Caylee Marie Anthony #139 6/21/09 - 6/24/09

[trimmonthelake]

Steve Martin "King Tut"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP7AJiQM2RI

LMAO     

[joesamas mama]

http://www.craniofacial.net/sf/sagittal_synostosis.htm

Affects of Sagittal Synostosis

Sagittal synostosis, also known as sagittal craniosynostosis, is the result of the sagittal suture of on infant's skull hardening before the brain has had a chance to grow. The result is a skull that is elongated so that from the top, it appears oblong in shape. Sagittal synostosis is the most common of all synostosis. It affects between 45 and 55 percent of all children with the deformity. If children born with sagittal craniosynostosis do not have other closed sutures or medical conditions, the condition is typically not fatal. Sagittal synostosis is, however, associated with the following health problems:

    * Sagittal synostosis can increase the blood pressure in the brain.
    * There may be decreased blood flow to certain areas of the brain with sagittal craniosynostosis.
    * Children with sagittal craniosynostosis often have emotional and social difficulties primarily due to reactions to their deformities. Note DUE to their abnormality.
    * There is speculation that sagittal synostosis left untreated could lead to learning disabilities. This has never been proved or disproved.

Please see my above response in red.

From what I just read, KC would have an elongated head. So her head if she had this problem would look like King Tut. KC has a very small head. I don't think KC has this abnormality. JMSO JSM

Well, we have called her "Horseface!"
 I do think she is an EVIL sociopath but I am just trying to think outside the box and wondered if she had a mild form of the defect. JMO

She is horsefaced, nothing wrong with it, since I have a slight horseface. I don't think she has any brain defect. JMO JSM

[Blink34]

No drama queen here. I am just giving my opinion for what it is worth. 

Fanny I thought it was clear in my post, I was in no way referring to you. Actually I was defending an intelligent discussion of the topic, which is appropriate. Someone saying they have to run to detectives and potentially tesify, and not the first time, is not, imo. If you thought otherwise, please accept my apology, your a poster I deeply respect the contribution of.
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[mamacrazy30]

No drama queen here. I am just giving my opinion for what it is worth. 

[joesamas mama]

like her skull was putting pressure on her brain and that was making her crazy?  if so, then why just crazy like a fox?

I am only saying it could be used as another excuse.

Capp, I know we are talking about things here that are suppositions, but isn't that what we are here for? To take all the facts and weigh them. I don't think we are going to give Bozo any ideas that he hasn't thought of before. I don't know any more about this than what I have read. This info has been "out there" for quite a while with the defense. Whether or not this is what ANJ is talking about, I don't know. It was just something I have been thinking about since reading the autopsy release about five times. JMO

Absolutely. I studied it myself when I got the report. You are 100% correct. My research indicated what I mentioned earlier. That does not mean someone else's might not yield a different result. That's the point, Lose the drama (not directing that at you but in general) and DISCUSS IT...  That's what we are her for. We have great resources on this thread with medical backgrounds. If you juxtapose those findings, I could not come up with adult undiagnosed cases. What I saw WAS untreated, which is different. That said, from a personal perspective, I think the genome on this comes from Dad.

JSM, the king tut head thing had me ggggaaaffaawing.

Is that wrong Blink? Sorry if I posted incorrect info. TIA JSM

[mamacrazy30]

Without extensive researching, what I have read, this causes pressure on the brain. Would that not at least cause constant headaches and therefor wouldn't a Dr. have been consulted about that?  Just asking.

good point...it would have also affected her eyesight as well, and she would have probably had ringing ears.

[joesamas mama]

Without extensive researching, what I have read, this causes pressure on the brain. Would that not at least cause constant headaches and therefor wouldn't a Dr. have been consulted about that?  Just asking.

IDK Tupelo, I have a malformation that I never knew about until I had a CT of the head, but it has never made me kill. JMDO JSM

[trimmonthelake]

No drama queen here. I am just giving my opinion for what it is worth. 

 

[joesamas mama]

I don't care if she has the face of a horses ass...she killed her kid, she deserves to die ASAP

And I concure!

As do Josef and I!

[Fanny Mae]

No drama queen here. I am just giving my opinion for what it is worth. 

Fanny I thought it was clear in my post, I was in no way referring to you. Actually I was defending an intelligent discussion of the topic, which is appropriate. Someone saying they have to run to detectives and potentially tesify, and not the first time, is not, imo. If you thought otherwise, please accept my apology, your a poster I deeply respect the contribution of.
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Thank you Blink. And you likewise. It was just a general statement I was making and not directed at you at all. As a matter of fact, Mamacrazy made me do it.   

[Nut44x4]

Steve Martin "King Tut"

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pP7AJiQM2RI

Muffy  I love him, lmaooo

[Fanny Mae]

Without extensive researching, what I have read, this causes pressure on the brain. Would that not at least cause constant headaches and therefor wouldn't a Dr. have been consulted about that?  Just asking.

IDK Tupelo, I have a malformation that I never knew about until I had a CT of the head, but it has never made me kill. JMDO JSM

 

So now we know we know what's wrong with you!!

[mamacrazy30]

What I was referring to was the findings about the skull on Caylee and the premature closing of the cranium bones, and the fact that it was hereditary. No big discrepancy, just some facts to look into. There were some posts earlier today about the abnormality that are easily looked up on the previous thread.

http://docs.google.com/View?id=dhhzksxr_1gd6hrfcc

http://img.medscape.com/fullsize/migrated/405/637/nf0903.03.fig3.jpg

but it were to the point of being a concern, wouldn't it have been recognized after Caylee's birth and while still in the hospital?  even if not, i'm just gonna jump in and say if thats what caused her death, well, whats up with the duct-tape and body dumping?

I dont think that is what Fanny is saying, I think the descepency is that it actually is mostly hereditary. Caylee had never had a radiograph of her skull, so I can tell you that her pediatrition did not pick it up. Klaas and I spent a few hours going over this as well. Many kids have this in a mild fashion and it is never diagnosed or a problem per se.

However, I will go out on a limb to say that the defense may have seen this report in March, just prior to adding Macaluso.
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if its mostly hereditary that could from anywhere in the family...unless the kicker is that it mostly hereditary and nobody in the family had it...maybe it was caused by other means?  maybe casey had been abusing Caylee since she was a baby?  but not knowing the father puts a snag in the thing.

Synostosis would not be a factor of abuse. It is fusion of the skull. If it were abuse, she would have a fracture of the skull.

Also, it says the beginning stages, not complete synostosis. It may or may not have caused problems for Caylee. So, with no Medical Degree, I can't say whether it would cause problems, but since it was at the beginning stages, it would not have been a cause of death of Caylee.

JMO from JSM that shall not use the D or S word ever again.

babies bones are soft..who's to say when casey would get angry she wouldn't squeeze Caylee's head in frustration?  i wouldn't be shocked to think that when casey got angry she would take it out on Caylee but not an a way that would cause questions.  it wouldn't have to be a fracture, just a lot of pressure.

Babies bones are soft so I understand what you are saying and it may have or probably happened, but it wouldn't cause premature fusion of the brain.

now i'm confused.  she was almost 3.  how could she have the beginning stages of premature fusing of the brain?  shouldn't that be happening anyway?

[joesamas mama]

http://www.craniofacial.net/sf/sagittal_synostosis.htm

Affects of Sagittal Synostosis

Sagittal synostosis, also known as sagittal craniosynostosis, is the result of the sagittal suture of on infant's skull hardening before the brain has had a chance to grow. The result is a skull that is elongated so that from the top, it appears oblong in shape. Sagittal synostosis is the most common of all synostosis. It affects between 45 and 55 percent of all children with the deformity. If children born with sagittal craniosynostosis do not have other closed sutures or medical conditions, the condition is typically not fatal. Sagittal synostosis is, however, associated with the following health problems:

    * Sagittal synostosis can increase the blood pressure in the brain.
    * There may be decreased blood flow to certain areas of the brain with sagittal craniosynostosis.
    * Children with sagittal craniosynostosis often have emotional and social difficulties primarily due to reactions to their deformities. Note DUE to their abnormality.
    * There is speculation that sagittal synostosis left untreated could lead to learning disabilities. This has never been proved or disproved.

Please see my above response in red.

From what I just read, KC would have an elongated head. So her head if she had this problem would look like King Tut. KC has a very small head. I don't think KC has this abnormality. JMSO JSM

Now try the neuro sites and medical journals.  There is info out there to support both sides.  There is also stuff in the psychology medical journals that is interesting.
And to me her head is enlongated - thus part of the reason I began my research.  http://www.docstoc.com/docs/1678887/Casey-Anthony-Facebook-Myspace-Photobucket-Photos

Her face is enlongated, but her skull isn't elongated. An enlongated skull would look like King Tut's. I have a very long horse face like KC, but my skull isn't elongated.

Not trying to argue with you ANJ, just looking at both sides. JMSO JSM

I will shut up now.

I've been on the fence myself on this subject not wanting to take so called "sides" but in the pictures that were used as a reference to suggest she had and elongated skull I didn't see anything that would lead me to conclude that same observance.  JSM I agree with you on this matter saying that her "Face" is elongated but not the skull and that's where Im leaving it at.

Haven't seen you in ages. Hope all is well. TIA JSM

[Fanny Mae]

Without extensive researching, what I have read, this causes pressure on the brain. Would that not at least cause constant headaches and therefor wouldn't a Dr. have been consulted about that?  Just asking.

IDK Tupelo, I have a malformation that I never knew about until I had a CT of the head, but it has never made me kill. JMDO JSM

 

So now we know we know what's wrong with you!!

I am kidding.  

[Cappuccino]

Without extensive researching, what I have read, this causes pressure on the brain. Would that not at least cause constant headaches and therefor wouldn't a Dr. have been consulted about that?  Just asking.

IDK Tupelo, I have a malformation that I never knew about until I had a CT of the head, but it has never made me kill. JMDO JSM

Ya know what else is interesting in discussing this topic.   Caylee at 2 3/4 years did not appear to be suffering an usual temper or learning disability.  We've seen the videos, she talked, sang complete songs, interacted with people, told her own version of a book she loved to read/have read to her, count seemingly wiser than her very tender young age.   We saw her dance & get around, physically or medically she exhibited no signs of challenges due to a medical condition.

[joesamas mama]

Without extensive researching, what I have read, this causes pressure on the brain. Would that not at least cause constant headaches and therefor wouldn't a Dr. have been consulted about that?  Just asking.

IDK Tupelo, I have a malformation that I never knew about until I had a CT of the head, but it has never made me kill. JMDO JSM

 

So now we know we know what's wrong with you!!

Yep. It is called Monkey Malformation and having a Horse face. Just Kidding.  I may have to go to my new Blog so I don't get off topic.

[SunnyinTX]

OKAY - LET ME START WITH:  I hate the A's and think Casey is 500% guilty or in other words - she did this................ that said, my question is:
If you found something you felt could help casey avoid the dp and it was something that haunted you from a moral standpoint, would or could you make that call?  Now, don't ask me why I am running this little experiment, PLEASE.  I won't answer! 

Good Evening Monks..old and new!! I was going to try to get completely caught up before responding to anything...however..in response to your experiment.......I would contact the prosecution......not the defense. I trust the prosecution to thoroughly investigate anything that could warrant a change in the DP.  I wouldn't trust the defense to look at anything in an objective and honest manner.....I do trust the prosecution would. They do not take the DP lightly.....there has to be some pretty damning and horrendous evidence for the to bring the DP back.

[trimmonthelake]

No drama queen here. I am just giving my opinion for what it is worth. 

Fanny I thought it was clear in my post, I was in no way referring to you. Actually I was defending an intelligent discussion of the topic, which is appropriate. Someone saying they have to run to detectives and potentially tesify, and not the first time, is not, imo. If you thought otherwise, please accept my apology, your a poster I deeply respect the contribution of.
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Thank you Blink. And you likewise. It was just a general statement I was making and not directed at you at all. As a matter of fact, Mamacrazy made me do it.   

Would you and Blink care for a Daiquiri?
I think Mamacrazy and I will have 2. 
We'll let Nutt drive the Witless News cart and we'll truck on down to Orlaaaawndo and get this stuff took care of once and for all. 

[mamacrazy30]

No drama queen here. I am just giving my opinion for what it is worth. 

Fanny I thought it was clear in my post, I was in no way referring to you. Actually I was defending an intelligent discussion of the topic, which is appropriate. Someone saying they have to run to detectives and potentially tesify, and not the first time, is not, imo. If you thought otherwise, please accept my apology, your a poster I deeply respect the contribution of.
B

Thank you Blink. And you likewise. It was just a general statement I was making and not directed at you at all. As a matter of fact, Mamacrazy made me do it.   

yes, i have that power 
buhahahaha