Caylee Marie Anthony #139 6/21/09 - 6/24/09

[Desdemona]

Oh -- the "hair mass" post... Yes, I realize we've already discussed the "hair mat" pretty thoroughly.  But --- seeing Caylee's pretty hair being referred to as an "Item" -- knowing that "IT" was sent in some kind of packaging, labeled, etc. to be tested -- assigned an evidence number...

               Her hair.... Caylee's hair.  

[Desdemona]

Childproof door knob cover on Caylee's door from the inside.  You can see the hallway in this image.

Excellent work, NorthernRose.  In black and white, it looks even more disturbing IMO.

It is heartbreaking that a 3 year old would be locked in her room. What if she had a bad dream and could not get out to a adult?  She would have been terrified.

I knew of someone who would lock their child in her room, because after the little girl was put to bed, the parents would watch porn and smoke weed.

Or maybe she was locked in there in lieu of being babysat or properly supervised during the day.  I agree that it's possible she could have developed the separation anxiety described by Annie, Amy, and Michelle d/t being locked in her room.

Interesting to note that the A's had not removed the inside childproof lock by the time OCSO showed up in December after Caylee's remains were found.  They either did not consider it abhorrent as we do and were therefore unconcerned about how it would be perceived, or else they didn't want to call attention to this detail by removing it. 

And yet... they completely rearranged and staged everything else in that house and turned it into a Caylee shrine. 

What do you think?

[Northern Rose]

Childproof door knob cover on Caylee's door from the inside.  You can see the hallway in this image.

Excellent work, NorthernRose.  In black and white, it looks even more disturbing IMO.

It is heartbreaking that a 3 year old would be locked in her room. What if she had a bad dream and could not get out to a adult?  She would have been terrified.

I knew of someone who would lock their child in her room, because after the little girl was put to bed, the parents would watch porn and smoke weed.

Or maybe she was locked in there in lieu of being babysat or properly supervised during the day.  I agree that it's possible she could have developed the separation anxiety described by Annie, Amy, and Michelle d/t being locked in her room.

Interesting to note that the A's had not removed the inside childproof lock by the time OCSO showed up in December after Caylee's remains were found.  They either did not consider it abhorrent as we do and were therefore unconcerned about how it would be perceived, or else they didn't want to call attention to this detail by removing it. 

And yet... they completely rearranged and staged everything else in that house and turned it into a Caylee shrine. 

What do you think?

I think it either got missed as it was normal to them to lock Caylee in the room, or they felt that by having childrproof knob covers left on  it showed they were concerned for Caylee's safety.  Who knows with them!

[Northern Rose]

From evidence released here is Amy's interview Calendar.  Interesting on July 15 the numerous notes about car smell, and on July 16 the note about Text - If Tony over find him guess who spends eternity in Jail - Note by detective READ TEXT

[Desdemona]

The creepy video that was discussed earlier -- of Lee's former roomie, Brian Luft having tape wrapped around his face and head as a party prank... It is horrifying under the circumstances... but it was NOT duct tape that was used.  It looked like paper packaging tape.  In fact, at the end of the video, Brian breaks the tape to escape.
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Also, another clarification:

Casey was tattooed by Bobby Lee Williams of Cast Iron Tattoos on July 2. ("Bella Vita" or "Vita Bella")  This tattoo could not have been paid for with Amy's checks!  Amy didn't leave for Puerto Rico until July 8. 

It possibly could have been Amy's missing $400 that Casey used, though.  After returning home from clubbing in the wee early hours of July 4, Casey and Amy exchanged texts about Amy discovering her cash was nowhere to be found.  The texts imply Casey had already told Amy the sleepwalking story.  So the cash was missing no later than July 3.

Casey had two prior tattoos:  The shamrock we've all seen, and cherry blossoms on her lower (right?) abdomen, near the hip bone.

The date that Casey next returned to Cast Iron (according to the guys who work there) was Tuesday, July15.  She stopped in to make an appointment for herself and "a friend" (named?  not named?) for Saturday, July 19. When asked where Caylee was -- the guys had not seen Caylee in "three to six months" -- Casey said she'd be sure to bring her in on Saturday.  Casey was driving Amy's car that day; in fact, she headed to the airport shortly after leaving there, to pick up Amy.  Hours later, Amy would lead Cindy to Casey at Tony's apartment, and ... we all know the rest.

[Northern Rose]

In your face George!  June 16 - George sees them between 10 - 1300.  Look at note with * on last line of calendar - LAST DAY GRANDFATHER SPOKE WITH CAYLEE WAS ON 15th.  This was probably after the visit with Great Grandfather which is also note.

He may have seen a dead Caylee being carried out of the house on the 16th , as he never spoke to her.

[Desdemona]

From evidence released here is Amy's interview Calendar.  Interesting on July 15 the numerous notes about car smell, and on July 16 the note about Text - If Tony over find him guess who spends eternity in Jail - Note by detective READ TEXT

Wow, that's interesting to look at after all this time!  So Amy remembered the 2nd as Cash Disappeared day, and the 3rd as Casey's New Tattoo day..

The notes on July 15 are relating to Amy telling LE about Cindy's commentary in the car that day, on the way to go get Casey at Tony's.  LE were very interested that Cindy discussed with Amy that the car smelled like something died in it, and that they were afraid it might have been Caylee or Casey.  His notes are quoting Cindy, per Amy.

Amy told LE in this interview that Tony had shown her a text from Casey, sent on July 16 before her arrest, saying "if they ever find her, guess who spends eternity in jail."  Yuri's note "Read Text" means (IIRC) that Amy told Yuri she actually read the text message.

As Amy imparted information, Yuri was obviously making note of key information to be followed up.

Wish I could read it better; there are a couple of things I can't make out.  What is the phrase that starts with H...... B..... above July 2?

Thank you for posting this.

[Northern Rose]

From evidence released here is Amy's interview Calendar.  Interesting on July 15 the numerous notes about car smell, and on July 16 the note about Text - If Tony over find him guess who spends eternity in Jail - Note by detective READ TEXT

Wow, that's interesting to look at after all this time!  So Amy remembered the 2nd as Cash Disappeared day, and the 3rd as Casey's New Tattoo day..

The notes on July 15 are relating to Amy telling LE about Cindy's commentary in the car that day, on the way to go get Casey at Tony's.  LE were very interested that Cindy discussed with Amy that the car smelled like something died in it, and that they were afraid it might have been Caylee or Casey.  His notes are quoting Cindy, per Amy.

Amy told LE in this interview that Tony had shown her a text from Casey, sent on July 16 before her arrest, saying "if they ever find her, guess who spends eternity in jail."  Yuri's note "Read Text" means (IIRC) that Amy told Yuri she actually read the text message.

As Amy imparted information, Yuri was obviously making note of key information to be followed up.

Wish I could read it better; there are a couple of things I can't make out.  What is the phrase that starts with H...... B..... above July 2?
Thank you for posting this.

My eyes are failing on seeing what it says. Hali???? B????? SRSO is what I see but it makes no sense.

[Northern Rose]

I am going to try to go to sleep again.  Good nite Desi.

[Desdemona]

In your face George!  June 16 - George sees them between 10 - 1300.  Look at note with * on last line of calendar - LAST DAY GRANDFATHER SPOKE WITH CAYLEE WAS ON 15th.  This was probably after the visit with Great Grandfather which is also note.

He may have seen a dead Caylee being carried out of the house on the 16th , as he never spoke to her.

I saved it and zoomed in >>> that note actually says LAST DAY GRANDMOTHER SPOKE WITH CAYLEE WAS ON 15th.  Last day Cindy spoke with her.

On the 16th, there is a notation that says "George sees 10 to 1300" [10 till 1:00, or 12:50].  This interview may have taken place AFTER the Greta show, where he dropped the bombshell about having seen Casey and Caylee leave on the 16th. 

On the 16th, there is another notation I can't read!   It says "715/720[30?] - [Left? ----?]
Did George say he left?  Wait, I actually recall this!  He told LE he left the house early.  WTH?  And now he's going on TV with the breakfast story?
 
Thank you, NorthernRose, for posting these!  So interesting.

[Desdemona]

I am going to try to go to sleep again.  Good nite Desi.

But wait!

Your eagle eyes made out "SRSO" and when I looked up this acronym, I'm finding high level satellite surveillance!

You can't go to bed NOW!   

I mean, goodnight, NorthernRose, and sleep well.   <sigh>  You'll be missed.  Thanks for posting these interview calendars.

[pink angel]

O/T Haylee Donathan the 4 year old missing from Ohio. (was with mom and the Tier three sex offender who had escaped from the half way house) has been found safe in San Diego!! Mom and the RSO is in jail.

http://www3.signonsandiego.com/stories/2009/jun/23/bn23fugitive-found-sd/

[Desdemona]

Okay, okay.  My super-spy reference didn't entice NorthernRose to stay.  But I enlarged that "SRSO" notation on Amy's interview calendar and found out what it means.

It says      Hulihan's
               Bumby   SR50    ------------>  Amy's place of employment.

So that is an anticlimactic discovery, isn't it.  Much less exciting than a spy satellite.   

But guess what?  This information is still a bit of a gem.  Because guess where Casey told LE one of Caylee's babysitters lived?  She said she used to drop off Caylee at an apartment at Bumby and Robinson.  Right down the street from Houlihan's. Less than a mile.

Of course, it's also close to Lake Underhill, and the home of Kristina Chester... I may be getting a bit carried away here...

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Pink, that is AWESOME news about Haylee!  I thought for sure this was not going to turn out happy.  Thanks for the news!

[Desdemona]

Forgot to post map:

[Desdemona]

Four more things from today's notes, then I must go to bed.

1) A1's duct tape experiment with the gloves and the knife:  That was a good experiment, and the results give us something to consider.  Bravo.

2)  NoRose said: "I don't get this at all, the only thing that makes sense is that they are desperately trying to corral family secrets." Bump.  Heartily.

3)  In the pics from Hoover's cell, I see the Ritz, an empty schoolroom(?), a messy office (likely Dominic Casey's), Leonard Padilla (possibly at DC's office?), and LEE BEING FINGERPRINTED.  Remember Hoover saying in his LE interview that he took pics w/his cell phone while Lee was being fingerprinted at Brad Conway's office?  I had not seen these pics before.  Thanks for posting them.

4)  Someone said that Casey and Cindy both claimed to have last seen Caylee wearing the striped shorts.  I don't think so:

Casey originally said Caylee was wearing a pink shirt, white sneakers, and a jean skirt (or jean shorts?) when she dropped her off with Zenaida on June 9.

George came up with the story that Caylee was wearing a pink shirt, white sneakers, and jean shorts (or a jean skirt?), hair in a ponytail, white sunglasses, backpack, etc. when he claims to have seen her leave with Casey on June 16.

Cindy would not have given a description of Caylee's outfit when she was last seen, since Cindy does not claim to have seen Caylee on June 16.

Don't recall anyone saying she was last seen in striped shorts, but of course ICBW. 

BTW, regarding the white shorts with colored stripes found with Caylee's remains...  These are commonly assumed to be the same striped shorts as worn by Caylee in the video of a short-haired Casey in a green shirt roughhousing with her.  But I am not convinced. I've watched that video over and over and am not seeing colored stripes on a white background.  The shorts look light pink or lavender with stripes, JMO, ICBW.
Link to youtube video:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPUXPEBeapc&feature=related
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Goodnight, anyone reading here at this hour.

God Bless Our Caylee.
 
 

[pharlap]

Four more things from today's notes, then I must go to bed.

1) A1's duct tape experiment with the gloves and the knife:  That was a good experiment, and the results give us something to consider.  Bravo.

2)  NoRose said: "I don't get this at all, the only thing that makes sense is that they are desperately trying to corral family secrets." Bump.  Heartily.

3)  In the pics from Hoover's cell, I see the Ritz, an empty schoolroom(?), a messy office (likely Dominic Casey's), Leonard Padilla (possibly at DC's office?), and LEE BEING FINGERPRINTED.  Remember Hoover saying in his LE interview that he took pics w/his cell phone while Lee was being fingerprinted at Brad Conway's office?  I had not seen these pics before.  Thanks for posting them.

4)  Someone said that Casey and Cindy both claimed to have last seen Caylee wearing the striped shorts.  I don't think so:

Casey originally said Caylee was wearing a pink shirt, white sneakers, and a jean skirt (or jean shorts?) when she dropped her off with Zenaida on June 9.

George came up with the story that Caylee was wearing a pink shirt, white sneakers, and jean shorts (or a jean skirt?), hair in a ponytail, white sunglasses, backpack, etc. when he claims to have seen her leave with Casey on June 16.

Cindy would not have given a description of Caylee's outfit when she was last seen, since Cindy does not claim to have seen Caylee on June 16.

Don't recall anyone saying she was last seen in striped shorts, but of course ICBW. 

BTW, regarding the white shorts with colored stripes found with Caylee's remains...  These are commonly assumed to be the same striped shorts as worn by Caylee in the video of a short-haired Casey in a green shirt roughhousing with her.  But I am not convinced. I've watched that video over and over and am not seeing colored stripes on a white background.  The shorts look light pink or lavender with stripes, JMO, ICBW.
Link to youtube video:  http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZPUXPEBeapc&feature=related
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Goodnight, anyone reading here at this hour.

God Bless Our Caylee.
 
 

In that last video Caylee's hair is in a ponytail.
The duct tape was affixed to the her hair from both sides of her mouth, right?
Wonder if she was fighting kc.......pout what a monster of a mother...........-(

[cherjers]

As a general observation, I just want to throw out there, that regardless of how this happened, her "attempt" at covering it up, and dumping her child leaves her without any options. I spent a few hours yesterday mapping out a 3D interactive on the crime scene and within the first few minutes, I can tell you a jury will convict her on the dumpsite, and what happened to this baby when she was dumped there, alone. I know it is really hard to visualize, but the visual impact of bone dispursement,decomposition and especially the level of animal activity and the timing of same will leave them lighting torches and heading up the mountain, and seriously peeved at Baez antics. I apologize for repeating myself, but he and her parents are sealing this girls death warrant; which I am fine with. Couldn't happen to a nicer girl.  

   GOOD MORINING MONKEYS  It warms by heart knowing Baez is KC life line.  He is just what she deserves

[crazybabyborg]

Good Morning Monkey Sleuths!!   

You all have been busy!!

Off to catch up!

[cherjers]

No Rose. I feel the same way as you about the fingerprints. While I agree with the monkeys who say she'll probably/likely be convicted without them, I believe having her prints on the tape will make a huge difference. Atleast as far as I'm concerned, I'd feel a whole lot better if they had them. Unfortunately I'm worried KC knew to use gloves so as not to get her prints on the tape. My thoughts is after she killed Caylee in her rage, she snapped out of it when Caylee was dead and regrouped herself with what to do next. All just major guesses on my part, but this is what I feel happened. Hope I'm wrong about her using gloves though!! JMO's

  KC will go down dont need prints-dont need time of death-dont need motive-dont need to know if it was an acciedent- all we need is KC and her own words- her actions- the pictures of her in bars-not one thought about Caylee-31 days no remorse-all they have to do is play all the tapes of her----rest their case-its a done deal

[QuietMonkey]

Good Morning Monkeys!  I probably shouldn't bother to start posting, but I'm wondering something. I'm sure this has been discussed many times, but was there ever mention of Caylees shoes/sneakers being found at the crime scene? I don't ever remember reading anything about shoes, just the clothes/blanket they found. I just think if they found no shoes that leads me to believe she was probably most likely killed at the A's home? I'm really thinking she may have been killed in the bedroom the night of the 15th fight, and was carried out the next morning by KC (maybe that's when GA saw them both "leave together"?). Maybe KC had Caylees face/head covered with the pooh blanket?? Not saying it isn't possible she was killed elsewhere, but just really thinking here. It's definite she wasn't in pj's or in her bathing suit. I'm just thinking the fight between KC & CA was before Caylees bedtime, atleast she wasn't ready for bed yet. Maybe KC took Caylee to the bedroom after the fight and she could have suffocated her there? I don't know, I could also picture her scooping up Caylee who didn't have her shoes on at the time and leaving very angry. It's just if she did leave with Caylee, where did they go (LA's house?) and at what point did Caylee end up dead? My belief is she was killed sometime the night of the 15th of June.

Anyways, just doing some speculating here. Who knows really?? I'm sure LE is doing or has done all this speculating already, plus I'm sure they have to know alot more than we do?? 

  Happy Breakfast!