SPEAK UP, GOD will be with you and protect you from all evil. God bless this family and may GOD bring true justice to this family



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4/8/2009
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Poor sweet darling little Sandra. So very sorry for her family. Why don't these disturbed horrific predators just kill themselves instead of innocent children? Why did the perp bury her on a dairy farm? Convenience or a connection? Are farms familiar to the perp?



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4/8/2009
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May you be reminded of a passage in the book John, Chapter 8. But Jesus bent down and started to write on the ground with his finger. When they kept on questioning him, he straightened up and said to them, "If any one of you is without sin, let him be the first to throw a stone at her." We don't know whether Pastor Lawless has committed this crime or not. So who are you to judge so quickly? My prayers and thoughts are with Sandra's family, and I pray you can turn your thoughts to her family as well instead of thinking how you can judge Pastor Lawless and the Christian community. <><



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4/8/2009
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I looked for this website in order to simply put a prayer for Sandra and her family and friends. I am from a family of Law Enforcement Officers; two Sheriff's, Police officers,an SBI agent, a Secret Service Agent, and Chief of Detectives for over 30 years...I have grown up with an understanding of how Investigations. I also have Pastors and Missionaries in my family. I learned early in life, that Preacher's kids & Cops Kids, really have it tough...but that is not what I wanted to get into...just want readers to understand that as I write this, I have an intimate understanding of both worlds... First, to the person who wrote, " It has NEVER been reported that little Sandra was abused" , therefore this person thinks the preachers wife KNOWS something. I daresay, that if the child was murdered, that qualifies as abuse...& mom and child have been attending here, so maybe she DOES have more insight than we do. Second, Do you remember the "Olympic Park Bomber"? I don't remember his name, but that guy was persecuted, prosecuted, hung and burned at the stake by the PUBLIC because...like someone said before me...Law Enforcement doesn't just serve warrants and take computers, etc. without cause...aahhhem...please do some research. You might want to check into the innocence project. How many people have been released in the past few years due to mistakes, rushes to judgement, and evidence that now can be tested? COPS R HUMAN! Third, How many people have been interviewed/questioned, etc., in this investigation? Have you folks taken your picket signs and stood in their yards screaming obscenities at them...just as has been done on this CHURCH website? No? Please examine why you think it appropriate to do so here. Fourth, If/When the person who did this horrible hate filled thing to this child is found, arrested, tried, and sentenced, ...and IF it ISNT this pastor, WILL YOU BE RETURNING TO THIS SITE, TO APOLOGIZE? Will you ask for forgiveness for prejudging this man? Will you ask him to forgive you for slandering him, his God, his church, his church members, his family, his friends...well, you are smart folks, so I don't need to go on. Finally: Dear Pastor and Church Family, I am not here to be angry. I am not here to vandalize your church's website. I am here to simply say I am praying for you and yours. To Sandra's family, I am praying God will allow you rest, placing His Angels around you now, whispering Gods love and peace in your ears when all you can hear is a dull roar of pain. That the peace of the Holy Spirit will wash over your body, mind and spirit to be your comfort in this agony I KNOW your are feeling. I pray that when you feel lonely,when you miss this child, that Angels will wrap wings of love around you and warm your hurting hearts. I pray that in time, you will only remember the Joy...the Joy of all those times you watched her sleep, the first steps, the first smile, the first words...knowing...knowing that you have NOT seen these things for the last time; but that Sandra will be waiting for you...and in time, you will hold her, smile with her, laugh with her, and rejoice with her in the awsome presence of Christ himself! Praying for You until then, From a mother whose child was taken, murdered, and knows this pain and cries with you. C in NC



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4/8/2009
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Whoever did this is sick and an idiot. The police are competent; they have mud, tire tracks, fiber traces…they seem to be moving at a fair pace in one direction, to the culprit of this heinous act. I’m going to watch and listen as the police do their job. The idiot will do something else stupid while trying to cover tracks. I will drink from my frosty chalice when caught.



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4/8/2009
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....Peace be with the family and friends of Sandra Cantu



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4/8/2009
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Another good thing about the police taking their time naming/arresting a suspect in this heinous crinme is that it gives him/her the opportunity to commit suicide, which saves the taxpayers a LOT of money and avoids a painful trial for Sandra's family.



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4/8/2009
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there has to be a reason why this pastor is being questioned. I noticed while watching Nancy grace that the wife, connie was doing all of the talking. Could she be involved with her husband? I wonder!



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4/8/2009
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I'be been married for 25 years, my wife always speaks for me

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Church Guestbook Posts - Pastor Lane Lawless
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4/8/2009
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7:28:14 PM
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4/8/2009
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I'm not a religious person. A whole lot of "pray for this and pray for that" as well as "hate and judge this and hate and judge that" seems to be happening here. Neither work for me because I have no idea what sort of god would allow some pervert to allow this innocent child to die in such a manner and I have no idea why any individuals would judge guilt on "anyone" so quickly and without clear evidence. I simply do not understand either of you. If any guilt exists, I "hope" for justice to the guilty, quick and complete. If not guilty, I "hope" that the individual or individuals being pre-judged are able to find strength in whatever way to endure and bear the trouble.



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4/8/2009
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I am ashamed to be part of the human race after reading some of these comments. Please let law enforcment do their jobs and end this mob mentality. If this guy did do it, he will pay, and rest assured that God's wrath when he finally does die, will be the least of his worries. But if he is innocent, I hope those of you who wrote such evil,horrible things, can take a good hard look at yourselves, as it is truly PATHETIC IGNORANCE and more families will have been ruined because of your rush to judgement. My thoughts are with the Cantu family,thinking of you and fully supporting you in this time of sorrow. Sandra will be truly missed.



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4/8/2009
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I got a wish. I wish Jesus come back soon and save us from ourselves...



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4/9/2009
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Dear Pastor, My prayer are with you and Sandra family. I am very sadden with what is going on right now. May God bless all of you out there in California. I am not the one to judge anyone. I just want this to be resolved and hopefully you will be cleared and you and your family can resume you all lives and continue preaching Gods word if that is his will for you. Stay strong because we all know that time is going to tell. I have a feeling it will be real soon. Be patience it will all be over soon. God knows the truth. That is Why her body has been reveal so soon. Think about it. Why All of a sudden that pond was drained that day. God reveal it, That was all a part of Gods plan, When the person was actually committing the act and thinking they were going to get away with it. Here is the key to who ever reads this. They say the person responsible knew so much about the area. Well apparently not because, Did they not know that the farm worker drain that pond here and there? Why would the person responsible put her there if they did not want precious Sandra to be discover. I think that is the mistake the person who did this made. Pastor with all due respect, I am going to be straight forward with you before I leave. I'm talking to you as if I have known you forever. Know matter what people say on this web-site, Just know if You know deep down in your heart honestly,that you truly had no involvement and have no knowledge at all about what happen to Sandra, Then you have nothing to worry about and you will remain a free man. However I completely understand that you must fully cooperate with law enforcement. In the meantime I will be praying and praying. God bless.



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4/9/2009
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True strength of heart is not in what we've done or what we know, but in the fears we face and in the patience we must show...For life brings times of challenge, and we sometimes have to cope with moments of frustration when we cling to fragile hope...We learn through times of sadness that, whatever life may bring, it's what we bring to life that is the most immportant thing...And while your situation now demands a lot from you, the strength of heart you've always shown will help and guide you through. Even though this is a tough time for you,have hope, take courage, and never forget...You're strong, you can make it through, and you're never alone.



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4/9/2009
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Pastor Lawless, I do not know you, and I do not live in Califonia, but I am very sad about what is going on there right now. As a man of god I hope that you are able to pray for the souls of the people making these posts. If you are innocent I hope that you are able to forgive those that have been som quick to judge you. People judged Jesus as well. Please keep the faith pastor Lawless, and I am praying for you at this time. For the family of Sandra I am on my knees praying as hard as I can that you may find some comfort in your memories of little Sandra. I know it will take time, and it will always hurt, but god is an amazing strength, it is hard at times to understand why this could happen, and hard to turn to god for your emotional needs, but do it! you will need to get past the anger and dispare, and God is the ONLY way you will be able to do this... There is nothing else in this world strong enough to walk tou down the path of forgivness, and allow your heart to shine with Sandra's memories. This will fill you with love and joy, work through the anger, it will be hard and will take time, but Sandra will help you do this. She looked like such an angel, and now she is, let her lead you to God and comfort, let her hold your hand as you take this horrible journy of loss. God bless Sandra and family & God Bless Pastor Lawless and his family, there is so much hurt and anger right now please try to understand Pastor Lawless that God will lead you to where you belong as well, and try to forgive the ones that are so quick to cast the 1st stone, they are only acting on emotion and anger. God Blees and lead these posters as well, fill their hearts with love and comfort, and understanding. Also guide the law to where they need to be, give them the strength to get through this horrible case and lead this community to healing. In Gods name!!



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4/9/2009
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Where are you people getting you information? How are you able to pass judgement on this man and his family from what is in the media? Do all of you posters that are convicting this pastor know him? Do you know of evil in his heart, do you know him to be a BAD man, a child killer, a person with EVIL in his heart? I can't understand where your judgements are coming from here is what I have been seeing, in no way would I be able to judge this man based on this? Pray for Sandr's family, they need your positive energy right now, pray for the law inforcement officers, this has to be hear wrenching on them. Pay for this community, and pray for yourselves that you may be kind and understanding, and without judgement. The killer will be found, and they will be judged by God, and the courts, you don't need to do that, GOD has that covered. God Bless you all. Media clips: “So far, no suspects have been identified, but 15 search warrants have been served as Tracy police and FBI agents scour the area in search of Sandra's killer.” "We feel a great deal of pressure. We want to find who is responsible for this," said Tracy police Sgt. Tony Sheneman. "We don't want to rush to judgment and we don't want people tried in the press." “Thus far, the department has interviewed several people, including Lane Lawless, 77, pastor of the Clover Road Baptist Church, which was searched for evidence Tuesday.” “The pastor's wife, Connie Lawless, said the couple had nothing to do with Sandra's killing and that authorities were interested in them only because they lived down the street from her and she used to play with their great-grandchild.” “Police said Lawless is not a suspect and no arrests are imminent.” “Sheneman also said the department is not focusing on any one person.” "We are looking at a lot of people," he said. "Everyone we are talking to has been cooperative. We are working very diligently to locate and identify the killer or killers of Sandra Cantu."



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4/9/2009
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I live in the midwest and I have been reading all of the recent posts on this website. The only thing that I can say is that bad things happen everywhere! Not just in California or to somebody else! Praying is not going to keep our children safe. We need to teach our children that there are monsters out there waiting to get them! It's the truth. My heart goes out to Sandra's family and especially her mother. This was a terrible thing to have happened to this family. My hope is that other families learn from this tradgey! Know where you children are at all times! Do not let them go anywhere unattended! There is another unsloved case here in Constantine, MI. Small town, it's been over a year. 11 year old went to a friends house on her bike, never showed up and was found abused and murdered in the town cemetary. There's only like 4,000 people in the town and they still have not found the person responsible. I have to think that we can prevent some of these things from happening by not allowing these sick predators to have that second of opportunity to snatch our children. Don't let your child walk or ride their bike in the neighborhood unattended! You do not know your neighbors, you only know what they want you to know. Be parents, keep your children safe! This is not the same world that our parents and grandparents grew up in. The monsters are out there and it is our job as parents to keep our children out of harms way.



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4/9/2009
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Praying you are right, will not keep our children safe! Not without close parental eyes... But praying will help the souls so tragically touched by this horrible event. And a church website is bound to talk about prayer! So if you feel that prayer is not the answer then you should post on a non-religious based website. I agree that people need to hold your children close, but no matter how close you hold them you can not protect them from 100% of all evil, and you can not watch your children 100% of the time, no matter how much you try, if you tell me that you can you are not a parent, and have not experienced parenthood. What harm do you feel your child will come to walking a couple of doors down to a neighbors home? What age is old enough to walk a couple of doors down to a neighbors house? 15 and 16 year old children have come up missing, should they not be leaving your sight to visit a friend. Children need to be able to grow into their own person, and can't be made to live in fear at all times, what kind of childhood would that be? No you can't play outside today because mommy can't watch you 100% of the time. Mom has to get something from the house I know you are 8 years old but you need to come in? These things will happen, and there is little we can do to prevent it, except to take away our kids childhood, and smoother them. I am sure Sandras mother is say I wish I would have right now, but as a parent looking honestly at this I don't know that letting my 8 year old walk a few houses down would seem like such a dangerous event. It turns out it was, but she was just being a child like so many other children across America. I feel that the best we can do right now is pray! We can't bring Sandra back, but we can pray as hard as we can for justice, strength and mercy! And we need to continue to pray. But we as a society also need to punish the people that kill our children! The answer is not to lock up your kids, the answer is to lock up the monsters, and NEVER let them out. Maybe a federal capital punishment with 1 strike and your out would be the answer. You kill a child in this sort of manner and it was not an accident then you die!!! Let the kids be kids...

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Church Guestbook Posts - Pastor Lane Lawless
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4/9/2009
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I sure am glad that my judge is the God Almighty and not you folks. lol! Everyone talks about how restrictive and judgemental Christianity is, but at least God has made a provision for us through His Son, Jesus Christ. And for those of you who are 'athiest', what standard of judgement are you using for the predator who killed this little girl? Where do you get your moral viewpoint of what is right and wrong? If you truly believe there is no God, then who's to say what is right and wrong? Stay with me here...you are judging the person who killed this girl, using the moral standards set forth in the Bible, the Living Word of God. Without those standards, everything would be left to man's interpretation of right and wrong. So, if a person thinks it's okay to molest a child, then it's okay. Do you get it? Do you get that you are using the standards set forth by God, in whom you do not believe, to judge others? If you athiests are so superior to us poor Christians, who rely on God to lead us and protect us, make up your own set of standards. Quit stealing from the Almighty, while denying His very existence. And know this, you will bow before Him one day. You can believe it or not, you will bow before Him. And when you do, you will be judged by Him. Repent...He sent His Son to die for you, even though you reject Him, He loves you, and it's not too late to repent and accept Christ's love for you. John 3:16



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4/9/2009
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Hello pastor, I was here earlier. I have not yet heard of any new development. Just wanted to say hang ion there it all in the lord hands. I hope that your family and you are okay as well as Sandra family. This is a hard time for the whole word. I am just waiting for you to be cleared and the person who responsible for this crime. Hang in the and do not give up. i see that you have a large audience now. WOW! imagine that. That is sad.



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4/9/2009
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Hello pastor, I was here earlier. I have not yet heard of any new development. Just wanted to say hang ion there it all in the lord hands. I hope that your family and you are okay as well as Sandra family. This is a hard time for the whole word. I am just waiting for you to be cleared and the person who responsible for this crime. Hang in the and do not give up. i see that you have a large audience now. WOW! imagine that. That is sad.I am from Clearwater, Fla



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4/9/2009
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Judge not! Imagine if this was your child! How can you say that this parent just needed to watch her child. How heartless and ignorant can a person be. This is a dead little girl, that was only guilty of going to play with her friends. And this is a grieving mother only guilty of allowing her child to be a child. This is only the fault of the monster that found it in his will to destroy this family, and kill this little angel. People like you make me so sick! It is so easy to say when it is not your child!



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4/9/2009
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1:52:34 PM
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You're website is pretty generic. Not one that would draw to it. Why are the Tracey police investigating your church and it's grounds? Why are they digging things up and taking the finds to a lab to be tested?



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4/9/2009
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Is school out this week? Because reading some of the slanderist comments about this pastor, it sure sounds like it. R.I.P. Sandra Cantu 2009. Will (Austin TX)



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4/9/2009
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Why was the pastor stuttering on TV and why did his wife do all the talking? That Bastard must have done it! Look at the evil in his eye, during the interviews! I feel that he has done it and his wife knows about it!I wish this upon his children/grand children, if he did it! YOU WILL ROT IN HELL! And also why no Sunday service this WEEK PASTOR? You know dam well that you did it! Be a man and pay for what you have done to this family. RIP Sandra and God Bless her Family



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4/9/2009
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Looks like Mercy Lewis has shown up several times in this guest book, I thought we were out of the dark ages. Let the cops do their job.



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4/9/2009
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Bro. and Sister Lawless. I am holding you up in my prayers. Be of good courage in the Lord. I remember you fine folks from some of our bible conferences years ago. May the Lord sustain you thru all this by His Grace. This could be happening to any of our churches.Just a sign of the times in which we live. Mike McCartney Roseville, Calif.



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I pray for Sandra's family and friends. Especially her friends that she played with at school and at home. I pray that God helps them heal and helps them be able to sleep at night. This is a horrible tragedy, that is no one's falt but the one who took her life. The person that took that beautiful happy child and just threw her away. God Bless, Sandra, I know you are happy now with God and the angles and that your killer will be brought to justice. I am so sorry that all these horrible things are being said on this web-site, we do not know who killed Sandra, but placing blame without proof isn't going to help anyone.



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4/10/2009
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With regard to those who make a big deal of the Pastor's wife remarking how horrible it is that this little girl was abused, when there was no revelations of her being abused.... Thats silly. Its not a slip of secret information. Its a rational assumption that a little girl who was kidnapped and found stuffed in a suitcase was abused between point A and B



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4/10/2009
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***"I wish this upon his children/grand children"*** God be with you! This is the most reprehensible statement I have ever heard! God will deal with you on his own terms, but I would pray very hard. There is no proof that the pastor or his wife had anything to do with this! But a comment like this makes you no better than the monster that did do this. Why would you ever wish this sort of tragedy on any sweet innocent child. This man's grandchildren are babies just as Sandra was! I am praying for your soul, anger makes people unreasonable, but this is past that. NO child should ever die this way... PERIOD!!! Not even a killer child, so if the killer has children we should pray for them, not wish them harm, they will suffer enough once this monster is caught. I am learning from this website all of the issues we have as humans, there is judgements with no basis, but to see the above statement of wishing harm of the pastors family is a sad, sad, sight. Please ask God into your heart, he can heal what is turning you into such a cold person!



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4/10/2009
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If the hands of time were hands that I could hold, I'd keep them warm and in my hands, They'd not turn cold! Hand in hand we choose the moments that should last, The lovely moments that should have no future and no past! The summer from the top of a swing, The comfort and the sound of a lullaby, The innocence of leaves in the spring, But most of the moment when love first toched me! All the happy days would never learn to fly, Until the hands of time would choose to wave good-bye! The innocence of leaves in the spring, But most of the moment when love first touched me! All the happy days would never learn to fly, Until the hands of time would choose to wave good-bye!



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4/10/2009
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IS THIS IS THE WAY PASTOR LAWLESS BAPTIZES A CHILD?

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4/10/2009
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Jonestown, Jim Jones and the People's Temple..... Tracy,Ca, Pastor Lawless, Clover Road Baptist Church



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4/10/2009
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REDICULOUIS COMMENTS! THIS CHILDS DEATH IS NOT A JOKE!



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4/10/2009
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it certainly is not a joke, unbelievable. Does anyone know if there is still a press conference that is going to take place? RIP Sandra



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4/10/2009
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4/10/2009
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Pleople.. please read into this family.. The suitcase came from them. the grandaughter living with him is a felon and the story is just not right.... Look into it before you pity them.



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4/10/2009
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this is a f***ing crazy church!!!!!



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4/10/2009
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4:52:33 PM
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Why are you Pathetic people trying to protect the GUILTY, the pastor. The law would not question him, his church or his home, for no reason.....He is hiding something! He may not be the killer, but he sure has something to do with it, because there are way too many things pointing his way for him to be innocent. I just wish that the killer would get caught soon, because I live in this community and have a small child and I dont want this killer to be free to commit this kind of act again. Please everyone let's pray that this monster gets caught soon. God please bless the Cantu family and Sandra may you Rest In Peace!

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4/10/2009
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5:04:01 PM
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i am sure the police know about this website... could the person responsible for the Cantu's family tragedy be reading post???? i just read this on cbs..one of the networks... << >> A Sunday school teacher said someone took her black rolling suitcase from the Orchard Estates Mobile Home Park on the day 8-year-old murder victim Sandra Cantu disappeared. It’s a huge suitcase, 28-year-old Melissa Huckaby said in a phone interview today, waterproof, charcoal-trimmed and has an Eddie Bauer logo on the front. Police have yet to confirm whether it’s the same one found Monday morning that contained Sandra’s dead body.



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4/10/2009
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Is it just me or is the Tracy Police Department lacking in basic investigative skills?



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4/10/2009
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MELISSA DO THE RIGHT THING!!!



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4/10/2009
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Sounds like (Melissa) grand daughter is trying desperately to cover her tracks now. Pressures mounting



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4/10/2009
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There will be an arrest within 24 hrs.



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4/10/2009
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There will be an arrest within 24 hrs.



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4/10/2009
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11:06:22 PM
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4/11/2009
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The Truth is now known. "Of all the great frauds in Human history the fraudulent church which lures the weak for its own base pleasure and appearance of piety is the darkest and most evil."--Pain, Terra Immortalis, Codex xl. <a href="http://thedisbrimstone-dailypitchfork.blogspot.com/">thedisbrimstone-dailypitchfork.blogspot.com</a>



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4/11/2009
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Well, we know some of the truth now. The bastard pastor might not have been the killer but his granddaughter was. Did he assist Melissa in the murder? I don't know. Was the bastard pastor's wife involved? I don't know. But I do know that this church is full of evil.



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4/11/2009
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So many "christians", too few lions



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4/11/2009
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4/11/2009
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To Pastor and Wife - Your hearts must be broken right now and you must be fearing for your granddaughter. Thankfully you have your faith to ease some of this turmoil but it's going to be very difficult for you for a very long time. I am so very sorry. To Melissa: we're to love our enemies which is hard sometimes but know I will be praying for you. To all the hateful posters: the hate you're breeding is just going to add to the evil in this world. Please don't feed it



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4/11/2009
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Melissa Huckaby: cat-gut common white trailer park trash



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4/11/2009
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Alright, now the pastor is not a suspect...but I suppose it's his fault his relative is under arrest. I have three teenagers and I'm starting to realize just how helpless you really are in the decisions that they make. Not that mine are absolutely terrible kids, but you begin to see as they grow toward adulthood, that they are individuals with free wills. It's not fair to blame a parent or grandparent for what their children and grandchildren do. Also, how many kidnappings, molestations and murders occur outside the church? ALOT more than inside. Besides, they lived in the same trailer park...that's evidently where the abduction took place, not in the church. And for those of you who are calling the accused killer trailer park trash, the slain child also lived in a the same trailer park. Was she trash? If you're going to post, at least read it before you push the 'submit comments' button. I've heard LOTS of 'trailer park trash' speak much more eloquently than you.



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4/11/2009
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If this woman was teaching sunday school with a record it was because the pastor wanted them too. At our church no one with a record is ever allowed to do anything in the church except sit or possibly hand out tracks. You have again given the Baptist church a smear and as the Bible says God will not be mocked. This woman is a monster to kill a child. Have mercy on her soul and Pastor you need to step down now and pray for healing of your church.



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4/11/2009
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how ironic the pastor name is Lawless



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4/11/2009
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TO LANE LAWLESS: BEFORE YOU PREACH TO A CONGREGATION, PLEASE MAKE SURE YOUR OWN HOUSE IS IN ORDER. YOUR ATTENTION AND FOCUS SHOULD BE ON YOUR GRANDDAUGHTER, MELISSA NOW, AS IT SHOULD HAVE BEEN. SHE WAS ON PROBATION FOR THEFT, YET TAUGHT SUNDAY SCHOOL? TAUGHT SUNDAY SCHOOL? SHE SHOULD HAVE BEEN IN SUNDAY SCHOOL LEARNING AND PRACTICING PRINCIPLES TAUGHT TO HER. AN 8 YR OLD CHILD IS DEAD. IT IS TIME FOR YOU TO SET AN EXAMPLE AND STEP OFF THE PULPIT AND EXAMINE WHAT PART YOU PLAYED AND WHAT RESPONSIBILITY YOU NEED TO ASSUME BEFORE PREACHING TO ANYONE.



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4/11/2009
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Hopefully your not all Christians who are writing on this site for you don't act like one. This is a problem with christianity today. We as believers act like the world. We are judgmental without information and most of our comments have no biblical soundness. WAIT ON THE LORD! We jump ahead and become judge, jury, and executioner. God will reveal it all in His time. Whoever committed this crime the Bible says, "Be sure your sins will find you out." EVEN THOSE WRITING ON THIS SITE. "If you break one law you broken them all."



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4/11/2009
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is is possible that the granddaughter is taking the rap for her grandfather because he is of age?



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4/11/2009
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 Church Guestbook Posts - Pastor Lane Lawless
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4/11/2009
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update the trail of blood page on this website to show Melissa Huckaby's murderous trail - from the trailer park to the church to the pond where a good christian like her dumped the body. Rot in hell Melissa. http://www.biblepreaching.com/chart.html



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4/11/2009
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May The LORD God Almighty Jesus Christ be sought in sincerity and truth during these last days. Sincerely in The LORD and ONLY Savior Jesus Christ, Stephen and Bonita Ann Richie Living Hope In Jesus www.livinghopeinjesus.com



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4/11/2009
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This whole thing, being in "grace" and the arrogance of their brand of religion is the One yrue way is just what thw Who said it was back in the 60s "an Eminence Front, it's a put on." "Elder" Lawless wanted her to teach Sunday school even though Melissa was a convicted klepto that's his business but now he has to bear some measure of responsibility for covering up his granddaughter's sins so that he can appear, wait for it, to "be in Grace." What a load of BS! Fred Schwartz thedisbrimstone-dailypitchfork.blogspot.com



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4/11/2009
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Lets keep in mind this is a nightmare for all families involved. Sandra's family will forever be without her angelic smile and the Lawless family will forever be without their granddaugher, and another child will live a lifetime of horrible gossip over what her mother did to her little friend. Let us try to not be so cruel, have a little mercy and pray for all families involved here as well as the soul of the young lady that managed to do such a horrific thing.



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4/11/2009
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Amen to THAT!



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4/11/2009
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9:31:09 AM
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We listen to too much media. Do the Christian thing and pray. Do like King David did, he took his complaints to God!



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4/11/2009
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9:40:32 AM
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Bible tells us to becareful in judging for you are in danger of HELL'S FIRE! BE AWARE!!!!!



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4/11/2009
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God said he who takes a life will have there life taken listen to the bible and do as it says let GOD take care of the GUILTY..



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4/11/2009
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May GOD BE WITH YOUR GRAND DAUGHTED.



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4/11/2009
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I dont understand how a sunday school teacher could murder a child...........



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4/11/2009
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10:19:13 AM
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do not hire killers



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4/11/2009
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I just cannot believe that a mother would do this to a child. The one who has been arrested is a MOTHER who has herself a CHILD a girl almost Sandra's age....I have no words, I am in total shock, I never saw this coming.. all I can say is that this individual is very ill, suffering from mental illness and extremely dangerous to herself and others..how sad. God bless you Sandra, you are with God now and nothing can harm you!



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4/11/2009
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I pray for the families involved, the victims and accused. May the Lord be with them all. Dont lose your faith.



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4/11/2009
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She was on probation for theft, and everyone is freaking out that she was allowed to teach sunday school? The way everyone was talking I thought she had been in jail or prison for some violent crime! Yes a crime is a crime, but there are plenty of people out there who stole something in their youth, was punished for it, and learned from it so they could become better people. Everyone makes mistakes. BUT, if she did it, I am not defending this woman's character, and I would not be at all saddened if someone abused HER and stuffed HER into a suitcase! I am just saying that having a theft conviction does not make one more prone to murder a child. It just makes one more suspect that a person with no record. My thoughts are with Sandra's family and I hope justice finds the killer,one way or another. <Mystique>



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4/11/2009
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Like I said my old church still lets a sex offender attend. So this doesn't surprise me. I hope she gets the death penalty. I think the pastor needs to resign



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4/11/2009
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To Pastor and Mrs. Lawless: Prayers and peace be with you. May He give you the peace that surpasses all understanding that His word promises us. To the poster that spoke of loving our enemies.. thank you for bringing the love of Jesus into this. I too will pray for her. Thank you Lord for being with the Cantu family during this difficult trial. May the Lord direct your ways and your path. May His loving arms surround you with a love only He can give.



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4/11/2009
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Dear Pastor, your grandaughter Melissa deserves no compassion, and may justice be made for the murder of little Sandra Cantu. May God comfort the Chavez-Cantu family and your family too for having a sick murderer in your family. PS: Your grandaughther will burn in hell.



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4/11/2009
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I really cant say how this will turn out in the end, but I can say that Sandra (2009) did not deserve to die. Any of Gods children does not deserve to die in a violent way. I noticed that some people do suffer from guilt and may speak to much and eventually get themselves arrested. I do not know if the young lady that was arrested is responsible, but as a current investigator student, investigators must go by evidence even if there is a small amount of probable cause. I do pray that the real child killer will get caught due to if this young lady is innocent; there is still a child killer out there. Pastor. Lawless I hope that your family can overcome this tragic event. Sandra family will have to hold this pain forever. Sandra I did not know you but you are my sister in Christ, and I am soooo sorry that your life was took before your time. I know you are an Angel in the Lords arm's. Tell God I love him and I love you. **TM-Hayward, CA.



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4/11/2009
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May God be with you during this difficult time.



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4/11/2009
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I pray that God keep the church and church family safe from harm during this difficult time.



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4/11/2009
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Don't think the cops are done with this....



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4/11/2009
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Don't think the cops are done with this....



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4/11/2009
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1:07:31 PM
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May your Grand daughter rot in hell..



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4/11/2009
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Church Webmaster: If you're there, I would shut this part of the website down. It looks as if all of us out her in browser-land are beginning to act as if we've got pitchforks in our hands as we make our rush to judgment. I doubt that most of us actually know anything other than what we're getting from the media. I know that I don't know the families involved; I don't even live in California--though I've heard that it's sometimes called La-La Land. What's that commercial? Happy cows come from California! Except after I saw that commercial, I began seeing footage of California farm workers pushing mad cows around with forklifts, so I'm not so sure that commercial's true. I suppose it's difficult to believe in the principle, "innocent until proven guilty" in times like these, but it is a very American principle. I think instead of acting like the nut-jobs who hang someone first and then find out later that they made a mistake, it might be nice if we actually keep our silence first. Okay. I know that's unfair. But why all the pitchforks and the burn in hell comments? Talk about a rush to judgment! That said, I've read through the materials in the website and I do think that your church could do a better job of communicating to your intended audience(s). If you want to attract people to your church, your first order of business should be not to go around insulting people. For example, by painting the Catholics with such a broad brush, you do little to actually attract some searching people to your church. Why would someone who was raised Catholic and may be beginning to look for another church home choose to go to your church, when so much of what you've written is about what's wrong with Catholicism. Even if a Catholic is questioning his/her own doctrine, you can bet that they have strong affiliations to their background. You need to learn the art of rhetoric--not in the sense of "nothing but rhetoric" but in the sense of Aristotle and his definition of using the all the means at hand to effectively communicate. As for the posters to this page, many of you also lack communication skills. You sound more like a bunch of barbarians in your rush to judgment than thinking people who actually believe in America and the rule of law. I refuse to join the fray on whether the grandfather had a role to play. My sense is that a lot more freaky things are going on in the general public than in most churches--Catholic or Protestant. Sometimes these things do show up in churches since churches are meeting grounds for imperfect people. I've actually seldom heard of a church that claims perfection for itself, although I'm sure there are some. Most churches say the opposite--that we're all sinners and need Christ. That's called humility. I think that what I've observed is that there's a lot more judgment going on in the wider world, where people are not motivated to live for something/someone above themselves but instead are gods unto themselves. Have you ever run into anyone with a god complex? It's a terrible thing. I think we all have a little bit of that in us, but if you meet someone who truly thinks they need no else, get out of the way as fast as you can. Not only are you dealing with an ego but also someone who wants every choice they make to be without consequences. I think that those who have asked us to not rush to judgment and not to be judgmental are actually quite wise. I hope that there voices will win the day in this space that has temporarily been taken over by a largely unthinking, uncritical mob who, in their hearts, must not really believe that we're innocent until proven guilty. That said, I can't help thinking that the grand daughter is guilty. I simply have to tell myself that this is not the time to declare it so. Whoever is guilty will face justice eventually.



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4/11/2009
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1:51:17 PM
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11 April 09 Please know that my prayers are with Pastor Lawless and his family and with the church during this trying time. May the Lord bless & keep you. 1Pe 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: Dan (from an independent Baptist Church in Canada) www.urbancommunity.com



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4/11/2009
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1:52:00 PM
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11 April 09 Please know that my prayers are with Pastor Lawless and his family and with the church during this trying time. May the Lord bless & keep you. 1Pe 1:7 That the trial of your faith, being much more precious than of gold that perisheth, though it be tried with fire, might be found unto praise and honour and glory at the appearing of Jesus Christ: Dan (from an independent Baptist Church in Canada) www.urbancommunity.com



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4/11/2009
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2:19:57 PM
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There are many in this forum / guest book thare automatically assuming that Pastor Lawless is guilty of something. Is ignoring scripture the sign of a Christian - NO! Matt 7:1 says Judge Not as does Luk 6:37 Judge not, and ye shall not be judged: condemn not, and ye shall not be condemned: forgive, and ye shall be forgiven: Others have stated that Pastor Lawless is a coward - but not one of those have had the courage to identify themselves. That makes it pretty clear who the cowards are. I don't know the full story and neither do most of you - so don't jump to unsupported conclusions. If you are a true Christian you should be praying for ALL those involved - if you are not please remember that God forgives and that every one of you is just as guilty in God's eyes as the perpetrator of this - but know that God is willing and able to forgive you through Faith in His Son Christ Jesus and His sacrafice for us on the cross at Calvary. All you have to do is believe on Him, confess to Him (not to anyone else) that you are a sinner and ask Him to save you from your sins. That is all! There is nothing else to do - Christ did it for us by His death and ressurrection and that is the only way to God. I am a sinner, no better or worse in God's sight than anyone else who has ever lived - but I AM SAVED BY GRACE through our Lord Jesus Christ. And I am willing to let God judge. So to those who place comments here - examine yourself first and let God and the authorities do the rest. Dan, Vancouver BC Canada



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4/11/2009
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2:52:20 PM
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Some of the comments left by so-called "Christians" are simply nauseating. Implying that Sandra Cantu died as "punishment" because of the state of America or claiming that killing a child is no worse than any other action because of "sin." Yeah, maybe that's true in Psychopath Land, but in the real world, normal people recognize that killing a child is a million times worse than, say, telling a little white lie. Anyone who engages in moral relativism like that is a sociopath, and then I wonder what exactly they're capable of.



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4/11/2009
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Church Guestbook Posts - Pastor Lane Lawless
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4/11/2009
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3:16:28 PM
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There is so many sick people in the US. So many children kidnapped and molested, and also killed (or never to be found again) Is it thrue that a child goes missing every 20 sec in the US? Crazy...we do not have this problem here, I live in Norway. Its very rare in my country. So, they arrested a woman for killing Sandra... I hope they got the right person. We can not let anyone (mental ill or not) get away with murdering children. An eye for an eye, thats what I say. I will pray for the family that lost their little angle. Rip little one.



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4/11/2009
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3:24:38 PM
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My brain can not understand why...why take this little girls life ...my heart can not understand how... how anyone can kill a child... The one who killed Sandra must be put away and we will have to throw away the key. For ever.



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4/11/2009
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4:00:01 PM
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Christianity would be great it if weren't for Christians- Gandi. The same can be said about his religion too. Comes down, for each person, to the relationship between "You and God, and you and God's people." May God help us all.



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4/11/2009
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4/11/2009
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4:10:58 PM
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4/11/2009
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4:39:22 PM
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funny. a chick did it? grandkid of the pastor? what kind of inbred bowhick shit goes on out in that cesspool of a town? you folks are all really fuckin creepy.



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4/11/2009
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4:40:41 PM
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I amazed that this website is still up. I think the "good Pastor" was aware of the crime. No doubt the investigators are looking in to that. Glad that they caught the perp, but she made it easy by being a dimwit. She deserves to burn in Hell (if there is such a place - how could a true "god" allow such evil to happen?)



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4/11/2009
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4:55:12 PM
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Don't blame granddad for what Melissa did. Clearly she had some issues, demonstrated by her past record. Anyone who knew this pastor and has been interviewed has had only excellent things to say about his character. The fact that he is not closing this website may well be a sign of his personal faith in his god and let the cards fall where they fall. He seems to have brought Melissa into his home in order to help her out since she was clearly having issues. She appears to be extremely deceptive in many ways and I have no problem accepting that she also deceived both the pastor and his wife, who seem to me to be well-intentioned persons who have probably been devastated by the results as anyone else. I'm not religious, but I doubt very much that grandpa and grandma had anything to do with the tragedy and I also fear that this pastor is leaving this site up primarily because he does have a deep faith in his god and is willing to accept whatever, and has no intention of running away from what his god plans for him. To me, that is a real sign of deep faith, even though I cannot imagine how any person can have faith like that. I bow to this pastor for his seeming strength of faith in what he stands for.



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4/11/2009
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5:07:50 PM
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If every one of you human beings here, who were gifted with a brain and a pair of eyes, would use them instead of babbling on about praying and 2,000 year-old NONSENSE, maybe our children would be afforded REAL protection rather than your make-believe invisible world crap. Grow the hell up humanity. THIS is the world you LIVE in - not the imaginary one you pretend exists because your lives are so meaningless. Sandra Cantu was loved by her parents and lived a wonderful happy life - that's the important thing. What's left for us to deal with is the aftermath of some sick twisted hag who will not burn in hell because there isn't one, but who will punished by our legal system in the way that we demand.



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4/11/2009
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5:11:08 PM
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Pastor please save taxpayer money and give up, we ALL know how churches are nowadays...



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4/11/2009
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5:12:04 PM
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So...the apparent murderer was raised a "Christian"...in a "Christian" family. Why is it that most of our murderers, rapists, serial killers, and child molestors are always "Christians"? Jesus Christ must be rolling over in his grave at what "Christians" have done to his teachings...nothing but a bunch of extremist right-wing wackos now. It's now clearly obvious that Rush Limbaugh, Sean Hannity, Pat Robertson, and James Dobson are the dark agents of the DEVIL.



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4/11/2009
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5:20:39 PM
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Wow. Judging from the amount of guilt-by-association vitriol being directed towards this pastor--who apparently had no knowledge of the crime--I think we can safely pronounce Puritanism alive and well in the postmodern world.



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4/11/2009
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5:26:45 PM
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Please shut this part of the website down. I can't believe so many people are so quick to judge and condemn when they themselves don't have all the facts. This is WHY I left the church all together. Hypocrites who want to run around screaming "burn in hell" when you don't have the right to judge others. My condolences to all involved.



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4/11/2009
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5:31:58 PM
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What good would come from shutting this site down? Freedom of expression, no matter how much you hate what is being expressed, is freedom, period. You have no right to demand that this be closed simply because you don't like what you hear. Freedom of expression is just that, unless suppressed by people who don't like what they hear.



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4/11/2009
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5:40:40 PM
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And on that note.... Rise up against the Obama Regime



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4/11/2009
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5:41:47 PM
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So many Christians so quick to judge and condemn...very sad. This is a horrible situation, but all the facts have not been revealed. What if Huckaby isn't a "monster," but just someone who isn't very smart? What if the little girl died by accident, what if she fell and hit her head? What if the big crime is that Huckaby is someone who exercised extremely poor judgement? She doesn't look very smart, possibly inbred to the point of slight retardation. Florida trailer parks and the Baptist Church don't turn out many deep thinkers. I might be wrong, maybe she is the monster people are making her out to be. Maybe she murdered her in cold blood...But I've found that often the world is not as black and white as some people try to believe. Bad people do good things and good people do bad things.



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4/11/2009
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5:49:19 PM
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My prayers and heart go out to the Cantu family. May God be with you. Rest in peace little angel.



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4/11/2009
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5:57:31 PM
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The apple doesn't fall very far from the tree, Where did your granddaughter learn such horrific things? I am quite sure all the skeletons in her familys closet will be in hardback published by bantum books within years end 2010. You better get an attorney now because a wrongfull death lawsuit is heading your way thanks to that demon seed of yours.



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4/11/2009
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6:01:13 PM
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Actually, very sad there are so many christians who want to give this nutjob family the benefit of the doubt. If it was the other way around, you same fools would be screaming for someone's head, now! You apologists are all gross. My heart goes out only to Sandra's family. What a tragedy.



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4/11/2009
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6:13:15 PM
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4/11/2009
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It was nice of you to try to give your criminal grand-daughter a job but not a wise idea. I guess you thought if you kept her with the children, nobody would realize how sick she is. You should know better than to put someone with a criminal record in charge of kids.



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4/11/2009
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4/11/2009
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As an atheist urbanite, I'm fascinated by this glimpse into the Central Valley of my state - which is, apparently, a place where kind-hearted New Testament-focused folks share pews with vengeance-seeking Old Testament-focused hate-mongers. And where both find comfort and justification in their self-defined Good Book - which, of course, is a rich enough piece of literature to justify everything from "an eye for an eye" to "turn the other cheek."



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4/11/2009
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May God be with the family of Sandra Cantu. My heart breaks for you. God will take care of the rest. She is in heaven playing with all the other children no more pain. I also pray for the Lawless faimly. The ones that were evil and committed this horrible crime will be punished by God. That is all that matters.



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4/11/2009
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"Judge not lest ye be judged." God will judge those who require judgement. I PRAY for all involved in this atrocious situation. Little Sandra's family especially. I also pray for the Lawless family. God does not ALLOW this to happen to children...anyone. He has allowed free will to mankind. Men and women CHOOSE to act in this horrific manner. God is protecting Sandra now.



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4/11/2009
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I am not sure where the webmaster is, and why this site has not been taken down, but let me respond on behalf of this church in Tracy. My name is Chad Whiteley, and I am the pastor of another Missionary Baptist Church in California. We are still unclear what happened during this case, and the police have not given any clear indication of what exactly occurred. The Sunday school teacher has no history of violence, but likely should not have been teaching this class considering her recent criminal activity. However, Pastor Lawless had nothing to do with this death and would have had no idea that Huckaby would have done this. This was a surprise to everyone, including the Cantu family. If Huckaby maliciously murdered Cantu, then Huckaby should receive the death penalty. The scriptures are clear on this. The scriptures are also clear that a murderer does not have eternal life. There is forgiveness at the foot of the cross for all murderers, but they must come by way of the cross to obtain it. Christians, be in prayer for the church in Tracy. Atheists, please treat your neighbors with kindness. My heart is crushed for the Cantu family, and we must keep them in prayer. My heart is also crushed for the church. Most of all, my heart is crushed because this damages the testimony of the Lord. I am just praying that people will look beyond these actions and still see Jesus. Remember that Sandra's spirit rests in the arms of Jesus tonight, and she is witnessing what we wait to witness - the face of our glorious savior.



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4/11/2009
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I think it's time to shut the website down for awhile. Let everybody cool off. The comments here are coming from the "lynch mob" mentality. Very few comments here seem to be based on logic. Even the "Christians" here are posting hateful comments. When emotion becomes so strong, it is hard to have any clarity on the situation. This website will exceed its bandwidth shortly anyway...



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4/11/2009
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I do not understand why this woman would do such a thing and I am curious as to how they centered their investigation on her. I would have thought it would have been a man. For this Pastor and the rest of his family, I am sorry for what you are now going through, but for Sandra's family I pray justice is done for this beautiful little girl!



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4/11/2009
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Someone in the pastors family killed Sandra. Most likely his piece of garbage grandaughter. If anyone has ever questioned if satan was real well he is look at the lady that killed Sandra. This pastor has a lot of nerve letting garbage teach Sunday School. I bet her child was born out of wed and has no father. Poor Sandra that is the only person we should be feeling sorry for.