Caylee Marie Anthony #139 6/21/09 - 6/24/09

[no rose colored glasses]

As a general observation, I just want to throw out there, that regardless of how this happened, her "attempt" at covering it up, and dumping her child leaves her without any options. I spent a few hours yesterday mapping out a 3D interactive on the crime scene and within the first few minutes, I can tell you a jury will convict her on the dumpsite, and what happened to this baby when she was dumped there, alone. I know it is really hard to visualize, but the visual impact of bone dispursement,decomposition and especially the level of animal activity and the timing of same will leave them lighting torches and heading up the mountain, and seriously peeved at Baez antics. I apologize for repeating myself, but he and her parents are sealing this girls death warrant; which I am fine with. Couldn't happen to a nicer girl.  

What are your thoughts on what the defense is going to do about the fraud charges, I can't imagine they will agree to a trial within 60 days, will be interesting to see how this plays out.

The only thing that i can think of, is that they MAY want to try it seperately in anticipation of the Scamthony Strategy. Putting them on record in the economic case, if "in concerto" or "in commission" potentially may lock them into testifying at both. My stregnth is not in ecomomic crimes prosecution or knowledge base, though.
B

Thanks, I was even entertaining the thought of her saying guilty to this, and no I haven't been drinking 

[mstam656]

Thanks, I'm sorry I am a very pessimistic person, and I have to say I have been shattered on the endings or lack of endings on trials I have watched. It scares me, what a jury might buy.

I must be pessimistic too especially when I see all those bought and paid for expert witness ghouls climbing on board. The prosecution has their work cut out for them deflecting all their lying expert testimony!!

There is every reason to be concerned about this in this prosecution, however, in the end, I do believe the State will succeed.

I share you pessimism too. Just look what happened on Sunday with a discussion of the autopsy reports. More smoke and mirrors might come. But we have a two year old victim here, and a very unlikeable mother. I am still gonna pull for Caylee. I have expressed my distain for MOST lawyer. I still have to put my faith in the SA. If not, we should just all log out and forget about it. Don't think I haven't lain awake at night sometimes....I have. At those times, I just pray a lot.

If Casey ever got out of jail, her life would be worthless. Enough said.
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don't forget slore's unlikable lawyers..that will come into play, too

[joesamas mama]

I have asked this question many times, could she have duct taped the mouth and nose and thrown her in the pool without floaties? I have always thought she would just toss her in the pool and watch her drown.

NRCG and I both think KC is like Rhoda in the movie The Bad Seed. That little girl Rhoda didn't win a medal so she pushed the kid in the water and watched him drown, then skipped away.

JMO JSM

But Caylee would have still been murdered with the duct tape. If her nose and mouth were covered, she would have sufficated, not drowned. What would be the point of throwing her in the pool?

I don't know Fanny, just a thought. KC is evil and wanted to make sure she was good and dead? 

Just to be more vicious, is that what your are saying JSM. If something like that happened, duct tape and thrown in pool, you really couldn't get to much more vicious.  Always 1 has me really rethinking things, because of that darn backyard. Is it possible for someone to direct me to the info about the indentation by the pool area? And remember there was some nonsense talk going on also about a plant, I really need to refresh my memory on this.

Yep No Rose, just to be more vicious and too keep her from being heard screaming for help in the pool.

[Fanny Mae]

Morning monkeys.  I am still having trouble with stray popups and not being able to quote - anyone else?

Yes, A1, I am having trouble quoting... my screen keeps bouncing all over when I try to type.  It's frustrating me all to he77!!    Does anyone know why it would do this? 

Do you have Explorer 8?

[Blumonkey]

Thanks Blink, very interesting. Wonder why the shorts were in good condition and the shirt, there was really nothing left to speak off? Do you think she went back and threw the shorts there?

Yes, Blink, very interesting. Your posts are most informative. I do have a question, however. Were any of the medical and critical care professionals who weighed in about the O sign pediatric professionals ? It makes all the difference in the world as a three year old's anatomy is not totally comparable to an adult's. 

[Fanny Mae]

As a general observation, I just want to throw out there, that regardless of how this happened, her "attempt" at covering it up, and dumping her child leaves her without any options. I spent a few hours yesterday mapping out a 3D interactive on the crime scene and within the first few minutes, I can tell you a jury will convict her on the dumpsite, and what happened to this baby when she was dumped there, alone. I know it is really hard to visualize, but the visual impact of bone dispursement,decomposition and especially the level of animal activity and the timing of same will leave them lighting torches and heading up the mountain, and seriously peeved at Baez antics. I apologize for repeating myself, but he and her parents are sealing this girls death warrant; which I am fine with. Couldn't happen to a nicer girl.  

What are your thoughts on what the defense is going to do about the fraud charges, I can't imagine they will agree to a trial within 60 days, will be interesting to see how this plays out.

The only thing that i can think of, is that they MAY want to try it seperately in anticipation of the Scamthony Strategy. Putting them on record in the economic case, if "in concerto" or "in commission" potentially may lock them into testifying at both. My stregnth is not in ecomomic crimes prosecution or knowledge base, though.
B

Thanks, I was even entertaining the thought of her saying guilty to this, and no I haven't been drinking 

 
NoRose, are you being mean to me?? 

[N2WISHN]

IMO George knew when he went to her trunk on June 24th.How else can the smell in the trunk be explained?Does decomp smell get worse as time goes by?Is it possible for 2.6 days of decomp(going with Caylee dying late night 6/15)not to smell as strong 6-7 days(6/24) in a trunk as it would a whole month later?

Reposting this cause the way the quote stack came out bugs me lol....and hopefully someone will respond.   

My guess is a big yes and I'll tell you why. Now I'm not comparing decomp to milk because its my belief decomp is many times worse than spoiled milk. But anyway, here's the true story. I noticed when I would enter my young son's room there was a faint odor of something very foul smelling. I looked around pretty well for anything that could be the source going so far as to get down on my hands and knees and smell the rug in case he had tracked something in. Nothing. As the days passed, the smell increased and when I would walk by the open door I would get a huge whif. I look again, still couldn't find it. Finallly shut the door and the smell started coming out of the room even with the door shut. Well, I got my oldest son to help me completely search the room and low and behold, in the closet behind the closed doors and up on the shelf was a plastic tupperware glass with about 2" of milk in it. I put the glass in a plastic bag and carried it outside to the trash. I never would have believed milk could put out such a disgusting odor. I'm betting decomp would be much stronger and smell many times worse.

[califmom]

Thanks Miki, I was just speculating on what day Caylee was at the club. I didn't know it was on the 13th. My bad.  TIA JSM

Aw...JSM wasn't saying nothing, I had just read about it a bit earlier...I'm always getting it wrong so I am right there with you doing my best to make sense of it all 

Thanks Miki, I was just thinking she may have thrown the baby in the trunk instead of taking her home straight away on the 14th. My mind was trying to think like Crazy. I'm not sure the distance from Fusion to the Ants, so what I was thinking she didn't want to drive all the way home, give a story as to why she can't keep Caylee, get in a fight with Cindy and then go back to the club.

But I guess when a 20 something wants to party and has raging hormones, they will drive any distance and make up any lie to get back to the party.  Being the old person that I am, I drive in a circle and if it is out of my circle during the week, I wait until the weekend. Hope it makes sense, I am very tired tonight. JSM

Do you think it's possible that Caylee innocently said something to CA about being in the trunk?  Maybe that's what the fight was about which could have pushed CA over the edge and choke KC... then out of anger & rage either at home or elsewhere, KC choked Caylee and well, sadly we know the rest.

Sadly, yes I think that is very possible, Caylee told Cindy that on the trip to Mt Dora or back and that is why Cindy blew up at KC.

Well, it just makes me so sad to think of Caylee innocently telling CA that  "Mommy let me sleep in the trunk" or something like that...  Caylee could talk pretty well and was probably a great storyteller (my 3 yr.old can tell some adorable stories, let me tell you).  You can tell just by watching her read her book on the Fathers's Day video, so you can totally picture her telling something like that to CA.   

I can't finish typing what I want to type because this is my screen is bouncing all over the place.  arrrgghhhhhhhh!!!!

[Blink34]

Karma wrote:

IMO George knew when he went to her trunk on June 24th.How else can the smell in the trunk be explained?Does decomp smell get worse as time goes by?Is it possible for 2.6 days of decomp(going with Caylee dying late night 6/15)not to smell as strong 6-7 days(6/24) in a trunk as it would a whole month later?

Fanny wrote:

I can assure you that the smell only gets worse as time goes by. I would be willing to bet that the smell is just as bad or worse right now in that car. I hope that the jury will be able to go to the car and get a big sniffer full. It will not go away, even next summer.

So do you think the smell could have been a little strong on 6/24 after decomp sitting in the closed trunk in the hot Florida sun for 6-7 days?

FWIW, I dont believe George ever saw her on the 24th. I think he made it up because they figured out she dumped Caylee the 23rd or 24th and so he wanted to show that he saw her, there was no Casey in the yard, house, no decomp smell that day. He was there with her at her visit. How the flaznock does he show up at the towyard on 7/15 saying his daughter has been missing for a month or 6 weeks or whatever, when he saw her on the 24th?? He doesn't. He did not see them on 6/16 or 6/24.  

[Leroy]

I think it will make a big difference also, if there is no prints of Casey on that tape, and the prosecutors drive home to the jury that she was wearing gloves, there is a very good chance to show this was premeditated. Because why else in Florida would you have gloves available? I guess what I'm trying to say is if she killed Caylee in the car, she wouldn't have gloves randomly in her trunk, it doesn't snow, and I can't picture her having disposible gloves in her car. Now if she killed in a rage, how many people in a rage would think to put gloves on? I really hope there is a print, I'm thinking there has to be, for the DP to have been put back on.

I also believe this is why the DP is back on the table.

[joesamas mama]

Hi Tevye, big HUGS.

Howdy! Thanks for the hugs, much appreciated. Are things settled down up there yet? My kids will be back in AK tonite and (due to the sh!tstorm that is my life (can I copyright that? TSSTIML (c) ) I would hope that they at least will be settled down some.

And, in homage to JSM (ya, I know, she has her own blog now and is a superstar and can't talk to us lowly peons) I DESPISE the Ants!

Hiya Tevye, hugs to you and I HATE THE ANTS! Gotta go back to work just wanted to say hi!

[Fanny Mae]

As a general observation, I just want to throw out there, that regardless of how this happened, her "attempt" at covering it up, and dumping her child leaves her without any options. I spent a few hours yesterday mapping out a 3D interactive on the crime scene and within the first few minutes, I can tell you a jury will convict her on the dumpsite, and what happened to this baby when she was dumped there, alone. I know it is really hard to visualize, but the visual impact of bone dispursement,decomposition and especially the level of animal activity and the timing of same will leave them lighting torches and heading up the mountain, and seriously peeved at Baez antics. I apologize for repeating myself, but he and her parents are sealing this girls death warrant; which I am fine with. Couldn't happen to a nicer girl.  

What are your thoughts on what the defense is going to do about the fraud charges, I can't imagine they will agree to a trial within 60 days, will be interesting to see how this plays out.

The only thing that i can think of, is that they MAY want to try it seperately in anticipation of the Scamthony Strategy. Putting them on record in the economic case, if "in concerto" or "in commission" potentially may lock them into testifying at both. My stregnth is not in ecomomic crimes prosecution or knowledge base, though.
B

I truthfully always thought the SA  & FBI to go ahead and charge them for all their fraud and lying. I cannot see where they are going to contribute anything to the murder trial except to lie some more. I feel that if they put some pressure on them and there was something they could gain by telling the truth, they should do so. I can see no reason to let it go on and on.

Several of the knowledgeable monkeys can state the reasons for why they should not be brought up on charges now. But for myself, and seeing how things work, I cannot see why the authorities would still be treating them with kid gloves.

[Blink34]

Thanks Blink, very interesting. Wonder why the shorts were in good condition and the shirt, there was really nothing left to speak off? Do you think she went back and threw the shorts there?

Yes, Blink, very interesting. Your posts are most informative. I do have a question, however. Were any of the medical and critical care professionals who weighed in about the O sign pediatric professionals ? It makes all the difference in the world as a three year old's anatomy is not totally comparable to an adult's. 

Yes. and I do agree with what you said as well. One is an actual Funeral Director, they see all ages and stages so to speak. I was told the size of her skull makes it alot easier than an adult, but I think it is enhanced by the fact she only lost one tooth post mortem that was not in the maxillary  

[Fanny Mae]

I think it will make a big difference also, if there is no prints of Casey on that tape, and the prosecutors drive home to the jury that she was wearing gloves, there is a very good chance to show this was premeditated. Because why else in Florida would you have gloves available? I guess what I'm trying to say is if she killed Caylee in the car, she wouldn't have gloves randomly in her trunk, it doesn't snow, and I can't picture her having disposible gloves in her car. Now if she killed in a rage, how many people in a rage would think to put gloves on? I really hope there is a print, I'm thinking there has to be, for the DP to have been put back on.

I also believe this is why the DP is back on the table.

I also think that Skanky is not a patient enough person to take the time to use gloves over and over on duct tape. Remember, LP has always said that Skanky lives in the present 10 minutes of her life. There is sometimes nuggets of truth in LP's logic.

[Blink34]

I think it will make a big difference also, if there is no prints of Casey on that tape, and the prosecutors drive home to the jury that she was wearing gloves, there is a very good chance to show this was premeditated. Because why else in Florida would you have gloves available? I guess what I'm trying to say is if she killed Caylee in the car, she wouldn't have gloves randomly in her trunk, it doesn't snow, and I can't picture her having disposible gloves in her car. Now if she killed in a rage, how many people in a rage would think to put gloves on? I really hope there is a print, I'm thinking there has to be, for the DP to have been put back on.

I also believe this is why the DP is back on the table.

No doubt in my mind Leroy, the aggravating factor has tie to her, thats the only way. It is also when LKB said over the weekend there is NO DNA on the ductape, as if prints are a hologram of some kind. ASS. She bugs me, sorry.

[QuietMonkey]

No Rose. I feel the same way as you about the fingerprints. While I agree with the monkeys who say she'll probably/likely be convicted without them, I believe having her prints on the tape will make a huge difference. Atleast as far as I'm concerned, I'd feel a whole lot better if they had them. Unfortunately I'm worried KC knew to use gloves so as not to get her prints on the tape. My thoughts is after she killed Caylee in her rage, she snapped out of it when Caylee was dead and regrouped herself with what to do next. All just major guesses on my part, but this is what I feel happened. Hope I'm wrong about her using gloves though!! JMO's

I think it will make a big difference also, if there is no prints of Casey on that tape, and the prosecutors drive home to the jury that she was wearing gloves, there is a very good chance to show this was premeditated. Because why else in Florida would you have gloves available? I guess what I'm trying to say is if she killed Caylee in the car, she wouldn't have gloves randomly in her trunk, it doesn't snow, and I can't picture her having disposible gloves in her car. Now if she killed in a rage, how many people in a rage would think to put gloves on? I really hope there is a print, I'm thinking there has to be, for the DP to have been put back on.

That's a good point cause my feelings are she was in a rage.  I'm still not sure on where/when exactly she did it but I believe it was the night of the 15th/fight. Maybe she did go to LA's (maybe he wasn't home)? If she were in her car then I'm not sure about the duct tape and gloves or how she would have got them. Maybe she didn't have or use gloves? If that were true, I can't see her avoiding getting atleast one print on that tape? If KC didn't leave that night (do we know for a fact if she did or didn't?) she could have possibly suffocated her when they were in the bedroom. If the doors were closed she possibly could have done it an no one heard anything? If that were the case, she could possibly have had the tape and gloves easily available to her in the house. Maybe GA did see them leave, except KC was carrying Caylee out saying she was still asleep? Maybe she had the pooh blanket covering her face? OK, I'm talking/thinking too much today. I'm probably talking to myself anyone! Uggghh, sorry it's just frustration setting in.

disclaimer: I'm only posting my thought/theories/possibilities I know I/we don't have ALOT of facts that I'm sure LE has!! 

[califmom]

Fanny Mae... I am so glad everything went well with your hubby this morning...    Enjoy your daquiri!!

[QuietMonkey]

FWIW, I dont believe George ever saw her on the 24th. I think he made it up because they figured out she dumped Caylee the 23rd or 24th and so he wanted to show that he saw her, there was no Casey in the yard, house, no decomp smell that day. He was there with her at her visit. How the flaznock does he show up at the towyard on 7/15 saying his daughter has been missing for a month or 6 weeks or whatever, when he saw her on the 24th?? He doesn't. He did not see them on 6/16 or 6/24.  

That's what I think also!

[Cappuccino]

Karma wrote:

IMO George knew when he went to her trunk on June 24th.How else can the smell in the trunk be explained?Does decomp smell get worse as time goes by?Is it possible for 2.6 days of decomp(going with Caylee dying late night 6/15)not to smell as strong 6-7 days(6/24) in a trunk as it would a whole month later?

Fanny wrote:

I can assure you that the smell only gets worse as time goes by. I would be willing to bet that the smell is just as bad or worse right now in that car. I hope that the jury will be able to go to the car and get a big sniffer full. It will not go away, even next summer.

So do you think the smell could have been a little strong on 6/24 after decomp sitting in the closed trunk in the hot Florida sun for 6-7 days?

FWIW, I dont believe George ever saw her on the 24th. I think he made it up because they figured out she dumped Caylee the 23rd or 24th and so he wanted to show that he saw her, there was no Casey in the yard, house, no decomp smell that day. He was there with her at her visit. How the flaznock does he show up at the towyard on 7/15 saying his daughter has been missing for a month or 6 weeks or whatever, when he saw her on the 24th?? He doesn't. He did not see them on 6/16 or 6/24.  

I totally agree with Blink here.   Cindy called Casey about the shed being broken into (we know Casey did it because Tony drove her there & he asked her if it was okay that she was breaking the lock to get a gas can).   George knew to cover for her for the date of the 24th because he had called 911 in reference to the "stolen gas can."  Deputy Richard Cain responded to that call.   Same goes for the 16th, George knew after Casey gave them the 9th instead of the 15th to cover for Casey by stating he saw her and Caylee during that day, not to mention covering for the fight Casey & Cindy had the night before.   

  monkeys, Im getting a late start today.

[Fanny Mae]

Fanny Mae... I am so glad everything went well with your hubby this morning...    Enjoy your daquiri!!

Thanks! Me too.